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Apparently, a whole lot of fans have quickly judged the upcoming game and deemed it as an upcoming failure, when they only saw screenshots and demos of the game that is still working in progress.

They also haven't even played the game themselves to completely judge it. Some fans have reasons for not liking the upcoming game. One of those reasons doesn't make sense, like 'because of Spyro's design being ugly in my eyes, this game will suck for sure!'. Character designs doesn't make a good game, yet most fans seem to only rely on Spyro's character design to determine their decision for them, and not play the game in general to decide for themselves.

Heck, I'm willing to try this game and decide for myself if I like it or not, instead of "judging the book by its cover" or letting the character designs determine my likes or dislikes for me.

Exactly. I seriously don't care how Spyro looks in the upcoming game. I'm still gonna get it when it comes out later this fall.

I understand if someone doesn't like the idea of toys and just doesn't want to buy it. If they understand that you don't need all of them, but they still don't want it, then that's ok. But to refuse to buy the game because of a design is utter bullcrap. Didn't this happen with LoS? And look how big of a fanbase that got.

The game is in pre-alpha, therefore designs can change overtime. If it was in Beta, then the design is locked in and there's nothing you can do. But the game is far from Beta testing. Several things can change over that time period.

And I seem to be the only one that actually thinks that this design is possibly the best I've ever seen of Spyro. And by saying that I painted a huge bullseye on my back. Attack me for saying that and you'll only have proven my point that you can't accept an opinion, and you're willing to rip someone's head off for it.

I'm going to play the game, regardless of who tries to stop me. If I knew the address of the toy fair, I would go and try it out and share my thoughts here. Regardless of what people say or do.

But I thought most of the people here were better than that, to base the entire game off of a design that a completely different developer made. You want the old design back? Get Insomniac to make the game. When you manage to pull that off, I'll shut up. But it's like all you do is play a game and like it because of the design. I thought the LoS design was cute, but strange since the way his mouth was shaped. And I thought his DotD design looked chunky.

When a game or franchise changes developers, the designs are going to change. Nothing is going to stop that from happening. So why don't you guys just calm down and wait for the release, go you a store and try it out there. Then you can complain all you want.

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And I seem to be the only one that actually thinks that this design is possibly the best I've ever seen of Spyro. And by saying that I painted a huge bullseye on my back. Attack me for saying that and you'll only have proven my point that you can't accept an opinion, and you're willing to rip someone's head off for it.

You rock. I love Classic Spyro's design the most, but I'm almost close to loving this one just as much.

I just kinda give up with people nowadays to be honest. They're always judging everyone and everything by its cover, and it really peeves me.

No, Spyro is not dead because of one single game not being how you want it.
No, it will not fail because you can buy other toys if you want to.

I'm going to laugh my butt off if Skylanders ends up proving to be a huge hit, and Acti continue this version of Spyro

^ I would be in stitches when that happens. When they see all of the critics giving it high reviews (I doubt it, but you can hope).

And I agree. Spyro isn't dead because you don't want the game to be this way. Spyro isn't dead because he has a new developer (that's why the design changed).

And to comment on BH_W's comment about how fantards will eat everything up, it's fairly obvious that he/she/it is talking to me, especially with the picture below the comment. I don't really know how I'm a fantard when a Spyro game is in my top 5 Worst Games of All Time list (ETD), and when time and time again I've shown hatred towards Activision and their decisions. This is the first time I actually gave praise to the company, and odds are this will also be the last until the CEO resigns, and someone smart takes control.

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And I seem to be the only one that actually thinks that this design is possibly the best I've ever seen of Spyro. And by saying that I painted a huge bullseye on my back. Attack me for saying that and you'll only have proven my point that you can't accept an opinion, and you're willing to rip someone's head off for it.

You rock. I love Classic Spyro's design the most, but I'm almost close to loving this one just as much.

I just kinda give up with people nowadays to be honest. They're always judging everyone and everything by its cover, and it really peeves me.

No, Spyro is not dead because of one single game not being how you want it.
No, it will not fail because you can buy other toys if you want to.

I'm going to laugh my butt off if Skylanders ends up proving to be a huge hit, and Acti continue this version of Spyro

That would be hilarious if this game does well. Yeah, I still love Spyro's classic look, too, but I like his new design the same.

Although I say it very often but it's a up-to-date classic Spyro xD

Well if I see a book with an obscene cover I know I'm not going to like whats inside. Though it's different for all people but Art plays a big part in video games. If the art sends negative feelings people (generally) try to find something that doesnt.

I'm not saying your wrong, everyone is different. But there is a heavy psychological part in this. I for one am at a point in my life where I just cant take many more negative feelings. So if Spyros new look and price bother me I try to distance myself from it.

No one is forcing you to like this game...

I know, I dont want sides to start picking at each other again though. You said the reasons don't make sense, I was just trying to show that for the people that made those decisions it makes perfect sense to them.

People assume too much, it's really sad.

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I know, I dont want sides to start picking at each other again though. You said the reasons don't make sense, I was just trying to show that for the people that made those decisions it makes perfect sense to them.

I meant about the reason of fans who are hating the game all because of Spyro's design, which doesn't make sense...

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People assume too much, it's really sad.

Yeah, and the game isn't even out yet, still working in production and it's in beta-stage...

I understand it, but it's very hard to explain. Now, i'm not for people saying the actual game is going to be bad if they havent played it.

I'm still on the fence with this game. But the way the whole fanbase is acting towards all three sides to Spyro is making me consider forgetting about the series altogether. :/

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Yeah, and the game isn't even out yet, still working in production and it's in beta-stage...

Didn't Activision say it's in pre-alpha? Might not even be in beta yet.

As for books-by-the-cover, I understand how a design can put someone off, but it's not like it's become a guts and gore game. The only design change I can see myself having a problem with is if it becomes very vulgar. Other then that it doesn't bother me. Let goblin Spyro fly!

Like I said on another forum, we have a lot more to go on than just the "cover" of how Spyro looks. We have a trailer, a sample of gameplay, the basic plot, a few of the characters, and the price. Seems like more than enough to decide whether or not it looks good at this point. I don't see too many people saying that it's gonna be terrible just because Spyro looks ugly.

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Like I said on another forum, we have a lot more to go on than just the "cover" of how Spyro looks. We have a trailer, a sample of gameplay, the basic plot, a few of the characters, and the price. Seems like more than enough to decide whether or not it looks good at this point. I don't see too many people saying that it's gonna be terrible just because Spyro looks ugly.

The game is going to be released in seven months, so I agree with Aura: we're judging the book by its cover.

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Like I said on another forum, we have a lot more to go on than just the "cover" of how Spyro looks. We have a trailer, a sample of gameplay, the basic plot, a few of the characters, and the price. Seems like more than enough to decide whether or not it looks good at this point. I don't see too many people saying that it's gonna be terrible just because Spyro looks ugly.

I agree. I have reasons to be skeptical about the game, but they are from mostly the gameplay videos.

If only fans could be rational about everything, maybe then fandoms will be better.

Who are you referring to?

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Like I said on another forum, we have a lot more to go on than just the "cover" of how Spyro looks. We have a trailer, a sample of gameplay, the basic plot, a few of the characters, and the price. Seems like more than enough to decide whether or not it looks good at this point. I don't see too many people saying that it's gonna be terrible just because Spyro looks ugly.

You'd be surprised at how many I've seen complain about Spyro's looks, and say it's gonna suck because of it..... Especially on DeviantArt. I keep seeing people use that same screenshot and bawwing about his looks there :/

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Like I said on another forum, we have a lot more to go on than just the "cover" of how Spyro looks. We have a trailer, a sample of gameplay, the basic plot, a few of the characters, and the price. Seems like more than enough to decide whether or not it looks good at this point. I don't see too many people saying that it's gonna be terrible just because Spyro looks ugly.

Then you haven't looked at the comments of Skylanders Spyro on DA and other gaming sites that features the game.

Here's a good example of someone going a bit OTT. No adult Spyro/Cynder? Ugh. Spyro should never be an adult, it's a KIDS game. Only guys like Mario have the charm to attract all ages.

Some people really need to stop treating Spyro like an adult game.

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....I don´t know what i say to this picture...these people are for me not more fans....

I've seen that one. I think s/he said it was a request, based on Spyro and Sonic's 'less popular' titles, rather than pure hatred.

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Here's a good example of someone going a bit OTT. No adult Spyro/Cynder? Ugh. Spyro should never be an adult, it's a KIDS game. Only guys like Mario have the charm to attract all ages.

Some people really need to stop treating Spyro like an adult game.

Ugh, that picture's so ridiculous. *facepalms*

I like it. In a technology and evolutionary world there is a time and place to try something new in the franchise. People thought touchscreens or 3D was never going to last.... and it's in everything that has a screen. All we're missing is windows!

Spyro's still kind of cute and the designs slowly sank in as I watched and re-watched the trailer. And for those saying they died a little watching it, call a doctor please and keep it to yourself if it was that bad.

For everyone else: UNTIL the game is in OUR HANDS, at OUR HOMES, in OUR CONSOLES and we're ACTUALLY PLAYING the game... shut up, keep the rant of failure to yourself until launch day, please.

At 19 going on 20 and an animation/game design student all I can say is "Not to shabby Acti". Even though Spyro is slapped in there, I still have great expectations. Heck, didn't Aura's 5 minute video say the game was one of the best in show or something like that? In NEW YORK? The big business hub of the world?

Yeah, they did say Skylanders is getting a lot of attention.

Look at this article posted by the author and he or she tells us how he or she feels about the fanbase reacting negatively to the new game.

"All in all, I'm excited for this new game. While it's different from what I wanted, I'm not going to knock it till I've tried it. The Spyro fanbase is just as bad as sonic's. They will never be happy. Honestly, when Dawn of the dragon was announced they all hated it, and now they worship it. This won't be any different."

From here: http://screwattack.com/blogs/F...pyros-adventure

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For everyone else: UNTIL the game is in OUR HANDS, at OUR HOMES, in OUR CONSOLES and we're ACTUALLY PLAYING the game... shut up, keep the rant of failure to yourself until launch day, please.

...So you can say positive things about it before the release, but negative things are off limits? This is still judging the book by its cover....

I really don't get it. What exactly is wrong with criticizing based on what we know now?

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For everyone else: UNTIL the game is in OUR HANDS, at OUR HOMES, in OUR CONSOLES and we're ACTUALLY PLAYING the game... shut up, keep the rant of failure to yourself until launch day, please.

So you can say positive things about it before waiting for the release, but negative things are off limits? This is still judging the book by its cover....

I really don't get it. What exactly is wrong with criticizing based on what we know now?

But some fans let their hate for the new game get the better of them, and they do stupid things. Like on DA, some of those fans driven by hate of Skylanders post hate and flame comments on most of the Skylanders pictures drawn by fans who like and dislike the new game, and act like jerks to other fans who like Skylanders.

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But some fans let their hate for the new game get the better of them, and they do stupid things. Like on DA, some of those fans driven by hate of Skylanders post hate and flame comments on most of the Skylanders pictures drawn by fans who like and dislike the new game.

Well, I know. You said that before. It's understandable that people don't want to be flamed for liking the game so far.

But that's not what the thread is about. The thread is about judging the game, not its fans, and I'm addressing the people who apparently think it's such a crime to judge a game by its trailer, trying to explain why it actually makes sense and isn't as bad as they think.

I agree with the author. Many fans right now will bash something way before the item is physically is in their hands.

Why can't we just be optimistic and have hopes for something fun and unique, like professional sports. We get all hopeful for a great season and make a run for the dance or the playoffs. Why can't we all be like that. Why can't we be like Pittsburgh or New York and have high hopes every year and forget the past and try again.

It's called retooling. Again I'll use a sports anecdote: After going 49 and 111 in 2004, the Arizona diamondbacks went through a "reboot". A year later they went back and fought into second place in their division. Then in 2007, after fixing what was wrong that slowed them down... they made it to the championship series and nearly had a shot against Boston (curse you Colorado!).

Then Spyro was like the D'Backs in 2004: bombing.

Later with the LoS era was like the D'Backs from 2005-2007: Improving in increments.

Now with all the tools, learning what went wrong and figuiring out what will work, this could be the year they can make a run. Maybe, it's just a speculation.

Right now let's be OPTIMISTIC for a change. I didn't really felt like going to Disneyland last year... then I went... now I really glad i went.

To me, psychologically... everyone is like a 5 year old: They will like it (or not) once they realize what they're missing.

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But some fans let their hate for the new game get the better of them, and they do stupid things. Like on DA, some of those fans driven by hate of Skylanders post hate and flame comments on most of the Skylanders pictures drawn by fans who like and dislike the new game.

Well, I know. You said that before. It's understandable that people don't want to be flamed for liking the game so far.

But that's not what the thread is about. The thread is about judging the game, not its fans, and I'm addressing the people who apparently think it's such a crime to judge a game by its trailer, trying to explain why it actually makes sense and isn't as bad as they think.

We so far only saw the teaser trailer, and a few work in progress game demos. It will be like DotD, the game was judged the same way by fans but they grew to like it. And now they're doing the same with Skylanders.

The fanbase right now is like Sonic's fanbase.

We can be optimistic, but let's face it: just because it looks good to you doesn't mean it will look good to everyone else. To me, it doesn't look at all appealing. And no, it's not because Spyro looks ugly.

We may not know all there is to know about this yet, I'll give you that. But seriously, what's so wrong about criticizing what we know so far?

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But some fans let their hate for the new game get the better of them, and they do stupid things. Like on DA, some of those fans driven by hate of Skylanders post hate and flame comments on most of the Skylanders pictures drawn by fans who like and dislike the new game.

Well, I know. You said that before. It's understandable that people don't want to be flamed for liking the game so far.

But that's not what the thread is about. The thread is about judging the game, not its fans, and I'm addressing the people who apparently think it's such a crime to judge a game by its trailer, trying to explain why it actually makes sense and isn't as bad as they think.

We so far only saw the teaser trailer, and a few work in progress game demos. It will be like DotD, the game was judged the same way by fans but they grew to like it. And now they're doing the same with Skylanders.

The fanbase right now is like Sonic's fanbase.

...Yeah, the fanbase has been like Sonic's fanbase since the first LoS game. So the fans can't agree on what they like. What's bad about that?

But there are things we know for sure. We know there are going to be collectible toys that are required to play the game. I don't like that. We know that it is aimed at children 6 to 12. I don't like that. We know what the story is. I don't like that. We know about a few of the characters and their "backstories." I don't like any of them.

See what I'm saying? Even the basic elements of the game can be enough to decide what you think of it. If you really try to follow the logic you're trying to use here, you'd have to try every game, even if it doesn't look good to you, because you can't judge it before you've actually played it for yourself.

@Stormy: and I'm fine with that. I'm just glad there is a game in the first place. It may be bad, it may be good, who knows. As long as they at least try, I'm good with that. We'll see during E3.

Let's just hope so if I'm cashing in $70 for it.... and Nascar (ducks)

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We can be optimistic, but let's face it: just because it looks good to you doesn't mean it will look good to everyone else. To me, it doesn't look at all appealing. And no, it's not because Spyro looks ugly.

We may not know all there is to know about this yet, I'll give you that. But seriously, what's so wrong about criticizing what we know so far?

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Well, I know. You said that before. It's understandable that people don't want to be flamed for liking the game so far.

But that's not what the thread is about. The thread is about judging the game, not its fans, and I'm addressing the people who apparently think it's such a crime to judge a game by its trailer, trying to explain why it actually makes sense and isn't as bad as they think.

We so far only saw the teaser trailer, and a few work in progress game demos. It will be like DotD, the game was judged the same way by fans but they grew to like it. And now they're doing the same with Skylanders.

The fanbase right now is like Sonic's fanbase.

...Yeah, the fanbase has been like Sonic's fanbase since the first LoS game. So the fans can't agree on what they like. What's bad about that?

But there are things we know for sure. We know there are going to be collectible toys that are required to play the game. I don't like that. We know that it is aimed at children 6 to 12. I don't like that. We know what the story is. I don't like that. We know about a few of the characters and their "backstories." I don't like any of them.

See what I'm saying? Even the basic elements of the game can be enough to decide what you think of it. If you really try to follow the logic you're trying to use here, you'd have to try every game, even if it doesn't look good to you, because you can't judge it before you've actually played it for yourself.

Then they take the Spyro franchise way too seriously then. It's just a game...

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Then they take the Spyro franchise way too seriously then. It's just a game...

Wait, who are we talking about now?

At least we can agree that Spyro isn't serious business, though. Maybe then we can agree that both the Skylanders haters and the Skylanders hater haters should lighten up a little and not make such a big deal about opinions.

Well, complaining about it isn't going to do anything.

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Well, complaining about it isn't going to do anything.

Yeah, it will only bring the game more attention..

I meant the people on this topic. What is making topics and whining going to do? I understand that they're annoying but there's nothing we can do about it.

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I meant the people on this topic. What is making topics and whining going to do? I understand that they're annoying but there's nothing we can do about it.

I know there's nothing we can do. But all that hate and frustration some fans have for the game, they sometimes take it out on other innocent fans like the upcoming game. All over a character design, a teaser trailer, and a couple of demos of the game still work in progress for further improvement.