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He should get one, but I think Flashwing will.

Dino Rang has a small fanbase and Flashwing has a big fanbase.

Cause flashwing is always sitting on the shelves in most areas

...and he had no good sales

^ In the days of SSA, Drobot, Chop Chop, Prism Break, and others were everywhere and they all got reposes.

Besides not only is Flashwong everywhere but a lot of people like her. Whe no one likes Chop Chop or Eruptor or Lightning Rod or others.

NINJa'd

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^ In the days of SSA, Drobot, Chop Chop, Prism Break, and others were everywhere and they all got reposes.

Besides not only is Flashwong everywhere but a lot of people like her. Whe no one likes Chop Chop or Eruptor or Lightning Rod or others.

*Sniff* I like Lightning Rod.

Also, how do you know Flash Wing is popular? Because everyone else says she sold poorly.

^ The thing is Activision overstocks Flashwing, even though everyone has her.

is gonna get a repose, if they do things right with the reposes.

I think it's fair game between the two of them.

It's a fair game indeed. I would love to get a S2 version of either one, but I have both of their S1's.....(I find it dumb to get S2 skylanders that I already have a S1 of....)

I like chop chop >.>

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^ In the days of SSA, Drobot, Chop Chop, Prism Break, and others were everywhere and they all got reposes.

Besides not only is Flashwong everywhere but a lot of people like her. Whe no one likes Chop Chop or Eruptor or Lightning Rod or others.

People like Lightning Rod and Chop Chop.
I guess that's your opinion.

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^ In the days of SSA, Drobot, Chop Chop, Prism Break, and others were everywhere and they all got reposes.

Besides not only is Flashwong everywhere but a lot of people like her. Whe no one likes Chop Chop or Eruptor or Lightning Rod or others.

People like Lightning Rod and Chop Chop.
I guess that's your opinion.

ClayFace likes them, he's just pointing out that they're not popular.

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^ In the days of SSA, Drobot, Chop Chop, Prism Break, and others were everywhere and they all got reposes.

Besides not only is Flashwong everywhere but a lot of people like her. Whe no one likes Chop Chop or Eruptor or Lightning Rod or others.

People like Lightning Rod and Chop Chop.
I guess that's your opinion.

ClayFace likes them, he's just pointing out that they're not popular.

Ah.

Chop Chop is popular.. More so than L-Rod.

If Flashwing does get picked to be a S2 figure, then perhaps she'll also have a LightCore version as well. Maybe as a LC figure, the crystals of her wings, paws, and tail will light up. She'll be even more beautiful and cooler than LC Prism Break.

See this is when I wish that they didn't have a Light Core and a Normal of some characters. Then I would say give Dinorang an S2 and Flashwing a Light Core.

FYI, it's just that Dinorang would be a S2...

Also, Flashwing is a Skylander at doesn't work with many people, but I figured out how to use her very well. Now many people liked Dino Rang but I don't so really I think that there equal. But e only ing left to find out is what's the Light Core going to be? I'm hoping for with the Earth element is
S3 Terrafin
S2 Dinorang
LC Flashwing

Now your probably thinking, "Ninja but I thought you said y didn't like Dinorang." We'll I don't and that's why I think he needs to come back, to get a wow pow so I will like him.

As long as I get my goddang Boomer instead of ANOTHER Trigger Happy, I'm good.

*Crais dude to realization of what will really happen*

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Ugh, Flashwing is the worst Skylander.. I think either Dino Rang or Prism Break should get S3.
*Inb4 "OH, NO THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. THERE'RE GOING TO BE 8 S2 AND 8 S3 EVEN THOUGH THIS WASN'T CONFIRMED ANYWHERE. EVER."

Prism Break won't be in Skylanders 3 because only one S3 and one S2 are going to be in it.

(Yes, I read the part where it says it's not confirmed, but I refuse to believe it hasn't, cause it has too.)

Because he is

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^ In the days of SSA, Drobot, Chop Chop, Prism Break, and others were everywhere and they all got reposes.

Besides not only is Flashwong everywhere but a lot of people like her. Whe no one likes Chop Chop or Eruptor or Lightning Rod or others.

I'd say Chop Chop is quite popular. He is actually my favorite.

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As long as I get my goddang Boomer instead of ANOTHER Trigger Happy, I'm good.

*Crais dude to realization of what will really happen*

I'd like to see Boomer too, but I doubt it will happen. Not now, not later, not ever.

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Ugh, Flashwing is the worst Skylander.. I think either Dino Rang or Prism Break should get S3.
*Inb4 "OH, NO THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. THERE'RE GOING TO BE 8 S2 AND 8 S3 EVEN THOUGH THIS WASN'T CONFIRMED ANYWHERE. EVER."

Prism Break won't be in Skylanders 3 because only one S3 and one S2 are going to be in it.

(Yes, I read the part where it says it's not confirmed, but I refuse to believe it hasn't, cause it has too.)

Ok, now show me the proof!
Put your citations where your mouth is!

Folk who are fans of Dinorang, Boomer and so forth can try importing them from Japan soon - there is a pic in the other forum showing the Japanese box for Whamshell.

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Folk who are fans of Dinorang, Boomer and so forth can try importing them from Japan soon - there is a pic in the other forum showing the Japanese box for Whamshell.

But then wouldn't shipping cost more?

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Ok, now show me the proof!
Put your citations where your mouth is!

I cannot be arsed to dig around for that site. But there's no good reason they wouldn't do it this way. As well, I hate how people are acting like NONE of the forgotten 8 are going to appear in Swap Force, because it would make sense for them to do it instead of just selling popular characters. Bring back hard to get characters: More people buy: Profit. Only bring back popular characters: People won't be arsed to buy the character again: Not Profit.

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Ok, now show me the proof!
Put your citations where your mouth is!

I cannot be arsed to dig around for that site. But there's no good reason they wouldn't do it this way. As well, I hate how people are acting like NONE of the forgotten 8 are going to appear in Swap Force, because it would make sense for them to do it instead of just selling popular characters. Bring back hard to get characters: More people buy: Profit. Only bring back popular characters: People won't be arsed to buy the character again: Not Profit.

Yeah, actually you can. There was mention of Series 2 characters and Series 3 characters and that there would be a total of 16 "returning favorites," but nothing documented anywhere that said 8 Series 2 and 8 Series 3. If it was so well documented and official, it would be simple for anyone to find and not at all a hassle for you to serve up the evidence.

As for why they bring back popular characters all the time? Because lots of people haven't even gotten involved with the franchise yet, or got involved late. Look at all of those who didn't get into Skylanders until Giants who have gone on and on about how difficult the early release (and discontinued) SSA characters are to find, how expensive they are, etc. If the characters that the majority of players want most (determined by sales figures, it would seem) are brought back, people that are new to the series will be able to get those characters that they've seen without having to worry about tracking down old stock from an earlier, discontinued game.

Everyone seems to forget that Skylanders was a game about integrating toys with video games. It was a game for kids. Yes, adults got interested and involved. Yes, people began collecting them. Are there chase variants to cater to the collectors that cropped up? Yes. Are the games and characters designed to cater to the collectors? Nope. Your plan on how things should be is exactly that--catering to collectors and, to a lesser degree, late adopters. Want the discontinued characters? Buy them before they get discontinued.

If the majority of players had wanted or bought the discontinued 8, they would have purchased them while they were available. Remaking them would produce a few more sales than happened originally, a few through new players who wanted the opportunity to play with the older characters, more through opportunistic scalpers who want to take advantage of the available stock and the purported "rarity" of those characters (even though they were just re-released), the rest through players who are also collectors and have to have a full set. But, chances are very high that most if not all of those characters would do poorly all over again. From a business standpoint, definitely not worth the risk. There may be a token discontinued character or two thrown into Swap Force for nostalgia, to cater to or mollify the collector market, but it's definitely a mistake to bring them all back any way you look at it except from a perspective of greed or entitlement.

-Doug

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Ok, now show me the proof!
Put your citations where your mouth is!

I cannot be arsed to dig around for that site. But there's no good reason they wouldn't do it this way. As well, I hate how people are acting like NONE of the forgotten 8 are going to appear in Swap Force, because it would make sense for them to do it instead of just selling popular characters. Bring back hard to get characters: More people buy: Profit. Only bring back popular characters: People won't be arsed to buy the character again: Not Profit.

I think the site was darkspyro.net because I remember someone going around saying that

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^ In the days of SSA, Drobot, Chop Chop, Prism Break, and others were everywhere and they all got reposes.

Besides not only is Flashwong everywhere but a lot of people like her. Whe no one likes Chop Chop or Eruptor or Lightning Rod or others.

*Sniff* I like Lightning Rod.

Also, how do you know Flash Wing is popular? Because everyone else says she sold poorly.

Me 2 ;(

Flashwing was the worst selling Newlander. People hate her.

I really like Eruptor!!!!!!

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Flashwing was the worst selling Newlander. People hate her.

and how about jade flashwing?

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Ok, now show me the proof!
Put your citations where your mouth is!

I cannot be arsed to dig around for that site. But there's no good reason they wouldn't do it this way. As well, I hate how people are acting like NONE of the forgotten 8 are going to appear in Swap Force, because it would make sense for them to do it instead of just selling popular characters. Bring back hard to get characters: More people buy: Profit. Only bring back popular characters: People won't be arsed to buy the character again: Not Profit.

Yeah, actually you can. There was mention of Series 2 characters and Series 3 characters and that there would be a total of 16 "returning favorites," but nothing documented anywhere that said 8 Series 2 and 8 Series 3. If it was so well documented and official, it would be simple for anyone to find and not at all a hassle for you to serve up the evidence.

As for why they bring back popular characters all the time? Because lots of people haven't even gotten involved with the franchise yet, or got involved late. Look at all of those who didn't get into Skylanders until Giants who have gone on and on about how difficult the early release (and discontinued) SSA characters are to find, how expensive they are, etc. If the characters that the majority of players want most (determined by sales figures, it would seem) are brought back, people that are new to the series will be able to get those characters that they've seen without having to worry about tracking down old stock from an earlier, discontinued game.

Everyone seems to forget that Skylanders was a game about integrating toys with video games. It was a game for kids. Yes, adults got interested and involved. Yes, people began collecting them. Are there chase variants to cater to the collectors that cropped up? Yes. Are the games and characters designed to cater to the collectors? Nope. Your plan on how things should be is exactly that--catering to collectors and, to a lesser degree, late adopters. Want the discontinued characters? Buy them before they get discontinued.

If the majority of players had wanted or bought the discontinued 8, they would have purchased them while they were available. Remaking them would produce a few more sales than happened originally, a few through new players who wanted the opportunity to play with the older characters, more through opportunistic scalpers who want to take advantage of the available stock and the purported "rarity" of those characters (even though they were just re-released), the rest through players who are also collectors and have to have a full set. But, chances are very high that most if not all of those characters would do poorly all over again. From a business standpoint, definitely not worth the risk. There may be a token discontinued character or two thrown into Swap Force for nostalgia, to cater to or mollify the collector market, but it's definitely a mistake to bring them all back any way you look at it except from a perspective of greed or entitlement.

-Doug

Bull! What exactly do S2 figures give you that S1 figures don't? Not much. Just a new power and a few paths exclusive to S2 figures. Plus, collectors are the ones that want one of every FIGURE, not character. Casual players, which most players are, only desire a single version of the characters they want, and reselling the harder to get characters would be preferable. Plus, as far as I know, a few of the forgotten 8, like Wham Shell, Sunburn, and Ghost Roaster, sold poorly because they were released late in the games cycle. Dino-Rang, Camo, and Warnado sold well, just not AS well as the other characters. But Boomer and Voodood? They are the exception. Both of them just weren't popular, so they sold poorly. ...Shame, cause I really like those two.

Of coarse, every single argument about the characters in Swap Force is under the assumption that old characters will work with this game.

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Bull! What exactly do S2 figures give you that S1 figures don't? Not much. Just a new power and a few paths exclusive to S2 figures. Plus, collectors are the ones that want one of every FIGURE, not character. Casual players, which most players are, only desire a single version of the characters they want, and reselling the harder to get characters would be preferable. Plus, as far as I know, a few of the forgotten 8, like Wham Shell, Sunburn, and Ghost Roaster, sold poorly because they were released late in the games cycle. Dino-Rang, Camo, and Warnado sold well, just not AS well as the other characters. But Boomer and Voodood? They are the exception. Both of them just weren't popular, so they sold poorly. ...Shame, cause I really like those two.

So, what exactly are you saying bull to? I said a lot, the least you could do would be to specifically address whichever point you're immediately declaring wrong.

Camo, Warnado, Wham Shell and Sunburn may have sold poorly due to coming out late, but Ghost Roaster most certainly did not. A friend got SSA at launch and got me into it at the end of November of that year. Ghost Roaster and Darklight Crypt were everywhere at that point, making Terrafin and Pirate Seas actually difficult to find. Ghost Roaster may have appeared to be a "late arrival" due to the amount of stock sitting on the shelf, but that's because he sold so poorly, not because of a late launch.

Camo and Warnado seemed to sell well upon their initial launch, but I still see them as singles and in their 3 pack every time I go to my local Toys R Us. As my area is just as scalper ridden as anywhere else, if they were worth anything, they'd be off the shelf and on eBay whenever they showed up. You can try to blame their late launch for their poor sales, but the stock has continued to not move whereas Wham Shell and Sunburn are still difficult to find (Wham Shell much moreso than Sunburn).

As for the collectors versus casual players (kids, etc.) debate, every kid that I know that plays Skylanders wants one of every figure as well, but I would hardly put them into the collector market. The only people that I know who didn't go for the Series 2 reposes were some parents who didn't want to spend more money on the same characters, not the kids who actually play the game and with the figures. The game isn't geared toward collectors and, in my opinion, shouldn't be. There are far too many games (CCGs, miniatures, etc.) that I've seen completely ruined by the focus going from gameplay and fun to serving the desires of a group of mostly adult collectors. You seem to be almost purely a collector, so you're going to argue the collector viewpoint--I accept that. I want a full collection as well, but I still have fun playing the games, displaying my figures, etc. While finding a chase or other hard to find figure would be nice, it's not going to break my soul if it doesn't happen and I'm not going to yell and scream about how unfair it is that some figures are harder to get than others.

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Of coarse, every single argument about the characters in Swap Force is under the assumption that old characters will work with this game.

Read my response to you in the Camo thread and watch this video, starting specifically at 2:36. All SSA and Giants figures will work in Swap Force. It's not an assumption, it's a fact based on the presentation given by Activision/Vicarious Vision at E3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VRgfc_lR1w

-Doug

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Flashwing was the worst selling Newlander. People hate her.

Hey, she may have been the worst seller, but that's just because they made so many of her, thinking that she would sell, anyway, I think she is a really fun character to play as.

Well, if I'm correct didn't Flashwing USED to be popular?

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Well, if I'm correct didn't Flashwing USED to be popular?

Yes, yes she did.

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As for the collectors versus casual players (kids, etc.) debate, every kid that I know that plays Skylanders wants one of every figure as well, but I would hardly put them into the collector market. The only people that I know who didn't go for the Series 2 reposes were some parents who didn't want to spend more money on the same characters, not the kids who actually play the game and with the figures. The game isn't geared toward collectors and, in my opinion, shouldn't be. There are far too many games (CCGs, miniatures, etc.) that I've seen completely ruined by the focus going from gameplay and fun to serving the desires of a group of mostly adult collectors. You seem to be almost purely a collector, so you're going to argue the collector viewpoint--I accept that. I want a full collection as well, but I still have fun playing the games, displaying my figures, etc. While finding a chase or other hard to find figure would be nice, it's not going to break my soul if it doesn't happen and I'm not going to yell and scream about how unfair it is that some figures are harder to get than others.

Where the @$%& did I say I was a collector? Never once did I say that. A person who wants EVERY figure is a collector. A person who only wants one of every character is a player. They buy the figures not to say they have them, but to play as them and feel what they are like. And again, not everyone wants to buy a character again, especially not a third time. Most people would rather have the harder to find characters to be less hard to find.

Guys, stop, is it wrong it want older characters?

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Where the @$%& did I say I was a collector? Never once did I say that. A person who wants EVERY figure is a collector. A person who only wants one of every character is a player. They buy the figures not to say they have them, but to play as them and feel what they are like. And again, not everyone wants to buy a character again, especially not a third time. Most people would rather have the harder to find characters to be less hard to find.

You didn't directly, but as hard as you're driving to have Activision/TFB/VV/whoever re-pose the forgotten 8 points in that direction in my eyes. The vast majority of casual players want the characters that they like, think are cool, etc. When you get to the point where you have to have them all (be it a single version of every character or one of every figure put out), you're a collector. Are there many casual players that are collectors? Yep, I'm definitely one. Would I prefer to see 56 totally brand new characters in Swap Force versus ~32-40? Yes, but I'm also going to enjoy seeing the new versions of existing characters.

Having a couple of those returning favorites be some of the forgotten 8 would be a nice tip of the hat to fans who got in late, but putting all 8 back out wouldn't make any business sense since those were the lowest performers during their first time around and, in my eyes, drives more toward the collector market. Like I said earlier, buy the figures you want before they're hard/impossible to find and accept that you're going to have to either get lucky or pay a premium for previously released characters that are now retired. Just wait for the wailing that will begin when some people get started with the franchise with Swap Force and caterwaul about how unfair it is that they can't get any giants.

Finally, if you're arguing that a good portion ("not everyone") of fans don't want to buy the same figures again, then why re-pose the forgotten 8? Creating Series 2 versions of those figures isn't any different from creating Series 2 versions of any of the characters that already got that treatment. The reasoning of "they should do it because a non-majority of the fanbase didn't buy those characters and won't pay current value" is just selfish and doesn't serve to improve or push the franchise forward. The forgotten 8 weren't hard to find when they were still in production (not even Wham Shell, he was available at multiple online outlets multiple times for a few months and is still available at many TRUs in the $25 castle bundle, below many scalper prices and equal to most), they just didn't sell well enough to warrant continued/further production runs and re-poses when the new game came about. Some of that could have been due to late release, but a lot of it (especially in Boomer's case) came from player apathy and dislike for those characters.

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Guys, stop, is it wrong it want older characters?

No, but it just doesn't make any business sense for Swap Force to reintroduce 8 (from a business standpoint) essentially failed characters versus putting out brand new ones and reposes of guaranteed sellers. If you get into a line of merchandise/toys/whatever after a particular series has been retired, you don't have any real right to expect that the producer will reissue/repose/whatever the poorest selling parts of that series just because you missed out or complain when they don't. Thanks to modern technology, there's still plenty of access to those older, retired pieces--via eBay, Amazon, etc. Will you have to pay a premium compared to the original shelf price? More than likely, but that's the price of getting in on it late.

I'm not completely unsympathetic to those who got in late and who want a complete collection of characters, really think some of the forgotten 8 are awesome, etc., but I also don't think that the franchise should have to backtrack for that group either.

-Doug

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Why do you have to chew our ears off with a page worth of false information? I AM NOT A COLLECTOR! For starters, I don't even want ALL characters, just a few of my favorites. Truth be told, some of them happen to be forgotten 8 characters. And I only buy figures when I can. I don't go out searching for them like collectors would. It's common sense that people are going to want different figures. I don't care HOW popular a character is, NO ONE, NOT EVEN CHILDREN, ARE GOING TO WANT THE SAME STUPID CHARACTER OVER AND OVER!

Also, I didn't say I wanted all 8 back, but I'd at LEAST like to see Ghost Roaster or Dino-Rang come back.

You just pulled that argument out of a hat, didn't you? It's actually quite different, as since they sold less, less already had them, which means they would arguably sell better because there is often more demand for those things. This is actually a strategy often used in marketing and works more often than you think. Not saying Boomer or Voodood, but some of the ones that sold poorly to being late. And honestly, I think you are being the selfish one.

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TL/RBDOB (Read but died of boredom)

Haha. Cute. :-D

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Why do you have to chew our ears off with a page worth of false information? I AM NOT A COLLECTOR! For starters, I don't even want ALL characters, just a few of my favorites. Truth be told, some of them happen to be forgotten 8 characters. And I only buy figures when I can. I don't go out searching for them like collectors would. It's common sense that people are going to want different figures. I don't care HOW popular a character is, NO ONE, NOT EVEN CHILDREN, ARE GOING TO WANT THE SAME STUPID CHARACTER OVER AND OVER!

What false information? I said that in my eyes/opinion, based on your statements, you are (come across as) a collector. So...I'm not entitled to an opinion, or it's not my opinion I'm stating...?

I only buy figures when I can too. I'm more fortunate than some in that I have enough disposable income set aside that I can just go get the figures as they come out and not have to worry about chasing after them forever and ever. Some are harder to come by than others (missed Lightcore Chill the first couple of times she was up on Amazon, never saw one in a store), but I've found that while "the hunt" can be fun, it's less stressful and more satisfying to just buy everything that I want ASAP and not have to worry about it.

As for no one wanting the same character over and over again? That's new business you're talking about there, kids/adults/whoever who were lured into the franchise with images of older, popular characters and want to play those characters. When Swap Force comes out, at a certain point there won't be any more Giants figures to be had at retail, so newcomers will have to either pony up the money to eBay/Amazon/whatever or buy the new version. Guess which way is easier and many (most?) people will go?

And as for kids not buying the same characters over and over again? You really didn't play with a lot of toys growing up, did you? An anecdote from my childhood: In the 80s, with the original 3.75" GI Joe line, Snake Eyes and Cobra Commander were both immensely popular characters. So popular, in fact, that over the course of 4-8 years (~1982-1990) there were three different versions of both characters put out (and many, many more since). There were several other characters that saw alternate versions during that time, but those two stand out in my mind because I had to have each version as it came out. Not because I was collecting (my "collection" consisted of maybe 15 figures out of a much larger toy line) but because I loved those characters. Guess what's happening with Skylanders? Activision is cashing in on that same, exact behavior in current kids/adults/etc.

Just because you (an outspoken minority in the overall Skylanders fandom) don't want multiple versions of the same figure doesn't mean they shouldn't do it and doesn't mean that it doesn't make money. Series 2 figures obviously did, hence the introduction of Series 3 characters in Swap Force.

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Also, I didn't say I wanted all 8 back, but I'd at LEAST like to see Ghost Roaster or Dino-Rang come back.

Not directly, but you've stressed how important it should be to "Bring back hard to get characters". (post #27) I apologize if I overinterpreted on that point. Bringing back any of the forgotten 8 is going to be a double edged sword. If they bring back a couple of characters and are careful about production numbers, scalpers and collectors (guilty) will jump in and buy up all of the stock, leaving quite a few out in the cold again and artificially driving up the value of those figures as well as keeping existing stock of the original versions of those characters high. Bring back too many characters or produce too much stock of those characters you bring back and you're in the same boat you were with the original forgotten 8--unsold stock that nobody wants (after a fashion, there are only going to be so many people that will or will want to buy those characters). If that happens, you not only endanger the idea of bringing back old characters (forgotten or not) but potentially the whole franchise. All things Skylanders tanking because of too much overstock of S2 Ghost Roaster is unlikely, but still a possibility.

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You just pulled that argument out of a hat, didn't you? It's actually quite different, as since they sold less, less already had them, which means they would arguably sell better because there is often more demand for those things. This is actually a strategy often used in marketing and works more often than you think. Not saying Boomer or Voodood, but some of the ones that sold poorly to being late. And honestly, I think you are being the selfish one.

...what? Characters who historically sold poorly would likely have a small jump when released again (due to those who "didn't board the train at the station" jumping on and scalpers/collectors), would likely sell poorly (overall) again. It's simple probability. What world do you live in where that's so unlikely that I have to pull it out of a hat? Do you honestly think New Coke would be enormously popular if we brought it back? And seriously, "[n]ot saying Boomer or Voodood"? So, the guys you don't like would totally tank, but not the guys you personally like? Ok, sure, that's a sound bit of reasoning.

Also, you keep arguing about not re-releasing the same figures but stating how they should re-release the "hard to get" figures. Which is it? Should they not put out guys a second/third/etc., time, or only re-release the guys you missed? Imagine how you'd feel if Activision took to your way of thinking and flooded the market with S2 Boomer or S2 Voodood. There'd be somebody who'd be happy about that, but not most.

And, I'm game. How am I being selfish? Give it to me straight, doc, I can take it.

-Doug

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TL/DOBA (Died of boredom again)

Please, for the love of Pete, shorten your posts. Not many people enjoy reading stressful walls of text.

Again, I'm not a collector. And frankly, you have no real idea who I am.

Oh right, cause NO ONE gets sick of certain characters, amirite? A character can only stay popular for so long. GI Joe and Transformers had what it took to stand the test of time. I highly doubt Stealth Elf or Eruptor will last that long, cause people are sick of them already. And no, not just adult players.

Again, marketing strategy. Bringing back hard to get characters that ALSO happened to be characters who were popular, would in general bring more money, as these kind of characters generally sell better when given a break. What you're basically saying is that NONE of them should EVER get a shot at coming back, so we have to stick with the same boring characters over and over.

Also, you are just looking for EVERY ****ING REASON YOU CAN as to why the hard to get characters should never be made more available cause "they suck and sold so poorly they're not worth a second chance." Also, I said "Not Boomer or Voodood" because they sold poorly WITHOUT being sold late, not cause I do or don't like them.

They should release SOME of the forgotten 8, not all, because it would be a nice tip of the hat to players who liked the characters and missed them in Giants. That INCLUDES KIDS!

How the *#%& are you NOT being selfish? In all seriousness, you are pulling every reason you can out of your hat to make sure they NEVER bring back any of those characters so that the market CONTINUES to over-saturate with tired characters people are losing interest in. Like I said, characters like Stealth Elf and Eruptor are losing popularity fast due to too much production. It's not a matter of liking them or not.

Please stop trying to slander a good marketing strategy while supporting a bad one. It's really starting to tick me off and I'm really losing patience with your stupid excuses.

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How the *#%& are you NOT being selfish?

He is not really pulling the argument into his favor like you are. Just saying, don't get mad.

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How the *#%& are you NOT being selfish?

He is not really pulling the argument into his favor like you are. Just saying, don't get mad.

I'm sorry, it's just that sometimes him and Tel seem kind of egotistic with some of there advice, and that kind of gets me going, which is part of the reason of the outbursts I've made. No hard feelings, and I know it's kind of pathetic.

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TL/DOBA (Died of boredom again)

lol, seriously, this cracks me up.

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Please, for the love of Pete, shorten your posts. Not many people enjoy reading stressful walls of text.

Sorry, I'm just enjoying the conversation/debate and providing a well thought out response. If you don't care for my responses, don't respond.

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Again, I'm not a collector. And frankly, you have no real idea who I am.

That knife cuts both ways--you also have no real idea who I am. We're both forced to make assumptions based on the information and evidence available to us. Can that lead to an incorrect assumption? Definitely. Is it necessarily an ill-informed one? Nope, it's just up to us to interpret the things we see as we can and learn from/work with the outcome.

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Oh right, cause NO ONE gets sick of certain characters, amirite? A character can only stay popular for so long. GI Joe and Transformers had what it took to stand the test of time. I highly doubt Stealth Elf or Eruptor will last that long, cause people are sick of them already. And no, not just adult players.

If you're willing to admit that 80s toy franchises' characters had the mettle to stand the test of time, why is it so inconceivable that a relatively brand new franchise, ie: Skylanders, won't fare the same? People were sick of Mickey Mouse in the 30s and the 40s and the 50s and so on and so forth. And yet there he is, head mascot for Disney and their empire. It boggles my mind when little kids get asked who their favorite Skylanders are and Stealth Elf is nearly always in or at the top of those lists. She's not my favorite, I don't much care for her, but I can't deny her popularity and marketability. Why are you?

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Again, marketing strategy. Bringing back hard to get characters that ALSO happened to be characters who were popular, would in general bring more money, as these kind of characters generally sell better when given a break. What you're basically saying is that NONE of them should EVER get a shot at coming back, so we have to stick with the same boring characters over and over.

I'm not saying at all that I believe that none of them should ever get a shot at coming back. From a personal standpoint, I'd love to see any and all of the forgotten 8 come back in addition to any other previously released characters, be they regular Skylanders, Giants or Sidekicks. However, based on Activision's declared and visible strategies, policies, etc., I just don't see that making good business sense. Please don't confuse what I'm pointing out as being logical and most likely as being my personal preference.

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Also, you are just looking for EVERY ****ING REASON YOU CAN as to why the hard to get characters should never be made more available cause "they suck and sold so poorly they're not worth a second chance." Also, I said "Not Boomer or Voodood" because they sold poorly WITHOUT being sold late, not cause I do or don't like them.

They should release SOME of the forgotten 8, not all, because it would be a nice tip of the hat to players who liked the characters and missed them in Giants. That INCLUDES KIDS!

Nope, not hardly. I keep stating the same reason(s). They sold poorly, some still sell very poorly, and it would make bad business sense to just bring them all back. You argue that a couple should be brought back and would make terrific business sense. How do you decide which two? While you state not Boomer or Voodood (for whatever reasons), there are many people on this forum alone who would cry foul at that and would come up with tons of reasons why Boomer should be brought back. Why is that same level of love not felt for Voodood? Probably because he still sells poorly and is still easily available at retail.

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How the *#%& are you NOT being selfish? In all seriousness, you are pulling every reason you can out of your hat to make sure they NEVER bring back any of those characters so that the market CONTINUES to over-saturate with tired characters people are losing interest in. Like I said, characters like Stealth Elf and Eruptor are losing popularity fast due to too much production. It's not a matter of liking them or not.

...that's not an actual answer and doesn't make any sense. If I had a personal stake in this, if I was somehow guaranteed an entire case of Employee Prism Breaks if my posts regarding the viability of the strategy of "let's bring back some/all of these 8 dudes because they're now hard to get" specifically got Activision to absolutely guarantee that they'd never come back out, sure, yeah, I'd buy it, I'd be totally selfish. I don't have any personal stake in this and have said, multiple times now, that I'd personally be cool with all 8 coming back out or with no more reposes at all. Unless you somehow believe that I'm some sort of undercover Activision/TFB/VV agent (which I'm now publicly declaring that I'm not, lol), I can't and won't have any impact on whether these characters are re-released or not. If my opinion is the sole deciding factor in that decision by Activision, then they've either got some serious management problems or I need to run out and play the lottery, as I'm suddenly more incredibly important to the universe than I ever imagined.

As for your claim that Stealth Elf, Eruptor, etc., are losing popularity fast...where's your evidence? Based on another conversation we've been having, that smacks of know-it-all to me. ;-D I'm baffled as to why those characters are as popular as they are too, but I can't deny their staying power.

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Please stop trying to slander a good marketing strategy while supporting a bad one. It's really starting to tick me off and I'm really losing patience with your stupid excuses.

Both strategies have their merits. I could tell you the same thing about what you're saying about Activision's stated/chosen strategy. We'll just have to agree to disagree regarding each strategy's viability no matter how we personally feel about them. Don't blame me for my "stupid excuses," blame Activision--they obviously took those ideas to heart before we ever began this discussion.

-Doug

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I'm sorry, it's just that sometimes him and Tel seem kind of egotistic with some of there advice, and that kind of gets me going, which is part of the reason of the outbursts I've made. No hard feelings, and I know it's kind of pathetic.

It's called confidence, not egotism. I don't throw my wholehearted support behind any idea that I don't believe will prevail. In the case of Activision's stated strategies toward the forgotten 8, I don't personally agree with them (I'd LOVE a Series 2 Ghost Roaster) but can't fault their logic nor their execution. Sometimes reality just isn't what we want it to be.

-Doug

Hmmmmmmm...

I could see them doing a ghost roaster, since the only way to get him before was in an adventure pack.

If it were up to me though... Id produce small numbers of existing poses and packaging for the new comers, and not recycle characters for new games.

Weve got every single figure that is out except for the chase figures, and while I buy them for my son, i cant stand that there are 3 of the same character to complete the collection. Heck I think 1 or 2 might even have 4 versions right now with varient, legendary and lightcores.

All that being said... I do want a new GillGrunt. And he deserves a legendary status.

Id be happy if they retired 8 and only brought them back as legendarys