darkSpyro

I saw that on eBay: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Skyland...=item35e5cb8f11

Seems like a custom paint, but the description of the item says otherwise and I'm curious if this could be a legit chase variant?

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CONFIRMED: It's not real, Activision states that they have never made a Double Trouble variant like this.

i think custom dont think they even ship out double trouble anymore for spyros adventure

ID SAY FAKE.....but whirlwind and camo came out years after SSA sooo who knows.

Looks perfectly sealed to me, but who knows

At that starting price, and complete lack of information - stay away!
Sellers have sold customs before believing (or lying) that they were real.

If I remember correctly, Whirlwind came out around this time during TT. At first it was thought to be fake, and was outside the US.
Just saying, time will tell.
Chris4Bob can let us know if this is the real thing?

Even if it is real(of witch it isn't)...theres no way in hell i would or anyone else would/should pay 2 grand for a $200 to $500 max figure.

If its not on the official skylanders characters .com list , it never existed .

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If its not on the official skylanders characters .com list , it never existed .

That's not an official website.

Wow i had no idea . Oops . Well its good enough for me .

I asked him some info, where he got it, if he knows how many were made, etc. He answered:

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I have got this from an old collector as a gift.

Its real and original.

But I got some finnancial problem thats why I am selling it.

I never asked him how many there are of the golden double trouble.

Thanks.

The full stops are too suspicious, CLOSE THE TOPIC!

Telling people to close the topic is kinda silly with so many mods around to check it.
And OP, ,the seller will say whatever to sell figures for that value. I've also seen customs with almost seamless sealing.

"Its real and original"

Er.. no. Red flags are up because of how vague the seller is.

I'll see if I can get a response if it's real or not. I'm *pretty* sure this is fake, though.

The staff is glued pretty high up. I would lean towards fake just based on that particular figure being chosen.

If it's fake, then someone pulled a fast one on the guy. Look at the rest of his stuff that is up for sale and he has all sorts of rares which indicates he is a collector. His sales history is more of the same. I'm finding it unlikely the seller made a fake one but perhaps wherever he got it done so. It could really be legit, but I've read that the gold varients were faked a lot which is why they stopped doing them.

He is not even a top rated seller . I know a little something about posting goodies overseas and that man is asking at least double the postage fee for speed mail worldwide .

Quote: Dark fhoenix

He is not even a top rated seller . I know a little something about posting goodies overseas and that man is asking at least double the postage fee for speed mail worldwide .

Hoolly moly, you're right about that. 50 Euros is nothing reasonable you could ask for shipping fee when the figure fits on your palm. Heck, 20 to 40 dollars is usually the area of reasonable to ship things to Brazil(which comparing the US and Canada shouldn't change that much), and those are for options with tracking - AND, because of the value the seller is giving it, you're probably going to get customs fees and pay even more. That's the level of expensive for a Metallic Purple Cynder,not a random gold chase variant.

question: when a chase variant is placed on the portal; it appears in its models skin? As in this figurine in particular would appear in champagne gold, in game?

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question: when a chase variant is placed on the portal; it appears in its models skin? As in this figurine in particular would appear in champagne gold, in game?

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If someone asked the selling to provide gameplay of it we would be able to tell if it's fake or not as when placed on the portal, above it's name it would say 'special' if it's real. However, I suspect that it's a fake.

Activision did a lot of learning on Spyro's Adventure.

Every full solid variant like this NEVER show up in game as figure (even to this day)--only in game variants do that. In addition, and this is true only in Spyro's Adventure: it doesn't show up as "special" or "rare" in game that would at least let one know it was a variant. In addition, the first game made use of solid gold/chrome colors, which were easy to counterfeit. In Giants and above, variants show "special" when placed on the portal. The full paint practice was stopped after Spyro's Adventure to make it difficult / if not impossible for someone to counterfeit, because even if they get the paint correct the chip would give them away.

So in effect, there's no way to "really" know if this is real or not (and I think the seller knows this and is banking on gullible buyers)...suffice to say I wouldn't bite. Activision has made it difficult for true collectors as they've released variants of figures for games long since past - Red Camo and clear Whirlwind comes to mind. They are legit AND there's no information about this on their website. It took a friend of a friend and Matteomax to confirm them. Spyro variants are dicey at best because there's no in game verification that can happen-only Giants variants and forward.

It would be odd if this is confirmed to be real. (Still waiting on the verdict).

I mean, where could this have originated from? Given out at an event? Gift to an employee? One of a kind prototype?

There was a very similar situation to this, concerning a Gold Warnado. Someone on Amazon was selling it for $400. You could plainly see red paint near its mouth. There was a huge discussion about it on here until I got confirmation that it was fake.


I can also recall another similar situation: a loose Gold Stump Smash showed up on eBay, and the seller was claiming that only 30 existed. It nearly sold for over $300 before it was taken down from eBay. The seller was also very suspicious; his behavior towards people who messaged him about it was very child-like.

I'm sure if the seller provided game play footage, it would just be SSA so there would still be no way to tell.

Was the Whirlwind variant, whatever it was, real?

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I'm sure if the seller provided game play footage, it would just be SSA so there would still be no way to tell.

It would make no difference what game he provided footage from - every single variant from Spyro's Adventure shows up in-game the exact same as the base figure.

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Was the Whirlwind variant, whatever it was, real?

Yup, from an obscure promotion. But that (and the Camo) were also seen in promotional material.
The DT could be real, but it all points to fake without real proof.

Giants footage would work because of the Special tag, but if he's selling his entire collection it's hard to tell if he even has the games anymore. At least from experience it's easier to sell games than their acessories.

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Looks perfectly sealed to me, but who knows

Under normal conditions, the glue on these packages has a tendency to just stop working after a couple years, making it easy to pull off and reattach the plastic cover without any sign of it.

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Giants footage would work because of the Special tag[...]

No, it wouldn't. SSA figures did not have special tags. It's not a matter of them just not showing up in SSA - They simply DO NOT HAVE THEM.

I'd be more concerned with the legitimacy of this figure if it *did* have a special tag.

The most you could hope for (outside of official word from Activision/TFB) would be that it starts on Level 5/2100 gold, but that could pretty easily be faked - or he could just level it up beyond level 5 with a bunch of gold and say it is that way because he used it in-game. (not to mention the first SSA Variants didn't even have *that* going for them...)

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Quote: Bifrost

Giants footage would work because of the Special tag[...]

No, it wouldn't. SSA figures did not have special tags. It's not a matter of them just not showing up in SSA - They simply DO NOT HAVE THEM.

I'd be more concerned with the legitimacy of this figure if it *did* have a special tag.

The most you could hope for (outside of official word from Activision/TF would be that it starts on Level 5/2100 gold, but that could pretty easily be faked - or he could just level it up beyond level 5 with a bunch of gold and say it is that way because he used it in-game. (not to mention the first SSA Variants didn't even have *that* going for them...)

Correct. Go and get the Chrome Spyro E3, Purple Glitter Cynder from Toy Fair 2012, Pearl Hex from Germany, all of the gold and chrome and clear and GITD variants, red drill sergeant or blue bash or red camo and NONE of them will ring up special or rare on ANY game. They all ring up as the normal version of the character.

As I indicated above, they fixed this on all variants starting in Giants.

Monkeying with the Level and Gold can be done with the editor (while not impacting time on portal etc) however you would have to take ownership of the figure. All of this is easy to manipulate. The Rare/special tag is on a read only part of the chip and is more difficult to manipulate. I'm personally not aware of a way to modify that part of the chip, but I don't make this kind of stuff my life's mission. And, if they did, that would be a red flag because that is contrary to how Activision handled variants for all of Spyro's Adventure.

This is why I never bothered to complete my variant collection in Spyro's Adventure. There's simply too much risk even with the known variants.

EDIT: Everything else in his listings look legit, so it "appears" he's either been duped by another seller or is trying to get this one through with all of the other legit listings. Hard to tell intent.

It's also been four years since S1 DT was released,too,so even if the package can be pulled out easily it also doesn't automatically mean it's a fake.
Still don't trust that shipping price,though,I so don't recommend buying it.

Tell me about it. I bought another Swap Force set for myself and 1 out of 3 was unboxed for me when I opened the box!

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Monkeying with the Level and Gold can be done with the editor (while not impacting time on portal etc) however you would have to take ownership of the figure. All of this is easy to manipulate. The Rare/special tag is on a read only part of the chip and is more difficult to manipulate. I'm personally not aware of a way to modify that part of the chip, but I don't make this kind of stuff my life's mission.

You can edit the level/gold without taking ownership. I don't think any of the "released" programs really support it though.

I don't *think* you can edit the rare/special flag at all - but I think you could get a blank RFID tag and write all the Skylanders information onto it (with the rare/special flag set) so far as I know (which is fairly limited). If not for the fact that a select few have worked so hard to run those off the forum that actually know this stuff, they could probably chime in with more information to help protect collectors...

CONFIRMED: It's not real, Activision states that they have never made a Double Trouble variant like this.

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Quote: Dark fhoenix

He is not even a top rated seller . I know a little something about posting goodies overseas and that man is asking at least double the postage fee for speed mail worldwide .

Hoolly moly, you're right about that. 50 Euros is nothing reasonable you could ask for shipping fee when the figure fits on your palm. Heck, 20 to 40 dollars is usually the area of reasonable to ship things to Brazil(which comparing the US and Canada shouldn't change that much), and those are for options with tracking - AND, because of the value the seller is giving it, you're probably going to get customs fees and pay even more. That's the level of expensive for a Metallic Purple Cynder,not a random gold chase variant.

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Still don't trust that shipping price,though,I so don't recommend buying it.

While I'm not here to defend the seller's exorbitant asking shipping price, as someone who has recently sold on eBay, however, I certainly understand his logic and reasoning. My guess is that most of you will look at that price and will assume that he is greedy and charging a premium simply because he can, because IF the figure turns out to be authentic, then chances are there's that one person who will pay... including $56.77 in shipping (at least to my house).

No, the above comments caught my attention because I've grown tired of the way eBay protects the buyers anymore and arms a fraudulent individual who can easily manipulate eBay's ridiculous 30 day buyer protection money back guarantee policy they have in place. Realize that if the seller sold his item (again assuming it's genuine, and let's also assume it's nearly irreplaceable) and the buyer for ANY reason wanted to return that item within 30 days... even if the seller states that they don't honor returns, eBay would ultimately give the buyer their full money back and make the seller pay for return postage! In many cases, the seller doesn't even know what the exact condition is of the item. So... imagine having this rare, nearly one of a kind item that you sold and a fraudulent person who had buyers remorse of spending $2k on a Golden Double Trouble decided to peel back the clear bubble from the cardboard backing and claimed that it arrived that way. Guess who would be stuck with that cost!? I realize that most people simply see outrageous prices when they peruse eBay listings, but eBay and their twisted policies have most certainly driven sellers to take measures such as increasing price (all the way around) to account for the nonsense that does certainly occur.

I also realize that some will read this and will never have experienced a fraudulent person on eBay and will not agree with raising prices. To this I say, may your good fortune continue as long as you do business...

Quote: Matteomax

CONFIRMED: It's not real, Activision states that they have never made a Double Trouble variant like this.

Ok thanks for checking. I think we should report this item. What is the best Report Category/Reason for Report/Detailed Reason in this case?

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Quote: Matteomax

CONFIRMED: It's not real, Activision states that they have never made a Double Trouble variant like this.

Ok thanks for checking. I think we should report this item. What is the best Report Category/Reason for Report/Detailed Reason in this case?

Well, it should be reported as a counterfeit/fake item. That's the main category this item fits into.

Quote: Matteomax

CONFIRMED: It's not real, Activision states that they have never made a Double Trouble variant like this.

::puts on tin foil hat::

Matteomax is just saying this to lower the interest in the figure so he can snag it from the seller at a super-cheap price.

Well, looks like there's yet another fake that has hit eBay, a "Silver Scorp." First time I've seen more than one obvious fake on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/skylan...=item4d2e5b873e

someone is getting desperate for money by the look of it...