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Who ever calls the shots for the release schedules has a special place in Hell reserved just for them. I mean seriously we have both Water Trap Masters, both Tech and both Earth. We have no magic and the same Air that comes in the 3DS starter...seriously WTF?!? I am having fun with the game itself but so much about the quality of life changes (for the worse) and the launch/release is pissing me off.

It's a shame you won't be able to do every bit of every level in the game and be done with it in a week.

Seriously, what's wrong with them holding something back a little while, why be anxious to close it off so fast and then just have figure collecting to do? When you finally get a Magic Trap Master in Wave 3, it will be more than just a new playable character, you will also have some new content.

I will never get why people are so anxious to get bored with this game. Or the people that get upset that they have to buy figures for a game that is all about buying figures. If you want a fully open game where every character and every level is available for no extra charge there are plenty of them out there, Diablo 3 Ultimate is an excellent choice.

I get that people don't like the extreme amount of stuff to buy as a collector, but for this game you can get by with 7 additional Trap Masters and just the Adventure Packs if simply seeing the levels is your goal. The Newlanders/ Variants/Reposes/Minis/Traps don't get you any new level content and can be skipped if you like. I've personally put MANY of those on my "not this time" list. My selection in the cart was quite modest compared to the others I saw there Saturday.

Couldn't agree more.

I wonder if there was so much hurry when SA came out too...
Unless a character of each Element was out D1... Cannot remember well, unfortunately...

Also, following the Internet logic, the same persons who are complaining about that would probably do the exact same thing if they released a Trap Master of each Element at D1, because "we won't have any reason to go buy anything else, and the game won't last long enough!".

Games will never be satisfied...

Hmmm that's interesting that that's all you got from my post. I'm in no hurry to complete the game. Nowhere did I say I wanted to complete the game now so I could whine and complain about having nothing to do. I was questioning the logic of releasing a surplus of certain elements while some have only a duplicate option or nothing at all. This game also thrives on replays so there's that. I'm not anxious about anything. I have a personal problem with things that seem illogical and this game is screaming with it. As I also said I'm having fun with the game. I'm just asking why they couldn't have had a little more balance in their releases. I don't think that's unreasonable. I just beat Chef Pepperjack so that tells you about my pacing. They are already gating a fair bit of content behind the whole "Light/Dark" elemental gates conspiracy plus another Adventure pack so we are all in the same boat. Again would it have killed them to release a Magic Element Trap Master instead of a second Water, Tech or Earth...I doubt it. My gripe is about having the choice and making the speed kill. I am also a fairly savvy MMO player so I know alllllllll about waiting for content. I'm just questioning their release choices.

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Quote: CountMoneyBone

holden back an adventure pack i see no problem with but when you have played the game for 6 months and cant get in that trap master port for a hat or a soulgem so you could finish your skylanders move set or improve speed with the hat... thats max irritating.

Besides, what does it matter, I thought you were done with Skylanders because of patches or something?

Pretty sure that was me, not Count Monkey Bone ☺

Quote: defpally

I will never get why people are so anxious to get bored with this game. Or the people that get upset that they have to buy figures for a game that is all about buying figures.

This, all the way; well said!
I think it's a symptom of many gamers' ADHD and/or OCD. People often get all bent about waiting for a game's release date, and then once it's released, they seemingly just want to "complete" the game ASAP, presumably so they can go be anxious/anticipatory for another game's release date.

Kind of ridiculous.
Smell the roses, or something, folks.

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I will never get why people are so anxious to get bored with this game. Or the people that get upset that they have to buy figures for a game that is all about buying figures.

This, all the way; well said!
I think it's a symptom of many gamers' ADHD and/or OCD. People often get all bent about waiting for a game's release date, and then once it's released, they seemingly just want to "complete" the game ASAP, presumably so they can go be anxious/anticipatory for another game's release date.

Kind of ridiculous.
Smell the roses, or something, folks.

Ooooor maybe people want to be able to complete the game they spent 100+ dollars on. Get off your high horse and stop being an amateur psychologist.

All this *****ing about people bringing up their grievances about Trap Team is obnoxious. You are not an 'entitled gamer' for having complaints, especially when this is the most pay wall-ifed Skylanders game yet. Completely invalidating older Skylanders was just an all around scummy move. Despite those of you who will support this series no matter what crap they hand you in a bag, most people are going to get burnt out on the series, especially with current practices. Acti ran Guitar Hero into the ground and they're going to do the same. I've seen quite a few people who are not going to buy Trap Team thanks to the combination of requiring one new Trap Master of every element, making the rest useless, the removal of heroic challenges, removing PVP when even after the constant request for online PVP, and the list goes on. It's not 'gamer entitlement' or just 'those people that will complain about everything', these are legitimate complaints. If they keep things the way they're going, they're going to drive a lot of people away from Skylanders. Honestly, they already are.

Funny thing is I truthfully dont remember anybody hardcore complaining that they could unlock everything day 1 with giants.

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Funny thing is I truthfully dont remember anybody hardcore complaining that they could unlock everything day 1 with giants.

To my knowledge everything was plain old elemental gates and feats of Giant Strength that could be done by any Giant. No one complained because you could do the entire game on day one if you truly wanted to.

And this is why i lost all my interest... i don't feel like ruining more money just to get 8 trap masters, 8 traps, 2 of the new element (and most likely 2 new traps) just to 100% a game..

Easy Easy, i think many of old fans are so frustrated that they need to explain it somewere.
And all the arguments "I don't understand why you don't just "shut up and take my money" "
doesn't help in this legitimate frustration.

We have spoken of the pvp, some said bah not important, we have spoken about heroics/quests, bah irrevelant again.
We talked about bugs, nar never existed with patch. We have pointed the lack of evolution of old figs, bah just buy new ones.
We were thrilled about sidekick but in reallity it's just copy/paste of 16 serie 1, what to do if you already got them?

The surprise to HAVE to get 7 other trap "slow motion" masters to get not skipable content (skills of our pokemons)
is the final blow of a ridiculous marketing strategy.
We are about 200 bucks for minimal requirements. It's quite a bit for a 8 hours story game and repetitive kaos mode for the caricature.
It's OK if we do it of our own,
but here, it's a forced choise unless you want to miss important stuff.

It's more complicated than "hey we don't have all the figs day 1".
We can exprim freely our feelings.

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Quote: defpally

I will never get why people are so anxious to get bored with this game. Or the people that get upset that they have to buy figures for a game that is all about buying figures.

This, all the way; well said!
I think it's a symptom of many gamers' ADHD and/or OCD. People often get all bent about waiting for a game's release date, and then once it's released, they seemingly just want to "complete" the game ASAP, presumably so they can go be anxious/anticipatory for another game's release date.

Kind of ridiculous.
Smell the roses, or something, folks.

Ooooor maybe people want to be able to complete the game they spent 100+ dollars on. Get off your high horse and stop being an amateur psychologist.

All this *****ing about people bringing up their grievances about Trap Team is obnoxious. You are not an 'entitled gamer' for having complaints, especially when this is the most pay wall-ifed Skylanders game yet. Completely invalidating older Skylanders was just an all around scummy move. Despite those of you who will support this series no matter what crap they hand you in a bag, most people are going to get burnt out on the series, especially with current practices. Acti ran Guitar Hero into the ground and they're going to do the same. I've seen quite a few people who are not going to buy Trap Team thanks to the combination of requiring one new Trap Master of every element, making the rest useless, the removal of heroic challenges, removing PVP when even after the constant request for online PVP, and the list goes on. It's not 'gamer entitlement' or just 'those people that will complain about everything', these are legitimate complaints. If they keep things the way they're going, they're going to drive a lot of people away from Skylanders. Honestly, they already are.

i agree with this one... i am one of them that are not gonna buy trap team. i am now waiting for skylanders5 and hoping vv do the right thing.

You know, here is my take:

If you have legitimate issues with the game, as most of us have to a varying degrees, why not take those directly to TfB? Try writing a well-intentioned email. Many of the issues aren't beyond fixing via a patch or a 2.0 update, even if that isn't the way TfB have historically done things. Some of us have spent thousands on this franchise- and with any service you pay for, a certain amount of customer support and satisfaction is expected.

But don't expect much: in the end, it isn't the die hard collectors that keep this franchise going, but the family / casual user and the kids who love the characters. If TfB do not realize there is an issue, then they will simply gauge whether they did it right by virtue of sales numbers alone - a number not likely to be drastically different from a handfull of disgruntled adult fans. That being said, an individual letter speaks louder than a littany of complaints on a fan forum site.

Quote: FaboulousFab

Easy Easy, i think many of old fans are so frustrated that they need to explain it somewere.
And all the arguments "I don't understand why you don't just "shut up and take my money" "
doesn't help in this legitimate frustration.

We have spoken of the pvp, some said bah not important, we have spoken about heroics/quests, bah irrevelant again.
We talked about bugs, nar never existed with patch. We have pointed the lack of evolution of old figs, bah just buy new ones.
We were thrilled about sidekick but in reallity it's just copy/paste of 16 serie 1, what to do if you already got them?

The surprise to HAVE to get 7 other trap "slow motion" masters to get not skipable content (skills of our pokemons)
is the final blow of a ridiculous marketing strategy.
We are about 200 bucks for minimal requirements. It's quite a bit for a 8 hours story game and repetitive kaos mode for the caricature.
It's OK if we do it of our own,
but here, it's a forced choise unless you want to miss important stuff.

It's more complicated than "hey we don't have all the figs day 1".
We can exprim freely our feelings.

THIS !!!!!

Funny thing is, if they wouldn't have pay-walled the elemental gates, I probably would have broken down and bought every non-reposed character again.

@TemperedReason - I intended to do what you suggested, I really want them to know they took it too far this time. But I couldn't find and address, an email address, a phone number.. Nothing.

here is info... im gonna write a letter right now..

http://www.yellowpages.com/nov...or-bob-15952694
http://www.mobygames.com/company/toys-for-bob-inc
http://www.macraesbluebook.com...?company=752969

there is no point in contacting activision, they will for sure not read your letters or care about your complain....

Poor assumptions about my 'irk'.

I'm not 'powering through everything'...even if I had magic would I 'power through everything' so I can complain about length - no. As it stands I'm only on the level after pepperjack - hardly running through it all.

But being honest
1) Enigma is this games Trap Shadow - the coolest looking character thus far
2) I just want to get into magic areas

It's REALLY that simple. And even still evne if "I" wanted to power through content, if you can 'finish' a game in under a week in ANY capacity then there is a flaw in the replay PERIOD. It is a warranted complaint at that point if the game is out on Sunday, and by the next sunday you are onto the next one 'watching video' for the new CoD or something. I said with Swap Force and stick to it - replay value shouldn't be tied to a release schedule. If Activision is so worried about replay value that they have to withhold - not content packs, but characters - to keep interest going, then maybe they should have left PvP in and added other features.

So, I'm still irked that I don't have a Magic Trap master but I have both techs, both earths, both waters, etc, and there is nothing wrong with me feeling that way.
- Unreall

Quote: Couragefan09

Ooooor maybe people want to be able to complete the game they spent 100+ dollars on. Get off your high horse and stop being an amateur psychologist.

All this *****ing about people bringing up their grievances about Trap Team is obnoxious. You are not an 'entitled gamer' for having complaints, especially when this is the most pay wall-ifed Skylanders game yet. Completely invalidating older Skylanders was just an all around scummy move. Despite those of you who will support this series no matter what crap they hand you in a bag, most people are going to get burnt out on the series, especially with current practices. Acti ran Guitar Hero into the ground and they're going to do the same. I've seen quite a few people who are not going to buy Trap Team thanks to the combination of requiring one new Trap Master of every element, making the rest useless, the removal of heroic challenges, removing PVP when even after the constant request for online PVP, and the list goes on. It's not 'gamer entitlement' or just 'those people that will complain about everything', these are legitimate complaints. If they keep things the way they're going, they're going to drive a lot of people away from Skylanders. Honestly, they already are.

Ooooor maybe people should be just more reasonable in their expectation that they can get every single thing and do every little OCD collection/checklist the second they buy the game. EVERY Skylanders game is paywalled, that's the freaking point. Content locked until you buy a figure, and guess what since the first game some of the figures aren't out until mid next year. If you are so upset about your $100 plus dollars, either accept those gated areas/characters really aren't a big deal or just stop playing the game at all.

The target audience of Skylanders is pre-teen boys, not us collectors. If you don't have one of them, then let me tell you - their attention span is remarkably short. If they don't keep them interested throughout the year they will move on VERY quickly, and not come back. That's what will harm the franchise more than any of the whining collectors that cannot OCD a collection checklist or touch every square inch of real estate right this second.

People want to be done with the game as quick as possible, then the same people will complain about being done with it and "how short it is". Gamers are such a fickle crowd, they want things their way, right now. And yes, they are entitled. OH NOES CONTENT IS ON THE DISC I CANT PLAY YET. If you don't like their terms, don't participate.

There are legitimate complaints with Trap Team. But complaining that their release schedule holds something back to discover in later Waves isn't one of them. Grow some patience.

If someone is unhappy with the way Activision is releasing the figures, they have every right to say something. Those of you who disagree with that and like the way Activision is releasing them, fine, you are free to say so, but enough complaining about someone voicing an opinion you disagree with.

Sheesh, why some people feel the need to criticize the way other people want to play a game is beyond me . . .

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If someone is unhappy with the way Activision is releasing the figures, they have every right to say something. Those of you who disagree with that and like the way Activision is releasing them, fine, you are free to say so, but enough complaining about someone voicing an opinion you disagree with.

Sheesh, why some people feel the need to criticize the way other people want to play a game is beyond me . . .

It's not that, it's the fact that some fans keep rubbing their dissatisfaction/opinions on the game in other people's faces that it can get annoying after a while.

Quote: SSj3 Derek

If someone is unhappy with the way Activision is releasing the figures, they have every right to say something. Those of you who disagree with that and like the way Activision is releasing them, fine, you are free to say so, but enough complaining about someone voicing an opinion you disagree with.

Sheesh, why some people feel the need to criticize the way other people want to play a game is beyond me . . .

Ironic given you are criticizing someone criticizing someone's criticism of the release schedule.

Are you not complaining "about someone voicing an opinion you disagree with"? The first step in stopping criticism (if that is your goal) is self awareness prior to hitting the "Post Reply" button.

Quote: CountMoneyBone

here is info... im gonna write a letter right now..

http://www.yellowpages.com/nov...or-bob-15952694
http://www.mobygames.com/company/toys-for-bob-inc
http://www.macraesbluebook.com...?company=752969

there is no point in contacting activision, they will for sure not read your letters or care about your complain....

Good stuff. I intend to write a letter as well. Although I doubt that it will have any effect, the illusion that TFB will know my dissatisfaction will be a cathartic.

On a side note, I love when people say "Just stop playing". I am a fan, I don't want to just stop playing. I want them to make things better so I can keep playing without feeling like I am being taken advantage of. In the absence of a better place to voice our displeasure, this is it. Isn't that the nature of pretty much all forums?

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Quote: Couragefan09

Ooooor maybe people want to be able to complete the game they spent 100+ dollars on. Get off your high horse and stop being an amateur psychologist.

All this *****ing about people bringing up their grievances about Trap Team is obnoxious. You are not an 'entitled gamer' for having complaints, especially when this is the most pay wall-ifed Skylanders game yet. Completely invalidating older Skylanders was just an all around scummy move. Despite those of you who will support this series no matter what crap they hand you in a bag, most people are going to get burnt out on the series, especially with current practices. Acti ran Guitar Hero into the ground and they're going to do the same. I've seen quite a few people who are not going to buy Trap Team thanks to the combination of requiring one new Trap Master of every element, making the rest useless, the removal of heroic challenges, removing PVP when even after the constant request for online PVP, and the list goes on. It's not 'gamer entitlement' or just 'those people that will complain about everything', these are legitimate complaints. If they keep things the way they're going, they're going to drive a lot of people away from Skylanders. Honestly, they already are.

Ooooor maybe people should be just more reasonable in their expectation that they can get every single thing and do every little OCD collection/checklist the second they buy the game. EVERY Skylanders game is paywalled, that's the freaking point. Content locked until you buy a figure, and guess what since the first game some of the figures aren't out until mid next year. If you are so upset about your $100 plus dollars, either accept those gated areas/characters really aren't a big deal or just stop playing the game at all.

The target audience of Skylanders is pre-teen boys, not us collectors. If you don't have one of them, then let me tell you - their attention span is remarkably short. If they don't keep them interested throughout the year they will move on VERY quickly, and not come back. That's what will harm the franchise more than any of the whining collectors that cannot OCD a collection checklist or touch every square inch of real estate right this second.

People want to be done with the game as quick as possible, then the same people will complain about being done with it and "how short it is". Gamers are such a fickle crowd, they want things their way, right now. And yes, they are entitled. OH NOES CONTENT IS ON THE DISC I CANT PLAY YET. If you don't like their terms, don't participate.

There are legitimate complaints with Trap Team. But complaining that their release schedule holds something back to discover in later Waves isn't one of them. Grow some patience.

Thank you for proving my point.

The series is going to crash and burn when the kiddies lose interest. They're going to play the game for awhile and then flat out forget that they're missing out on content when they move onto something else because Skylander Element Whatever was being held back for months after release. Then you've got parents who are going to say 'oh, I need to buy all those Skylander elements again? Oh, well. Jimmy's already has X amount of Skylanders, he can keep using those instead.' The universal sales of Skylanders is down, people are getting burnt out. And these money grubbing, paywall tactics are turning more and more players away, especially when they might already have a large collection of figures.

But go on, keep saying that it's just gamer entitlement and OCD. I'll be the one saying I told you so when Skylanders goes the way of Guitar Hero thanks to Acti's tactics. And, no, the increasingly obvious pay wall tactics were never this bad until Swap Force came around. All elements could be gotten in Spyro's Adventure day one. Giants, you were good to go if you already had one of every element because the game came with Tree Rex who could access all the Giants-only content. Then Swap Force came around requiring you to get one of every element again if you wanted to get through the double element gates and didn't have a second controller, combing it with the Swap Zones that also required one of every movement type. I personally didn't like it even back then. Now we have the Trap Masters who are in some cases required to even find the last upgrades FOR OTHER CHARACTERS YOU BOUGHT. That is scummy to no end. Combo that up with the fact that they're withholding elements, it's no wonder people are annoyed.

But go ahead, keep defending ****ty business practices. It obviously worked so well for the other series Activision ran into the ground. They're going to suck the Skylander series dry and then put it out to pasture the moment it stops making them a massive profit. I can easily see the writing on the wall and as much as I love the unique gimmick of Skylanders, the nickle and dimming is turning both me and many people away. Yes, even the parents of those demography that you think will keep buying these new figures blindly forever. Skylanders will not be the hot thing with kiddies forever and they're doing a wonderful job of bringing on the burnout as quickly as possible.

This is ridiculous on multiple fronts. Let's just end it (not the thread but the bickering)

1. The Paywall has increased since Giants. In previous threads I've detailed it, not getting into it, it's just a fact. Most likely, the trend will continue in each iteration of the game, rewarding less those with large existing collections and instead rewarding those who 'buy now'.

2. The game itself at Base more than pays for ALL the content on the disc, but having to pay an additional $100 to access 4 more levels/areas is ridiculously steep, and that doesn't delve into the trap component and the figure component. Value wise - as others have told me when talking about DI2.0 - compare it to Lego Marvel, think of how much content is simply 'unlockable', and not DLC. My point being Activision is making TONS OF MONEY on the game. It means anyone who buys any figures is essentially 'tipping' Activison with extra money for the content, thus...if someone has an issue, just like going out to dinner and the Filet mignon comes out well done (such a waste of steak) - you have every right to complain. This isn't 'buy the game for 99 cents and then buy the characters for in game fun, just like sticking with the steak, you can't complain too much about a cheeseburger from McDonald's having the pickles still on it. It was less than a dollar so just take it off yourself. so at this price point, so long as its not a dumb complaint like "man my spyro looks purple in the game", the poster has every right to it.

3. For the most part, everyone who has gotten the game seems to like it. I mean I went from trying to get by with just a few characters to literally having everything that's out now and not a repose, because I was enjoying myself...and I'm not alone in the enjoyment. Just because I enjoy it doesn't mean I can't be irked by one of the business tactics. TfB did a GREAT job with the game. The figures being staged or held out isn't new either - they did that with SF, tricking people into getting the super underwhelming StinkBomb so they could access stealth areas. The no magic thus far doesn't surprise me, it doesn't anger me, I just wished they were out, I don't view characters so much as content as I do options.

4. No one needs to get EVERYTHING. while I personally am glad at the number of figures feeling like less than last time, I understand those whom say "you don't have to get everything". When folks complain they do need to check themselves as minority or majority. Most homes who play these games own less than 10 figures - I'm basing that off what I've seen on eBay and parent's I've talked to in stores. People need to be cognoscent of that. so when talking about Activisions tactics, especially in comparison to the franchise Guitar Hero, you have to be careful. Very careful. Activision didn't abuse Guitar Hero like folks on this board claim, the problem is that EVERYONE got in on the Guitar Hero phenomenon. So instead of there being one guitar game a year or two, you had like 5, a lot of which were no name games trying to just make a few bucks off the genre. Skylanders doesn't have that issue - DI overlaps a little in the market and thus is a competitor, but not like Rockband was to Guitar Hero.

5. Skylanders will be fine. Burn out isn't an issue with their current conceptual focus. They admitted they aren't concerned about retaining old fans and are working more on bringing in new ones. That's important - it means "so what if Unreall gets burned out, we cna replace him with another person new to the series".

6. Replay should never be part of a business practice, that means the game itself doesn't hold up. Giants did just fine even though all you needed was the starter set and 5 figures from the previous entry to play everything.

So, both sides are right and wrong, if you got an issue with something in the game you can express, but you need to make sure that your issue is relative to the general population and not yourself.
- Unreall

I'm not an Activison fan. In fact I've posted many issues about the lead up and execution on this game. You are thinking like a collector, and one who wants everything served up for their consumption at their desired pace. Most kids won't have the game until Christmas, and those that do aren't going to be crying into their pillows that that magic gate is locked right now.

The WHOLE game is a paywall. Welcome to Skylanders. The Starter Pack is like buying a razor, you still need the blades to use it effectively. They want to sell razors. When you count the pack-ins, you are basically buying a full feature console game that would typically run $60 for about $30. Not exactly a free to play model, but you are getting the game disc pretty cheap.

Parents that say "Oh Jimmy has enough already" are already lost. Making content more accessible and not needing certain toys to do everything isn't going to save them. If they get to do everything and access everything, it will just reinforce that they don't need to spend anymore money on the game.

You need, at minimum, 7 additional Trap Masters to see the whole main game including gated areas. Only one of them isn't out right now. Even if you don't get those you have a little bit of content you cannot see. Oh well, if that's a deal breaker, there's the door. But 99.99% of the people that want to play Trap Team want at least some Trap Masters. A few people want just the content for their old figures sure, and there are no Soul Gems for older figures, just new ones - so if you are just in it for the levels, why do you care unless you ARE going to buy new figures? You know there is data on the disc for a whole bunch of stuff you don't get to use if you never buy anything else, why are the gated areas so vitally important that you cry foul if you can't get to it?

Look, this franchise has always been about nickel and diming us for new content. Maybe you have reached your limit, and that's perfectly fine. But the issue isn't making it so you need to buy figures to do certain things, that's always been there. People who are looking for the MINIMUM purchase aren't looking at the game from the completionist standpoint, because that's really not going to happen. You act like your shift in attitude is due to some massive shift in locking stuff away. It's you that have changed, and your justifying it by harping on minor details. Kids like it when they get a new figure that enables them to get to new areas, the first thing my kids do is go see what they can do that they could not previously.

Quote: defpally

I'm not an Activison fan. In fact I've posted many issues about the lead up and execution on this game. You are thinking like a collector, and one who wants everything served up for their consumption at their desired pace. Most kids won't have the game until Christmas, and those that do aren't going to be crying into their pillows that that magic gate is locked right now.

The WHOLE game is a paywall. Welcome to Skylanders. The Starter Pack is like buying a razor, you still need the blades to use it effectively. They want to sell razors. When you count the pack-ins, you are basically buying a full feature console game that would typically run $60 for about $30. Not exactly a free to play model, but you are getting the game disc pretty cheap.

Parents that say "Oh Jimmy has enough already" are already lost. Making content more accessible and not needing certain toys to do everything isn't going to save them. If they get to do everything and access everything, it will just reinforce that they don't need to spend anymore money on the game.

You need, at minimum, 7 additional Trap Masters to see the whole main game including gated areas. Only one of them isn't out right now. Even if you don't get those you have a little bit of content you cannot see. Oh well, if that's a deal breaker, there's the door. But 99.99% of the people that want to play Trap Team want at least some Trap Masters. A few people want just the content for their old figures sure, and there are no Soul Gems for older figures, just new ones - so if you are just in it for the levels, why do you care unless you ARE going to buy new figures? You know there is data on the disc for a whole bunch of stuff you don't get to use if you never buy anything else, why are the gated areas so vitally important that you cry foul if you can't get to it?

Look, this franchise has always been about nickel and diming us for new content. Maybe you have reached your limit, and that's perfectly fine. But the issue isn't making it so you need to buy figures to do certain things, that's always been there. People who are looking for the MINIMUM purchase aren't looking at the game from the completionist standpoint, because that's really not going to happen. You act like your shift in attitude is due to some massive shift in locking stuff away. It's you that have changed, and your justifying it by harping on minor details. Kids like it when they get a new figure that enables them to get to new areas, the first thing my kids do is go see what they can do that they could not previously.

I am one of the people that bought one of everything, not because I had to do so in order to unlock the content, because I wanted to collect the cool characters. They sold me these figures on the pretext of backward compatibility and reinforced the notion by including SOME newish content for them in the sequels. Quests, heroic quests, battle mode, level cap increases, all those are gone, and on top of that, my existing collection can't open a single locked door. Yeah, I feel cheated. Plus they are selling me the exact same figures I previously purchased (minis), and (probably) purposely packaged them with another mini I don't have, forcing me to buy it twice if I want the new one. Furthermore, they've created yet another component I need to buy in order to experience the full game.

Sure, skylanders has always been a paywall type game, but it used to be A) fair, worth it. Since their attempt to make me spend more through, alt deco figs, lightcore, dark, legendary etc. didn't work, they are now tightening the screws even harder. I have nothing against activision making money on their cool idea, but Trap Team has gone too far with paywalls and not gone far enough with the innovation, and quality of gameplay.

Do you honestly not feel like your being gouged?

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If someone is unhappy with the way Activision is releasing the figures, they have every right to say something. Those of you who disagree with that and like the way Activision is releasing them, fine, you are free to say so, but enough complaining about someone voicing an opinion you disagree with.

Sheesh, why some people feel the need to criticize the way other people want to play a game is beyond me . . .

Ironic given you are criticizing someone criticizing someone's criticism of the release schedule.

Are you not complaining "about someone voicing an opinion you disagree with"? The first step in stopping criticism (if that is your goal) is self awareness prior to hitting the "Post Reply" button.

First, you need to look up the definition of irony, since there is obviously nothing ironic about stating that disagreeing with someone if fine, attacking them because you disagree with them is not. The problem is you, among others, are attacking the person, not disagreeing with the position. And then you talk about needing self awareness before posting. Now THAT is ironic.

There is nothing wrong with expressing dissatisfaction about a product you paid money for. Saying that Activision has too many paywalls, they should have released enough characters at launch to complete the game, or that they went too far in making older characters less useful are all valid criticisms. There is also nothing wrong with saying you are fine with said paywalls, you don't care about the release times, and you don't think they went too far in making older characters less useful. But to start calling other people on here names because they criticized Activision about that is going too far. That isn't entitlement. They aren't demanding free stuff at someone else's expense, they are expressing to a party they are doing business with what they would like to see. There is nothing wrong with that.

Ultimately, this comes down to opinion. Some people prefer to get into a game and play it exclusively until they get to 100% completion. Other people will hop between games and draw out the experience. There is nothing wrong with either type of gameplay, it just a personal preference. The problem is some people are being attacked because they are in the first camp, and there's no need or excuse for that.

@ defpally

O.k. first off most collectors (that are actually collectors) know that releases come in waves for most collectable lines and not all at once. However when you collect Hotwheels or Barbie you already have 100% of the product and don't need anything else to interact with it. Skylanders does have a collector aspect to it but if you want access to everything you paid for on the disc additional purchases are REQUIRED. Now we all know this and most of us don't mind. It's simply that our previous collections don't do anything to access locked content like they've done in the last 3 out of four total installments of the franchise. It's o.k. for some to be upset at this and it's also o.k. if you don't care. I promise you that differing opinions can co-exist without the world ending.

Personally I'm a veteran collector and gamer so I get the waiting game. For me personally, my main issue is in how they handled releases this time around. By wave two we have three elements that are completely released while three others are no where to be seen or even hinted at as to when they will be released. Now waiting for a Sneak Swapper until January was annoying yes but for some reason it didn't sting as bad because our previous Skylanders could still open gates. We could focus on what we can do, not what we can't do. Now with Trap Master only gates for 3 elements that aren't released, no idea of when they'll be released, Villains that can be defeated but not used, No indication of when they will be available and reduced gaming options (no Heroics, PVP, Bonus Missions) people are bound to be upset. It's only logical. It doesn't help that TFB/Acti. wasn't very forthcoming when asked these questions at various show but only said "we aren't talking about that". In still nervous as hell to fully embrace trap knowing that they might not be usable in the next game. I am enjoying the trapping/Villain thing a lot so I'd be sad to see it go.

In regards to the attention span of children, I think you over estimate the average child's chance to give a second chance. My own daughter is already asking to play Infinity over Trap Team. The gate block pisses her off. She looks at our collection of 120 different Skylanders and doesn't understand why they won't work. Granted my 10 year old is only one of millions but I know she's not the only one disappointed. Yes we can all wait (no choice really) but don't be surprised when people voice their opinions and concerns on a forum board where others share their concerns, as well as disagree. I'm not personally trying to change anyone's mind but it's nice to know others share your concerns/opinions...My wife couldn't give a crap so I can't very well vent to her lol.

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here is info... im gonna write a letter right now..

http://www.yellowpages.com/nov...or-bob-15952694
http://www.mobygames.com/company/toys-for-bob-inc
http://www.macraesbluebook.com...?company=752969

there is no point in contacting activision, they will for sure not read your letters or care about your complain....

Good stuff. I intend to write a letter as well. Although I doubt that it will have any effect, the illusion that TFB will know my dissatisfaction will be a cathartic.

On a side note, I love when people say "Just stop playing". I am a fan, I don't want to just stop playing. I want them to make things better so I can keep playing without feeling like I am being taken advantage of. In the absence of a better place to voice our displeasure, this is it. Isn't that the nature of pretty much all forums?

Marvelous! I'm sure they were a little worried they didn't get to make that fun new wig out of any concerned consumer letters. After all, is there any better way to dance upon giant piles of money than with a wig made of people's shredded concerns?

In all seriousness though, if these people allegedly lurk these forums then they've seen our thoughts and feelings on the things that have been taken away from these games. Yet they continue to take more away that we like. I sadly doubt anything we'd have to say about what upsets us with future installments of the game will mean much.

I disagree. Lots of people complained about reposes, those have been cut down, a lot. Or, maybe you are right, and they dont care about what we say. However, on the off chance their profits get slimmer because enough of us (consumers, not forum ppl) feel gouged, perhaps they can come here, and find out the likely reasons why.

Either way, it makes me feel better to know other people are as angry as I am.

they repose another gill grunt but not ghost roaster or boomer.... they kind of listened

I would have easily taken more reposes of characters that don't have one than the pointless minis or another Gill Grunt repose number 145. Sadly, I'm sure if they would have done more reposes this year they would have just redone Spyro and the rest that keep getting reposed yet again, all while ignoring the ones that could actually benefit from it. Since they couldn't get people to buy the same characters for a fifth time that's probably why they cut back on the reposes so much and are now trying to shove mini's and Eon's Elite down everyone's throat. I would have taken a Grim Creeper or Ghost Roster repose over baby Spyro or OP collector's edition Spyro any day. Besides, who was actually rooting for a Shroomboom repose or Fryno? Not only did they cut back but they picked one character who already has three reposes, another who has a lightcore, a variant, and a series 2, yet another who has a lightcore, a legendary variant, and a series two. And two characters who aren't all that popular to begin with.

Like some others that don't mind the reposes too much, I agree that they are choosing the wrong characters to do over and over. We don't need gill grunt , trigger happy, stealth elf over and over. I would like to see Ghost Roaster, Boomer, Sun Burn, Dino Rang...one thing I can say is that I do like the jet vac and pop fizz reboots. If you're going to do a repose, instead of just changing the pose or adding a prop, change the color schemes, those ones are much better. I'm not a big fan of the obtrusive props like SF Trigger Happy, Sprocket,...The props are one reason I really don't like many of the Trap Masters (The characters are too big and their weapons are ugly looking and huge). What I do like is the core size figures that are based more on the animal/monster/robot side of things. All these humanoid/alien looking skylanders are starting to annoy me.

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First, you need to look up the definition of irony, since there is obviously nothing ironic about stating that disagreeing with someone if fine, attacking them because you disagree with them is not. The problem is you, among others, are attacking the person, not disagreeing with the position. And then you talk about needing self awareness before posting. Now THAT is ironic.

irony - a situation that is strange or funny because things happen in a way that seems to be the opposite of what you expected.

You are complaining about someone that was complaining. In other words you were attempting the high ground by doing the exact same thing (ie the opposite of what one would expect). I thought the word "hypocrite" was a tad strong (and a personal attack, which we'll get to in a sec), but own it if you like.

Not a thing I posted previously was an "attack" on anyone. I disagreed with them and stated my points. But thanks not just singling me out with your "among others" (which no one else was "attacking" anyone either, but I digress). The problem with this forum isn't the debates, it's the whining, complaining and hyperbole thrown around anytime a few people don't see eye to eye. People can disagree, even strongly, and it isn't "attacks" on each other. But, oh my, how some people act like the sky is falling if two people think different things and actually speak up.

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Quote: SSj3 Derek

First, you need to look up the definition of irony, since there is obviously nothing ironic about stating that disagreeing with someone if fine, attacking them because you disagree with them is not. The problem is you, among others, are attacking the person, not disagreeing with the position. And then you talk about needing self awareness before posting. Now THAT is ironic.

irony - a situation that is strange or funny because things happen in a way that seems to be the opposite of what you expected.

You are complaining about someone that was complaining. In other words you were attempting the high ground by doing the exact same thing (ie the opposite of what one would expect). I thought the word "hypocrite" was a tad strong (and a personal attack, which we'll get to in a sec), but own it if you like.

Not a thing I posted previously was an "attack" on anyone. I disagreed with them and stated my points. But thanks not just singling me out with your "among others" (which no one else was "attacking" anyone either, but I digress). The problem with this forum isn't the debates, it's the whining, complaining and hyperbole thrown around anytime a few people don't see eye to eye. People can disagree, even strongly, and it isn't "attacks" on each other. But, oh my, how some people act like the sky is falling if two people think different things and actually speak up.

iro·ny noun \ˈī-rə-nē also ˈī(-ə)r-nē\

: the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really think especially in order to be funny

: a situation that is strange or funny because things happen in a way that seems to be the opposite of what you expected

*le sigh* Your post was ironic because you said I needed awareness when I posted, when you misread my post completely, demonstrated that you are the one who needs self-awareness before posting, thus the result was the opposite of what you intended, which of course was pretty funny. Also, you really need to stop purposely misconstruing what happened. When other people can actually read it for themselves, it doesn't work very well. You singled yourself out with your snarky response when I made a general post, and I answered you. Talk about needing awareness before you post. And of course, I didn't use the word "hypocrite." Where do you get this stuff?

You really need to chill out. Stop attacking other people just because you don't like what they say, and definitely stop trying to put things in their mouth that they never said. It's fine to disagree, but the second you went from "I think you are wrong" to "I think you are a whiner/entitled/OCD" you crossed from disagreement to personal attack. Get a grip, there's no need for that just because someone disagrees with you.

lol guys get a room lol.

Something interesting happened recently. I went to TRU looking for Lob Star but he wasn't at TRU. They had the Cores and Reposes from Wave 2 but I didn't get them. I had them in my hands but didn't get them. Now I wanted the new Pop Fizz, Tread Head and Fist Bump but I was so stuck on the fact that ultimately they won't add anything to my collection of 120 plus "cores" I already have. Is there something wrong with em, do I need a doctor lol? Don't get me wrong I love the game so far (Just finished Lumber Mill level) but I'm weirded out by this. Frankly Lob Star wouldn't add anything since I have Snap Shot. I guess I've slipped into the "I want what I want" instead of "I need it all". I think I'm o.k. with that. I'm actually having fun playing the oldies in Trap Team. Has anyone else experienced this recently?

Interesting. Do you think this is direct correlation to the increase in Pay-Wall-ed-ness? Or is it something else?

Tigorus, I've felt the same. I had all five of the reposes in my hands Saturday night, but decided against it. I originally wanted just one Trap Master of each element so I could do all the areas, but I found I really liked the designs and size of the Trap Masters, so I'll get all 16. They are just really nice figures, and the deals made it easier.

We'll see what happens with the other Newlanders, but getting new characters isn't as hard of a choice for me. They offer new play experience.

Now on reposes, I just can't do it this time. I just picture all the other versions of them and cannot justify it. The only one I'm even considering is Gil Grunt, my son loves him and he comes in the triple pack with regular Blades and I got the Legendary Pack, so it isn't a total overlap. Still thinking on that one, particularly since I can get it for $19.99 with Gamer's Club at Best Buy. Pop Fizz would be my fifth one of him, Shroomboom my fourth, Fryno second and Jet Vac my fifth. Some of those barely get touched as is.

I think Minis are cute, who can not like Lil' Spry? But again, nothing new there. I have six Spyros already and as I hear Minis play the same as their big brother. Great deal for kids though, if they don't have them - two playable characters for less than the price of a Trap Master, and all the ones we have already have new purpose. I'd be more on board with them if they had a better release for them and it didn't double up with earlier sidekicks.

Traps are where I differ from most other people I saw buying stuff the first night. Part of the gimmick this time is trapping enemies, then using them. Seems kind of the point to have to trap them. Spending lots more money so I can trap them once then never do it again feels like a waste to me. How hard is it to level select and go get him again if you want a different one? I have the 9 traps (8 elements and Kaos), so will also need Light and Dark but other than that I feel I'm good. I know I'll miss out on some evolving, but that's fine - I already have a ton of playable options.

Variants is where I budged some this time. I was going the "no variant" path. But I ended up doing some of them, notably Dark, Legendaries and Nitro KK. Dark was just a good deal with the free Legendary Adventure pack. I wanted regular Jawbreaker, but the Legendary ended up looking far better - the single tone color scheme of the regular isn't that great. Not to mention they didn't get in many Legendary things (probably shy from last year's glut). That's also why I picked up Nitro KK. Those things are not things you can just pick up down the road if you do want them.

I'm pretty happy with the outlay so far, the deals have been good and since I'm not getting everything my son has some options if he wants to use his allowance for Minis, more Traps or Reposes. I also don't have a closet nearly as full as previous years at this point and my investment is notably less. It's weird, but when people talk about the high cost and pay wall like it is something new my cost has actually gone down, without feeling like I'm missing out on any aspect by some smart shopping and being wary of overlap. I've been highly skeptical of Trap Team in the past, but Skylanders doesn't have to be as overwhelming if you don't let it.

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Tigorus, I've felt the same. I had all five of the reposes in my hands Saturday night, but decided against it. I originally wanted just one Trap Master of each element so I could do all the areas, but I found I really liked the designs and size of the Trap Masters, so I'll get all 16. They are just really nice figures, and the deals made it easier.

We'll see what happens with the other Newlanders, but getting new characters isn't as hard of a choice for me. They offer new play experience.

Now on reposes, I just can't do it this time. I just picture all the other versions of them and cannot justify it. The only one I'm even considering is Gil Grunt, my son loves him and he comes in the triple pack with regular Blades and I got the Legendary Pack, so it isn't a total overlap. Still thinking on that one, particularly since I can get it for $19.99 with Gamer's Club at Best Buy. Pop Fizz would be my fifth one of him, Shroomboom my fourth, Fryno second and Jet Vac my fifth. Some of those barely get touched as is.

I think Minis are cute, who can not like Lil' Spry? But again, nothing new there. I have six Spyros already and as I hear Minis play the same as their big brother. Great deal for kids though, if they don't have them - two playable characters for less than the price of a Trap Master, and all the ones we have already have new purpose. I'd be more on board with them if they had a better release for them and it didn't double up with earlier sidekicks.

Traps are where I differ from most other people I saw buying stuff the first night. Part of the gimmick this time is trapping enemies, then using them. Seems kind of the point to have to trap them. Spending lots more money so I can trap them once then never do it again feels like a waste to me. How hard is it to level select and go get him again if you want a different one? I have the 9 traps (8 elements and Kaos), so will also need Light and Dark but other than that I feel I'm good. I know I'll miss out on some evolving, but that's fine - I already have a ton of playable options.

Variants is where I budged some this time. I was going the "no variant" path. But I ended up doing some of them, notably Dark, Legendaries and Nitro KK. Dark was just a good deal with the free Legendary Adventure pack. I wanted regular Jawbreaker, but the Legendary ended up looking far better - the single tone color scheme of the regular isn't that great. Not to mention they didn't get in many Legendary things (probably shy from last year's glut). That's also why I picked up Nitro KK. Those things are not things you can just pick up down the road if you do want them.

I'm pretty happy with the outlay so far, the deals have been good and since I'm not getting everything my son has some options if he wants to use his allowance for Minis, more Traps or Reposes. I also don't have a closet nearly as full as previous years at this point and my investment is notably less. It's weird, but when people talk about the high cost and pay wall like it is something new my cost has actually gone down, without feeling like I'm missing out on any aspect by some smart shopping and being wary of overlap. I've been highly skeptical of Trap Team in the past, but Skylanders doesn't have to be as overwhelming if you don't let it.

This x1000000

This is how my boyfriend and I have been collecting the Skylanders since day one. I also have a family friend who likes alot of the skylanders i'd never play with in most triple packs (ie his favorite is shroom boom....he's gonna get ALL my shroom boom!)

we started literally just trying to collect the dragon types...but then my boyfriend would finda few good designs and we branched out. We never had this "Gotta catch em all" attitude. And since this is the first skylanders game were we both had money at the release we got just the things we wanted(except i had to wait to get traps...after work today...6 other traps here i come!).

And while Trap masters are a little more expensive the painting and technique on them are far superior then anything. Lobstar has about 5 intricate levels of paint followed by a beautiful glitter cover on his hands...but then again...what do we know. we're only game designers

Yeah I originally was going with a single set of traps but found a second set was "funner" to play with. The Villains are interesting. Some play like a magic item with an attack and some are total power houses. Variants are usually something I go for but the Nitros suck this time around (in my opinion at least). I haven't been a fan of Legendaries for some time so they are kind of out too. Mini's are freaking hilarious to play. I will most likely pick up all the Newlanders but I'm in no real hurry.

I still don't like their decision regarding the Dark/Light release. I keep fighting and capturing Villains that I'd like to play. I've never played a game like this where you gain something but don't get to use it. It's like capturing a Pokemon but you couldn't use it in battle until some random time in the future. Or playing an MMO, killing a boss, getting the gear but not being able to equip it until how knows when. It's just crappy. I'm all for having something to look forward to but maybe these Villains shouldn't have even been in the game until after the Light/Dark Elements were released. That way we'd also have an additional reason to back into those levels and nab the new baddies.

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Who ever calls the shots for the release schedules has a special place in Hell reserved just for them. I mean seriously we have both Water Trap Masters, both Tech and both Earth. We have no magic and the same Air that comes in the 3DS starter...seriously WTF?!? I am having fun with the game itself but so much about the quality of life changes (for the worse) and the launch/release is pissing me off.

that's funny

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Who ever calls the shots for the release schedules has a special place in Hell reserved just for them. I mean seriously we have both Water Trap Masters, both Tech and both Earth. We have no magic and the same Air that comes in the 3DS starter...seriously WTF?!? I am having fun with the game itself but so much about the quality of life changes (for the worse) and the launch/release is pissing me off.

that's funny

Yeah I was having a bad day lol. I still think that person sucks though lol. A little less fire and brimstone though.

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Traps are where I differ from most other people I saw buying stuff the first night. Part of the gimmick this time is trapping enemies, then using them. Seems kind of the point to have to trap them. Spending lots more money so I can trap them once then never do it again feels like a waste to me. How hard is it to level select and go get him again if you want a different one? I have the 9 traps (8 elements and Kaos), so will also need Light and Dark but other than that I feel I'm good. I know I'll miss out on some evolving, but that's fine - I already have a ton of playable options.

You won't miss out on any evolving, what makes you think you would? One trap of each element is enough to have access to every villain and every villain quest and have them all evolved. There really is no reason whatsoever to have more than one trap of the same element (in terms of game content) unless you really feel you need to swap in multiple villains of the same element within a single story mission, and since villains can't ever die or anything, its not like you need to worry about running out of villains and being unable to open a villain chest or something.

EDIT: Well actually, the opposite is true though - you can't un-evolve a villain, so one possible reason to have a second set of traps is to have a set where you purposefully avoid evolving any villains with those traps, if you prefer the coloring of the original un-evolved villain and don't mind the stat loss (the evolved status is saved on the trap itself and there's no reset option for traps).

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You won't miss out on any evolving, what makes you think you would? One trap of each element is enough to have access to every villain and every villain quest and have them all evolved.

Oh? I was under the impression (had heard somewhere) that the mold made a difference in whether a villain could evolve in that trap or not. I asked a while back if the molds made a difference, but never really got an answer. So the molds are just cosmetic?

I won't be able to find out until Christmas, it's too expensive to get so close to the holidays. The only reason I bought the Starter at this point instead of waiting until Black Friday was the TRU deal on the Dark Starter.

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Oh? I was under the impression (had heard somewhere) that the mold made a difference in whether a villain could evolve in that trap or not. I asked a while back if the molds made a difference, but never really got an answer. So the molds are just cosmetic?

Short answer: Yes, Trap Designs are purely cosmetic.

But, to be completely thorough in how the known trap mechanics are.

Every villain can evolve in every trap of the same element (it's also possible to glitch villains into traps of other elements).

Every trap can hold every villain of the same element, and all of them can be evolved at the same time (though only one is playable at any given time).

"Villain-Only" Variant Traps change the tag and appearance of the specific villain whose variant is stored on the trap, but is otherwise the same as every other trap.

Villain Variants are visibly identical after evolving, but the tag changes to include "Evolved" along with the variant name, similarly to how other villains get the "Evolved" tag rather than no tags at all.

"Evolved" and Variant tags cannot be removed from a trap. Once a villain has been evolved, it will stay evolved on the trap it was in when evolving (does not change the state of other traps).

We don't know what happens with Legendary Traps, but I have a feeling they change the color scheme of every villain it's supposed to contain (glitching in one of a different element presumably has no effect, possibly unless that element also has a Legendary Trap).

A fire element skylander not being able to open a fire element gate is a bunch of balogna...Put me in the whiner camp. I don't like balogna.

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Villain Variants are visibly identical after evolving, but the tag changes to include "Evolved" along with the variant name, similarly to how other villains get the "Evolved" tag rather than no tags at all.

I don't think this one is true. The posts in this topic //forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=108584 show that the evolved variants don't look identical.

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Villain Variants are visibly identical after evolving, but the tag changes to include "Evolved" along with the variant name, similarly to how other villains get the "Evolved" tag rather than no tags at all.

I don't think this one is true. The posts in this topic //forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=108584 show that the evolved variants don't look identical.

They do look identical to the non-evolved variant. The posts in that topic only show that they look different from the evolved non-variant counterpart.

Ah ok. Slight ambiguity in my interpretation I am glad that they don't evolve to the same form as the non-variants regardless; it would totally defeat the purpose of the variants. Like stupid with the purple skin in SSF.

It was bad enough that got the purple skin. I really wish it was the normal skin peeling off to a purple inner skin when hurt, instead of the purple outer skin peeling away to reveal the normal skin.

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A fire element skylander not being able to open a fire element gate is a bunch of balogna...Put me in the whiner camp. I don't like balogna.

welcome to the whiner camp, trap team is a never ending slap after slap in the face... so there is a lot to whine about

My quick draw will not get the purple skin on his lower half, even though i have the soul gem and the game recognizes it. Is anybody else having this glitch?

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My quick draw will not get the purple skin on his lower half, even though i have the soul gem and the game recognizes it. Is anybody else having this glitch?

remember to post all bugs/glitches here..
//forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=108544

dont forget to mention what platform your playing on, and if you have installed the patch or not...

MYY PAAGE!!
Anyways, it's pretty annoying yes.