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20 dS Coins says brawler is making a giant rant on how influential Rosalina is right now

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Well when I say "origins" I mostly mean that she debuted in a game based around space, and her character and design still screams "cosmos".

Her origins were slightly hinted at in Galaxy 1 but I honestly don't think we'll ever really get a full picture.

I feel like they'll reveal them in a Galaxy 3, I'm really betting on that.

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I'm just saying, in just about every topic about Nintendo or E3 ypu bring up Rosalina and how she's apparently so great and deserves a new game.

zer0dch put out an open question asking people what would be the dream game they'd like to see at E3. In my case, it's a Rosalina game. Problem?

Also I do not do what you say I do.

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Explain. I'm genuinely interested because besides her forced inclusion in MK8 and Sm4sh, how she's been so "influential".

She's literally the first Mario character to debut (key word there) with a sense of agency and a backstory, remains the only Mario character with any sort of depth in the main series Mario games, she is the poster child of two of the most revolutionary and critically acclaimed games of all time, and her storybook and the character in general brought to light a new form of storytelling in games known as "non-intrusive" story telling. Many of your favourite games since Galaxy probably use this, and Rosalina is the character that made it popular. There has also been a surge of games with strong, female characters with more complex elements to their personality that go outside gaming stereotypes (not many video games portray a cool, powerful female character as a loving, adoptive mother too). Rosalina started the trend of these characters, with us getting similar characters like Ellie from Last of Us, Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite, and more, ever since - they may not be the main player character, but they tend to be the most memorable characters in their games regardless.

Rosalina wasn't forced in MK8 because she had already been in three Mario Kart games prior to that, you are literally slow if you were at all shocked by her being in the game, and she's a main character of the franchise so she has every right to be there if we can have characters like Waluigi and Daisy. As for Smash, she more than earned her place, she represents Galaxy (again, one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time) without tampering with Mario, she brought the most unique new playstyle to Smash of any of the newcomers, and she has a huge fanbase to boot. Her reveal trailer is Sakurai's second most "Yeah'd" Miiverse post and everything, only second to the group shot of Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, and Pac-Man. You are literally lying to yourself if you think Rosalina is forced and shouldn't be there, yet you are completely OK with Lucina.

EDIT: Stay classy people. Calling me a "fanboy" just because I have a justified interest in a character.

Also you literally cannot say Rosalina is forced, yet be OK with Yoshi, Wario, and Bowser "Scrappy Doo" Jr, and Peach.

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I'm not going to bother quoting all that on mobile.

First off, I am right. It's like you think Rosalina is the greatest character gaming has ever seen, when there are far more influential gaming characters than her. I can name 10 of the top of my head.

I'm not denying she has a cool backstory. I'm denying that she kicked off the strong female character revolution. She didn't do that, the industry did. The consumers wanted change, the industry responded. She wasn't the reason, she was just one of the first.

I didn't play any of the previous MK games so I wouldn't know. As for Sm4sh, there are way too many Mario characters in the first place, when you count Donkey Kong and Yoshi, which I am. I'd even argue there are too many LoZ characters, as muchas I love the franchise. In an ideal world, Rosalina's character slot should have been another Xenoblade (a FAR better game than Galaxy IMO), or other very influential 3rd party characters.

And FYI, there are way better critically acclaimed gamesthan Galaxy 1 and 2.

EDIT: I'm not okay with Wario or Bowser Jr. at all. I think both of their inclusions is stupid and unnecessary. I'm okay with Yoshi though, since he's been in all of them.

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And FYI, there are way better critically acclaimed gamesthan Galaxy 1 and 2.

In all fairness didn't you ask for an explanation?

There do exist games that got a bit more acclaim than the Galaxy games, but they are both within the top 10 of all time if you go by critic scores. Not that I'm saying Rosalina is the sole reason for that. Not at all.

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She's literally the first Mario character to debut (key word there) with a sense of agency and a backstory, remains the only Mario character with any sort of depth in the main series Mario games, she is the poster child of two of the most revolutionary and critically acclaimed games of all time, and her storybook and the character in general brought to light a new form of storytelling in games known as "non-intrusive" story telling. Many of your favourite games since Galaxy probably use this, and Rosalina is the character that made it popular.

non-intrusive storytelling? elaborate on that, i have no clue what that means.

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There has also been a surge of games with strong, female characters with more complex elements to their personality that go outside gaming stereotypes (not many video games portray a cool, powerful female character as a loving, adoptive mother too). Rosalina started the trend of these characters, with us getting similar characters like Ellie from Last of Us, Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite, and more, ever since - they may not be the main player character, but they tend to be the most memorable characters in their games regardless.

that trend started YEARS before Rosalina came to the Mario series. If anything that trend started with characters like Samus Aran, Lara Croft, and Jill Valentine to name a few.

As someone who loved Galaxy(as well as Rosalina), Bioshock Infinite, and The Last of Us, I can definitely tell you that's not true. Elizabeth and Ellie were praised and memorable because of the writing behind the characters and what they did in gameplay.

Writing good characters is a given for ANY game that's big on story and Rosalina had nothing to do with that. Elizabeth was an interesting character because of her powers to manipulate tears in time and space, the dialogue she shared with Booker Dewitt, her dialogue regarding the world of Columbia, the overall design of the character, as well as what she did in gameplay: she NEVER got in the way, she never had to be protected, and she even helped you during combat by quickly supplying Booker with items.

A lot of the same applies to Ellie. Ellie was an interesting character just by the "growing up in an apocalypse" factor alone, as well as similar dialogue she spoke that Elizabeth did, the only difference being that it applied to Joel and this world. and like Elizabeth, she never got in the way of combat, and even helped you during it.

THAT'S why these characters were memorable. Rosalina had nothing to do with these characters getting popular. she never started any trend in gaming in terms of female characters. She has no connection to characters like Ellie and Elizabeth. They aren't even similar gameplay-wise(and definitely aren't similar story-wise but that's already a given). If anything it's Ellie and Elizabeth that started this trend, because not only did they come out during the same year AND came out during the eve of the next console generation, they had backstories that WERE elaborated on and developed, unlike Rosalina who is just a character that definitely has the most story and lore in a series as simple as Mario.

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Rosalina wasn't forced in MK8 because she had already been in three Mario Kart games prior to that, you are literally slow if you were at all shocked by her being in the game, and she's a main character of the franchise so she has every right to be there if we can have characters like Waluigi and Daisy. As for Smash, she more than earned her place, she represents Galaxy (again, one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time) without tampering with Mario, she brought the most unique new playstyle to Smash of any of the newcomers, and she has a huge fanbase to boot. Her reveal trailer is Sakurai's second most "Yeah'd" Miiverse post and everything, only second to the group shot of Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, and Pac-Man. You are literally lying to yourself if you think Rosalina is forced and shouldn't be there, yet you are completely OK with Lucina.

Can't argue with that, but Lucina is justified as well because Fire Emblem: Awakening got just as much praise as the Galaxy games did.

and "most unique playstyle in Smash" is debatable.

Strider, I swear you wear "overly emoted goggles". Please take them off, for once.

I didn't say she was the most influential character of all time, I said she simply was influential. The adjective describes her. Fits her. That's all.

Also nobody cares about your arbitrary preferences for Smash characters and whether or not the characters deserve to be in based on those arbitrary preferences. Rosalina got in for, objectively and statistically, being a beloved character with a big place in Nintendo history, and in the hearts of many Nintendo fans, as well as for her unique moveset potential. Just because you didn't get "generic anime swordsman husbando/waifu #3245453" (because it's not like we have plenty in Smash already), doesn't mean you have to be pissy at other characters getting in. You got your Shulk and Lucina anyway, don't see why you're complaining about there not being more obscure anime-esque characters.

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that trend started YEARS before Rosalina came to the Mario series. If anything that trend started with characters like Samus Aran, Lara Croft, and Jill Valentine to name a few.

Actually, it didn't. They were not nearly as developed as Rosalina when they debuted, and they were all heavily sexualised anyway later on. Samus literally became an abused object of a woman in Other M, and Lara Croft is only recently redeeming herself.

"Non-intrusive storytelling" is telling story elements in a game in a manner that doesn't intrude the player in otherwise gameplay-focused games. For example, whether you like a Sonic game's cutscenes or not, they still force the backstories of new characters and what not upon you. Rosalina, on the other hand, is a character that you can mostly ignore, despite her having a big role in Galaxy. It just depends on if she piques your curiosity to begin with, and diving deeper is done in an immersive way. Rosalina and her stroybook popularised this trend and Miyamoto and Yoshiaki Koizumi have even acknowledged it as an intentional design choice (the reasoning being that introducing a new character to a long running franchise that normally has the same characters is tricky and forcing them too hard can be bad, a lesson Miyamoto learned with Bowser Jr).

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Elizabeth and Ellie were praised and memorable because of the writing behind the characters and what they did in gameplay.

And that is a trend popularised by Rosalina.

Seriously, go back to before 2007. The only "strong female characters" were completely unrealistic, or were sexualised anyway, if not completely pretentious and fit under very generic archetypes. Then Rosalina swoops in, and suddenly in 2008, we're seeing all of these games with major selling points being that they feature female characters with fictionally strong and badass elements, yet still have agency and a sense of normalcy about them since then. Rosalina popularized this. She may not have directly inspired the creation of future characters, but she set an unconcious standard that other characters should live up to. This is nothing new to Nintendo either, they set standards with Mario all of the time, and the Galaxy games did this in spades, including Rosalina.

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Fire Emblem: Awakening got just as much praise as the Galaxy games did.

.............Please look up the sales data for these games...

Also FE:A was actually a very divisive game, a lot of old Fire Emblem fans don't think it's all that great.

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and "most unique playstyle in Smash" is debatable.

Actually, it really isn't. No other character in Smash has puppet fighter/paradigm shifter playstyle.

Oh, sorry for not being a Vulcan.

No, it really doesn't. She has a fan base, that doesn't mean she's necessarily influential.

I'm just saying the Smash roster spots should go to those who had great games that were underplayed and need recognition, and classic game characters. Rosalina falls into neither of those categories. I'm not pissy about characters not getting in, when did I ever say that? And I'm not saying we need more "anime" characters. I'm just saying underreconginzed games with big fanbases need Smash for recognition. Fire Emblem and Xenoblade would have pretty much died without Smash.

If anything, I want Snake back, and I want other third parties (i.e. Shovel Knight or Banjo-Kazooie) to get their time in Smash's light.

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Actually, it really isn't. No other character in Smash has puppet fighter/paradigm shifter playstyle.

Guess people have already forgotten about Ice Climbers

"I want I want I want, so therefore everybody else must need".

Once again, nobody cares about your arbitrary entry requirements for Smash. If you have a problem with how Smash characters are actually selected, take it up with Sakurai.

It's clear this discussion is going to go nowhere and my points will be ignored, so let's just drop it. I was asked what my dream E3 game would be, I said a Rosalina game (and gave two other suggestions). But of course y'all target me for saying Rosalina because you're all bitter at me for some reason (Smash thread I guess) and need something to nitpick so you can annoy me. So can we get back to the topic please?

What are your E3 Hopes/Predictions?

EDIT: Ice Climbers are nothing like Rosalina & Luma, they function completely differently. I couldn't use Ice Climbers for the life of me, yet I am great with Rosalina. Similarly, Ice Climbers mains didn't jump to Rosalina as a replacement. I also know a few people on Smashboards who do main both and they will even tell you they are nothing alike.

I thought Ice Climbers were more a duo than a master/puppet thing.

Whatever, I'm talking to a brick wall here.

Consider these more hopes than predictions, though I do have expectations for some:

I want news and a release date for Star Fox. Specifically I want to hear that online multiplayer is coming to the series. Even if it has to get delayed until next year to get this multiplayer, I think the game really needs it.

Along with this, I honestly expect to see a trailer for Wolf as upcoming Smash DLC. I imagine that by E3 Lucas will either already be out or have a set release date, so it'd be a good time to announce him with all the Star Fox news.

I want to hear that Pokken is coming to Wii U and being localized for the west. I don't even care all that much about release dates; just a confirmation that it's coming is enough to get me excited. An amiibo line would be nice too (and would be among the only reasons I'd come back after the Smash line ends).

A new Punch Out would be lovely. Next Level Games is working on something and I could only hope it's that. Super Mario Galaxy 3 would be a real treat, but I'm not holding out. Metroid and F-Zero are always things I would want to see but I'm not holding my breath for F-Zero (Metroid is a little more realistic).

Actual gameplay footage of Star Wars Battlefront. I'm already disappointed that space battles reportedly aren't a thing (or could be held back for DLC). I want reason to remain hyped for a sequel to one of my all time favorite games.

Gran Turismo 7 would be nice. So would The Last Guardian, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Release dates for both Tom Clancy games being worked on by Ubisoft, and gameplay for AC Syndicate. A new 2D Rayman would be great as well.

I would LOVE to see Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5, now that it's all but announced as being in development. And while it's a long shot since they closed the studio, EA announcing a Skate 4 would be a dream. I love my skateboarding games and want them to make a real comeback.

On that note, EA should give us more footage (and actual gameplay) for Mirror's Edge, and whatever Criterion was working on last year.

Halo 5 gameplay and news. Persona 5 trailer and news.

And for the love of god Sony PLEASE give me some Vita games. Don't make Gravity Rush 2 a PS4 exclusive. Seriously the only upcoming Vita game I'm even remotely excited for is P4: Dancing All Night, which is essentially Project Diva F but with Persona 4 characters and music.

Overall though, aside from the attention I give to Nintendo, I'm looking for a genuine reason to want a PS4 or Xbox One, and a reason to want to pay $60 a year for online (one of the biggest reasons I've avoided a PS4). Each system has a decent bit of stuff I'm interested in, and it won't be surprising if my father decides to get us a PS4 this year (he mentioned wanting to for the past two years already), but I still don't feel an immediate need to run out and get a system by the end of the year. I want them to give me one, and not by promising me titles next year or the year after or whenever they're ready.

And before someone mentions Gravity Rush 2 for PS4, taking an original IP away from a system in dire need of games and original IPs isn't the way to encourage me to buy your other system. If anything it pushes me further away and makes me tempted to buy an Xbox instead.

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And that is a trend popularised by Rosalina.

Seriously, go back to before 2007. The only "strong female characters" were completely unrealistic, or were sexualised anyway, if not completely pretentious and fit under very generic archetypes. Then Rosalina swoops in, and suddenly in 2008, we're seeing all of these games with major selling points being that they feature female characters with fictionally strong and badass elements, yet still have agency and a sense of normalcy about them since then. Rosalina popularized this. She may not have directly inspired the creation of future characters, but she set an unconcious standard that other characters should live up to. This is nothing new to Nintendo either, they set standards with Mario all of the time, and the Galaxy games did this in spades, including Rosalina.

You obviously haven't heard of Alyx Vance. She did the same thing three years prior. and Half Life 2 arguably has had a much bigger impact on the gaming industry than Galaxy has.

Jade from Beyond Good and Evil, Aerith from FFVII, and Elena Fisher from Uncharted are more examples of characters that did this before Rosalina did.

EDIT: got seriously ninja'd. back on topic.

Isn't MGSV being shown at E3 this year? I'm really excited for that game.

And speaking of Half Life, I've also become one of the people that so desperately wants Half Life 3 after finishing Half Life 2 almost a year and a half ago. That's pretty much my dream E3 game announcement besides Fallout 4. and maybe Cave Story 2.

lol Alyx is a terrible example of a female character. She's one of those "pretentious" ones I mentioned.

Aerith and Elena are good characters but they are overly reliant on the man and that defines their character. Elena is Nate's Peach, she just happens to be more endearing. Same with Aerith being Cloud's/Zack's Peach.

Anyway we've moved on from that de-railment, please don't try to do it again.

EDIT: In terms of Non-Nintendo stuff, I look forward to seeing more about the new Gravity Rush. I also wouldn't mind an LBP Karting 2, since the first game never really got the chance in the limelight it deserved.

Rare is also supposed to be bringing back an old IP at E3, with many guessing Banjo-Kazooie. I think it will be Battletoads though.

Either way, it likely won't be a good thing. Poor Conker, I still mourn for you... :c

Oh and Ace Attorney 6 would be cool, hopefully BRINGING BACK MAYA AND GUMSHOE. >:(
The Great Ace Attorney looks cool too though, since it''s basically a spiritual successor to the Layton crossover.

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lol Alyx is a terrible example of a female character. She's one of those "pretentious" ones I mentioned.

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whatever, i'll pretend i didn't read that. not worth arguing about.

also, is Gravity Rush really worth getting a Vita? I've heard a lot of good things about it and apparently people in this topic want to see more of it.

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Not so much an opinion so much as it is the truth. I don't know why people ignore the many writing flaws she represents, like you just did with your "I'll pretend I didn't read that" comment. And people tell me I'm overly fanatic about Rosalina...

Gravity Rush isn't worth getting a Vita over, but if there are other games on the Vita you want to get, then you should get it too.

They'll probably just eventually re-master it for PS4 eventually, though. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the sequel is on PS4 and comes bundled with a remaster of the original, or something.

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Not so much an opinion so much as it is the truth. I don't know why people ignore the many writing flaws she represents, like you just did with your "I'll pretend I didn't read that" comment. And people tell me I'm overly fanatic about Rosalina...

Gravity Rush isn't worth getting a Vita over, but if there are other games on the Vita you want to get, then you should get it too.

They'll probably just eventually re-master it for PS4 eventually, though. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the sequel is on PS4 and comes bundled with a remaster of the original, or something.

It's already rated in South Korea for a release on PS4, so it's likely we'll be getting it as well.

Let's move any debate over this "Rosalina inspired strong female characters in gaming" over here.
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Anywho, I'm really hoping we get gameplay for Assassin's Creed Syndicate and Star Wars Battlefront this E3.

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Not so much an opinion so much as it is the truth. I don't know why people ignore the many writing flaws she represents, like you just did with your "I'll pretend I didn't read that" comment. And people tell me I'm overly fanatic about Rosalina...

Gravity Rush isn't worth getting a Vita over, but if there are other games on the Vita you want to get, then you should get it too.

They'll probably just eventually re-master it for PS4 eventually, though. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the sequel is on PS4 and comes bundled with a remaster of the original, or something.

I said that because i'd rather not get into another argument. I could get into a whole paragraph on why she is a well-written character and why she had just as much of an impact on the game industry as the rest of Half-Life 2 but we've already argued in this topic enough.

And i'm sorry if I came off as argumentative in my past posts, I really was trying to have a calm and constructive debate about the whole Rosalina thing.

is there anything else on Vita besides that and Terraway that makes a Vita worth owning though?

EDIT: ninja'd again, now there's a topic to talk about that instead. scratch that pm thing i said. How do you guys keep doing this to me?

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Not so much an opinion so much as it is the truth. I don't know why people ignore the many writing flaws she represents, like you just did with your "I'll pretend I didn't read that" comment. And people tell me I'm overly fanatic about Rosalina...

Gravity Rush isn't worth getting a Vita over, but if there are other games on the Vita you want to get, then you should get it too.

They'll probably just eventually re-master it for PS4 eventually, though. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the sequel is on PS4 and comes bundled with a remaster of the original, or something.

I said that because i'd rather not get into another argument. I could get into a whole paragraph on why she is a well-written character and why she had just as much of an impact on the game industry as the rest of Half-Life 2 but we've already argued in this topic enough.

And i'm sorry if I came off as argumentative in my past posts, I really was trying to have a calm and constructive debate about the whole Rosalina thing.

is there anything else on Vita besides that and Terraway that makes a Vita worth owning though?

EDIT: ninja'd again, now there's a topic to talk about that instead. How do you guys keep doing this to me?

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Assassin's Creed Liberation and PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale are basically why I bought a Vita. Plus you can use it as a second screen controller for the PS4.

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Rare is also supposed to be bringing back an old IP at E3, with many guessing Banjo-Kazooie. I think it will be Battletoads though.

Either way, it likely won't be a good thing. Poor Conker, I still mourn for you... :c

Conker made a cameo in the trailer for Project Spark. He's not entirely out of the question.

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also, is Gravity Rush really worth getting a Vita? I've heard a lot of good things about it and apparently people in this topic want to see more of it.

Not for Gravity Rush alone, but it's one of the standout titles the system has to offer. The Vita as a whole though, especially nowadays, is a system for niche titles (often Japanese) and indie games. There's a pretty decent backlog of AAA titles but if you get the system you have to remember that you likely won't see those anymore.

If you have any Vita questions throw them my way. And there are a good bit of stuff worth getting on it depending on what you like.

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They'll probably just eventually re-master it for PS4 eventually, though. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the sequel is on PS4 and comes bundled with a remaster of the original, or something.

I desperately hope not. Vita fans have been ****ed over so many times already with Tearaway moving to PS4 and Final Fantasy Type-0 coming to PS4 due to popular demand (even though all that demand was for a Vita port, NOT PS4). Gravity Rush 2 being a PS4 exclusive will be a massive middle finger to those who invested in the system and kept it going even after everyone else gave up on it.

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Not so much an opinion so much as it is the truth. I don't know why people ignore the many writing flaws she represents, like you just did with your "I'll pretend I didn't read that" comment. And people tell me I'm overly fanatic about Rosalina...

Gravity Rush isn't worth getting a Vita over, but if there are other games on the Vita you want to get, then you should get it too.

They'll probably just eventually re-master it for PS4 eventually, though. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the sequel is on PS4 and comes bundled with a remaster of the original, or something.

I said that because i'd rather not get into another argument. I could get into a whole paragraph on why she is a well-written character and why she had just as much of an impact on the game industry as the rest of Half-Life 2 but we've already argued in this topic enough.

And i'm sorry if I came off as argumentative in my past posts, I really was trying to have a calm and constructive debate about the whole Rosalina thing.

is there anything else on Vita besides that and Terraway that makes a Vita worth owning though?

EDIT: ninja'd again, now there's a topic to talk about that instead. How do you guys keep doing this to me?

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Assassin's Creed Liberation and PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale are basically why I bought a Vita. Plus you can use it as a second screen controller for the PS4.

But Liberation was horrible.

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Conker made a cameo in the trailer for Project Spark. He's not entirely out of the question.

That wasn't a cameo, that was an announcement for a Conker themed DLC that actually just came out.

The reason I mourn for him is BECAUSE that DLC came out, though...

I don't think him having DLC in Project Spark rules out the possibility that he comes back. But I do think that of all the IPs Rare could bring back, he's probably lower priority.

No you don't understand.

I don't trust the current Rare, or Microsoft, with any of the old Rare IPs.

That's why I backed Yooka-Laylee with nearly €100 behind my pledge.

Speaking of that game, I look forward to hearing more of that at E3. And watching Kirkhope play a ukulele.

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I said that because i'd rather not get into another argument. I could get into a whole paragraph on why she is a well-written character and why she had just as much of an impact on the game industry as the rest of Half-Life 2 but we've already argued in this topic enough.

And i'm sorry if I came off as argumentative in my past posts, I really was trying to have a calm and constructive debate about the whole Rosalina thing.

is there anything else on Vita besides that and Terraway that makes a Vita worth owning though?

EDIT: ninja'd again, now there's a topic to talk about that instead. How do you guys keep doing this to me?

It's because I can see the future.
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Assassin's Creed Liberation and PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale are basically why I bought a Vita. Plus you can use it as a second screen controller for the PS4.

But Liberation was horrible.

Since when?????

i hope we get a pokemon z or x2, y2 game this e3.

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Assassin's Creed Liberation and PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale are basically why I bought a Vita. Plus you can use it as a second screen controller for the PS4.

But Liberation was horrible.

Since when?????

Since I played it and traded it in not even a month after getting it because imo it had some **** gameplay.

.... So if Rare is apparently bringing up and old franchise.... does this mean that I can hope for Conker....? even though it's not likely...? :D

I'm also hoping for more Yoshi, since I can never have too much Yoshi.

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that trend started YEARS before Rosalina came to the Mario series. If anything that trend started with characters like Samus Aran, Lara Croft, and Jill Valentine to name a few.

Actually, it didn't. They were not nearly as developed as Rosalina when they debuted, and they were all heavily sexualised anyway later on. Samus literally became an abused object of a woman in Other M, and Lara Croft is only recently redeeming herself.

just wanted to say that midna, zelda's incarnations from tww (tetra) and tp, impa and alice from american mcgee's alice would like to have a word with you

i also would like to mention all the female characters from the spyro franchise and crash franchise and amaterasu from okami, since they may not be human but they're still female characters

sorry i know this conversation is no longer being discussed but i'm disappointed that these characters haven't been mentioned.

I don't get all the Conker hype. I honestly didn't think it was that great in the gameplay department. Sure the writing and references set it apart from other stuff on the N64, but it didn't mean much if I didn't enjoy playing it. <.<;

I hope all the companies do great this year.

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I don't get all the Conker hype. I honestly didn't think it was that great in the gameplay department. Sure the writing and references set it apart from other stuff on the N64, but it didn't mean much if I didn't enjoy playing it. <.<;

To each their own. I thought the gameplay was great, and I like how even the level design had adults in mind (it's meant to be much harder than your average kids platformer because it's actually made for adults).

^ lmao I played Conker when I was like, 7. I somehow turned out okay. The part I was literally the most disturbed by was the part where you had to squish the baby dinosaur. xD
But yeah I couldn't even complete the game and found it too hard. I got through it by pretty much cheating and just playing the chapters instead, since there was a store on the game that was completed.

But yeah I think I love it mainly because of more childhood/nostalgia reasons. I also feel that the ending opens up for a sequel. I heard that they were originally going to do a much more brutal ending that involves Conker committing suicide but decided not to because of sequel possibilities...

How bout some of my hopes that almost certainly won't happen to help this topic? (and some that might) *insert weird face here*


Like this will happen

Hmmm.....

Fire Emblem If being pushed up to a December release and more info. in general.
Infinity 3.0 reveals release date (please be 8-20-15 like Saturn said) as well as more fig. reveals (BETTER BE BOBA FETT DAMMIT!!!!!!...lol).
Skylanders 5 gameplay.
Lego Dimensions to announce Star Wars and Marvel Sets (total wish and realize the likelihood is slim).
Hasbro to reveal some kind of Toys to Life game involving Gi Joe and Transformers.

i hope for another nice and long mgsv trailer, that is assuming konami didnt **** the bed on that too out of spite for kojima

how about a remastered super mario sunshine 1 AND super mario sunshine 2 kinds what nintendo did with beyonneta

Bloodborne Expansion trailer PLEASE :D

http://www.nintendoworldreport...5-says-miyamoto

This is an old article, but it might be relevant.

Rayman confirmed for smash
Mewtwo amiibo shown off.

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http://www.nintendoworldreport...5-says-miyamoto

This is an old article, but it might be relevant.

Spin off's...

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Rayman confirmed for smash
Mewtwo amiibo shown off.

Rayman thing was fake

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Rayman confirmed for smash
Mewtwo amiibo shown off.

You're more likely to see Ryu and Roy.

*praying for more footage of the ps4 godzilla game and get it confirmed for other systems*

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Rayman confirmed for smash
Mewtwo amiibo shown off.

You're more likely to see Ryu and Roy.

As cool as it would be to have Ryu, Normal-B to Hadouken and Up-B to Shoryuken is so lame lol.

I don't really know if I want Ryu in Smash either. Something about it doesn't seem right.

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I don't really know if I want Ryu in Smash either. Something about it doesn't seem right.

It's about as right as Pac-Man and Sonic being in Smash.

Sonic being in Smash makes sense because of the huge Nintendo/Sega rivalry.

And Pac-Man..............................he's Pac-Man he should be in every game.

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Sonic being in Smash makes sense because of the huge Nintendo/Sega rivalry.

And Pac-Man..............................he's Pac-Man he should be in every game.

lol no

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I don't really know if I want Ryu in Smash either. Something about it doesn't seem right.

It's about as right as Pac-Man and Sonic being in Smash.

Or Snake... That really was a wtf when I saw that reveal that I did not expect.