darkSpyro

why is everyone so pessimistic?

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Thought it was 14th where they send a bill to congress about their vote to remove Net Neutrality.

Idk I've been spreading the word all over the place before the 12th so seeing people (with much larger audiences) just now getting to it makes me think "you guys either have bad procrastination issues or you literally have minimal care" I understand it's 48-24 hour deadline, but still could've done something sooner instead of making it a close call.

It is the 14th, but the FCC themselves are going to cast a vote whether or not to repeal the current Net Neutrality rules. If they vote to repeal them (which they will) then its over. Net Neutrality is officially repealed.

But, they will probably be sued instantly, then the debate will go to the supreme court, and big tech companies, states, citizens, etc., will petition congress to put a law in place to restrict the FCC from repealing the current rules, overturn their December 14th decision, and keep things as they are now.

More or less, this is what happened the first time they did this, minus the congress' involvement.

On that last part, you have to love how facebook, google, microsoft, etc., have not said a word on the matter, lol.

Really, it isn't going to make a difference, anyway.

Honestly I know what net neutrality is, thought they had to go through the thick process of congress still before they can actually act.

Actually I've seen a facebook message about it. Though I mostly noticed how Tumblr posts are being deleted about net neutrality because the site is owned by verizon and won't that technically be breaking a law? Since they are deleting a post that isn't really anything against the terms and conditions, it's more or less shutting a group of people up.

How would it affect smaller websites, like dS? Because I don't think making sure you can access a purple dragon forum is anywhere in their list of priorities.

lmao someone called in a bomb threat

A message from the ultimate Memelord and our eternal senPAI

i can't believe darkspyro is deleted now

Well, that didn't take long. NYS Attorney General's office to file lawsuit seeking to overturn FCC's decision.

Hear that?

That's the sound of George Orwell and Ray Bradbury rolling in their graves.

So that everyone is on the same page, that was the end of the process of repealing Net Neutrality. They do not have to go through congress or any courts. They created the rule to begin with, and they can repeal it. Which they just did, 3-2.

The supreme court and convincing Congress to overturn that decision is the only way out. Buuuuuuut, I wouldn't rely on that working out, as some 100-something republican members of congress already approved.

Again, the internet will not explode instantly. They are certain to slowly start implementing things over the course of the next few years. That way no one willl notice, and we'll accept it as the new normal. ;-)

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So that everyone is on the same page, that was the end of the process of repealing Net Neutrality. They do not have to go through congress or any courts. They created the rule to begin with, and they can repeal it. Which they just did, 3-2.

The supreme court and convincing Congress to overturn that decision is the only way out. Buuuuuuut, I wouldn't rely on that working out, as some 100-something republican members of congress already approved.

Again, the internet will not explode instantly. They are certain to slowly start implementing things over the course of the next few years. That way no one willl notice, and we'll accept it as the new normal. ;-)

100-something is actually a somewhat small fraction of Congress, only about 1/5th to be exact. There's 100 members of the Senate & 435 in the House of Representatives that together make up Congress.

Sure, it's still not good that 100 approve it, but 100 isn't scary numbers yet.

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So that everyone is on the same page, that was the end of the process of repealing Net Neutrality. They do not have to go through congress or any courts. They created the rule to begin with, and they can repeal it. Which they just did, 3-2.

The supreme court and convincing Congress to overturn that decision is the only way out. Buuuuuuut, I wouldn't rely on that working out, as some 100-something republican members of congress already approved.

Again, the internet will not explode instantly. They are certain to slowly start implementing things over the course of the next few years. That way no one willl notice, and we'll accept it as the new normal. ;-)

100-something is actually a somewhat small fraction of Congress, only about 1/5th to be exact. There's 100 members of the Senate & 435 in the House of Representatives that together make up Congress.

Sure, it's still not good that 100 approve it, but 100 isn't scary numbers yet.

There are actually some republicans who are apalled by this desicion

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So that everyone is on the same page, that was the end of the process of repealing Net Neutrality. They do not have to go through congress or any courts. They created the rule to begin with, and they can repeal it. Which they just did, 3-2.

The supreme court and convincing Congress to overturn that decision is the only way out. Buuuuuuut, I wouldn't rely on that working out, as some 100-something republican members of congress already approved.

Again, the internet will not explode instantly. They are certain to slowly start implementing things over the course of the next few years. That way no one willl notice, and we'll accept it as the new normal. ;-)

100-something is actually a somewhat small fraction of Congress, only about 1/5th to be exact. There's 100 members of the Senate & 435 in the House of Representatives that together make up Congress.

Sure, it's still not good that 100 approve it, but 100 isn't scary numbers yet.

There are actually some republicans who are apalled by this desicion

So, when does this go to Congress?


And, I know it was last page, but Drawdler nailed it on how it'll be handled. Their gonna gradually see what they can do, so to consumers it won't seem to bad and of course they'll begin to Charge us for certain websites in packages, I'd assume, based on people's images. It's greedy to do this, through and through. I know it CAN have positives and I'm sure there are arguments against NN, but I doubt they're worth it. Thr internet is pretty much a necessity to have now, like electricity. They're gonna make it harder to have it by charging us. And if you're like me and my family, where you're living in a very non-ideal financial situation, at times struggling for paying rent, then this can **** you up.

This is like charging people for electricity PER ROOM in a house. Its absurd.

I know I said I would add more to my last post about potential hope, but let's forget that; I haven't felt like thinking about fighting the issue more (again, I'm in Australia, I can't do **** when I want to fight which makes this issue even worse for me), and honestly I believe this is a losing battle from what I know. Like I said it's pretty depressing for me to see the Internet go down this route, and it's going to sound silly but... It's because the Internet is just a wonderful invention that truly makes me happy to have freedom with, it makes me happy that everyone here has freedom with it, and throttling it will frankly ruin that freedom and make it another thing I'm primarily cynical about because it's been monetized to **** us in the ass.
I mean, honestly, Internet here is already expensive for what you get in most areas (from what I hear I'm just lucky to live near the CBD) but this is a whole new level of greed. I can't be happy about that, I'll just be thinking back to the days that the Internet was (at least relatively) open.

It's so hard for me to be optimistic and so easy for me to lower my hopes and listen to my pessimistic side, and there are few things that actually defy that. The Internet was one of them, but I'm very pessimistic about its future. Again, it's not going to be destroyed or something suddenly... But ISPs' greed on display here truly disgusts me. At least with things like the loot box debacle of this year they ultimately monetize some entertainment- still awful and indeed, predatory with how they incite the same tics as gambling, but that entertainment is far from a necessity or need and there's still plenty of entertainment that isn't whored out for money by publishers. Throttling and controlling the Internet will affect information. That's much worse, especially when many people don't have time to actually look into things they hear these busy days.

As someone who doesn't go to school and primarily studies art from videos and who's in an LDR and really doesn't get to do much IRL, you can just imagine how ****ing angry I am- even if this ends up not affecting me personally, I know it will personally affect many people, and I'm not someone who's indifferent about that **** because it might not affect me. In this case, anyways. I mean, I've been taking steps to be less reliant on the Internet like reading more books and trying local classes anyway (but videos are much more useful to me lol), but this is still going to be a horrible thing for me and just makes me angry because I know it's going to suck for everyone. I would say at least **** isn't happening yet and I can still enjoy the Internet as it is for now, but it's hard to be happy about that when I know the bull**** is on its way unless somehow this bull is overturned.

I've been listening to Money and Dogs and Pigs more lately. I'm sad if this kind of greed really is the case, which I believe it is, but at least with those songs I don't feel so crazy thinking about it like I'm some conspiracy theorist. I know it's not healthy to keep worrying anyways, but I'm not completely crazy, right?

P.S. Haha BlackNight it's strangely flattering to have you thumb up my post when you actually study business stuff, so thanks.

So, when does this go to Congress?


And, I know it was last page, but Drawdler nailed it on how it'll be handled. Their gonna gradually see what they can do, so to consumers it won't seem to bad and of course they'll begin to Charge us for certain websites in packages, I'd assume, based on people's images. It's greedy to do this, through and through. I know it CAN have positives and I'm sure there are arguments against NN, but I doubt they're worth it. Thr internet is pretty much a necessity to have now, like electricity. They're gonna make it harder to have it by charging us. And if you're like me and my family, where you're living in a very non-ideal financial situation, at times struggling for paying rent, then this can **** you up.

This is like charging people for electricity PER ROOM in a house. Its absurd.

Aye, that's true. If it were more immediate I would have messaged you about it sooner (and sorry I haven't been around btw, but have a great Christmas!). I think we can all agree ISPs are pushing for this to exploit us and things will end up worse if they get their way tho.

lol, Comcast is trying to convince congress to pass legislation in order to "protect" Net Neutrality.

It's a short article...

https://motherboard.vice.com/e...-neutrality-law

lol

Marsha Blackburn (Republican) has written up a bill for congress that will turn Net Neutrality into a law that the FCC will not be able to overturn. It is called the Open Internet Preservation Act (OIPA).

https://motherboard.vice.com/e...-neutrality-law

But it requires a majority voet in congress.

...Thoughts?