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Considering some game covers, Bayonetta amiibo would have no issue unless someone started causing trouble over it,and even then Nintendo would probably resort to only pulling that on the specific country it happened on.

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One more actual thing that could happen. Expect Bayonetta's Amiibo to be an online exclusive. If they release her at retail, then there can be an actual argument made then. We can only hope she won't be too hard to get.

They aren't going to release her amiibo online only.

Those types of arguments don't matter matter much anyways and don't really go anywhere outside of feminists groups. (Plus it's free publicity, so...)

Your concern is misplaced and illogical, no offence.

Actually I'm quite alright with what you said. As long as I'm not getting yelled at or being insulted, I can handle legitimate arguments and have no real problem with your ideas. The only reason why I said that was because even the powerful franchise of Star Wars was attacked with the slave Leia scandal being fact and now Disney will not ever be making any overall merchandise of slave Leia. So there has been an actual assault on sexual references in a kids related franchise. Thank you for giving me your thoughts politely.

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Considering some game covers, Bayonetta amiibo would have no issue unless someone started causing trouble over it,and even then Nintendo would probably resort to only pulling that on the specific country it happened on.

Exactly. I don't see much difference between Bayonetta and ZSS's costume, and no one has complained about the ZSS amiibo that I know of.

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Well I don't know about you guys but I had no idea who Corrin was when they revealed him. But he seems pretty dang cool.

And Bae-onetta is a nice surprise.

All the salty crocodile tears tho. Maybe next time Krooly.

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^Cloud isn't ballot.

He's been wanted since Melee. Sakurai stated that they worked with Square Enix to make it happen because he's been wanted for years.

He didn't rank on the ballot seriously I would imagine, he was one of those characters people thought was out of the question due to him mostly being associated with Sony, and Square Enix being iffy with Nintendo.

I thought they said there was a large number of votes for Final Fantasy characters in general and Cloud was the most voted and most doable option. He isn't exactly a ballot winner, but a Final Fantasy character happening seemed implied to be due to the ballot.

He didn't say anything about votes. He said "requests". Sakurai makes a distinction between the two. Votes mean ballot. Requests just means general internet activity regardless of the ballot.

People have wanted an FF character in Smash for years, Cloud most specifically. Cloud VS Link is one of the biggest pipe dream video game match-ups in the world, next to stuff like Mario VS Sonic. Sakurai even referenced that aspect specifically.

If Cloud was ballot he would have been transparent, like how he literally told us exactly how Bayonetta ranked.

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bayonetta is such a wonderful character and i love her so much

i love her and i don't even play the games xD

And unlike some of the people against her say, she's definately not without personality. Yeah,there's the embracing the sexiness aspect,but for everything else think Palutena and Viridi combined. It's amazing how someone so powerful can sometimes be petty sometimes and so caring(though she'll never admit it) in others. Doesn't show in the first playthrough since she's trying to be the utterly over the top just because she can,but when you can pay more attention to it some subtle things make her all the better character.

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bayonetta is such a wonderful character and i love her so much

i love her and i don't even play the games xD

me too bro me too

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Am I the only one that doesn't have an issue with Corrin being yet another FE character as well as yet another sword fighter?
I'm not that big a fan of FE (though I do like the games), but he seems quite unique when compared to the other FE characters as well as sword fighters, at least imo.

I can definitely see why people have an issue with him being the 6th FE character, but I really don't think that it's that big of a deal.
And I'm saying that despite the fact that there were other characters that I would have liked to have gotten Corrin's spot instead.

I wanted characters like K. Rool and Wolf - as well as maybe another Zelda character, preferably a villain - to get in, but I'm not pissed off that they didn't.
I'm disappointed for sure, but I'm more than happy with Bayonetta and Corrin, tbh.

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That said, I do agree that there are way too many sword fighters, but Corrin just seems unique to me in comparison to a lot of them.

I'm fine with him and do agree that he's quite unique for a sword-fighter and for an FE rep, but still feel the spot could've been better utilized and see him solely as a marketing ploy. I am interested in getting him & his Amiibo, yet of the 3 Cloud remains the one I'm most hyped for

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I remember someone saying that if they revealed him instead of Cloud last direct it would've left a better taste in people's mouths; being FE rep and sword user is a big thing,but even worse is being the last one from an already represented franchise.
But then again the internet would explode of having Cloud and Bayonetta hype together.

Meanwhile people complained about Cloud getting in and my argument was that people were just upset about Cloud because characters they wanted like Wolf or Banjo didn't get confirmed.

You just aren't going to win no matter which order you went with announcing these last three characters. Someone is going to be upset that the one they wanted didn't get in or that a slot was wasted by a character who has no direct ties to Nintendo, a character who's games sold poorly, or yet another Fire Emblem character.

Corrin looks like he was made with a lot of care and was built from scratch. They probably ended up planned him to promote the game which a lot of Fire Emblem characters do in Smash. I honk he was chosen before Cloud but how could I know?

I seem to be pretty good with Cloud. From the hour I've had him, I think I'm getting the hang of him, and might get better. I think my mains might be as follows now:

1. Robin
2. Toon Link
3. Cloud
4. Lucina
5. Shulk
6. Little Mac
7. Ryu
8. (Placeholder for Corrin, subject to change)

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Corrin looks like he was made with a lot of care and was built from scratch. They probably ended up planned him to promote the game which a lot of Fire Emblem characters do in Smash. I honk he was chosen before Cloud but how could I know?

I agree. Corrin looks really unique and will probably be very fun to play as, and I'm really looking forward to them.

Also, the more I watch Bayonetta's trailer, the more I love it. The huge emphasis on Kid Icarus is great, especially the small Dark Pit line.

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bayonetta is such a wonderful character and i love her so much

i love her and i don't even play the games xD

me too bro me too

I'm with you too.

It's just my impression or Bayonetta will be a little OP? She looks too much powerful.

Ha, Bayonetta is not the first witch Sonic's defeated.

(Merlina the Wizard/Witch from Sonic and the Black Knight)

Also, her guns don't slow down my SpinDashes. I'm not scared.

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Good.

Hey, as long as SOMEBODY nicknames their corrin amiibo "Jake Long", i'm good

****, now I want 2 to do so.

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Good.

>More than Zelda
>More than Kirby
>Same as Pokemon

One good selling game doesn't grant six characters.

Am I allowed to like this character because I like Fire Emblem? Is that a thing I'm allowed to do? Because you're acting like I'm not allowed to like Corrin.

Nah, I love Corrin. Dragon stuff? SIGN ME UP!

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Also, her guns don't slow down my SpinDashes. I'm not scared.

But her Witch Time sure does, if the counter hits... I think, in the actual game it'd totally work as long as you have the evade extender upgrade to make sure you'll dodge in time.

Apparently Bayonetta can use her Side-B AND Up-B in the air as much as she wants to?

Just gonna put this here.

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Apparently Bayonetta can use her Side-B AND Up-B in the air as much as she wants to?

I think her Up B has 2 uses. One normally, but if you jump again, it gets another use.

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To be fair didn't Roy show up in Melee a good bit of time before his game reached the west? He was practically an ad there too.

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Apparently Bayonetta can use her Side-B AND Up-B in the air as much as she wants to?

No. Up B can be jump cancelled and used again like Fox's/Falco's shine in Melee. Her side B can be used again if she connects I think.

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Just gonna put this here.

you forgot his up throw

Bowser has a new Up Throw combo.

Sigh it's too late. Apparently some SJW (Social Justice Warrior) is opening a petition to get Bayonetta out of Smash. I would link it, but the site seems to be down for obvious reasons and had some pretty inappropriate words and slurs mentioned. All I can say is that it's happening and am just sad that it's only been two days since the reveal and already someone is trying to get her out of the game.

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Sigh it's too late. Apparently some SJW (Social Justice Warrior) is opening a petition to get Bayonetta out of Smash. I would link it, but the site seems to be down for obvious reasons and had some pretty inappropriate words and slurs mentioned. All I can say is that it's happening and am just sad that it's only been two days since the reveal and already someone is trying to get her out of the game.

**** Feminists.

Enjoy Bayonetta



(trust me when i say it was hard to find a SFW image of her but i did it)

GhostRoaster617, I really hate to sound rude, but please, stop being a Chicken Little. The big bad 'SJWs' aren't going to take Bayonetta away. There's really no reason Nintendo would pay any attention to them, not when Bayonetta has so much support to be in the game to begin with.

Bayonetta's inclusion is not comparable to Disney ceasing to make merchandise of slave Leia. At. All.

For starters, if you haven't watched it recently, perhaps rewatch that Star Wars film that slave Leia is in (and note the term 'slave Leia'), and then you come back here and tell me people aren't justified in feeling a bit upset that something like that was being capitalized on because 'fanservice'. There's a fine line between 'innocent fanservice/good taste' and '...okay, maybe this is a bit creepy given the actual context'.

Bayonetta, to my knowledge, doesn't have the unfortunate implications that merchandise of slave Leia has.

Honestly, people should know what petitions do to a big company's decision.

Which is Mr. Jack-Diddly-Bugger-All-of-the-Funny-Farm-incorperated.

I honestly think that Diddy Kong and Donkey Kong are both oversexulized. :/ I hope that parents don't end up taking away the game because of them.

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Sigh it's too late. Apparently some SJW (Social Justice Warrior) is opening a petition to get Bayonetta out of Smash. I would link it, but the site seems to be down for obvious reasons and had some pretty inappropriate words and slurs mentioned. All I can say is that it's happening and am just sad that it's only been two days since the reveal and already someone is trying to get her out of the game.

People who get mad about Bayonetta and see her as a sex object are people who don't understand who Bayonetta is or haven't played her games.

Also I'm willing to wager they're upset that the character they wanted didn't get in.

I just put that out before someone even worse delivered the message in an even worse format. I figured I say it before someone like say a certain Amiibo collector said it and made it worse turning fans against each other. I totally get what all of you are saying and will just disappear for a while now. This is not at all any of your faults and I'm truly grateful that you were civil about the topic, but I admit I'm in a bit of a tough time at the moment and even the worse news can really hurt me.

I'd rather share scenarios and feelings with others than say nothing at all cause really deep confession, I barely get to talk to anyone in life period. Also Chicken Little is a really big understatement to describe me hear. I haven't been able to truly be afraid in what feels like an eternity. Truthfully I cannot share any of the information on what I mean as it's too personal and too dark for this forum to hear, but I can say that I am sorry and hope we can just put this behind us.

To be honest I'm actually crying because I'm happy I don't have to leave this forum. The last time I spoke about a serious subject, I had to literally leave and abandon my accounts from literally 3 other forums. Not to make this melodramatically, but from a certain point of view, this is the only place I have any friends and losing my friends here would literally leave me no reason to live so I leave in hopes no more bitter or negative feelings are left on anyone. Thank you for being honest in a legitimately honest way.

Keep in mind that Nintendo isn't the kind to just give it up in the face of fans. They can censor, but they already did it in advance, but they never just cower in fear of the media because they're *already* seen as that company that makes baby games. They're hardly like western companies who grab journalists left and right looking for acceptance.

And if something's going on that you really need to put your mind on so it doesn't get worse, it'd probably be rude of us to insist you to stay discussing about 2 meter tall women made of pixels if there are bigger pressing matters.

'Sides, Kamiya is the kind of person that photoshopped Bayo's clothes into a photo of a certain SJW I'd rather not mention. If he isn't afraid, we shouldn't be either, because the people that call Bayonetta sexist are not the ones playing or caring since actual non-armchair feminists said she's actually big representation for embracing her sexuality without fear of anyone judging but herself.

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Also, her guns don't slow down my SpinDashes. I'm not scared.

But her Witch Time sure does, if the counter hits... I think, in the actual game it'd totally work as long as you have the evade extender upgrade to make sure you'll dodge in time.

Still... I guess I'll have to wait and see.

Is anyone else ONLY versing Cloud online, or is it just me?

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Also, her guns don't slow down my SpinDashes. I'm not scared.

But her Witch Time sure does, if the counter hits... I think, in the actual game it'd totally work as long as you have the evade extender upgrade to make sure you'll dodge in time.

Still... I guess I'll have to wait and see.

Is anyone else ONLY versing Cloud online, or is it just me?

Aare you on For Glory? Yeah. You're on For Glory.

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Sigh it's too late. Apparently some SJW (Social Justice Warrior) is opening a petition to get Bayonetta out of Smash. I would link it, but the site seems to be down for obvious reasons and had some pretty inappropriate words and slurs mentioned. All I can say is that it's happening and am just sad that it's only been two days since the reveal and already someone is trying to get her out of the game.

Please post it. Even if my signature will mean nothing, it will relieve stress.

I don't think anyone needs people who don't even play these games whining about something in them(or someone whining because their favorite character isn't in it in a unreasonable way). A quick google search should suffice should you be looking for idiots acting like idiots.

Also,I don't even have it,but the full Limit Break charge beep annoys the hell of out me in videos already. (probably because most of the ones I watched had EVERYONE trying Clout out) It's a good indicator for sure because it acts exactly like an alarm and you'll notice it wanting or not, I guess :U

If anyone is down to fight I'm available for the next hour. Send a PM or GB message my way or I guess reply here and I can try and pay attention.

Online Smash has no strategy or reaction time. All you do is press random buttons until you can hit them blind.

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I don't think anyone needs people who don't even play these games whining about something in them(or someone whining because their favorite character isn't in it in a unreasonable way). A quick google search should suffice should you be looking for idiots acting like idiots.

Also,I don't even have it,but the full Limit Break charge beep annoys the hell of out me in videos already. (probably because most of the ones I watched had EVERYONE trying Clout out) It's a good indicator for sure because it acts exactly like an alarm and you'll notice it wanting or not, I guess :U

I found it, but it was deleted.

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But her Witch Time sure does, if the counter hits... I think, in the actual game it'd totally work as long as you have the evade extender upgrade to make sure you'll dodge in time.

Still... I guess I'll have to wait and see.

Is anyone else ONLY versing Cloud online, or is it just me?

Aare you on For Glory? Yeah. You're on For Glory.

Just went on FG. They're everywhere. Maybe lots of FG players are kinda spoiled?

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Honestly, people should know what petitions do to a big company's decision.

Which is Mr. Jack-Diddly-Bugger-All-of-the-Funny-Farm-incorperated.

What about boycotts? What if people threaten not to buy the product if things don't change?

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What about boycotts? What if people threaten not to buy the product if things don't change?

In most cases nowadays,they wouldn't buy even if the company did a 180° and changed things. In this case, chances are the people who ONLY NOW boycott Smash because of Bayo wouldn't buy it if she was removed with a big apology post or something. Or even the Dead or Alive Extreme 3 fiasco a few weeks ago - most people whining that they'd boycott Play Asia and Koei Tecmo(should it come out in the west) don't actually play these games or knew the franchise to begin with. It was just 'boobs and fanservice! This company deserves outrage!'.

It's real boycotts like 'this sequel is unfinished and buggy, we won't buy until you fix it' from the actual fans that do something.

Cloud's neutral B will follow the stage's pattern.

Also works with the Limit Break which can gimp or kill opponents if it connects. Can only really work on the competitive Wii U stages such as Castle Seige, Lyat, and Delfino.

Looks like i didn't get Eshop money for christmas, so i'm gonna have to get cloud myself.

Just downloaded the new DLC Bundle into my games!

Bought Pirate Ship today. Still pretty disappointed in the lack of new music like Molgera's theme or Dragon Roost Island despite knowing that for a while.

Yeah.... This happened

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What about boycotts? What if people threaten not to buy the product if things don't change?

In most cases nowadays,they wouldn't buy even if the company did a 180° and changed things. In this case, chances are the people who ONLY NOW boycott Smash because of Bayo wouldn't buy it if she was removed with a big apology post or something. Or even the Dead or Alive Extreme 3 fiasco a few weeks ago - most people whining that they'd boycott Play Asia and Koei Tecmo(should it come out in the west) don't actually play these games or knew the franchise to begin with. It was just 'boobs and fanservice! This company deserves outrage!'.

It's real boycotts like 'this sequel is unfinished and buggy, we won't buy until you fix it' from the actual fans that do something.

I would if they added K. Rool or Wolf. I'm still hoping they surprise us with one of the two. The game DESPERATELY needs... you know what I'm going to say.

Also, at the above post.