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But they are very little things. And I don't think Classic Spyro fans would oppose platforming.
So yeah, it's false to say DotD is bad because of fan suggestions.
People who think it's bad don't like it because it's not their type of game in general. Or, if you play for story, then DotD's plotholes are a punch in the face for some fans. That's why people don't like it, not fan suggestions.

Sorry Brawler, but that's what they wanted, they got it, and they still hated it. There's no other way to explain it.

Picky, picky...

"Spyro's too ugly!"

"No, change his snout a little."

"Still looks kinda ugly."

"Change his eye color to purple."

"Make him look like Classic Spyro self again, with his Original design."

"Ugh, he still looks like the Skylanders design."

"Can you make him less ugly than he already his??

"I don't like Cynder's design."

"Spyro looks chuncky."

"I don't like the story. I prefered it like this."

"OMG SPYRO'S DEAD NOW!"

"What were they thinking?"

"The gameplay isn't what I wanted."

"I speak for all gamers when I say this game sucks."

"He shouldn't have green eyes."

How'd that last one get in there?

"This isn't MY Spyro!!!"

"What did they do to my childhood??!!"

"That is not Spyro."

"R.I.P Spyro The******** Dragon 1998-2000."

"Spyro******** doesn't even look like Spyro in there. It's a shame to call the purple ripped off model Spyro."

"THIS GAME IS******** ****ING ****! Its oriented towards little children!"

^What the heck is that 3 letter swear? I can't think of any that would fit that situation. X3

"I didn't want this. Nobody wanted this!"

"Why isn't Sparx in this game!?!?!? SPYRO'S DEAD NOW!"

"Where's my precious Cynder? It's not a Spyro game without Cynder!" (note the irony)

"I'm going to complain to Activison, and get them to stop this game!"

"WTF IS THIS WTF IS THIS WTF IS THIS WTF IS THIS WTF IS THIS WTF IS THIS" (x20)

NOTE: That last one is actually real. It was the second highest rated comment on the Skylanders trailer for a while.

Quote: CAV

Sorry Brawler, but that's what they wanted, they got it, and they still hated it. There's no other way to explain it.

I know they hated it, but who said it was for the suggestions they gave? What I'm saying is they hated it for the bigger details, not the fan ones, which were pretty small details.
(They'd probably have too much pride to hate it for stuff they suggested!)

Quote: CAV

^What the heck is that 3 letter swear? I can't think of any that would fit that situation. X3

"I didn't want this. Nobody wanted this!"

"Why isn't Sparx in this game!?!?!? SPYRO'S DEAD NOW!"

"Where's my precious Cynder? It's not a Spyro game without Cynder!" (note the irony)

"I'm going to complain to Activison, and get them to stop this game!"

"WTF IS THIS WTF IS THIS WTF IS THIS WTF IS THIS WTF IS THIS WTF IS THIS" (x20)

NOTE: That last one is actually real. It was the second highest rated comment on the Skylanders trailer for a while.

Oops, I forgot to add a fourth star to the swear '.

lol some of the posts I posted are real too, from youtube comments. :3

^If you wanted 4 stars, just say the actual curse. It will censor itself.

And for the most part, I made generalizations of the posts/comments I've seen. They are the most common.

Quote: sonicbrawler182

I know they hated it, but who said it was for the suggestions they gave? What I'm saying is they hated it for the bigger details, not the fan ones, which were pretty small details.
(They'd probably have too much pride to hate it for stuff they suggested!)

They aren't small details when it comes to things like free flight, and the inclusion of Hunter, a fan-favorite whom becomes an important supporting character.

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Bringing back old characters didn't effect gameplay.

There were too many ape enemy types, so this was a nice change.

Final boss fight while flying....bit particular, but it makes sense.

More platforming? Why the hell not!?

I don't think the last one happens in DotD.

So yeah, I don't see how these things caused people to hate the game.

It did occur in TEN, and the fury in DotD did have an after effect (special breath attack).

I remembered another request: an enemy boss that is a level.

Quote: sonicbrawler182

But they are very little things. And I don't think Classic Spyro fans would oppose platforming.
So yeah, it's false to say DotD is bad because of fan suggestions.
People who think it's bad don't like it because it's not their type of game in general. Or, if you play for story, then DotD's plotholes are a punch in the face for some fans. That's why people don't like it, not fan suggestions.

DotD tried to do too much in too little time. It was a good start, but they did not finish polishing it so that it could really shine.

The time wouldn't of been so little if it weren't for the merger. It was an unexpected rush job. I also think Skylanders had something to do with DotD being rushed....

It's kind of like having an ETD but in LoS style, lol.

Brawler, Skylanders didn't begin development until January of 2009. The game had already been out for 4 months.

You'd think that the publisher would realise that rushing a game would make it crap.

Oh, but did it?
Remember that little comment Activision made?

"The game has been in development for two and a half years, an unprecedented amount of time for a kids game."

So, the game was announced in February 2011.
Two years before that is February 2009.
Another half a year back, and you're at August 2008.

DotD was released in October 21st 2008 in the USA, and November 21st 2008 in Europe.

So, if Activision were being truthful, Skylanders started development two months before DotD was first released.

Or sonicbrawler could be making up a random excuse for the development of being rushed.

It's not random, as I used evidence.
We are told it was because of the merger, but I find that Skylanders comment all too convenient. Activision tend to have more than one game be developed for one franchise at any given time.

Okay then, whatever.

Quote: SuperSpyroFan

You'd think that the publisher would realise that rushing a game would make it crap.

Yeah, but all publishers want is a game to reach the deadline.

Quote: sonicbrawler182

Oh, but did it?
Remember that little comment Activision made?

"The game has been in development for two and a half years, an unprecedented amount of time for a kids game."

So, the game was announced in February 2011.
Two years before that is February 2009.
Another half a year back, and you're at August 2008.

DotD was released in October 21st 2008 in the USA, and November 21st 2008 in Europe.

So, if Activision were being truthful, Skylanders started development two months before DotD was first released.

From what I've heard, the game has been in development since January 2009.

And even still, how would it rush the game? Skylanders is being developed by a completely different developer to DotD. And odds are they didn't think of putting Spyro in there, until probably last year. Therefore, it's not development of two games in one franchise. They were two different franchises, until they deicded to put the character in. So I fail to see how it would harm development of DotD.

There is no proof that they put Spyro in later.
How would it rush the game?
Easy - Get DotD out of the way so they can focus on Skylanders, the one with all the peripherals that they can put a price on.

Also, we were told it was because of Sierra's merger with Activision Blizzard. But why would a simple merger cause the game to be rushed?
Because Activision wanted to do what THEY wanted with Spyro(Skylanders), and to do that, they needed to get the Sierra Spyro out of the way(LoS). So when they merge with Sierra, they order Sierra to order EL to finish up the game early.

I must say though, they done a good job of hiding that.

It was told that they put in Spyro for recognition. Ergo, they didn't put him at first, or at least didn't think about it.

And even still, how would the game be rushed when it's made by a completely different developer?

Still sounds like Sonicbrawler is making up an excuse for it.

Quote: SuperSpyroFan

Still sounds like Sonicbrawler is making up an excuse for it.

I'm not going to say he is or isn't.

Since there is no evidence to back up his point, to me, it sounds like an excuse he has made up, and just thought about it thouroughly (can't spell) trying to make some sense of what he is saying, which it does make sense, but my point is he is making it up in the first place.

An excuse for what?

Quote: Darby

An excuse for what?

An excuse for why DOTD was rushed in development.

SSF, DotD was rushed because of the merger with Activision. That came "straight from the horse's mouth". It's 100% true.

However, the other things I mentioned are things I believe are very possibly true, due to some detective work. But they are not confirmed. They are merely theories. But I used logic and reasoning to come to them. I didn't just randomly pull them out of my ass.

Quote: sonicbrawler182

SSF, DotD was rushed because of the merger with Activision. That came "straight from the horse's mouth". It's 100% true.

However, the other things I mentioned are things I believe are very possibly true, due to some detective work. But they are not confirmed. They are merely theories. But I used logic and reasoning to come to them. I didn't just randomly pull them out of my ass.

That first piece is understandable.

But the last piece still doesn't make sense. How would development of Skylanders interfere with DotD when it's two completely different developers?

Quote: sonicbrawler182

SSF, DotD was rushed because of the merger with Activision. That came "straight from the horse's mouth". It's 100% true.

However, the other things I mentioned are things I believe are very possibly true, due to some detective work. But they are not confirmed. They are merely theories. But I used logic and reasoning to come to them. I didn't just randomly pull them out of my ass.

How can you do any detective work on it? You can't really say that DOTD was rushed because of Skylanders. I believe that Activision really started to work on Spyro in 2009, which apparently was in June. I don't understand why they say that it's been two years though because June 2010 would have been one year and June 2011 would be the second.

I'm not sure in this situation. The only possibility I can think of is that Activision were being awkward and wanted LoS done, ASAP.

However, it does happen. For example, Call of Duty: Space Warfare has been delayed as help was needed for MW3, so they got the development team of Space Warfare to help on MW3......so I've heard anyway....not a CoD fan, so I don't follow it much, I read this on an article on Gamesradar though.

But again, my previous posts were just theories. They are not confirmed, but very possible.

To me, it's just that they wanted to reach the deadline of October, so it could be in stores in time for the holidays. That's how E.T. and Pac-Man for the Atari, the first and third worst games of all time (respectively) ended up so bad. Because they were rushed to reach the deadline.

They are theories and nothing else to me.

Quote: CAV

To me, it's just that they wanted to reach the deadline of October, so it could be in stores in time for the holidays. That's how E.T. and Pac-Man for the Atari, the first and third worst games of all time (respectively) ended up so bad. Because they were rushed to reach the deadline.

But that's the thing....there was NO reason to rush DotD for the holidays. Activision had their own, much more popular games coming out at the time. And other companies had much more popular games scheduled at that time too. So I don't see why they would rush it simply for the holidays. They couldn't of done that....there must be something more to it....

They did have a reason: More money for them. Even if it was just a little, it was still more money, and a good way to cash in on the kids that don't play violent video games. Basically, DotD was suppose to be the CoD of the holiday season for kids.

But they would of made more money had they released it later. There were bigger "kids" games coming at that time too.

Meh. What can you do? It's Activision, kings of bad business decisions.

But I think even they are not stupid enough to make a decision like that. There must be more to it. But we'll never find out, unfortunately.

If they are willing to milk CoD, Guitar Hero, and Tony Hawk all at once, I'm pretty sure they could come up with a dumb idea like that.

But thay are all really well known, so from a money stand point, it's a great idea to milk them for a bit. Spyro isn't milkable(Skylanders looks set to change that though).

Ok, but that doesn't mean they can't come up with another stupid idea. And to rush DotD in time for the precious release date was one of them.

And Spyro wouldn't be milked if the game is successful. Skylanders will.

Publishers/Developers milk games WHEN they are successful. If people love the first, they'll cough up money for a sequel, and then it keeps going for a while.

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Guys, you do realize that if you're going to act all snobby and stubborn, Activision might stop making Spyro all together? I mean, if Skylanders receives enough complaints, Activision might just end it all. And it already has received enough complaints...

You're all judging the book by its cover. Seriously, just shut up and play the darn game first before you go starting riots.

Good job, Activision.

see you say your surprise d but to be honest i dont expect anything less.

if you recall correctly, when the legend of spyro series was brought into the game world there were a good few complaints. no one was happy about how spyro was changing and tbh, i think this is the cause of all the complaints...people who didnt like the new legend of spyro have adpated only to find the series is being rebooted AGAIN. I mean who wouldn't be annoyed.

if activision focuss on merley the complaints there loss cause there are a lot of people are excited about the new game.

I aint happy that they have changed spyro and they aren't carrying on with the LOS series but im willing to give the new game a try. i do agree a game shouldn't be judged by its cover and it should be given a chance however, i understand why people would be less forgiving.

If anyone can milk a video game series it's Activision!

milk it like a cow, milk it like cow.......

Quote: BlackNight12

If anyone can milk a video game series it's Activision!

milk it like a cow, milk it like cow.......

How is this milking Spyro? This is his first game in 3 years. That's not milking. Call of Duty is being milked, since there's a new game every year. But Spyro? No.

Quote: CAV

Quote: BlackNight12

If anyone can milk a video game series it's Activision!

milk it like a cow, milk it like cow.......

How is this milking Spyro? This is his first game in 3 years. That's not milking. Call of Duty is being milked, since there's a new game every year. But Spyro? No.

BlackNight was referring to how Activision will most likely milk Spyro after this game is successful.

^Correctomundo! However, they may as well rnd up milking the Skyladers franchise.

In a way, they are already milking it. 16 toys you have to PAY for at release, and another 16 later.

Ahh, true. well, let's wait and see how many cartons they can fill.

Quote: BlackNight12

^Correctomundo! However, they may as well rnd up milking the Skyladers franchise.

They won't milk Spyro, more than they will milk Skylanders. Spyro isn't really worth milking, especially when he won't be the reason people buy this game.