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#1 Posted: 12:24:06 18/09/2014 | Topic Creator
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#2 Posted: 12:28:31 18/09/2014
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#3 Posted: 12:39:13 18/09/2014
Light and Dark?
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#4 Posted: 12:51:01 18/09/2014
I still think there is a little more to it...I'm not going to pretend to be informed, just a gut feeling - either via the story or the figures and their properties, they won't just be 'another character'
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#5 Posted: 12:56:08 18/09/2014
Well that will unbalance the elements . Sun and Moon i see .
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#6 Posted: 13:09:33 18/09/2014
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Sun and Moon



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That is what I see also.

Credit for picture of prototype figure goes to SkylanderDad:

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#7 Posted: 13:13:38 18/09/2014
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Well that will unbalance the elements . Sun and Moon i see .




Now they must add two Giants, 4 Swappers and 4 Trap Masters, along with the remaining Cores, or my OCD will never be satisfied...
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#8 Posted: 13:51:37 18/09/2014
Wonder how this will effect gameplay? This means there's either four more Trap Masters, or two more Trap Masters and two more cores.
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#9 Posted: 13:53:28 18/09/2014
PLEASE let there be a Dragon Trap Master.

Maybe a dark one... called... maybe... Malefor?

Hmm?
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#10 Posted: 14:08:52 18/09/2014
Guys, I've seen enogh RPGs to see where this is going. They won't be unbalanced most likely, chances qre they'll be neutral to the other 8 and mutually weak to each other. It' hardly uncommon in elemental magic mechanics.
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#11 Posted: 14:13:23 18/09/2014
Quote: Balphagor_

PLEASE let there be a Dragon Trap Master.

Maybe a dark one... called... maybe... Malefor?

Hmm?



I was just thinking the same thing, except for the "Malefor" part though. I'd love to have another bipedal dragon who is also a Trap Master. Maybe a new ninja Skylander that wields Traptanium Nunchaku.
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#12 Posted: 14:15:07 18/09/2014
Call me stupid (or ignorant) but were the elements REALLY that important/imposing before?

I have played all 6 games so far and have not once thought "Darn, if I hadn't have used a Fire Skylander against that Water one then I might have won.".

Or is is that I literally just haven't noticed it?
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#13 Posted: 14:20:08 18/09/2014
The elemental rock paper scissors only existed in the console version of Spyro's adventure in the pvp. Seriously, new elements won't unbalance anything aside from amount of figures.
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#14 Posted: 14:20:36 18/09/2014
Quote: Balphagor_

Call me stupid (or ignorant) but were the elements REALLY that important/imposing before?

I have played all 6 games so far and have not once thought "Darn, if I hadn't have used a Fire Skylander against that Water one then I might have won.".

Or is is that I literally just haven't noticed it?



It was a PVP and Ambush thing, if I recall. Not like you needed to worry ever, since avoiding damage was a must no matter the element.
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#15 Posted: 14:24:01 18/09/2014
Ah I was never really into the PVP so I must have missed it.

Thanks though. n_n
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#16 Posted: 14:30:47 18/09/2014
If the Sun and Moon are the new elements, which I really hope they are, maybe the magical moments will contain a black background for the Moon and a white one for the Sun.
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#17 Posted: 14:37:01 18/09/2014
Quote: Nroc-Nuika

The elemental rock paper scissors only existed in the console version of Spyro's adventure in the pvp. Seriously, new elements won't unbalance anything aside from amount of figures.




Aaaaaand, that's the problem.

Unless they fix it, by adding two Giants, two Swappers, two Trap Masters, and least, from 9 to 11 Cores, in Skylanders 5, then it will be a HUGE character balancing problem.

But, while I'm a bit concerned, I'm sure TfB and V.V. will know how to make everything be fine. smilie
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#18 Posted: 14:41:58 18/09/2014
I reckon they'll be Nightmare and Dream, based on some of the 3DS villain names.

How they work against other Elements doesn't matter, because Element matchups were scrapped in SF. Try putting an Air Skylander against an Earth one and you'll see it doesn't do bonus damage any more. The Element matchups did nothing else, iirc.
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#19 Posted: 14:49:38 18/09/2014
This just makes me even more intrigued on what these question marks are! I wish TFB would let SkylanderKids and co. let a little more out of the bag, as they seem to know quite a bit...
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#20 Posted: 14:55:00 18/09/2014
Well, since they let only one screenshot with the elements visible, doubt it was in their plans to reveal more than that bird man prototype. But like a certain fighting game, I guess we leave them no choice...
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#21 Posted: 15:00:01 18/09/2014
I don't think any new elements could be light and dark, as they already have lots of "Dark" figures. It has to use different names.
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#22 Posted: 15:01:53 18/09/2014
Quote: Drek95

Quote: Nroc-Nuika

The elemental rock paper scissors only existed in the console version of Spyro's adventure in the pvp. Seriously, new elements won't unbalance anything aside from amount of figures.




Aaaaaand, that's the problem.

Unless they fix it, by adding two Giants, two Swappers, two Trap Masters, and least, from 9 to 11 Cores, in Skylanders 5, then it will be a HUGE character balancing problem.

But, while I'm a bit concerned, I'm sure TfB and V.V. will know how to make everything be fine. smilie



Well, we don't really NEED a new Giant, Swappers and cores for it. In actual fact I'd rather we don't go overboard on those. An element doesn't have to have a fair amount of figures. I quite like the idea of there being two 'rarer' and more exclusive elements. Like having the true element of Light/Darkness is a true feat and very few beings in Skylands even control those powers, making it a relatively new element. Heck, maybe they'll 'retype' all Dark figures to being Dark element and all Legendary figures to being Light element. Who knows? There's a lot of fun to be had with elements that are late to the game.
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#23 Posted: 15:09:08 18/09/2014
Quote: Bifrost

Well, since they let only one screenshot with the elements visible, doubt it was in their plans to reveal more than that bird man prototype.



I think they took down the birdman prototype picture I posted. That must mean they are in damage control mode.
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#24 Posted: 15:11:15 18/09/2014
Back in SSA the first story scroll mentioned there not being a light or dark elemental skylander in a VERY long time. Just an fyi that this was teased waayyy back.
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#25 Posted: 15:15:45 18/09/2014
Quote: Nroc-Nuika

Quote: Drek95

Quote: Nroc-Nuika

The elemental rock paper scissors only existed in the console version of Spyro's adventure in the pvp. Seriously, new elements won't unbalance anything aside from amount of figures.




Aaaaaand, that's the problem.

Unless they fix it, by adding two Giants, two Swappers, two Trap Masters, and least, from 9 to 11 Cores, in Skylanders 5, then it will be a HUGE character balancing problem.

But, while I'm a bit concerned, I'm sure TfB and V.V. will know how to make everything be fine. smilie



Well, we don't really NEED a new Giant, Swappers and cores for it. In actual fact I'd rather we don't go overboard on those. An element doesn't have to have a fair amount of figures. I quite like the idea of there being two 'rarer' and more exclusive elements. Like having the true element of Light/Darkness is a true feat and very few beings in Skylands even control those powers, making it a relatively new element. Heck, maybe they'll 'retype' all Dark figures to being Dark element and all Legendary figures to being Light element. Who knows? There's a lot of fun to be had with elements that are late to the game.




Mmmh... I see your point.
Well, that would be kind of cool, I guess... But...

The truth is, I simply think I wouldn't be able to get over the character unbalancement.
Even if justified by the lore.

I would simply look at my collection, and see 14 Skylanders for the Water, Earth, Undead, Life, Tech, Magic, Fire and Air Element, and only 2 for the new ones.

It's a personal and stupid problem, I know, but I cannot help myself in any way.
I honestly hope Skylanders 5 will explain this idea better.
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#26 Posted: 15:18:28 18/09/2014
Quote: meltdown44

Back in SSA the first story scroll mentioned there not being a light or dark elemental skylander in a VERY long time. Just an fyi that this was teased waayyy back.



That story scroll was referring to the Elder Elementals - the Giants. Besides, there's nothing to really suggest that these are light and dark elements. That would imply that there are Skylanders that are of the 'dark' element (rather than just being... Dark) and that there are villains of the 'light' element.

It seems a lot more likely that they're day and night or sun and moon elements; though I would prefer the former.
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#27 Posted: 15:21:54 18/09/2014
So these "Dream" and "Nightmare" characters...anyone figuring that they'll be the Lightcores? I'm sure they'll probably look and be about the same size as trap masters, but with a light up element on them somewhere. Dude with the wings up there looks like he's missing the top part of his weapon, a likely object to house an LED light, and something that they probably wouldn't print when doing a prototype print.

Would be a cool way to utilize the LC element instead of just slapping them onto a character for no reason. Although if they do, I question the price point; will they retain the LC's price or be bumped up to Trap Masters range?
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#28 Posted: 15:31:54 18/09/2014
Quote: bionicle2809

Quote: meltdown44

Back in SSA the first story scroll mentioned there not being a light or dark elemental skylander in a VERY long time. Just an fyi that this was teased waayyy back.



That story scroll was referring to the Elder Elementals - the Giants. Besides, there's nothing to really suggest that these are light and dark elements. That would imply that there are Skylanders that are of the 'dark' element (rather than just being... Dark) and that there are villains of the 'light' element.

It seems a lot more likely that they're day and night or sun and moon elements; though I would prefer the former.




Well, other Elements already have icons that only let you understand the alignment (Earth is not the Mountain Element, Life is not the Leaf or Plant one...).

Besides, how would a Skylander from either a Day/Sun or Night/Moon element be...?
Quite strange... I like Arc of Archives's idea of Nightmare and Dream Elements (even if they could have fitted well in Magic...), it also fits the 3DS theme.

This story reminds me of the introduction of the Light and Dark elements in the Gormiti series.
They were different, however, since both good and evil characters were available from the start.
Ad the Fire (bad ones) characters were always a little less, than the other elements.
Back in those days, I didn't care that much about a character unbalancement, and the idea of having an element representing pure Good, and one pure Evil, really got me excited.

They also "evolved" and became Sun and Moon elements. smilie

But they were only toys.
Not playable characters.
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#29 Posted: 15:32:04 18/09/2014
The real question is if these are just 3ds exclusive elements or not, but i'm going to assume they aren't.
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#30 Posted: 15:39:16 18/09/2014
Quote: Balphagor_

PLEASE let there be a Dragon Trap Master.

Maybe a dark one... called... maybe... Malefor?

Hmm?




Maybe a fan favorite like...Vathek?
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#31 Posted: 15:42:07 18/09/2014
Quote: spyroflame0487

So these "Dream" and "Nightmare" characters...anyone figuring that they'll be the Lightcores? I'm sure they'll probably look and be about the same size as trap masters, but with a light up element on them somewhere. Dude with the wings up there looks like he's missing the top part of his weapon, a likely object to house an LED light, and something that they probably wouldn't print when doing a prototype print.

Would be a cool way to utilize the LC element instead of just slapping them onto a character for no reason. Although if they do, I question the price point; will they retain the LC's price or be bumped up to Trap Masters range?



All the Trap Master should have been Lightcores.
Imagine their weapons light up only when near a villain...

Pure awesomeness.
That would have also justified the price.
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#32 Posted: 15:43:57 18/09/2014
Quote: GigaCamo

Quote: Balphagor_

PLEASE let there be a Dragon Trap Master.

Maybe a dark one... called... maybe... Malefor?

Hmm?




Maybe a fan favorite like...Vathek?



Yes please, that would also be acceptable.
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#33 Posted: 15:49:54 18/09/2014
Wow Light and Dark huh? Nice.

It would be nice to see some Light/Dark Swappers and Giants but it seems they only support cores as a universal Skylander type.
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#34 Posted: 15:58:48 18/09/2014
Why not solar/lunar?
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#35 Posted: 16:00:09 18/09/2014
To be honest you could MAYBE have a light/dark Swap Force, but you could not have a light/dark Giant.

We have see the original Giants, even before they were frozen, so it would make no sense to just randomly have one start existing.

Technically you could say the same for the Swap force, but there were several Swappers that we didn't see in their "Cut scenes" anyways.
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#36 Posted: 16:32:28 18/09/2014
Quote: Drek95


All the Trap Master should have been Lightcores.
Imagine their weapons light up only when near a villain...

Pure awesomeness.
That would have also justified the price.


Yes... I have said this before. And in a different thread, you said it was "brillantly suggested", so, thanks for the compliment :3

I'm really starting to wonder why they didn't make the Trap Masters lightcore. It's not a new feature, apart from villain-only light-up, but that would only be an extra bonus - the point is lighting up in the first place.

It would look great with the translucent weapons (making them more desirable), and it would help to justify the price point. Those two points would easily sell more figures while making the customers happier (or at least less disappointed) - everyone wins!
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#37 Posted: 16:37:17 18/09/2014
Quote: Nightmoon

Quote: Drek95


All the Trap Master should have been Lightcores.
Imagine their weapons light up only when near a villain...

Pure awesomeness.
That would have also justified the price.


Yes... I have said this before. And in a different thread, you said it was "brillantly suggested", so, thanks for the compliment :3

I'm really starting to wonder why they didn't make the Trap Masters lightcore. It's not a new feature, apart from villain-only light-up, but that would only be an extra bonus - the point is lighting up in the first place.

It would look great with the translucent weapons (making them more desirable), and it would help to justify the price point. Those two points would easily sell more figures while making the customers happier (or at least less disappointed) - everyone wins!



Yeah, it is kind of silly. According to an interview article http://www.everybodyplays.co.u...end-rawwwr/1768 earlier they light up in the game while fighting villains. Seems like a waste to not have the figures glow simultaneously as well smilie
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#38 Posted: 16:41:21 18/09/2014
Quote: Nightmoon

Quote: Drek95


All the Trap Master should have been Lightcores.
Imagine their weapons light up only when near a villain...

Pure awesomeness.
That would have also justified the price.


Yes... I have said this before. And in a different thread, you said it was "brillantly suggested", so, thanks for the compliment :3

I'm really starting to wonder why they didn't make the Trap Masters lightcore. It's not a new feature, apart from villain-only light-up, but that would only be an extra bonus - the point is lighting up in the first place.

It would look great with the translucent weapons (making them more desirable), and it would help to justify the price point. Those two points would easily sell more figures while making the customers happier (or at least less disappointed) - everyone wins!




Ooooh, so it was you, who suggested it!
AWESOME idea! smilie

However, I think the only motivation they could have found for non-Lightcores Trap Masters is purely an aesthetic one.
LEDs inside the traptanium weapons could have ruined their visual effect...
But it still isn't enough.

What if... The released toys will actually light up...?
Now, THAT would be unexpected.
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#39 Posted: 17:11:22 18/09/2014
Maybe night and day elements

day can only be played in a sunny area like the island tops
night have to be night or underground
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#40 Posted: 18:33:44 18/09/2014
''The Elemental Elders with their power of Light and Darkness stuff'' remember this from SSA? am i the only one thinking about this?
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#41 Posted: 18:50:17 18/09/2014
Well people keep saying it's the Giants but they never said the Elder Elementals were the very first Skylanders, only that they were the most powerful ones ever known.
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#42 Posted: 19:26:33 18/09/2014
I just see this as being dark skylanders (moon) and light core (sun)
Although we have them already , but just incorporating them as elements.
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#43 Posted: 19:31:49 18/09/2014
To end the confusion, the elements are Dark and Light, according to this article:
http://surlatrace-skylanders.e...-trap-team.html
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#44 Posted: 19:45:35 18/09/2014
Some screen shots from Skylanders boy and girl video.

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#45 Posted: 19:47:07 18/09/2014
I'm hoping those names are errors in translation. 'Spotlight' and 'Light', really?
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#46 Posted: 19:49:01 18/09/2014
So, I was right about Ninja Bird Man being the Magic Doom Raider? Sweet!
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#47 Posted: 19:53:24 18/09/2014
How in the world a ninja crow is Magic?


...Actually, how do any of the magic villains except Rage Mage fit at all? I can't watch that new elements video for the life of me, so really hope someone posts backstories of those guys soon for some clarification.
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#48 Posted: 20:01:28 18/09/2014
Quote: Bionichute

So, I was right about Ninja Bird Man being the Magic Doom Raider? Sweet!



It's not a real image of the poster, it's been photoshopped.
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#49 Posted: 20:04:32 18/09/2014
I so want the centaur with a big sword to be female and named Knight-Mare. I mean its a Moon element right? smilie Just to watch a certain fandoms heads' explode.
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#50 Posted: 20:05:10 18/09/2014
Quote: bionicle2809

Quote: Bionichute

So, I was right about Ninja Bird Man being the Magic Doom Raider? Sweet!



It's not a real image of the poster, it's been photoshopped.




I know that, but considering these guys seem to know a bit about the game, I assume that they're correct.
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