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At least the newcommers Corrin and Bayonetta have unique movesets.

Also Corrin turns into a dragon!

THATS THE KIND OF ATTITUDE I LIKE TO SEE

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I still don't see why you don't like human fighters, what's the reason for that?

Do you really want be to be here all day? Why don't I just put it all in a nutshell: I'm misanthropic. Plus, I am sick and tired of companies always assuming that just because we are humans that everything should only have them and nothing else.

I would definitely like to be here all day to hear a legitimate reason. Smash Bros is a collection of fighters from Nintendo's franchises and third-parties, human and non-human. Nowhere in the title or game does it specify or suggest that they all have to be non-human. We're Human, the base design for many characters of so many games. Do you not like every game that has a human in it, because you honestly make it sound like that.

To my understanding Mugo's issue is both having less enjoyment of human characters and the feeling that Smash Bros has more than enough human characters (particularly realistic human characters a la FE guys).

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Lucas bringing the announcement of DLC

I think you forgot Mewtwo

Two baes and Cloud. I'm so hyped. :)

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Not just #1 in Europe, #1 worldwide.

And among the top 5 in America as well.

I imagine characters in NA that placed above her are those like Snake or Banjo. Bayonetta is kind of the easier and in some ways more sensible choice than those two.

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What would they feel if K. Rool or Wolf got in? Honestly, I don't see any reason why I should be happy for them.

You don't have to be happy for them and you have every right to not bother with any of them. Though considering how good they look (Bayonetta in particular looking top tier bound from the get go) people do feel like you shouldn't ignore giving them a chance just because they're human, myself included.

Would you at least give them a try if a friend of yours had them and let you try them out without having to spend your own money?

I know I sound a bit angry and upset, and I really shouldn't be hard on the people who like those characters, but as for giving them a chance? I already decided I wouldn't spend money on them, so I will probably never get to experience how they play. Is that wrong?

Also,since tons of people are now considering checking out the series, I cooould recommend the anime adaptation of the first game, Bayonetta Bloody Fate, but I heard it's subpar in the usual Gonzo manner. If you want to get into the series,possibly a good place to start,but I haven't watched it since the first game doesn't need any adaptations for the crazy stuff it pulls, not to mention it spoils the first game's twist.

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I know I sound a bit angry and upset, and I really shouldn't be hard on the people who like those characters, but as for giving them a chance? I already decided I wouldn't spend money on them, so I will probably never get to experience how they play. Is that wrong?

It's not necessarily wrong to decide you don't want to pay money for these characters you don't like. Several people in here have expressed that they don't really want to. The reason people are getting on your case is the reasoning behind it, that being only that they're human.

But again, if you have a friend who plays Smash and gets the characters would you be willing to try them out? It wouldn't cost you a dime and people wouldn't really be able to get on you by saying "well you haven't even played them".

Plot Twist: Mugo's main is a Human.

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Not just #1 in Europe, #1 worldwide.

And among the top 5 in America as well.

I imagine characters in NA that placed above her are those like Snake or Banjo. Bayonetta is kind of the easier and in some ways more sensible choice than those two.

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What would they feel if K. Rool or Wolf got in? Honestly, I don't see any reason why I should be happy for them.

You don't have to be happy for them and you have every right to not bother with any of them. Though considering how good they look (Bayonetta in particular looking top tier bound from the get go) people do feel like you shouldn't ignore giving them a chance just because they're human, myself included.

Would you at least give them a try if a friend of yours had them and let you try them out without having to spend your own money?

I know I sound a bit angry and upset, and I really shouldn't be hard on the people who like those characters, but as for giving them a chance? I already decided I wouldn't spend money on them, so I will probably never get to experience how they play. Is that wrong?

It's no different than me choosing not to buy Lucas because I don't like Earthbound, or the decision that if K. Rool was announced that i wouldn't buy him. Its your choice what you spend your money on.

You can't really argue that besides Mewtwo, we didn't get anything other than human fighters. I'm fine with them since they're all somewhat unique (I stand by my thoughts on clones from pre-DLC), but putting them all side by side, characters like Wolf, K. Rool, Toad, Rayman, and Bandanna Dee could've added some nice variety and spice to the lineup.

It's kinda fitting how a Bayonetta 2 trailer was featured alongside Smash 4 back in 2013, and now 2 years later Smash 4 closes with a Bayonetta trailer.

I would've personally preferred Issac compared to Corrin. I do like how unique Corrin looks compared to other FE fighters though.

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Lucas bringing the announcement of DLC

I think you forgot Mewtwo

Mewtwo was the first DLC, but Sakurai kept denying further DLC after him until Lucas literally came out of nowhere.

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This thread is heating up enough that the salt might boil out on its own...

I think there's so much salt that it's becoming a nonrenewable resource at this point...

Also, kind of upset Bandana Dee didn't make the cut, but oh well, maybe next game. And it was kind of a lost cause to hope for any Cave Story or Shantae representation, but i'm glad fans supported both of them for smash anyways.

Even though I'm kind of mixed on Corrin, I'm still satisfied with what we got overall. surprised it took this long for the hype train to actually reach me though. I don't think I freaked over a character reveal the way I did Bayonetta.

I was disappointed with the overall content. We only got two newly announced characters and 1 new stage.

And while I'm no "I only like specific kinds of characters", it does really feel like this DLC line-up has an over-saturation of characters meant for otakus.

I think they should have had at least one more cartoony character for variety's sake.

Regardless, both of the new guys look like awesome fighters, Bayonetta in particular literally looks like they just ported her from the actual games. ZSS and Sheik will see no use in tournaments now, Bayonetta is the same niche but better.

Corrin though, as cool as he/she looks to play, feels so forced. I know we semi had this problem with Greninja but at least they announced him well after his game had come out worldwide. And Lucas may be Japan exclusive, but he's always had a vocal fanbase in the west, clamouring for his game to be localised.

But they literally followed Cloud, an industry icon, up with someone who hasn't been in a game yet. It's just so jarring.

I'm appreciative of what I got but it's a bit of a let down considering it's the final broadcast and content.

But oh well. Sakurai still managed to make a legendary title just for the sheer roster alone.

Oh and hey Rosalina drawn in the style of Waifu Emblem how about that.



EDIT: Forgot the Mii Fighter costumes, ya boi Knuckles looks dope

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I still don't see why you don't like human fighters, what's the reason for that?

Do you really want be to be here all day? Why don't I just put it all in a nutshell: I'm misanthropic. Plus, I am sick and tired of companies always assuming that just because we are humans that everything should only have them and nothing else.

I would definitely like to be here all day to hear a legitimate reason. Smash Bros is a collection of fighters from Nintendo's franchises and third-parties, human and non-human. Nowhere in the title or game does it specify or suggest that they all have to be non-human. We're Human, the base design for many characters of so many games. Do you not like every game that has a human in it, because you honestly make it sound like that.

This isn't the misanthropy topic, this is the smash brothers topic.

Not every character has to be human, but there should be SOME non-humans too. I mean, there are, but come on! Seven DLC characters, and only ONE of them isn't human? Not to mention, all three characters are pretty much the same, just generic anime-humans.

And no, I don't dislike everything that has humans in it, but I do dislike when a game has only human goodguys, and just about everything else, no matter how innocuous, is evil. I don't mind games with only humans or games staring humans that have non-human playables. Like, I'm okay with Final Fantasy 7 and Xenoblade, but I don't have any particular attachment to Cloud Strife or Shulk.

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I know I sound a bit angry and upset, and I really shouldn't be hard on the people who like those characters, but as for giving them a chance? I already decided I wouldn't spend money on them, so I will probably never get to experience how they play. Is that wrong?

It's not necessarily wrong to decide you don't want to pay money for these characters you don't like. Several people in here have expressed that they don't really want to. The reason people are getting on your case is the reasoning behind it, that being only that they're human.

But again, if you have a friend who plays Smash and gets the characters would you be willing to try them out? It wouldn't cost you a dime and people wouldn't really be able to get on you by saying "well you haven't even played them".

To be fair, that's not the reason why. It's because I don't like Fire Emblem or Bayonetta, nor do I like any particular character from those games. I have nothing against Final Fantasy 7, though, but I have no real attachment to Cloud as I said above.

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I was disappointed with the overall content. We only got two newly announced characters and 1 new stage.

And while I'm no "I only like specific kinds of characters", it does really feel like this DLC line-up has an over-saturation of characters meant for otakus.

I think they should have had at least one more cartoony character for variety's sake.

Regardless, both of the new guys look like awesome fighters, Bayonetta in particular literally looks like they just ported her from the actual games. ZSS and Sheik will see no use in tournaments now, Bayonetta is the same niche but better.

Corrin though, as cool as he/she looks to play, feels so forced. I know we semi had this problem with Greninja but at least they announced him well after his game had come out worldwide. And Lucas may be Japan exclusive, but he's always had a vocal fanbase in the west, clamouring for his game to be localised.

But they literally followed Cloud, an industry icon, up with someone who hasn't been in a game yet. It's just so jarring.

I'm appreciative of what I got but it's a bit of a let down considering it's the final broadcast and content.

But oh well. Sakurai still managed to make a legendary title just for the sheer roster alone.

Oh and hey Rosalina drawn in the style of Waifu Emblem how about that.

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I wonder how much time Mugo spends writing about something I'm not even keeping up with

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I would've personally preferred Issac compared to Corrin. I do like how unique Corrin looks compared to other FE fighters though.

I'd like to expand on this and how both FE "Avatars" have really unique attacks. Robin is all about magic and has a lot of ranged attacks, and Corrin has all those cool dragon powers to accompany their usual swordswork. It's really refreshing compared to Marth, Ike, Roy, and Lucina, who are all swordwielders.

I was able to watch this on a livestream and while I not the most educated on FE and Bayonette but there great additions I hope all smash fans can appreciate and be able to play as these amazing fighters and enjoy themselves lot of work has been put in to making these fighters and maps I think we should just avoid salt for Sakurai were lucky he even made this content for us so seriously don't be salty stay positive. Hope you all enjoy the new DLC! (Gone to see other peoples reactions)

I was honestly thinking another Kid Icarus character when Bayonetta's trailer showed up due to the huge focus on them. At first Hades when Palutena said to not get careless, then once I heard the voice I thought Pandora. Still cool how they had a big part in her trailer regardless. I wonder if this means the DLC will be getting Palutena's Temple codecs. They obviously have the VA's back in to record things.

I really enjoy the details of Bayonetta's poster/artwork. Villager being on the Demon's side is funny.

Villager's just admiring the view.

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I was honestly thinking another Kid Icarus character when Bayonetta's trailer showed up due to the huge focus on them. At first Hades when Palutena said to not get careless, then once I heard the voice I thought Pandora. Still cool how they had a big part in her trailer regardless. I wonder if this means the DLC will be getting Palutena's Temple codecs. They obviously have the VA's back in to record things.

Same,but for a second I thought older Viridi(since she couldn't be fought because kid),then I saw the moon and heard about angels and I think my head was too busy screaming internally to hear anything else.

I will admit, while I am interested in Corrin, I wasn't too thrilled about it as it is a 6th FE character and one so new. Obvious promotional material is obvious. Would've preferred someone a bit more iconic like Banjo Kazooie or just unique in general (Neku Sakuraba, imagine the possibilities for his attacks). I was happy to see Tails as a Mii costume, but still.... I've never played his game, but I still would've rather seen Issac than Corrin. Same goes for Wonder Red. Heck, I'd have gone nuts for a Tales rep.

I will still get Corrin and am interested in trying him, but I'm not really hyped for him.

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Do you really want be to be here all day? Why don't I just put it all in a nutshell: I'm misanthropic. Plus, I am sick and tired of companies always assuming that just because we are humans that everything should only have them and nothing else.

I would definitely like to be here all day to hear a legitimate reason. Smash Bros is a collection of fighters from Nintendo's franchises and third-parties, human and non-human. Nowhere in the title or game does it specify or suggest that they all have to be non-human. We're Human, the base design for many characters of so many games. Do you not like every game that has a human in it, because you honestly make it sound like that.

This isn't the misanthropy topic, this is the smash brothers topic.

Not every character has to be human, but there should be SOME non-humans too. I mean, there are, but come on! Seven DLC characters, and only ONE of them isn't human? Not to mention, all three characters are pretty much the same, just generic anime-humans.

And no, I don't dislike everything that has humans in it, but I do dislike when a game has only human goodguys, and just about everything else, no matter how innocuous, is evil. I don't mind games with only humans or games staring humans that have non-human playables. Like, I'm okay with Final Fantasy 7 and Xenoblade, but I don't have any particular attachment to Cloud Strife or Shulk.

That's the problem, they're not just the same. When a game is being developed from Japan and characters created from Japanese artists, of course they're going to have a somewhat anime feel, but they all have different personalities, move sets, and are different beings.

I hope Corrin being in the game means Nintendo is willing to give FE a LOT more attention. It's kind of pointless for them to have one of the most-represented games on the roster also be one of their most underrated/under-appreciated from time to time.

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Corrin though, as cool as he/she looks to play, feels so forced. I know we semi had this problem with Greninja but at least they announced him well after his game had come out worldwide. And Lucas may be Japan exclusive, but he's always had a vocal fanbase in the west, clamouring for his game to be localised.
But they literally followed Cloud, an industry icon, up with someone who hasn't been in a game yet. It's just so jarring.

To be fair to Corrin though, Fire Emblem Fates has gotten the same acclaim in Japan as Awakening did, so it's not exactly forced. The game did incredibly well and got exceptional reviews, I really don't see the issue here.

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I really enjoy the details of Bayonetta's poster/artwork. Villager being on the Demon's side is funny.

I gotta say, I'm really loving this poster. I'm not the biggest Bayonetta fan, but seeing her alongside favorites of mine like Shulk, Lucina, Mega Man, Ryu, and Little Mac literally gave me goosebumps. I might have to find a way to get that and make some wall room...

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I hope Corrin being in the game means Nintendo is willing to give FE a LOT more attention. It's kind of pointless for them to have one of the most-represented games on the roster also be one of their most underrated/under-appreciated from time to time.

I really hope so. The FE games continue to do well, but there's always the chance that future titles won't come to the West.

Yeah, that poster is amazing. Palutena VS Ganondorf is a battle I'd like to see!

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Plot Twist: Mugo's main is a Human.

If I recall correctly it's Bowser.

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To be fair, that's not the reason why. It's because I don't like Fire Emblem or Bayonetta, nor do I like any particular character from those games. I have nothing against Final Fantasy 7, though, but I have no real attachment to Cloud as I said above.

Oh, then fair enough no issue there. You have every right to not spend money on characters from games you don't like. I personally want a full roster so I'm getting everyone regardless (I have no experience with FF VII; I'm just starting to experience the franchise with FF X). They could've gone with Shrek and I would've probably still bought.

oh yeah the cloud Dlc is happening today is it already released just curious?...must be a gong show right now or when it happens

Can anyone else not get Cloud? He's not even showing up for me.

and rip wulf </3

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Can anyone else not get Cloud? He's not even showing up for me.

and rip wulf </3

He's probably not out just yet. They didn't say directly after the show but rather at some point today. Just hold on a bit.

When the eShop crashes you know he's there.

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To be fair to Corrin though, Fire Emblem Fates has gotten the same acclaim in Japan as Awakening did, so it's not exactly forced. The game did incredibly well and got exceptional reviews, I really don't see the issue here.

Smash is billed as a host to "Nintendo/Gaming All-Stars"

Corrin does not fit that definition at the present time. That cannot be argued. And he came right after literally the most iconic JRPG character of all time. A random new anime swordfighter came after THE anime swordfighter of gaming.

That's why it's jarring.

Corrin looks unique and great as a fighter but as a character it really does kinda feel too promotional, especially when FE may only do so well in Japan (you cannot deny Fates is targeted towards the Japanese market/otaku culture, it very strictly appeals to that market). Corrin cannot be classified as "beloved" by any stretch as it stands right now.

I know people asked for Inklings but their game is out internationally and is showing no signs of laying low.

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oh yeah the cloud Dlc is happening today is it already released just curious?...must be a gong show right now or when it happens

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Can anyone else not get Cloud? He's not even showing up for me.

and rip wulf </3

Sakurai said it would be later tonight, he might of said something about there maybe being technical difficulties, but I'm at work so I didn't pay very close attention.

So apparently new stuff has just been leaked right after the broadcast. Supposedly we're getting one more new character, and if this is a real leak then the fanbase is going to go even more nuts than when Cloud was confirmed:



EDIT: also found this.

Bayonetta can counter's Little Mac's KO punch.

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So apparently new stuff has just been leaked right after the broadcast. Supposedly we're getting one more new character, and if this is a real leak then the fanbase is going to go even more nuts than when Cloud was confirmed:

Reveal Spoiler

HOLY ****ING ****

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oh yeah the cloud Dlc is happening today is it already released just curious?...must be a gong show right now or when it happens

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Can anyone else not get Cloud? He's not even showing up for me.

and rip wulf </3

Sakurai said it would be later tonight, he might of said something about there maybe being technical difficulties, but I'm at work so I didn't pay very close attention.

Understandable it's still quite a rush to get the dlc out right now they should take some time. I want to know how crazy the servers may get and how cloud and the new stage Midgar are. hope you all enjoy the content.

Seeing Corrin makes me so happy aaaaaaaa

I honestly assumed Corrin would be saved for a Smash title on the NX or something. I may have a new Fire Emblem main...

I can't say I saw Bayonetta coming. She's the ballot winner, right? I'll admit, I didn't play the Bayonetta series and have no interest in doing so (the fanservice is a bit too much for me to ignore, sorry it's really not my thing), but I'll probably get her for completion's sake and because she actually looks fun.

Still shocked at the lack of Inklings, but oh well.

Well,it's fine, I've seen several people I look up to that can't get into Bayonetta because of the fanservice (not gonna lie,rolled my eyes at the second game's battle intro(as in fanservice quota for the first few levels) because it was SO MUCH longer than the first's), and apparently yeah she's the ballot winner. But ingame this definately seems to have been mostly removed except for the dances, since the combos are all violence and style.

I also spent two pages just squeeing over this, so sorry for barging in to talk about a single character >w>

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So apparently new stuff has just been leaked right after the broadcast. Supposedly we're getting one more new character, and if this is a real leak then the fanbase is going to go even more nuts than when Cloud was confirmed:

Reveal Spoiler

EDIT: also found this.

Are we seriously getting one more and the hidden spoiler is just a joke, or was the whole post a joke?

But I never said...? ...Never mind.

Anyway, I just went on SEGA Forum and found this:



help im dying

Beautiful. First the Gamefaqs poll drama just made this week pure salt,and now it's just Patagonia.

Just bought Cloud. :3

@JCW555: Oh, okay. Sorry that I read it wrong, then.

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But I never said...? ...Never mind.

Anyway, I just went on SEGA Forum and found this:



help im dying

OHHH GOD I'M DIEING THESE JOKES ARE GREAT!!!

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But I never said...? ...Never mind.

Anyway, I just went on SEGA Forum and found this:



help im dying

Why do people only do this when it comes to anthro characters? I felt like the only person doing this when The World Ends With You "sequel" turned out to be a phone port.

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But I never said...? ...Never mind.

Anyway, I just went on SEGA Forum and found this:



help im dying

Why do people only do this when it comes to anthro characters? I felt like the only person doing this when The World Ends With You "sequel" turned out to be a phone port.

I think it'd be best if you stopped talking now.

New CSS is horrible.