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Nobody's getting hurt. We saw this coming because our expectations of Acti are ****, but it shouldn't be this way and it'll backfire horribly, which is the entire point of the topic and these articles.

Even Coin-Op TV was on Twitter retweeting stuff about this. It's utterly ridicules.

I don't mind it as much. I already have all the classes for some Imaginators planned.

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I don't mind it as much. I already have all the classes for some Imaginators planned.

Same here, still... I have little cousins who play Skylanders and I certainly wouldn't want a horrible situation breaking out because of this

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I don't think anyone but the craziest collectors should be expected to have a 100 crystals. We'll just have to do research with what we can get, 1ofWiisdom, and I don't think many would turn down writing damage numbers and whatnot if you asked here.

I'll definitely continue doing the comprehensive attack damage numbers. I just hope there is still a training grounds so it isn't too cumbersome. If I'm not present at events, I actually try to avoid gameplay clips outside of the PR material sent out so I may have missed that if it has been showcased. I actually still need to release a lot of the spreadsheet for SuperChagers, plan to do so after wrapping up with Elite Boomer (saved the best for last?!).

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I could also see an ultimate Portal Master Power (if they are back) being the possibility to reset our Crystals at will.
Maybe they simply didn't want to spill the beans, after all path switching was a big and appreciated surprise for most of us, in SuperChargers.

I am still hoping for this as well...Skylander Tutor remains one of the best additions imo.


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But hey, more playtime for Kaos and Wolfgang...sorry if it disappoints anyone, but as things stand now I simply can't finance 10x and thorough videos likely wouldn't be possible until around New Years with my schedule. Maybe a work around like Skylander Tutor could be implemented moving forward. As others have mentioned, hopefully we can catch some solid discounts on the Creation Crystals.

No worries, it's not your responsibility to spend $1000, and hours and hours of your time, just to clean up Activision's mistake. Thanks all that you have done, you've been a big help to me (and I am sure many others) in the past when I've been stuck on which upgrade path to choose.

EDIT: I still believe it is possible a reset functionality for these crystals might be coming down the line. Path switching wasn't originally available either, but as of Superchargers we can switch the path even on old S1 Spyro's Adventure figures. Defpally and I already went through the reasoning on that in this thread, for those that are curious. For the record, I am NOT saying it will happen, just that it is possible.

No problem, glad the videos have been helpful. Logging attack damage for the Sensei Skylanders will be something I can handle with no issues. I thought my Imaginators idea was pretty cool, but it'll have to be adjusted to better fit the final circumstances.

For your consideration!

Just in case you wanted to send them a letter or call them up and tell them why this sucks

I have a trick of how to turn the problem around. With my trick of resetting a Trap in Trap Team, we can also do the same with the Creation Crystals in Imaginators. We get to reset our Imaginators while Activision get's the profit from Hardcore Collectors. It's a Win-Win!

Uh, directing people to the tools is skirting the rules a bit TOO much, Buuzer. I thought you had this under control since you're mentioning it and all, but it's right there in the rules, you can't give people directions to download the illegal stuff no matter how cryptic.

Buuzer is a hunter, so that is his decision to make whether or not it violates the rules

I do know about Pyrofer's backup tool, though not the name or if there were others. Thought that you were talking about the older cheating tool, my mistake.

Okay thats cool. We'll probably leave before the poll-lice come to our legs

We interrupt a bunch of people getting in trouble for a slightly humorous tweet.

Well, considering the stupid prices Subway has in my country, I DO have to shell out considerable money if I want my options.

But the difference is that it doesn't matter what class the sandwich has, I'm gonna eat it all the same. Except for pork I'm never picky during lunch.

Mine was cost £3 for a 6 long. But we're getting off track. We're talking about the Creation Crystals.

The fact you can't reset does tarnish the game a little. This game was near perfect until this news surfaced.

Hey guys,it gets worse! Repost from another thread.

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So.

I looked at Myskylanders' article since I didn't check it on the day.
Last info is that yes, they (Imaginators) do start at level 1.

It means a)the guy was dodging questions and just said you have to train them,or
b) Wow Acti, you really don't us buying crystals since it's a waste of ****ing time if you don't want most Senseis

So not only you have to buy more crystals for more options,to use more options, because remember, Gear above Common,Secret Techniques and Elemental Abilities need level 2 and foward you need even more expensive toys. Hooray!

With that fun bit of news, I'm not even going to bother buying Crystals, this attempt at boycott failing or worse, because I actually wanted to buy Wind Waker HD and my Bayonetta Amiibo before 2018 is through - I simply can't afford enough Senseis in the next 6 months as currency conversion makes them over 80 bucks(shipping included) on release, not counting taxes and the risk of cheaper shipping meaning getting my package lost. Congrats Activision, you ruined the best gimmick the series ever had.

^You say that like we should be surprised by Activision doing something like this.

I'm not, but you know, I expected being allowed to have fun with the gimmick considering SC gave us heaps of that with Instant vehicles getting everything real ones have off the bat and whatnot. I can't create the one character I planned through unless 300 bucks or more drop on my lap anytime soon, since her ability would be the level 5 one and I only have enough for level 4 by seriously selling a lot of stuff.

whats the problem here? Gear besides common are locked at higher levels for imaginators, meaning they're kind of forcing us to buy senseis?

Yes, forcing to buy Senseis and not just what's in the starter pack, which gets you to level 3.
This also goes against the Achievement stuff on "unlock everything using only the starter pack" because one requires you to have Ultimate Gear(level 6 only).

Wait, when was there an achievement about only unlocking things with the starter pack?

I'm sure that Activision isn't that stupid... I remember hearing that the Level Cap is 10 automatically.

Not an achievement,but the trend was that you could get all of them with the starter pack. I think SuperChargers went against that for the final Emblem achievement, but you could buy only one extra toy and max out everything else, not several.

"Hey, I heard there is a new Skylanders game coming out later this year!
What's the big innovation, this time?"

"Oh, it's pretty cool!
There are these Senseis, which are big armored martial arts masters, and can also use a super powerful move thanks to the power of the Sky Chi"

"Cool!
Anything else?"

"Of course!
Some Trap Team villains are returning as full fledged Skylanders, even a playable clone of Kaos!"

"Wow, great!
Is that it?"

"Yep, nothing else"

"Are you sure?
Because I heard about these Creat-"

"NOTHING. ELSE."

The only reason I have a problem with them wanting us to buy more senseis to level our imaginators is the fact that they are nonresettable in the first place. It's all a matter of value. If imaginators were resettable, they would still have good value despite the other restrictions, because buying one creation crystal would give us access to moves from all ten battle classes. But as it is now they want us to pay the price of a core for a character who has no real figure, who is locked to moves from one battle class, and who can't access many of their moves or level up as much as a real Skylander unless you buy a bunch of other figures.

In terms of achievements....Microsoft's rule is everything that is required for the base game achievement list MUST be obtainable from what the game gives you. As the characters outside the starter pack are technically dlc this would break that rule if the imaginators are level capped at 3-5... (including dark edition+ kaos pre-order bonus). Though i will get each villian/ a few of the normal senseis, this is disgraceful. I do hope the starting level cap is at least 8....otherwise this just makes the gimmick more of a joke than it already has become.

Huh, Activision made this... **** everything I'm out...

Now being serious, I hate to say this, but Activision pretty much ruined the gimmick. Yeah, we still have the Senseis and all, but the Imaginators are unfortunately destroyed.

Placing my bet now for the final nail in the coffin for Creation Crystals, that they get reduced to power ups in skylanders 7... I mean think about it, Activision seems to be treating them like traps. My first thought when I saw them was they where the new core skylanders, but after all of this I think they are the new more expensive traps...

They're not really traps since you can switch villains in traps and use them with full capacity from the get go, and all 3 attacks even for Doom Raiders. Apples and oranges here.

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Not an achievement,but the trend was that you could get all of them with the starter pack. I think SuperChargers went against that for the final Emblem achievement, but you could buy only one extra toy and max out everything else, not several.

how did the 12 gold emblems achievement require buying extra toys? only 4 require extra purchases to hit gold, the 3 racing stars emblems and the vehicle mission stars emblem. Unless you have crappy internet and/or nobody to play co-op with you can easily get 12 without any more money getting spent

Oh, I read in an achievement guide that you should get at least one extra terrain. Thanks for the correction.
Well but it just puts into question that they either gave Myskylanders false info or they're going against Microsoft's achievement policies. Unresettable mess aside, I'd be fine if you had the bare minimun to get your character in shape but would have to deal with low health caps(heck, it's even a good challenge to survive on nothing but your Gear), but being locked out of a ton of things ON TOP OF the battle class lock is even more excessive.

it just says Imaginators START at level 1 though...how does that automatically translate to capped at level 1?

God, WTF!?

Only to franchises with non-human goodguys. This ONLY ****ING HAPPENS to franchises that aren't typical "humans are the absolute good" type garbage! This game might have saved the franchise from financial crisis, but now they're making one ****ed up decision after the next, ruining the game rapidly! I was looking forward to this game, too, and honestly this was one of the ONLY games of the year I was looking forward to besides Yooka-Laylee, and Imaginators hasn't even been released, and it already sucks because of all these asinine decisions Activision's making!

So much for finding recent games I can enjoy.

Calm your farm, we don't need any clueless person derailing the thread on your whole argument at the start there. Though I bet it'll happen anyway.

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it just says Imaginators START at level 1 though...how does that automatically translate to capped at level 1?

That's what I'm hoping it means, but from the wording(or at least what Google Translate didn't butcher) it sounded like starting without any Senseis.

Okay, everybody calm the frick down... We don't know for sure that the Imaginators have a level cap of 1. That sounds absolutely ridiculous!! I'm sure something was lost in translation...

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Calm your farm, we don't need any clueless person derailing the thread on your whole argument at the start there. Though I bet it'll happen anyway.

...I was just trying to use anger to make the flaw more evident.

The locked battleclass helps skylanders to go on the same road als Disney Infinity. Skylanders is a game meant for children and should be fun and not frustrating children. A few more of this kind decisions and LEGO dimensions takes over.

i guess since acti did not get the expected earnings from superchargers. they are now trying to force people into buying more with the gimmicks, so they will get the expected earnings with imaginators. i think this will backfire hard, specially when parents find out their kids cant change battle class. and they are forced to buy a new crystal to just get basic functionality. i expect a price hike on everything this time around, that will be fun(this may vary from country to country thou..) anyway one thing is certain skylanders as a game franchise aint family friendly anymore. they can trick the kids but not the parents.

Plus, I'm still kind of ****ed that stuff like this only happens to franchises I like. I would love to see overrated franchises get dealt blows like this, but no, only franchises I like.

Selfish thinking makes you only remember the bad things, though...?

The price hike is already a thing with the Senseis costing as much as vehicles and crystals costing as much as Skylanders; like the Eon's Elite looking box is going to fool anyone.

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Plus, I'm still kind of ****ed that stuff like this only happens to franchises I like. I would love to see overrated franchises get dealt blows like this, but no, only franchises I like.

Activision and the other big companies pull this kind of crap all the time with games starring humans. You've never heard any Youtubers complaining about microtransactions or DLC season passes or anti-consumer DRM practices or other stuff like that?

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God, WTF!?

Only to franchises with non-human goodguys. This ONLY ****ING HAPPENS to franchises that aren't typical "humans are the absolute good" type garbage! This game might have saved the franchise from financial crisis, but now they're making one ****ed up decision after the next, ruining the game rapidly! I was looking forward to this game, too, and honestly this was one of the ONLY games of the year I was looking forward to besides Yooka-Laylee, and Imaginators hasn't even been released, and it already sucks because of all these asinine decisions Activision's making!

So much for finding recent games I can enjoy.

There are several games from Nintendo when you don't play as humans. Just saying...

I really don't understand how Google Translate has any possible way of butchering this, as long as you translate to English.

Word by word translation:
Imaginator starten mit Level 1 - Das maximale Level wird durch die Nutzung von Senseis erhöht
Imaginators start with Level 1 - The maximum Level is by the use of Senseis increased
Obviously, "increased" is misplaced in English, due to different grammar. Sounds like something Master Yoda would say. Corrected with English grammar:
Imaginators start with Level 1 - The maximum Level is increased by the use of Senseis

The first part doesn't mention a cap whatsoever, just that they start at level 1, like all other Skylanders. I remember lots of people speculated that they might start out higher, due to their potentially massive level cap (when adding Senseis), but as we all know, that got debunked.

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Plus, I'm still kind of ****ed that stuff like this only happens to franchises I like. I would love to see overrated franchises get dealt blows like this, but no, only franchises I like.

I didn't realize you were the only person here who liked Skylanders.

That's exactly how it showed for me - "start with level 1" sounds like the guy tiptoed around saying if they start with 0 xp like any other skylander or start with the level 1 cap.

It just means they start at level 1, nothing more to it whatsoever. Keep in mind that some of the answers in the list are things he discovered through gameplay, rather than asking PR. And this one in particular seems very much like a gameplay discovery.

That said, a level 1 cap isn't outside the realm of possibilities, but so far, the evidence suggests that the original cap is 15 (at Gamescom, with an empty collection, adding a Sensei raises the cap from 15 to 16).

The original level cap for imaginators was 20
They reduced it to 15 at some point around the E3, now it may be even lower than that.


EDIT: I'm not 100% if it was before or after the E3

Could be as low as 10 and it'd still be fine. My issue is with anywhere lower than the ability/gear requirements.

Then again there's still the whole unresettable issue. I'm still not buying any at the start, but this would at least make the blow softer.