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The xbox one comes out today and I know some people are planning on getting it and skylanders. Here's a topic to discuss the goods and bads of it. I have a Wii U now and was planning on buying the Xbox One, but wasn't sure if I really needed to get Skylanders with it. Please share...

My big question is: what's the resolution? I've heard XBONE can't handle full resolution in their launch titles.

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My big question is: what's the resolution? I've heard XBONE can't handle full resolution in their launch titles.

I heard the xbox can, just not all devs have coded to their max. So it'll differ between games.

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My big question is: what's the resolution? I've heard XBONE can't handle full resolution in their launch titles.

I heard the xbox can, just not all devs have coded to their max. So it'll differ between games.

Got that...my understanding is the throttling for online games due to removing of the security aspect that they've since distanced themselves on. That being said, I'd like to hear confirmation that SF can operate at 1080 like it's PS4 counterpart. Shouldn't be a problem since neither does online gameplay.

XBONE's memory model from what I hear makes it a bit more difficult to program for...

The Xbox One version runs at 1080p, just like the PS4 (and has all the same graphical features/upgrades).

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My big question is: what's the resolution? I've heard XBONE can't handle full resolution in their launch titles.

I heard the xbox can, just not all devs have coded to their max. So it'll differ between games.

Got that...my understanding is the throttling for online games due to removing of the security aspect that they've since distanced themselves on. That being said, I'd like to hear confirmation that SF can operate at 1080 like it's PS4 counterpart. Shouldn't be a problem since neither does online gameplay.

XBONE's memory model from what I hear makes it a bit more difficult to program for...

he he, I heard from one of the Game companies, EA or whomever, that they said writing the game is basically identical for both platforms now that the hardware and hardware interfaces are almost the same.

I think there's a lot being said by all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. Until we have it in hand to see or a lot more time for the rumors to be proven, we cant do much.

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I heard the xbox can, just not all devs have coded to their max. So it'll differ between games.

Got that...my understanding is the throttling for online games due to removing of the security aspect that they've since distanced themselves on. That being said, I'd like to hear confirmation that SF can operate at 1080 like it's PS4 counterpart. Shouldn't be a problem since neither does online gameplay.

XBONE's memory model from what I hear makes it a bit more difficult to program for...

he he, I heard from one of the Game companies, EA or whomever, that they said writing the game is basically identical for both platforms now that the hardware and hardware interfaces are almost the same.

I think there's a lot being said by all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. Until we have it in hand to see or a lot more time for the rumors to be proven, we cant do much.

I guess it does depend on how the developers write for the gaming system. I suspect most folks will write the COMMON features that require little or no divergence. As a result, for example....I suspect developers will NOT be taking advantage of the ESRAM capabilities in XBOX because that will be a divergence of their code base for just the XBOX platform. Some developers may elect they HAVE to do this because of various performance metric requirements.


If you want to geek out, I liked the following summary:

External features:
http://mashable.com/2013/11/21...tation-4-chart/

Tech Features:
http://www.extremetech.com/gam...e-specs-compare

http://www.extremetech.com/gam...specs-compare/2

I suspect console exclusives is where you will see the relative shine of each of the platforms. I personally think PS4 is technically better, but that won't show on the majority of titles since cross platform "dumb down" will occur.

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The Xbox One version runs at 1080p, just like the PS4 (and has all the same graphical features/upgrades).

nope its actually less powerful and will have 720p as standard and upscale to 900i at best... microsoft sacrificed gaming and focus more on an entertainment box with tv as main focus. this is all well known fact now, the ps4 is much better for games and have the more powerful cpu/ram because its focus is games.

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yes little games can do 1080 but bigger games will run at 15-25fps. its not acceptable so best to run it at 720p for the xbox..

Yeah Xbox One=720p
PS4=1080p

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The Xbox One version runs at 1080p, just like the PS4 (and has all the same graphical features/upgrades).

nope its actually less powerful and will have 720p as standard and upscale to 900i at best... microsoft sacrificed gaming and focus more on an entertainment box with tv as main focus. this is all well known fact now, the ps4 is much better for games and have the more powerful cpu/ram because its focus is games.

No, you are wrong, just plain wrong. Stop being a fanboy. Sony isn't going to reward you for your obedience. The console doesn't need you to talk it up, or downplay the other to succeed. Both will do just fine, in fact you want them to both do well - when competition dies out, we ALL suffer. Look at Madden ever since the NFL2k series went away.

Having entertainment features does not preclude developers from using a higher resolution. In the first generation of games developers often don't have engines running at full and don't know how to best use some features, so performance is typically lower. Compare any "good" release game with any "good" later game in the series, on any console. In fact, many PS4 games have noted frame rate hiccups compared to the XBOne version due to trying to do native 1080p full time.

Call of duty Ghosts upscales to 1080p not 900i, and even the developers admit it was due to unfamiliarity.

Technically true--but articles like these are abound. I will admit I have affinity for PS4 simply because the Kinnect always on crap and $100 more isn't for me. These may be MS working FUD in reverse but who knows.

In reality none of the next gen stuff is making me do flips. I think we've hit a brick wall until the next revolutionary change.

http://www.extremetech.com/gam...than-ps4s-1080p

http://www.eurogamer.net/artic...se-runs-at-900p

http://www.forbes.com/sites/da...ion-on-xbox-one

From what I have read, CoD Ghosts runs at 720p on Xbox One and 1080p on PS4, but has some frame rate issues on PS4. Maybe the game itself is to blame for not being optimized for 1080p, but yeah, running at 1080p doesn't mean better if fluidity is sacrificed.

Video games in general are reaching more and more people that are not hardcore gamers and who would enjoy an entertainment system that doesn't only focus on games with the best graphics ever. That is why Xbox One is there.

Losing focus, I was wondering about the Swap Force version of Xbox, not which one has the bigger manhood.

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Losing focus, I was wondering about the Swap Force version of Xbox, not which one has the bigger manhood.

Well, I doubt many here have ponied up $500 to be a victim of new gen hardware engineering...but I think it's safe to say it's on par with the PS4 version. It's basically like the PS3/Xbox version except they are accentuating the environment (waves in water, more detail in bricks etc). On the whole though I don't think you will recognize much of a difference.

I hope someone uploads PS3/XBO skylander vids so we can see the difference...best thing now is the FGTV videos shortly before launch.

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Technically true--but articles like these are abound. I will admit I have affinity for PS4 simply because the Kinnect always on crap and $100 more isn't for me. These may be MS working FUD in reverse but who knows.

In reality none of the next gen stuff is making me do flips. I think we've hit a brick wall until the next revolutionary change.

http://www.extremetech.com/gam...than-ps4s-1080p

http://www.eurogamer.net/artic...se-runs-at-900p

http://www.forbes.com/sites/da...ion-on-xbox-one

sony sold like a million of ps4 in usa only, over a 24 hours period at release... microsoft sold total of 1 million on their release day in 16 countries. i will tell you this when sony starts selling in europe where the playstation have been the king of consoles. the microsoft xbone will end up to be a tiny minority in gaming worldwide. microsoft can thank them self for this, the bad pr with drm and tvbox focus have reduced them to nearly none relevant for gamers.

also after balmers said he is quitting microsoft, there is talk about next ceo want to cut off the gaming division and focus more on windows products. it is for sure a dark cloud over the xbone as product for the future...

all this info you can find easy on google, if you want more details...

Well, I bought the xbox one yesterday, (didn't get Swap Force) and it's pretty damn awesome. Going to hook my Cable TV (Comcast) into it today so I can play games and watch tv on the same screen.

Kinect cameras quite impressive.

If I can get the Walmart deal + the $10 for $27 I might just pick it up anyways then I can truly compare Wii U and XB1 against each other.


But still: not a PS4 vs XB1 topic.

of course the xbone is awesome for cable tv, that is main focus of it. the games suffer from it too, so it shows....

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sony sold like a million of ps4 in usa only, over a 24 hours period at release... microsoft sold total of 1 million on their release day in 16 countries. i will tell you this when sony starts selling in europe where the playstation have been the king of consoles. the microsoft xbone will end up to be a tiny minority in gaming worldwide. microsoft can thank them self for this, the bad pr with drm and tvbox focus have reduced them to nearly none relevant for gamers.

also after balmers said he is quitting microsoft, there is talk about next ceo want to cut off the gaming division and focus more on windows products. it is for sure a dark cloud over the xbone as product for the future...

all this info you can find easy on google, if you want more details...

There is so much just plain absolute nonsense in your post I don't know where to begin.

Both sold practically every single console that they had for sale on release day. Whether here, there or anywhere they all sold. Almost none were left on the shelves (you could find a few of either in rare pockets of the country).

All of the rest of it is flat out lies. MS is not getting out of the gaming business, that's just Sony fanboy dreams. Sony messed up WAY more with the PS3 than ANYTHING done by either company this generation and it still did just fine. Many of their exclusives were garbage, remember Lair? Assassin's Creed going multi-plat when it was originally exclusive? The $599 price tag? The PS3 had loads of technical issues, remember Bayonetta and Skyrim? All of that and it was still very successful and I really like my PS3.

Look, I like the PS4 too and will likely get one eventually. I like all the consoles and will probably eventually get an XBOne too, but you are embarrassing yourself. You are repeating made up stuff you read from random Google links or Sony fan sites. It would take too long to explain how the Internet works to you, but suffice it to say it isn't real hard to post just about anything that pops into your head - which then gets passed off as fact. Remember that when you read something that sounds a bit unusual. Like the maker of an extremely successful console that just released the successor suddenly not wanting to put much time in the gaming business. At that point the light should go off in your head that indicates you aren't reading a reliable source.

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But still: not a PS4 vs XB1 topic.

This is true, and the Sony fanboy needs to stop trying to push his console choice in an XBOne thread, particularly with complete falsehoods.

oh yeah, looks like you have been living under a rock since the ps3 launch then...


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As we all know, Microsoft is on the hunt for a new CEO to replace Steve Ballmer before his retirement comes into effect within the next 10 months. Microsoft CEO candidate Stephen Elop reportedly has already some major plans to shake up the company if he does indeed take on the role. Like dropping the Xbox business........

source:
http://www.techspot.com/news/5...x-business.html

you can find more of this, if you bother to use google....

Seriously, if you're going to quote that, you should also state what was written after that:

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However, it seems highly unlikely that Microsoft would take this road, especially with regards to Bing and Xbox. The new console is just around the corner now, and we are seeing the company integrate Bing more and more throughout its product lines. Bing is implemented directly in Windows 8.1 and powers a number of features available with the Xbox One and its apps.

I should've realized that asking how Swap Force is on the Xbox One IN the swap force topic list was a bad move.


Edit: I went to Walmart and with the 50% off and $10 off coupon I bought the Xbox one version. it's installing now, will provide and update

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Seriously, if you're going to quote that, you should also state what was written after that:

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However, it seems highly unlikely that Microsoft would take this road, especially with regards to Bing and Xbox. The new console is just around the corner now, and we are seeing the company integrate Bing more and more throughout its product lines. Bing is implemented directly in Windows 8.1 and powers a number of features available with the Xbox One and its apps.

I should've realized that asking how Swap Force is on the Xbox One IN the swap force topic list was a bad move.


Edit: I went to Walmart and with the 50% off and $10 off coupon I bought the Xbox one version. it's installing now, will provide and update

Heh, I used to think Nintendo fanboys were the worst, but I think Sony fanboys are worse now. Sony stumbles during the PS3 era made them even more self conscious, you could almost feel their heads explode at the fiasco that was PS3 Skyrim. I used to guilty read Sony Defense Force and it truly was an example of Poe's Law. It was impossible to tell the difference in someone mocking Sony fanboys and someone that is an actual Sony fanboy. At times I really think they really believe it is necessary to trash other consoles to ensure their console survives. It's sad.

Again, we all benefit from healthy competition and three viable consoles. Sony fanboys really don't want MS or Nintendo to fail, because Sony is every bit as ruthless as MS, and without a strong, equivalent competitor they would definitely not go to the lengths they do now to get and keep players - or made their console sub $400 at release. Last time they thought they had this in the bag and came out at $600. The same goes for Skylanders vs. Infinity - having another decent figure game on the market means Activision has to go the extra mile on innovation to keep players.

The video game market is almost not relevant. To this old schooler, games were more fun when there was more thinking involved...as game engineers had to actually design levels as opposed to making pretty images for us to see. The entire industry has been dumbed down---many titles contribute to that.

In my mind skylanders is a bright spark in an otherwise general disturbing trend for the medium. It's hard to experiment given the need to compete on the levels that the top sellers get to roost on. I hope people pay more attention to the Indie markets and take a chance on true innovation.

Well, I picked up the Xbox One and Swap Force yesterday. I thought the graphics on the Wii U were really good ... until yesterday. The new xbox is so much better. Wow. Obviously you're paying a lot more for it initially, but man, the details are amazing.

I only did the first chapter so I can't speculate if the basic features are still the same, but it at least seems like it. I didn't see anything thus far in the XB version that wasn't in the Wii U version. I need to play more I think.

It seems much faster as well:
Turning on and getting to the load screen
Starting in story mode
Loading.... screen isn't up as long, it gets in their quicker
Overall it just feels much smoother.


I bought SF at Wal-Mart with the 50% off deal and then I had the $10 starter pack coupon which they just scanned in no problems. So, < $30 out the door. I bought the dark edition for the Wii U, so at least I have the normal looking versions now.

if there's anything specific people would like me to check/look into let me know. I'll post more later....

Xerxxess, could you please make screen shots of both XBOne and Wii U at the same location in the game and post them somewhere and comment on what is more detailed on XBOne?
My only complain about graphics in SF on PS360 and Wii U are overall blurred picture, you can see it even worse when your skylander is moving.

WOW So many sony fanboys in here hating on xbox and talking out of there A@@.... Both ps4 and xbox one will play the same at 1080p "as per xbox every game on the system will be 1080p standard", If anything xbox would be smoother game play because it easier to encode a game on it. The specs on both systems are almost identical, and more powerful then most computers on the market running at quad cores. I have xbox one and skylanders and it looks a bit better than xbox and ps3 version, Compared to wii u is out of this world. So in theory if you have a wii u either system will blow graphics and game play out of the water. If you have ps3 or xbox 360 no rush to upgrade yet untill next skylanders game, because swap force was written for previous gen systems there is only so much that can be done to improve the base code.

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The Xbox One version runs at 1080p, just like the PS4 (and has all the same graphical features/upgrades).

nope its actually less powerful and will have 720p as standard and upscale to 900i at best... microsoft sacrificed gaming and focus more on an entertainment box with tv as main focus. this is all well known fact now, the ps4 is much better for games and have the more powerful cpu/ram because its focus is games.

No, you are wrong, just plain wrong. Stop being a fanboy. Sony isn't going to reward you for your obedience. The console doesn't need you to talk it up, or downplay the other to succeed. Both will do just fine, in fact you want them to both do well - when competition dies out, we ALL suffer. Look at Madden ever since the NFL2k series went away.

Having entertainment features does not preclude developers from using a higher resolution. In the first generation of games developers often don't have engines running at full and don't know how to best use some features, so performance is typically lower. Compare any "good" release game with any "good" later game in the series, on any console. In fact, many PS4 games have noted frame rate hiccups compared to the XBOne version due to trying to do native 1080p full time.

Call of duty Ghosts upscales to 1080p not 900i, and even the developers admit it was due to unfamiliarity.

While it may be true that the devs aren't familiar with Xbox One and can't optimize fully yet, it's also true that the PS4 has more power and that will never change. The Xbone has 1.3 TFLOPS while the PS4 has 1.8 TFLOPS. That's 40% more power. PS4 will always have more effects and look prettier or will have a higher resolution.

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While it may be true that the devs aren't familiar with Xbox One and can't optimize fully yet, it's also true that the PS4 has more power and that will never change. The Xbone has 1.3 TFLOPS while the PS4 has 1.8 TFLOPS. That's 40% more power. PS4 will always have more effects and look prettier or will have a higher resolution.

This is only true if the console is simple enough to allow the dev to take advantage of its full capacity.

Both consoles are based on x86 this time around. And with eSRAM, the PS4 is going to be easier to develop for.

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While it may be true that the devs aren't familiar with Xbox One and can't optimize fully yet, it's also true that the PS4 has more power and that will never change. The Xbone has 1.3 TFLOPS while the PS4 has 1.8 TFLOPS. That's 40% more power. PS4 will always have more effects and look prettier or will have a higher resolution.

Buzz, wrong. Sheer TFLOPS is a plain stupid way to determine which console is more powerful, that's ignoring absolutely everything else that affect performance (memory speed/size, architecture, instruction set, etc.). It is a good judge for a processor floating point raw output only, not a whole system. There are so many other factors. Good job on buying the hype.

Oh, and by the way, even if the console were that much more powerful, third party developers have to distribute costs across multiple platforms - and as a result it benefits them to make the versions as close as possible. Therefore they develop to the lowest common denominator. Take Skylanders, for example, this year they moved the lead platform from the Wii to the 360, notice the HUGE jump in quality? Even if what you say is completely accurate (and not completely deceptive), third parties would develop to the XBOne and port the the PS4 directly with very few changes/upgrades, so the power would go completely unused except for the first party games from the top tier first party devs.

But go ahead, tell all your buddies on the playground about how all those TFLOPS mean the PS4 IS TEH BOMB! Acronyms sound awesome.

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Both consoles are based on x86 this time around. And with eSRAM, the PS4 is going to be easier to develop for.

And before you embarrass yourself further, it's the XBOne that has the ESRAM cache, not the PS4.

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Xerxxess, could you please make screen shots of both XBOne and Wii U at the same location in the game and post them somewhere and comment on what is more detailed on XBOne?
My only complain about graphics in SF on PS360 and Wii U are overall blurred picture, you can see it even worse when your skylander is moving.

I'll see what I can do tonight. Unfortunately, the only camera I have is my phones and it takes pretty poor quality photos. I'll see if there's a way I can take pics natively from each console.

Despite the topic starting as Swap Force on the xbox one it went the path of fanboyism.

I urge everyone interested in this PS4 vs Xbox One vs Wii U debate to at least watch/skim through this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhe6jV-APwM

It's a live demonstration of the xbox one capabilities. It is not focused on gaming. It shows the multi-tasking, communication and home entertainment features. I have no idea of whether the PS4 can do any of that stuff. I know the Wii U can't in the same manner as I have a Wii U.

For real world example: Last night was the Denver Broncos and New England Patriots game. I played swap force in the main window and had my cable TV running in the upper right hand corner. I turned the SF volumes down so I could hear the TV really well. When something exciting was occurring I just tapped over went full screen and watched. When it was done I switched back to SF and it picked up EXACTLY where I was. When I needed to step away I just said 'xbox pause' and it paused. I came back, said 'xbox play' and it started playing again right where I paused it.

Does that have anything to do with TFLOPS? Nope. But it was AWESOME ..... BOOM!!!

You see, it has absolutely nothing to do with capabilities. If someone were arguing that the PS4 were inferior to to some inane spec measurement, I was disagree with that as well. This has absolutely nothing to do with "which is better" and everything to do with "I can only buy one, so I need to justify my choice to others".

The only difference, realistically will be the console exclusives - and that is a pretty even measurement. Both companies have some great exclusives down the road. Third party games cost so much to make nowadays, it does not benefit a company to make them notably different, all it does is lessen sales and alienate half their market, AND cost them more to make them different. Sure, there will be some small differences, but graphically you would have to pause the game and get a magnifying glass to see them. Every so often you will have a game that might have some significant issues on one platform or another, but it rarely has anything to do with specs.

I like both of them personally, and one day will probably end up with both eventually. Right now the PS4 has a very nice price advantage. A hundred dollars is a hundred dollars, no argument with that. The difference is the Kinect is included in the One - I have one of those for the 360 and doesn't light my hair on fire, I'd rather have the hundred dollars in my pocket and buy it as an add on later IF anything I cared about needed it. On the other hand, the XBox exclusives interest me more right now, Ryse and Killer Instinct interest me far more than Knack and Killzone, but that's just me. Just me.

In the end, this all comes down to a group of playground chest thumpers that are talking about the new "Blast Processing" and "Mode 7". In other words, they are arguing about marketing points. I guess that's what you have to do when you really don't have anything real to debate. At least when "Blast Processing" was the new hotness you could debate Sonic vs. Mario. These days you can just make the two fight in Smash Brothers and end the debate about who is better once and for all ...

Meanwhile, Wii U devotees sit in the corner and just decide to concern themselves with having fun playing games rather than discussing system specs. [/jk]

OP, the current versions are quite blurry... I highly suggest, if you are already getting a next gen console, buy the game for that... But it would be stupid to buy a second copy just for a cleaner looking version of a game that, while not being as great, still look very very good. If you're going to do that, I would suggest waiting until the PSOne (yeah I did that pun) version is on sale, at least.

Wow, this thread went off topic. Full of nonsense too.

I'll have the Xbox One version soon. I'll let you all know if it offers anything special over the 360 version. I expect it will just be better graphics and faster load times (maybe more buggy).

BTW both the Xbox One and PS4 version run at 1080p natively (not unscaled).
http://www.gamespot.com/articl...e/1100-6416132/

No crap. I worded it weird, but that is what I meant. The eSRAM is a detriment, not a help. It will hurt the One.


And the architecture is EXACTLY the same on the Xbone and PS4. They are both running Jugaur systems. The only real difference is eSRAM vs GDDR5 and the GPU. The GPU is where TFLOPS matter. Also, the software (OS). The Xbone is using DirectX.

You aren't talking to some 12 year old playing Skylanders. I run an IT department.

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The difference is the Kinect is included in the One - I have one of those for the 360 and doesn't light my hair on fire, I'd rather have the hundred dollars in my pocket and buy it as an add on later IF anything I cared about needed it.

Watch the video I linked above. The Kinect is waaay better than it was before. Voice commands are a nice extra when you consider it beyond just gaming.

For Example, I was playing NBA 2k14 with a friend and I just said "Timeout" and the xbox was able to determine that I called the timeout. Later on, he did the same, and his team called the timeout. While not earth shattering, it does show something of the capabilities.

For me, I'm not looking at the hundred dollar difference. I'm thinking what that means over the lifetime of the console. $100 / 8 years = $12.50 per year. That's about $1 per month difference. For $1 a month, I'd rather go with what I think will suit my needs the best. Letting my wife watch/listen to her shows while I play Swap Force is worth a lot more than $1 to me.

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While it may be true that the devs aren't familiar with Xbox One and can't optimize fully yet, it's also true that the PS4 has more power and that will never change. The Xbone has 1.3 TFLOPS while the PS4 has 1.8 TFLOPS. That's 40% more power. PS4 will always have more effects and look prettier or will have a higher resolution.

This is only true if the console is simple enough to allow the dev to take advantage of its full capacity.

And more importantly---that it can be justified cost wise. For the top tier developers like Activision that have to cover every platform---the common denominator prevents this. I think they only titles where this will be relevant is the platform specific titles, or the young inspiring Indie developer. Kinda ironic that being "large" doesn't mean innovation...it's all about being safe and cost effective.

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For me, I'm not looking at the hundred dollar difference. I'm thinking what that means over the lifetime of the console. $100 / 8 years = $12.50 per year. That's about $1 per month difference. For $1 a month, I'd rather go with what I think will suit my needs the best. Letting my wife watch/listen to her shows while I play Swap Force is worth a lot more than $1 to me.

That's terribly optimistic that the console can last that long....but I get the inspiration you're shooting for.

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No crap. I worded it weird, but that is what I meant. The eSRAM is a detriment, not a help. It will hurt the One.


And the architecture is EXACTLY the same on the Xbone and PS4. They are both running Jugaur systems. The only real difference is eSRAM vs GDDR5 and the GPU. The GPU is where TFLOPS matter. Also, the software (OS). The Xbone is using DirectX.

You aren't talking to some 12 year old playing Skylanders. I run an IT department.

It's kinda like getting Windows 7 64-bit but having to run your legacy 16bit and 32bit software in compatibility mode. So, whether or not the horsepower will actually be used is premature. No doubt titles will take advantage of a platform features; I submit it will be few and far between since the industry only seems to reward the "BIG NAME" developers and titles who will develop to the common feature set.

Only slightly related, but with the 'snap' capability of the xbox one: Skylister for Skylanders Xbox One Edition!!!! How cool would it be to have Skylister on the screen right next to the game as you're playing it. You can also run Internet Explorer in the snap, so I could just create a web site that you could go to and track everything right there (which would work on computers, phones, etc..). And not just own/not own, but links to Skylanders.com and other sites to get information for the characters I want to use.

Oh, undead area coming up, let me see what undead chars I have, and what lvl they are. Oh, a rocket swap zone, let me check real quick....

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You see, it has absolutely nothing to do with capabilities. If someone were arguing that the PS4 were inferior to to some inane spec measurement, I was disagree with that as well. This has absolutely nothing to do with "which is better" and everything to do with "I can only buy one, so I need to justify my choice to others".

The only difference, realistically will be the console exclusives - and that is a pretty even measurement. Both companies have some great exclusives down the road. Third party games cost so much to make nowadays, it does not benefit a company to make them notably different, all it does is lessen sales and alienate half their market, AND cost them more to make them different. Sure, there will be some small differences, but graphically you would have to pause the game and get a magnifying glass to see them. Every so often you will have a game that might have some significant issues on one platform or another, but it rarely has anything to do with specs.

I like both of them personally, and one day will probably end up with both eventually. Right now the PS4 has a very nice price advantage. A hundred dollars is a hundred dollars, no argument with that. The difference is the Kinect is included in the One - I have one of those for the 360 and doesn't light my hair on fire, I'd rather have the hundred dollars in my pocket and buy it as an add on later IF anything I cared about needed it. On the other hand, the XBox exclusives interest me more right now, Ryse and Killer Instinct interest me far more than Knack and Killzone, but that's just me. Just me.

In the end, this all comes down to a group of playground chest thumpers that are talking about the new "Blast Processing" and "Mode 7". In other words, they are arguing about marketing points. I guess that's what you have to do when you really don't have anything real to debate. At least when "Blast Processing" was the new hotness you could debate Sonic vs. Mario. These days you can just make the two fight in Smash Brothers and end the debate about who is better once and for all ...

Defpally, can you disagree with anyone without being childish? Thought-terminating cliches and ad hominem attacks like "fanboy" or telling someone their opinion of a console is "stupid" are sorry excuses for fact-based debate. In tobby's first post, he cited actual evidence,. Now if he is wrong, you could have said, "You are wrong, and here are the actual numbers," but instead your immediate response was to call him a "fanboy" and say "Sony isn't going to reward you for your obedience." which is especially ridiculous given that the majority of reviewers agree with his assessment - by most objective measures, the PS4 will be a better gaming experience. Notice I say objective measures - graphics, processing power, etc. Obviously this is ultimately opinion based, so if for example, after getting all the information Xerxxxes decides the Xbox One is better for him, he's right. If Tobby disagrees and thinks the PS4 is a better experience for, he is also right, and there is no harm is respectfully debating the differences, that's good for everyone.

Notice I said "respectfully". Nothing you have done has been respectful. I've seen you post enough, so I'm betting you are going to try to respond with,"Oh you are just mad I said X, and you are trying to get me." or something equally ridiculous to try to deflect criticism that, frankly, you deserve. Let me make this clear - I'm not. Oh, I'll make sure to dispel rumors people make up, but from a personal standpoint, I could not care less what some random guy on the internet thinks about me. Now I'm going give you a piece of friendly advice, just like I did to those two kids last year who were doing this exact kind of thing. Stop. Just stop acting like this. It's only going to come back and bite you in the end.

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Obviously this is ultimately opinion based, so if for example, after getting all the information Xerxxxes decides the Xbox One is better for him, he's right. If Tobby disagrees and thinks the PS4 is a better experience for, he is also right, and there is no harm is respectfully debating the differences, that's good for everyone.

For starters, no when stating facts about hardware like inability to support a 1080p resolution, or using teraflops as a sole measure for hardware performance. I could explain, or provide detailed links or tech specs, but in the end it is just plain wrong. At some point you realize that someone is just so blatantly wrong that you just say "No, just No". You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. And as far as tech/computer things, well you may be proud of your writing, but you are stepping into my domain on this one.

Secondly, my whole point was this is console thing is opinion based. The main point of the post you quoted was EXACTLY THAT.

And what exactly is going to bite me, what are you going to be disappointed in me? Are you not my friend anymore? Because if that isn't so then I simply don't know what I would do. I'm fully aware that you and at least one other person on this forum absolutely dislike me, but so what - can't make everyone happy. I'm glad you are great with advice for those kids, I'm sure they learned a great deal from you. I'm good on the Derek-advice though, so thanks - I've seen plenty so I'm disinclined to model my posting after yours.

BTW, do you even have a hint of the irony involved in bragging about how you don't care what people think (except to dispel rumors!) as you make a post entirely about lecturing someone about what you think about them? Hey, guess what, I dispelled your rumors and don't care about your opinion of me. HEY, maybe I AM taking your advice!

C'mon guys, please drop it. Focus on the original topic?

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C'mon guys, please drop it. Focus on the original topic?

Sorry, I tried and was posting thoughts on why the PS4 and XBOne debates are pointless in the real world, and how the resolution debate wasn't accurate. They are an almost equivalent "gaming experience", and I think it is cool to hear about your XBOne Skylanders - sans the "PS4 is teh bestest" garbage. I'm sorry it got derailed by someone who joined to simply say "I don't like you" and add nothing else productive about the system or the game. I guess I get pulled easily into it by things like that, maybe I should just learn to use the Report feature next time.

I can safely say that the PS4 version blows the Wii U, 360, and PS3 versions out of the water. The graphics on Swap Force is so much better on PS4. I will be maining the PS4 versions of Skylanders from here on out.

I haven't seen it on Xbox One, but I hear XB1 games don't output in native 1080p.

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I haven't seen it on Xbox One, but I hear XB1 games don't output in native 1080p.

They do, it uses an HDMI interface and has a memory buffer sufficient to handle that resolution (as did the PS3 and later model 360s). It can display in full 1080p, and there is no feature that prevents that other than developer choice based on the experience they want to deliver and frame rate. Only the most high end game (not Skylanders) even comes close to taxing it, and is more due to inexperience than anything. CoD:Ghosts is the prime example, which upscales to 1080p from 720p to keep the desired framerate (the devs confirmed it wasn't due to it being incapable, given enough time - but they were on a strict schedule). By next year at this time, it won't even be a factor. First gen games are always spotty, compare Perfect Dark Zero with Gears of War 3 (or 2 or 1 ...).

But PS4 did it on day 1, on PS4. I mean, I'm going to own an Xbox One no matter what, but how was it due to a lack of time for the X1, but not PS4?

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But PS4 did it on day 1, on PS4. I mean, I'm going to own an Xbox One no matter what, but how was it due to a lack of time for the X1, but not PS4?

Architecture complexity. The framework engines (Unreal, etc.) are not mature yet. Game devs don't have to program the games to the hardware, but the engine devs do and need time to reach maturity and take advantages of things like the memory mentioned above. It's the underlying layers that need to grow up, and yes those end up becoming as similar as possible (lowest common denominator) between platforms so companies can simultaneously release on multiple platforms.

For example, the PS3 and its Cell processor are actually quite a bit more powerful and a lot more scalable than the innards of the XBox360. They were using chained PS3s to do raw processing like SETI and some other things early on. It took time for the framework engines to mature to the point of the later Uncharted games/Last of Us/etc. And multi-platform games ran almost identical after a year or two.

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I can safely say that the PS4 version blows the Wii U, 360, and PS3 versions out of the water. The graphics on Swap Force is so much better on PS4. I will be maining the PS4 versions of Skylanders from here on out.

I haven't seen it on Xbox One, but I hear XB1 games don't output in native 1080p.

I have the Wii U version and the Xbox one version blows it out of the water. I expected it to be a bit better than Wii U, but it exceeded those expectations.

My eye and knowledge isn't good enough to determine if it's 1080p or 180p but it looks damn good.