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Quote: shelly9871

So---hypothetically---if free codes weren't posted would this contest be as hard to win?

Probably not nearly as hard. I'm sure their selection algorithm adjusts based on the number of entries. Without the codes the number of entries would probably fall significantly. Pumpkin Fright Rider wasn't nearly as hard until the end when lots of people were getting their free codes. But, they made the mistake (intentional or not) of having to make the codes re-usable by printing them on the outside of the bag and putting the same code on many bags. The worst possible thing would be for someone to buy a bag and be told their code was already used when they got home - it would be a PR nightmare, not something you want on a promotion.

It probably has an expected internal win rate (to make sure they don't run out early, you don't want a two month contest to run out of prizes in two days), and when entries don't pass a certain threshold it improves the chances until it is practically a guaranteed win. More entries and it lowers the chances. I would think chances would get better later on once all the "gotta win four or more" people have their fill (and others get frustrated and quit trying). It was part of what I was saying, if people won one then stepped out the ratio likely improves for everyone still playing. They almost certainly are not giving away more than they want to give per day, and probably have it set up to make them available in the one per fifteen minute period they state in the rules.

Of course all of this is speculation, they aren't going to make this stuff public, it would make winning easier to predict. In the end though, they want to give them all away, and also have people win as often as possible - they want these given away, it is a promotion after all - they have already paid for all of them.

Quote: tigerdr

I'm a bit against the whole posting of codes here publicly for the simple fact of those that don't have it yet in how much harder you make it with more people playing who didn't pay for the bags. I already brought this up in one of the forum pages before. If it was the utmost you wanted to share, you should do so in private message.

Again, you didn't have to buy anything with the Rattle Shake promotion to get the code. It was printed on the outside of the bag. I hear where you are coming from in regards to the Fright Rider way in which codes were distributed and people posting them publicly. But then again, it is certainly within a persons right to post a code from a bag of chips they bought or a code from a postcard they mailed in themselves. It was their money and/or their effort that went in to obtaining that code.

Well, they're giving them out every fifteen minutes no matter how many entries they get. They have a precise number to give out on a precise schedule. If they get a million entries they aren't giving them out faster. The only situation where the rate of prize-giving would change is if they had zero entries in a fifteen minute window. In that case, they could either a) give it to the next person to enter in the next fifteen minute window or b) not give it out at all. If there were very very few entries for an extended period of time, they might get a backlog for a little while during certain times of the day like early morning.

In my opinion, using a code that was either posted on a forum or found on the outside of a bag is morally wrong. I do realize that Frito Lay messed up the entire promotion. The intention of the promotion, however, is to either buy a bag to get a code or send in for free codes. I could have been playing this promotion from the very beginning with the posted codes, but chose to wait until after I found them in stores locally before I started playing. Luckily, I found some at my local Walmart and bought three bags with three different codes on three consecutive days. America needs to get back to being a nation of morals like we once were. A comparable situation happened to me this weekend. I went to a little league football game with my family and the cost was $3 per adult. One of the guys at the gate takes my $20 bill and gives me back $17, even though I was paying for my wife and I. Yes, I easily could have pocketed the extra $3 and no one would have known any better and I am guessing that the little league team that received the gate was not going to be affected by me not paying $3. However, giving the guy at the gate back the $3 was the morally responsible thing to do. Frito Lay might not lose out too much when people copy codes from bags without purchasing them because people are still going to buy the bags of chips. Frito Lay is giving these away for free, so they are expecting people to purchase the bags to win the Quickdraw Rattle Shake. If you do not want to purchase the bags of chips, then send in for a free code.

Quote: griswoldthunder

In my opinion, using a code that was either posted on a forum or found on the outside of a bag is morally wrong. I do realize that Frito Lay messed up the entire promotion. The intention of the promotion, however, is to either buy a bag to get a code or send in for free codes. I could have been playing this promotion from the very beginning with the posted codes, but chose to wait until after I found them in stores locally before I started playing. Luckily, I found some at my local Walmart and bought three bags with three different codes on three consecutive days. America needs to get back to being a nation of morals like we once were. A comparable situation happened to me this weekend. I went to a little league football game with my family and the cost was $3 per adult. One of the guys at the gate takes my $20 bill and gives me back $17, even though I was paying for my wife and I. Yes, I easily could have pocketed the extra $3 and no one would have known any better and I am guessing that the little league team that received the gate was not going to be affected by me not paying $3. However, giving the guy at the gate back the $3 was the morally responsible thing to do. Frito Lay might not lose out too much when people copy codes from bags without purchasing them because people are still going to buy the bags of chips. Frito Lay is giving these away for free, so they are expecting people to purchase the bags to win the Quickdraw Rattle Shake. If you do not want to purchase the bags of chips, then send in for a free code.

This has nothing to do with morals and I resent the idea of you bringing that into this debate. Frito-Lay provided us all of the information that we needed to enter this contest right on the outside of the package. Look on the back of the bags: step by step instructions on how to enter. Pay special attention to bullet point #1 which reads: FIND your code on the front of this specially marked bag (11-digit code). They tell you it is right on the front of the bag! No purchase necessary! And anyone with a keen eye would notice that every code will probably match with each bag found in the same store. Also, the back of the bag points out that you can mail away for free codes if you so choose. With that being said, is it any difference to Frito if I mail for my free code or I just write down the one on the front of the bag? Sure there will be some that say that at least the people that mailed in for the code did what the contest rules asked. But I counter that with this thought. Isn't Frito-Lay getting the same information that we would be providing to them with the postcards when we enter for our chances to win each day? Name, Address, D.O.B. and email address. The way I see it, we are saving the extra gas it takes to mail all those postcards from where we are to the destinations in Texas. We are saving postage for each card we send in the mail. In all actuality this is the first promotion from Frito-Lay in which the following disclaimer has been completely true....NO PURCHASE OR PAYMENT OF ANY KIND IS NECESSARY TO ENTER OR WIN. A PURCHASE WILL NOT INCREASE YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING. Your football analogy doesn't hold up. It is not comparable. Frito knew they screwed up from the get go with this promotion. That is why as of now you can enter the same code infinitely provided you have an email address or a variation of one of your email address.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with TheGooch.
The proverbial cat is out of the bag on this screwed-up promotion by Frito-Lay. Whether one enters the contest with a redundant code off a purchased bag of chips or with a posted code from this forum is irrelevant now. If you need to feel morally pure, then sure, play along with the original intent of the contest. But ultimately, this isn't life or death, or anything even close to that. It's essentially a free game. Play if you want, or don't play if you think playing will keep you awake at night or keep you out of heaven when you pass.

Quote: BahamutBreaker

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with TheGooch.
The proverbial cat is out of the bag on this screwed-up promotion by Frito-Lay. Whether one enters the contest with a redundant code off a purchased bag of chips or with a posted code from this forum is irrelevant now. If you need to feel morally pure, then sure, play along with the original intent of the contest. But ultimately, this isn't life or death, or anything even close to that. It's essentially a free game. Play if you want, or don't play if you think playing will keep you awake at night or keep you out of heaven when you pass.

Oh stop. It couldn't have hurt you that much.

Quote: TheGooch

Quote: BahamutBreaker

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with TheGooch.
The proverbial cat is out of the bag on this screwed-up promotion by Frito-Lay. Whether one enters the contest with a redundant code off a purchased bag of chips or with a posted code from this forum is irrelevant now. If you need to feel morally pure, then sure, play along with the original intent of the contest. But ultimately, this isn't life or death, or anything even close to that. It's essentially a free game. Play if you want, or don't play if you think playing will keep you awake at night or keep you out of heaven when you pass.

Oh stop. It couldn't have hurt you that much.

yeah realy BahamutBreaker...ohh wait is that blood? ......MEDIC!!!!!!

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Quote: TheGooch

Quote: BahamutBreaker

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with TheGooch.
The proverbial cat is out of the bag on this screwed-up promotion by Frito-Lay. Whether one enters the contest with a redundant code off a purchased bag of chips or with a posted code from this forum is irrelevant now. If you need to feel morally pure, then sure, play along with the original intent of the contest. But ultimately, this isn't life or death, or anything even close to that. It's essentially a free game. Play if you want, or don't play if you think playing will keep you awake at night or keep you out of heaven when you pass.

Oh stop. It couldn't have hurt you that much.

yeah realy BahamutBreaker...ohh wait is that blood? ......MEDIC!!!!!!

You rang?" "Please state the nature..

It is a moot point. But both points of view are valid. Clearly fritolay made a mistake by posting on the outside of bag. But IMO they still intended for people to locate and buy the bag or write in to them for free codes. Otherwise they would just have posted it on their website or whatever ways they could choose to freely distribute the codes. Do I think anybody did anything maliciously by posting codes--no. I think all the things posted were done so out of the desire to help.

Just because a company "screws up" doesn't give you the right to kick them where they are down. Remember your kids in this and I think they'd rather see you did the right thing in obtaining the figures. I know people want to help others that much but then you see all of those complaining on winning and in most cases THEY BOUGHT the product or a family member did for them. I don't care if it seems right, buy a bag or atleast send out for a code.

I stated that in another thread and those posting should be banned. I still stand on that. You might think that harsh but you're basically exploiting and actually committing fraud. If you didn't PAY or send away for the code, you stole it. End of story. If a friend shares it with you privately no ones to say, but publicly, just no. Helping in that way isn't right. You help them by taking care of it privately.

Quote: tigerdr

Just because a company "screws up" doesn't give you the right to kick them where they are down. Remember your kids in this and I think they'd rather see you did the right thing in obtaining the figures. I know people want to help others that much but then you see all of those complaining on winning and in most cases THEY BOUGHT the product or a family member did for them. I don't care if it seems right, buy a bag or atleast send out for a code.

I stated that in another thread and those posting should be banned. I still stand on that. You might think that harsh but you're basically exploiting and actually committing fraud. If you didn't PAY or send away for the code, you stole it. End of story. If a friend shares it with you privately no ones to say, but publicly, just no. Helping in that way isn't right. You help them by taking care of it privately.

Do you honestly think that a billion dollar company just "screwed up"? Gimme a break!

ATTENTION EVERYBODY!!!!! For the next 6 weeks Coke will be giving away $15 every 15 minutes. All you need to do is enter a "super secret" 11-digit code on a website which can only be obtained by looking at any one of our specially marked products distributed at most national retail locations.

Now granted, the general public would be more interested in $15 cash and the actually Rattle Shake toy isn't costing Frito-Lay $15 to make and ship out to winners but the above scenario is the same. Do any of you honestly think that it didn't occur to the fine people of Frito-Lay that what is happening with this latest promotion wasn't going to occur. If not, they seriously need to reconsider their whole Marketing Department, their Promotion Department and probably their team of Lawyers for that matter. How could they not consider that given how popular the interwebs are these days that the consumers wouldn't have been smart enough to figure out that 1) The code is printed on the outside of the bag (which is given to you in the instructions on how to play on the back of the bag) and 2) that every code on the outside of the bag is the same (which again can be determined by looking on the outside of the other bags that are for sale in the store) thus eliminating the need for one to purchase multiple bags for multiple codes. Stand down you moral crusaders, your complaints are falling on deaf ears.

Quote: TheGooch

1) The code is printed on the outside of the bag (which is given to you in the instructions on how to play on the back of the bag) and 2) that every code on the outside of the bag is the same (which again can be determined by looking on the outside of the other bags that are for sale in the store) thus eliminating the need for one to purchase multiple bags for multiple codes. Stand down you moral crusaders, your complaints are falling on deaf ears.

Hey once you BUY one bag by that logic it's fine, you at least gave them money. Between asking for a free code it's the same thing. I agree on the fact of the whole problem where they put the same code on the bags and on the outside, that was a big mistake on their part. Maybe they are trying to see which method works better. Because with the unlimited usage I guess you can say that's a mistake on their part.

As far as the moral thing is concerned, I'm sick of the instant gratification mentality. You play into that if you give out the codes publicly. If you got one yourself at the store, sent away for one or a friend gave one to you in hand or by private message it's OK. It's the fact of in some way earning or taking more effort than simply just trying to get something for as little work as possible. Being lazy. That part seems to be what you avoided on. The more people you end up teaching in those types of things, it only makes things worse. Handing out codes does impact this contest like that. Simply means for every one that has seen it that means someone else doesn't get one who legitimately has a right to.

LoL ... you act as if Frito-Lay is in dire financial straits or something.

To be honest, all the buzz about this contest, even if a lot of it is negative buzz, has no doubt generated more advertising for Frito-Lay than they could have ever hoped for.
Conspiracy theorists would even probably suggest that they screwed the contest up intentionally.

All this talk about morality over a contest involving bags of chips and toy figurines is trite and comical. If you want to talk about morality and doing what is "right", then sell your Skylanders collection and donate the money to charity.
Don't whine about laziness of society when you spend time playing video games and chatting on internet message boards, OK?

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Because with the unlimited usage I guess you can say that's a mistake on their part.

Did we forget the history of this promotion already? The unlimited use of the codes wasn't an issue until many people (mostly likely many people from these forums) had called Frito-Lay about the issue with the codes on the outside of the bags. The fine people of these forums took notice with the issue and it was then Frito-Lay that changed how the codes would be handled. I can't say for sure but I believe that every single one of us that called into their customer service number to complain about the "already been used" code issue contributed to the unlimited use for each code decision.

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As far as the moral thing is concerned, I'm sick of the instant gratification mentality. You play into that if you give out the codes publicly. If you got one yourself at the store, sent away for one or a friend gave one to you in hand or by private message it's OK. It's the fact of in some way earning or taking more effort than simply just trying to get something for as little work as possible. Being lazy. That part seems to be what you avoided on. The more people you end up teaching in those types of things, it only makes things worse. Handing out codes does impact this contest like that. Simply means for every one that has seen it that means someone else doesn't get one who legitimately has a right to.

So I wonder, given your rationale above, who has the right to use any code? Please define the word "right" to me based on the above information.
Q: Do only the people who actually purchased the chips have a right to use a code?

A: Not according to the rules on the back of the bag where it clearly states that no purchase is necessary to enter or win.

Q:How about the people who sent in cards for a code to play the game?

A:I don't think so. Plus, as far as this way of entry is concerned this is the one that is the most handicapped now considering what is given to you are single use codes only.

Q:How about the estimated millions of shoppers at Walmart store everyday that can simple see the bags with the promotion on them, read the back of the bag on how the promotion works and then jot down the code on the front of the bag?

A:Are we starting to get into moral gray area here? We shouldn't be because the rules state no purchase is necessary, the information we provide when entering the contest is the same as that in which we provide in sending away for the codes via mail.

With that being said, as long as someone has eye(s) to see, and an IQ big enough to read the rules on the back of the bag then they are eligible to play in this contest. You know what, I am going to go one step further so I am not saying that the legally blind don't have a right to enter this contest as I truly believe they do too. So with that being said let me edit: Even if you are legally blind and are able to type your information into the Skylanders Frito-Lay promotion website by yourself (dammit throw out the IQ thing too) and have someone who is willing to whisper the code to you while you are entering it (oh, and promises not to use it themselves) then you are eligible to play in this contest.

This moral conundrum has been vanquished. May we all feel relieved!

I appreciate they are giving out figures. The code I used is on a bag I bought. I'm under no impression that others aren't also using the code. I buy lots of Frito Lay stuff too, the kids love them some Doritoes, so I definitely support them. Now, if Cheez-Its starts a Skylanders promo, then IT IS ON.

Quote: defpally

I appreciate they are giving out figures. The code I used is on a bag I bought. I'm under no impression that others aren't also using the code. I buy lots of Frito Lay stuff too, the kids love them some Doritoes, so I definitely support them. Now, if Cheez-Its starts a Skylanders promo, then IT IS ON.

i agree here with defpally my kids,wife and I love the chips and have been buying them at a rate of 1 variety pack either classic, flavor and now even family fun pack per week for years and still will continue too. Kids needs snack and wife and I need something to chew on our self. So my family has supported them since day one and will continue. And yes i also agree if Cheez-Its starts a skylander promo yes it is on by far.lol

hey guys I bought a bag last night and I can't find the code at all, on the front or inside, can somebody help me , is there a way to enter codes that are for all to use? please help I really wanna try to get this rattle shake

They are printed in black...11 digits. . Bottom of bag next to selp by date

Quote: nickryan

hey guys I bought a bag last night and I can't find the code at all, on the front or inside, can somebody help me , is there a way to enter codes that are for all to use? please help I really wanna try to get this rattle shake

look for the expiration date stamped on front or bottom then next to it is a 11 digit manufacturer code hard to see but just look hard.

Alright so I have been playing since they started 10 times a day and I still haven't won any yet but the fright rider I couldn't lose. I bought my code but I have a question can I use the same code on a different email multiple times a day. I was just wondering cause if you lose you see sory you didn't win but play again tomorrow with another code

Don't know. I don't cheat.

Quote: Tyranitar77

Alright so I have been playing since they started 10 times a day and I still haven't won any yet but the fright rider I couldn't lose. I bought my code but I have a question can I use the same code on a different email multiple times a day. I was just wondering cause if you lose you see sory you didn't win but play again tomorrow with another code

That's what im doing so I'm kind of assuming so. Maybe someone else could clarify. From what i can tell, it's just checking your email and since multiple bags can have the exact same code, I figured that it doesn't matter if I bought one and used 3 different emails compared to me buying one and 3 other people buy the same bags with the same codes from the same store after me.

I dunno what went wrong between the Sidekicks and the Pumpkin Fright Rider promos but they need to go back to the having a code in the bag. That first of all would solve all their problems. I don't think we know how many sidekicks they had, but they were probably comparable to however many they have for this promo...

Maybe if they get enough complaints they'll go back to the other way lol. If not, I can already forsee a lot of complaints about how this and Pumpkin Fright Rider went. Maybe we'll get lucky and both will be available in stores at some point.

i won it after 50 tries

Just won at 3:11 est for someone so they should be happy to get my private message. That took a few hours lmao

Edit: You can keep using the same code due to how many bags have the same code on them, believe me on that one.

Quote: lordexodus

Has anyone here or on ebay won him yet? I tried 7 codes. 5 were already used & 2 were losses. I would like to have 2 of Quickdraw Rattle Shake in my great collection...

Quote: jpanth

I tried 19 codes none work.

Why would the codes be already used?!


Quote: tigerdr

Just won at 3:11 est for someone so they should be happy to get my private message. That took a few hours lmao

Edit: You can keep using the same code due to how many bags have the same code on them, believe me on that one.

What?! you can use the code more than once?! this contest is weird...

I just won my last one for a member on here so they will be happy to know they have one coming, glad I can help others and i commend you tigerdr for also helping someone. this contest takes up a lot of time trying to win for someone especially when u have a ton of members asking you to help them we cant help everyone but we can help a few.

Quote: artican

I just won my last one for a member on here so they will be happy to know they have one coming, glad I can help others and i commend you tigerdr for also helping someone. this contest takes up a lot of time trying to win for someone especially when u have a ton of members asking you to help them we cant help everyone but we can help a few.

Congrats and I know what you mean, atleast you are also able to help someone and that's what matters