Two swappable monkeys? Why?
BTW the other one is Grilla Drilla, in case you didn't catch on.
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legendaryfabo Gold Sparx Gems: 2968 |
#4751 Posted: 03:18:41 21/08/2013
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#4752 Posted: 03:48:21 21/08/2013
SHE. IS. NOT. AN. ELF. All known elves show their ears in some fashion. Also, her eyes are different from any known elf. And Chill's not an elf, than neither is Roller Brawl, as they would seem to be the same species (only with the latter undead). And no elf has shown human-colored skin as of yet.
Anyhoo, sounds like Zoo Lou will be a powerful support type, if he can summon a wolf that can dig up food, but with his other attacks, he can still hold his own against enemies.
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#4753 Posted: 03:59:47 21/08/2013
Besides Roller Brawl doesn't even have feet. They're just sharp roller blades which i find unusual since I wonder what happened to her feet or if she never had actual feet to begin with.
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#4754 Posted: 05:20:34 21/08/2013
Roller Brawl got feet.
She is just wearing Roller Blades.
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#4755 Posted: 07:03:50 21/08/2013
Quote: Aura24
Does that mean Boomer, Ghost Roaster, Camo etc. will get a repose? I think not... Can we make a complete list? |
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#4756 Posted: 07:18:37 21/08/2013
Boomer and Ghost Roaster aren't getting a repose, we don't know about Camo though.
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#4757 Posted: 07:35:12 21/08/2013
Quote: Takadox360
You're probably right, but it's a little hard to say, as there's little space for feet. Her backstory will reveal all...
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wreckingballbob Emerald Sparx Gems: 4565 |
#4758 Posted: 07:36:56 21/08/2013
Quote: SPARXisAWESOME
The chart says otherwise...
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#4759 Posted: 07:55:52 21/08/2013
new videos of grilla drilla....
looks awesome.... AND HE HAVE FEETS! |
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#4760 Posted: 07:57:24 21/08/2013
And of course the gameplay's FGTV exclusive. Hopefully there will be other videos that aren't channel exclusive.
Switching between normal legs and drill legs.
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#4761 Posted: 08:15:13 21/08/2013
WOW, it answers the question how he walked!
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#4762 Posted: 08:15:54 21/08/2013
Seems like FGTV posted other videos too, but he has them all in private: http://www.nintendolife.com/ne...cters_in_action
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#4763 Posted: 08:18:52 21/08/2013
Someone noticed it sais Ps4 gameplay?
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#4764 Posted: 08:31:57 21/08/2013
Interesting video, Grilla looks sweet, and I hadn't seen his artwork before.
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#4765 Posted: 08:33:56 21/08/2013
Then there are the Series 3 Skylanders:
Anchors Away Gill Grunt Bang Bang Trigger Happy Blizzard Chill Fire Bone Hot Dog Heavy Duty Sprocket Horn Blast Whirlwind Hyper Beam Prism Break Knockout Terrafin Lava Barf Eruptor Mega Ram Spyro Ninja Stealth Elf Phantom Cynder Super Gulp Pop Fizz Turbo Jet-Vac Twin Blade Chop The link with the private video gives this list of new series skylanders. There are two for each element except life. There is only 1 life skylander. And the Camo mystery continues. |
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#4766 Posted: 08:36:37 21/08/2013
It maybe because when ps4 and xboxone come out it will be released as well... But not sure about picture quality though ... Even though i expect similar quality i assume the one in xbo and ps4 will have slightly neater graphics...
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wreckingballbob Emerald Sparx Gems: 4565 |
#4767 Posted: 08:38:34 21/08/2013
Quote: A-naff
We have got proof he wont return! We have the compatibility Chart and why would there be 5 S2 from Giants and 1 from SSA?
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#4768 Posted: 08:39:34 21/08/2013
Quote: wreckingballbob
There is no proof yet, you guys are making wild assumptions and passing them off as real...
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#4769 Posted: 08:41:54 21/08/2013
Quote: Aura24
The compatibility Chart basically proves it.
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#4770 Posted: 08:42:26 21/08/2013
Quote: Doomslicer
I always thought Rollerbrawl was a vampire or some kind of demon because of her fangs. |
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#4771 Posted: 08:43:59 21/08/2013
How so though?
By saying the new series of skylanders won't work in ssa doesn't exactly mean they won't go into the game. It could simply mean they don't work with the new wow pows? |
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#4772 Posted: 08:44:38 21/08/2013
Quote: alicecarp
I think she is an undead version of Chill's species.
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#4773 Posted: 08:45:39 21/08/2013
Quote: wreckingballbob
That proves nothing. It does not say anything about Camo not returning. Seriously.
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#4774 Posted: 08:46:24 21/08/2013
Quote: A-naff
Nope Because it says Series 3 work in all games and if Camo was Series 2 it would say he could play in SSA.
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#4775 Posted: 08:47:35 21/08/2013
I'm sorry wreckingbob, but do you see a 'Camo isn't one of the Series 2 Skylanders!' on that chart? Nope, not a single word on that picture mentioned Camo.
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#4776 Posted: 08:48:57 21/08/2013
Quote: Aura24
Nope I don't see that. I am sticking to what I think.
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#4777 Posted: 08:51:02 21/08/2013
Quote: wreckingballbob
Then you can't go passing it around like it's a fact. It's your opinion and belief.
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#4778 Posted: 08:51:19 21/08/2013
Quote: Takadox360
As do I. So she's a vampiric chill. Can't wait for those new FGTV videos showing Boom jet and Zoo Lou to be released to the public!
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#4779 Posted: 08:53:53 21/08/2013
I imagine FGTV will be talking on the gameplay as well. Unless other gamers release the gameplay videos without commentary.
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#4780 Posted: 08:57:05 21/08/2013
why, why do they need to be private!!!????
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#4781 Posted: 08:58:08 21/08/2013
Because it's not the time for them to post the info yet, I'd say later on the morning is when lots of info will be posted.
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#4782 Posted: 09:00:47 21/08/2013
Wait, is gamescon-if i typed it right- today, is that why there's so much ?
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#4783 Posted: 09:06:10 21/08/2013
Gamescon will start in a few hours.
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#4784 Posted: 09:08:21 21/08/2013
Quote: Aura24
oh yes he can if he wants to... and its nothing you can do about it. |
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#4785 Posted: 09:17:14 21/08/2013
I am aware of that, Kappa, but still, even if that is his belief, he can't say it's 'proof' since his only source was the comparability chart that never mentioned 'Camo not returning' nor his name anywhere on there. Unless some official source actually says that Camo isn't returning.
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A-naff Blue Sparx Gems: 807 |
#4786 Posted: 09:20:20 21/08/2013
Are you guys seriously trying to tell me that they have left one skylander to reveal. One life skylander. And it won't be the fan favourite?
Why would they reveal every single swap force and leave a repose of an old skylander to be last revealed unless it was the fan favourite? I hardly deem shroomboom that big a fan favourite to be left to the last reveal spot. Camo fits the last reveal nicely. Warnado, Camo and wham shell are the 3 skylanders i presume most people want to see in this game. If they've held back this long to reveal the last skylander and it turned out to be shroomboom, then most people would be pissed! |
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#4787 Posted: 09:20:55 21/08/2013
Here's Boom Jet's gameplay:
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#4788 Posted: 09:21:56 21/08/2013
Theres also a dark wash buckler hands on and portal hands on from family gamer tv
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#4789 Posted: 09:22:28 21/08/2013
I didn't say it was proof. I simply said here is something that may still prove Camo will be reposed.
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#4790 Posted: 09:23:33 21/08/2013
A-naff, I was referring to wreckingballbob about him saying that the comparability chart 'confirmed' Camo's not returning, when it never said a thing about that.
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#4791 Posted: 09:23:59 21/08/2013
http://www.forbes.com/sites/an...ps4-at-gamecom/ dark wash buckler and portal hands on
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#4792 Posted: 09:24:52 21/08/2013
is this already shown??
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#4793 Posted: 09:34:25 21/08/2013
Here's a bunch of phrases and back stories:
BLAST ZONE Fire/Rocket “Blast and Furious!” As a young furnace knight, Blast Zone was part of the Skylands Bomb Squad, specializing in the safe disarming and removal of troll bombs. But it was not long before the trolls got tired of Blast Zone constantly thwarting their evil plans, so they decided to go after the furnace knight himself. Late one night, an army of trolls snuck into Blast Zone’s village and threw 100 bombs down his chimney. Acting quickly, Blast Zone swallowed each bomb and then belched a jet of fire back at the invaders – sending them fleeing with their boots on fire. The tale of the attack eventually reached the ear of Master Eon, who knew the brave furnace knight had all the makings of a Skylander. BOOM JET Air/Rocket “Bombs Away!” No matter what Boom Jet did, he always had to be the best.** He could be seen day and night above his home in the Billowy Cloudplains gunning his engines and performing daredevil maneuvers as he trained to become the best sky surfer in all of Skylands.** Unfortunately, Boom Jet never had a chance to compete for the championship because a day came that changed his life forever.** The Darkness had come.** And with his town on the verge of being completely consumed by the ominous evil force, Boom Jet took action.** Using his incredible flying skills, he raced from house to house, rescuing all of the citizens and carrying them to safety… just before The Darkness destroyed his homeland.** It was then he realized the protection of Skylands was more important than personal glory, so he sought out Master Eon to offer his services to the Skylanders. FREE RANGER Air/Spin “Whip Up a Storm!” Free Ranger was hatched during a storm when a thunderous bolt of lightning struck his egg.** From that very moment, his destiny was clear – he would become the greatest storm chaser ever known!** He spent his entire life pursuing hurricanes, spinning inside tornados, and riding lightning.** But a day came when he encountered a storm unlike any other.** It was unnatural and ominous, billowing with evil, and leaving only desolation in its wake.** Free Ranger was standing at its edge, moments from boldly leaping into it, when he was stopped by none other than Master Eon. The wise Portal Master told him that it was The Darkness that raged before them, and if he were up to the challenge, he could join the Skylanders to help defend against it in the Cloudbreak Islands. GRILLA DRILLA Life/Dig “If There's a Drill, There's a Way!” In the distant jungles of what was once the sprawling subterranean city of the Drilla Empire, Grilla Drilla served among the guards for the Drilla King. Every seven years, the king would select the bravest and strongest guard to become their leader. It was during the last selection ceremony that a troll mining operation broke through the ground above them and quickly snatched the king, wanting to know the location of the famed Drilla Diamond. Having never ventured above ground, Grilla Drilla risked everything to defeat the trolls and rescue the Drilla King. In return for his bravery, Grilla was selected as the new leader. But he instead decided to join the Skylanders, where he could protect even more residents of Skylands. HOOT LOOP Magic /Teleport “Let's Ruffle Some Feathers!” Hoot Loop was raised by a guild of magicians in Skylands’ most famous traveling circus.** At a young age, he perfected illusions and spells that only the very best of their guild could perform, and even mastered the art of teleportation!** Soon enough, he became the star of the show, known far and wide as the Amazing Hoot Loop.** However, one day an army of Greebles disguised as clowns invaded, determined to destroy the popular circus.** It was then that Hoot Loop gave a performance that few would ever forget.** Using his incredible powers, he fought off the invaders and saved the circus - to the raucous applause of the many spectators – including Master Eon, who presented Hoot Loop with an opportunity to learn some real magic as a member of the Skylanders. MAGNA CHARGE Tech/Speed “Attract To Attack!” Magna Charge came from the great race of Ultron robots, but was mysteriously created with a giant magnet head. This proved problematic, as his peers were all made of metal and were constantly being pulled towards him.** As a result, Magna Charge was exiled to a faraway island, where he eventually learned to control his magnetic powers. After years of training, he returned to his home to demonstrate his abilities, but found everything completely destroyed.** In searching for answers, Magna Charge caught the attention of Master Eon, who realized the unique Ultron soldier was a perfect candidate for the Skylanders. NIGHT SHIFT Undead/Teleport “Roll With the Punches!” From high up in the gloomy Batcrypt Mountains, Night Shift was a full-fledged baron and heir to a great fortune.** But one day he decided to leave it all behind to pursue his dream as a prizefighter. It wasn’t long before Night Shift became the undefeated phantom-weight champion of Skylands, famous for his massive uppercut and for having once bitten an opponent in the ring.** Unfortunately, a rule change made teleportation illegal and Night Shift was forced to give up his belt, officially ending his career as a boxer. Crestfallen over being disqualified from a sport he loved so dearly, his spirits picked up when he was sought out by Master Eon, who told him that his skill as a fighter could be put to great use as a member of the Skylanders. RATTLE SHAKE Undead/Bounce “Go Ahead - Snake My Day!” Some say Rattle Shake was the best tracker in the Cloudbreak Islands. Others say he could strike the center of a gold coin at a thousand paces. But the legend of Rattle Shake was immortalized when he found himself trapped by the Black Hat Gang, the infamous group of cowboys who literally were large cows… and evil ones at that. They threatened to plunder the local village unless Rattle Shake led them inside the magical volcano Mt. Cloudbreak, where they hoped to discover enchanted treasure. Badly outnumbered, the ever calm Rattle Shake magically summoned every snake in the area and overtook the notorious bovines in an epic fight. The tale of his heroism was heard by Master Eon, who then recruited him to the Skylanders. STINK BOMB Life/Stealth “Clear the Air!” Stink Bomb studied martial arts under one of the greatest ninja masters in history, who believed that surprise was the key to finding your true self.** Thus, his master would constantly jump out and frighten him, hoping that it would scare Stink Bomb into finding his innermost strength. On one such occasion, Stink Bomb was so surprised that he instinctively released a cloud of vapor so pungent that it caused his master to disappear and never return. With this newly discovered ability, Stink Bomb developed his own form of martial arts known as Kung Fume, and wandered the land teaching it to all those who wished to learn.** It was not long before the news (and smell) of this new form reached Master Eon, who sought out the young ninja at once. WASH BUCKLER Water/Climb “Eight Legs and No Pegs!” Wash Buckler was an orphan Mermasquid, who grew up on one of the roughest pirate ships in Skylands. While most pirates were interested in pillaging and plundering, Wash Buckler had other ideas for the future of pirating. Over the years, he earned the respect of his crew and eventually convinced his fellow pirates that they didn’t all need to be cantankerous bad guys.** Thus, they set forward doing heroic deeds.** Of course, this new good guy image did not sit well with other pirating crews, who attempted to sabotage Wash Buckler at every turn.** But he was no ordinary pirate, and he defended his ship and his crew against the many attacking hordes.** It was then that Master Eon took notice of Wash Buckler and asked him to join the Skylanders. CORE CHARACTERS COUNTDOWN Tech “I'm the Bomb!” Countdown was discovered by a group of Yetis who were snowboarding one particularly chilly morning when they came across a big bomb encased in ice.** After bringing it back to their cabin, they were shocked when it actually came to life. No one, not even Countdown himself, has any memory of where he came from or how he ended up frozen in the mountains.** Since becoming a Skylander, Master Eon has been graciously trying to help piece together fragments of his past. But this has proven difficult, as Countdown loses some of his memory every time he explodes – which happens a lot. In the meantime, Countdown has enjoyed working with Eon and fighting alongside the Skylanders to defend their world against evil – even though he occasionally forgets what he is doing. ROLLER BRAWL Undead “Let's Roll!” Roller Brawl grew up with five older vampire brothers, who were all very big and overprotective.** Being the smallest of her family, she learned how to use her speed and cunning to become one of the toughest jammers in the Undead Roller Derby League.** It was during the championship match when she caught the eye of Kaos, who fell head-over-heels in love with her.** But when her overprotective brothers stepped in, Kaos had them captured by Drow and taken prisoner. Roller Brawl swore revenge, but even with her impressive skills, she was no match for an entire Drow army.** Having developed a strong distaste for evil, she joined up with the Skylanders to fight against Kaos – while never giving up on her search for her brothers. SLOBBER TOOTH Earth “Clobber and Slobber!” Having been asleep for thousands of years, Slobber Tooth was awakened by the fiery eruption of two volcanic islands crashing together. Immediately sought out by Kaos to become one of his minions, Slobber Tooth was promised great power. But the gruff and headstrong fighter chose to follow his own path instead. For this, Kaos attacked his ancient petrified homeland. As the only one who could protect his hibernating race, Slobber Tooth fought tooth and tail against Kaos and his minions, ultimately driving them away. For his heroism, Master Eon asked Slobber Tooth to join the Skylanders, where he could continue defending Skylands against the evil Kaos. STAR STRIKE Magic “Shoot For the Stars!” Looking for a way to magically banish the Skylanders, Kaos poured through every dusty scroll and ancient tome he could find. Upon stumbling across a rare and extremely powerful spell, he began to recite its words. However, he sneezed midway through the incantation. As a result, instead of sending the Skylanders far away, Star Strike was plucked from her home in the distant cosmos and brought into Skylands. Surprised, Kaos thought he’d won a powerful new ally in the mysterious and reserved Star Strike. But she knew evil when she saw it and promptly unleashed her fierce magical powers on him. Word of her victory over Kaos spread quickly and she was soon asked by Master Eon to join the Skylanders. ZOO LOU Life “Nature Calls!” Descended from a long line of shamans, Zoo Lou traveled far and wide to the Seven Strange Strongholds – ancient, mysterious sites of great wonder in Skylands – where he studied the wisdom and fighting styles of the Seven Strange Mages. After many years of traveling and studying, Zoo Lou returned to find an army of trolls had invaded his sacred homeland to mine its natural magic resources. Zoo Lou’s warrior heart burned with fury. And having now mastered the enchanted art of communicating with nature and summoning animals, he unleashed his great mojo – attacking the trolls and single handedly freeing his lands once again. It was this heroic feat that caught the eye of Double Trouble, who then brought Zoo Lou to Master Eon and the Skylanders.
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#4794 Posted: 09:36:44 21/08/2013
So, does this mean the Darkstarter's portal isn't unique?
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#4795 Posted: 09:39:17 21/08/2013
The portal from the vid looks like the dark one but isnt they probably just updated the idea of the portal colour
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#4796 Posted: 09:48:51 21/08/2013
I noticed they are overusing the 'caught the eye of' phrase in those bios..
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#4797 Posted: 09:51:43 21/08/2013
Got ninja'd by that Biography post.
Wow, lot of information! Kaos has a crush on Roller Brawl... YAYZ! For some reason the stories didn't feel extremely original, (Zoo Lou's felt taken out of an anime), but they're still pretty good. Eon certainly travels a lot. ALSO (I do not claim to find this video, GIANTSRULE did, I'm just embedding it here) While not quite confirmed (the interviewer asked, and the interview-ee sorta changed the subject), it would appear Dark variants have the same basic moveset as their light counterparts. That FGTV video featuring the Darkstarter, well, Gulla-whateverhisnameis () stated what DMRS's wowpow is, and it sounds identical to his normal S3 counterpart. They also "behave" the same as their regular versions. "It's really their look that's different." I'm having second thoughts regarding the Darkstarter if the change is entirely ascetic. Also, has anyone posted this video yet. EVEN MORE Grilla Drilla gameplay:
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#4798 Posted: 09:51:49 21/08/2013
i find Roller Brawl's backstory kinda , interesting
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#4799 Posted: 09:59:31 21/08/2013
http://kotaku.com/not-all-new-...rtoo-1176345962 slobber tooth gameplay
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#4800 Posted: 10:00:28 21/08/2013
Quote: wreckingballbob
No. The compatibility chart last year said that lightcore versions of characters that originated in Spyro's Adventure would only work in Giants, and not in Spyro's Adventure, but they do. The compatibility charts are not necessarily true. |
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