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There should be a list on saying who got nerfed and buffed and what attacks.

Some could have a attack buffed and another nerfed.

Wrecking Ball has been buffed for his tongue attack which does 55 damage and before it did 15. (Total Tongue) Also the Forcefield ball has been nerfed as it lasts less time now.

Buffed
Total Tongue |Tongue does 55 damage.
Blizzard Brawler|Fists are stronger.
Pyro Pooch |Wall of Fire does 66 damage
Burning Bow-Wow |Fire Bark does slightly more damage
|Glitches are gone and he can hit enemies with his Skull Charge more than once.
|Bazooka is stronger
Sheep Burner Spyro |Fire Balls do 50 Damage.

Nerfed
|Shockwave Slam doesn't cause a Shockwave
Ultimate Spinner|Forcefield Ball lasts less time
S2 Nerfed (Wow-Pow is weaker)
Nerfed (Primary attack range is lower)
S2 Nerfed Wow-Pow (Does a lot less damage than in Giants)

Tree Rex's primary attack has horrible range.

I was quite disappointed after getting the S2 Prism Break (initially had Lightcore). The Wow Pow seems weak in Swap Force. It'd be more usable if it didn't interrupt the beam when used, although even then a pretty crappy Wow Pow compared to many others out there. It's definitely very good in Giants, but I play SF a lot more than Giants.

Keep them coming! I will do another later!

Well Ghost Roaster has definitely been buffed up just because all of his glitches have been terminated and now he can hit enemies with his skull charge more than once.

is nerfed. His tail does 58 damage for normal, 90 for charged, and 120 for Gaia hammer. I also think the roll is slower.

Gill Grunt: He can't use his Jetpack and Hose at the same time.

is nerfed.

His fists are so slow! Sure 54 damage per hit but Wrecking Ball does 55 per tongue and is faster at it so Wrecking Ball is better than Slam Bam in strength.

I feel eruptor has been nerfed some how.

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I feel eruptor has been nerfed some how.

I think his magma balls are stronger though.

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I like how you bought up how Slam Bam was nerfed without mentioning how his Ice Prisons don't freeze enemies anymore. That is by far the worst nerf any character has gotten in any of the games and got rid of something which helped to set Slam Bam apart from other melee characters a little bit.

Oops I didn't think of that.

I feel like Flameslingers supernova feels weaker.

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I feel like Flameslingers supernova feels weaker.

It also looks less cool.

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I feel like Flameslingers supernova feels weaker.

It also looks less cool.

It doesn't even look strong anymore.

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Gill Grunt: He can't use his Jetpack and Hose at the same time.

False.You need to activate his jet-pack first then his hose.Either that or the other way around.

Shroomboom is buffed.

Drobot- buffed
Whirlwind- buffed (99 damage elemental woo hoo!)
pop fizz-buffed

Gill Grunts jetpack doesn't last as long (if you chose the harpoon path, no unlimited water) and it is slower

It's not a real nerf, nor a buff, but Thumpback and Eye Brawl running animations are different.
Also, I didn't noticed that Slam Bam nerf, since I don't use him that often; hope this will be fixed in the fourth game...

I'm just starting to dig out my old landers out...starting on Air today....I can say the following based on my limited experience with these so far:

Whirlwind: Buffed
Jet Vac: Buffed (Corkscrew works better, can be used consecutively)
Sonic Boom: Slightly Nerfed ... throwing eggs seems more problematic/less helpful as before...her sonic edge not as strong
Swarm: comparable
Warnado: no comment yet
Lightning Rod: Buffed (he really wipes the floor up with his attacks; I suspect he was overpowered before and this translated the same in Swap Force)

I'll modify this post as I get more time doing these guys with their quests. I'll provide specifics on what I like/dislike at that time. I'd also like to compare the hit numbers as well--my comments so far are just based on "gut" reaction.

But... Slam Bam's ice prisons do trap enemies! Are you playing on the Wii?

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I like how you bought up how Slam Bam was nerfed without mentioning how his Ice Prisons don't freeze enemies anymore. That is by far the worst nerf any character has gotten in any of the games and got rid of something which helped to set Slam Bam apart from other melee characters a little bit.

Oops I didn't think of that.

They freeze enemies on the Wii U. He's actually buffed.

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I like how you bought up how Slam Bam was nerfed without mentioning how his Ice Prisons don't freeze enemies anymore. That is by far the worst nerf any character has gotten in any of the games and got rid of something which helped to set Slam Bam apart from other melee characters a little bit.

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But... Slam Bam's ice prisons do trap enemies! Are you playing on the Wii?

I play SF on the Wii and I'm pretty sure his ice prisons still do freeze enemies. :/ So I don't think platform matters here.

Flashwing's crystal attacks, both backwards and forwards do a hell of a lot more damage. I ahve noticed though that her Crystal Lighthouse move has such a tiny range, it's really not worth doing now

This is all personal opinion

I very much disappointed with what they did with gill grunt on both paths. He has a jump delay after using either of his attacks and the dual water stream issue is a mess. His water hose feels like it has less distance and knock back effect and his harpoons a lot weaker. His speed seems like its been dropped also.

Wrecking ball I'm glad they made his tongue stronger and what I perceive to be faster, but his ball is a lot shorter. His burp attack I cant tell much difference.

Trigger Happy has a lot more frickin health at lvl 1. He was supposed to be the long range quick hitter with low defense but that seems to have vanished.

Popfizzs potions seem weaker to me, but I always preferred his Berserker mode so maybe lack of familiarity.

Eruptors lava barf/volcano secondary attack, not his wow pows, seems to have a lot less area for proc on damage.

Flameslingers arrows seem to be stronger but his fire trail attacks weaker.

Sonic Booms Blast attack echolocation effect on the scream path is a lot weaker than spryros adventure but stronger than gaints

Hexs swirly skull rain charge part of the attack hits a lot less or I guess circles a lot slower, but charges faster so I guess its a trade off.

Bashs tail strike is a lot stronger, makes me favor his tail path a lot more in this game

Ignitors mega slam dosent feel as strong to me

Hotdogs fire bark seems weaker to me

Zap has his electricity stronger thankfully

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This is all personal opinion

I very much disappointed with what they did with gill grunt on both paths. He has a jump delay after using either of his attacks and the dual water stream issue is a mess. His water hose feels like it has less distance and knock back effect and his harpoons a lot weaker. His speed seems like its been dropped also.

Wrecking ball I'm glad they made his tongue stronger and what I perceive to be faster, but his ball is a lot shorter. His burp attack I cant tell much difference.

Trigger Happy has a lot more frickin health at lvl 1. He was supposed to be the long range quick hitter with low defense but that seems to have vanished.

Popfizzs potions seem weaker to me, but I always preferred his Berserker mode so maybe lack of familiarity.

Eruptors lava barf/volcano secondary attack, not his wow pows, seems to have a lot less area for proc on damage.

Flameslingers arrows seem to be stronger but his fire trail attacks weaker.

Sonic Booms Blast attack echolocation effect on the scream path is a lot weaker than spryros adventure but stronger than gaints

Hexs swirly skull rain charge part of the attack hits a lot less or I guess circles a lot slower, but charges faster so I guess its a trade off.

Bashs tail strike is a lot stronger, makes me favor his tail path a lot more in this game

Ignitors mega slam dosent feel as strong to me

Hotdogs fire bark seems weaker to me

Zap has his electricity stronger thankfully

You're not kidding about Zap!

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is nerfed. His tail does 58 damage for normal, 90 for charged, and 120 for Gaia hammer. I also think the roll is slower.

That was in Giants too, excactly the same. NOtthing nerved about his tail. You're right on the roll tho.

My bash on the tail path does 200 for a gaia hammer and that is not in an elemental zone hmmmm.

Terrafin and Chop Chop's attacks are much slower now...

Boomers Shockwave path radius is a lot smaller than it used to be and his troll bombs like to roll away down hill before you can kick them. Almost penalized on his personal quest if you picked the shockwave path


Sonic Booms hatchlings and double troubles minis like to attack wooden crates and boxes before they attack enemies. Trying to take them into battle and they run away attack objects. Bummer.

Feels like Zooks bazooka path is a lot weaker and hes a bit slower.

Eruptors magma ball that he rolls around is a lot stronger than before. Aesthetically, I really like his magma print foot prints in this game.

Chop Chops bramble move is really strong but may have a shorter range.

Zook's bazookas seem to do 50 damage and that is definitely buffed.

Maybe his explosion radius is smaller, there is something different


And Ghost Roasters Skull charge does so much damage now and hes fixed. Now he can finally live up to ghost with the most. Ex-nay B.J. that is.

Hex's Wow Pow is horrible now. It originally did 250++ damage, not it does around 60-90.

I wonder if it will go back and forth between VV and TfB every year on which characters and moves are good or not. They really need to have both companies sit down and be like hey this is how we originally thought this character was supposed to be and have them both on the same page. VV tweaked some of the older characters this year in good and bad ways but they were mainly dealing with foreign. I wonder how TfB will handle all the swappers and new cores from swap. TfB may be the original team but they are not perfect, I assume we'll have a few complaints on the swappers come october.

Pop Fizz's Soul Gem power "Shake It" has been nerfed, as It covers a noticeably smaller area now.

has been buffed alot i feel and yes has been nerfed 100% nerfed cuz when ur being attacked he cant even start his roll.

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has been buffed alot i feel and yes has been nerfed 100% nerfed cuz when ur being attacked he cant even start his roll.

Yes, Warnado is a lot better!

Terrafin's punching is slightly slower,but his mini shark attack has slightly been buffed.

getted even awesomer than he been in giants

dino rang i feel got a lot worse

Drobot is so nerfed, he does not shoot nearly as fast anymore. He sucks now.

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Gill Grunt: He can't use his Jetpack and Hose at the same time.

I think that's a lie, and you could actually do that, but it just drains faster, at least the last time I checked.

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Gill Grunt: He can't use his Jetpack and Hose at the same time.

I think that's a lie, and you could actually do that, but it just drains faster, at least the last time I checked.

It wouldn't work because he clicked the Hose and he couldn't use the jetpack because you have to click the jetpack then click the hose.

EDIT: Updated the first post a bit and I need more info.

Well, I've noticed that my Sheep Burner has his fireballs curve towards enemies in SSF. Is this true for other versions? ( & S1,S2, & S3 , to be exact.) Does the path make the fireballs curve?

Drobot's lasers have been buffed, as they used to do 7 damage but now do 14.

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I like how you bought up how Slam Bam was nerfed without mentioning how his Ice Prisons don't freeze enemies anymore. That is by far the worst nerf any character has gotten in any of the games and got rid of something which helped to set Slam Bam apart from other melee characters a little bit.

Oops I didn't think of that.

They freeze enemies on the Wii U. He's actually buffed.

They also freeze enemies on the Xbox 360 version. What console are you playing on that they don't work in?

Anything on Cynder?

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Anything on Cynder?

Cynder's lightning has been buffed. It used to do around 14-15 damage in the previous games, now it does 34.