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Who hates this big son of @#$@#.

i do... but i find him ok for an evil character.

I'm gonna hazard a guess, you've only played ANB and don't know anything about TEN/DOTD?

Oh, me, meeee! They built him up so much and he was kind of menacing when he was dead, but when we finally saw him in DotD he was one of the lamest villains I've ever seen. And I want to slap whoever did that to Mark Hamil's voice. >(

His voice was alright. But he was way to easy, and they couldn't put the words of Cynder's past into clear words. That sucked.

Malefor?...oh please.

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Oh, me, meeee! They built him up so much and he was kind of menacing when he was dead, but when we finally saw him in DotD he was one of the lamest villains I've ever seen. And I want to slap whoever did that to Mark Hamil's voice. >(

I completely agree.

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Who hates this big son of @#$@#.

dont go rampage on malefor

I loved Malefor in the images the Chronicler (I think) shows Spyro in TEN. In DotD... I don't know, just didn't seem sinister enough.

I'm with you, Cynderfyre. He seemed pretty cool in TEN, but in DotD...ugh. My left sock is more menacing (and a more challenging boss fight ).

It was nice to see his story develop in TEN, by looking at the iamges and seeing him quite young then older. When I look at those images, it doesn't make me think of DotD Malefor at all.

And he didn't quite seem evil-looking enough in DotD, his teeth and mouth were wierd. The DotD artwork of him doesn't seem evil enough either, just kinda angry looking.

I wonder what a boss fight with TEN Malefor, Spyro and Cynder would've looked like...

I was expecting Malefor to be an much more villanous character... to non-evil in this one.

I didn't mind him in DotD. I think he made a good villain either way, but I still prefer him from ANB and TEN. He was so.. mysterious, and I liked the statue of him. That's how I assumed he'd look in DotD, but in DotD, he just looked plain wierd, and his teeth were all flat, reminding me of a turtle..

^He looked and SOUNDED plain weird. This completely destroyed his (like you said) mysterious aura.

I forgot to add how wierd he sounded. He sounded like.. I can't even describe the oddness of his voice. If they just toned down the effects added to his voice, that may have made it way better.

He just didn't seem to live up to that mysteriousness about him that was built up throughout ANB and TEN. I'm sure if the game wasn't rushed, they could have made Malefor what he was originally supposed to be.

To me, Malefor was like one of those huge, menacing, mysterious shadows on a wall, but you don't know what it really is in ANB and TEN, and in DotD, the shadow maker is revealed to just be an innocent little bunny

He was a let down. I don't really hate him, but I don't like him much.
Let down #1:
WTF DM, no corrupt Cynder?!
#2:
Hey! HEY! I'm over here! No, OVER HERE! C'mon! Aim at me ya big galloot! I'm pounding on the back of your head and your firing ice missiles in the opposite direction!
#3:
Uh, sorry, what? Clear your throat, I can't understand you. You want a strepsil, or some water?
#4:
Why are we all still here? Why didn't you destroy the world, oh I dunno, THREE YEARS AGO?!
#5:
You summon the Golem right? Soo... did you have those guys free them and try to sacrifice them? If so, WHY?!
#6:
Sorry, I know it's not just you, but I don't get the whole civilised pre battle conversation with the villain thing. I mean really, if you want them dead so badly why not just lurk in the shadows high above them (grip the wall or something) and body slam them when they enter? Honestly, they're strong, but you'd crush em so easily like that! Just a simple jump, a loud boom and it's all over!

I didn't like it when he popped up after the Golem fight and announced the Destroyer to everyone, it just seemed to... public, if you get what I mean. I'd have prefered him appearing to just Spyro in some kind of vision, or better, no appearing at all at that point.

Well, it was a war. Opposing factions in a war do make public announcements to each other sometimes.

No. No they don't. Not ever in the history of war has anyone ever done that. That's like painting a target on your head and saying "Hey, shoot me! I'm right here!". You have spies so you can find out what the enemy is doing because your enemy is smart enough not to tell you...

...unless your Malefor.

Granted, this is the genius who, instead of having his enemy killed in a thousand simpler, easier, more sure-fire ways, instead decided it was a brilliant idea to bring the enemy to him for no reason whatsoever. None. At all. He says when you meet him that he used Cynder to lead Spyro to him, but he never explains why. It's just plain stupid!

Why have Spyro come to him? So he can defeat Malefor?! I like your Idea of him being a spirit, that would have made sense for him to want Spyro and Cynder with him.

I was mainly referring to other fantasy stories. And in this day and age, we have internet broadcasting, so people at war could actually make a public announcement his way. And Malefor used a magic crystal to make his announcement.

Malefor wanted to inform Spyro of the truth about purple dragons. He probably wanted Spyro and Cynder to join him too. And he probably wanted Cynder for more reasons than one....*remembers DotD parody series episode 8*

In the eternal night he seemed to be a little more of a big deal. I actually think they made him seem a whole lot more menacing and darker. i would have liked to see Krome do the third part of the trilogy it they probably would have done him a ton better! and if i were him no way i would anounce all of my plans to the enemy. thats kinda...dumb.

Well, the destroyer was coming out anyway, may as well rub it in the heroes' faces!

I have a a giant behemoth, you have two little dragons, NEHNEHNEHNEHNEEEHNEH!

I highly recommend you read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". It will end any willingness you have to make excuses for the world's dumbest villain (Malefor). Just because a bunch of other hack fantasy writers did it doesn't mean it isn't stupid. D&D is not a good guide for how to write a decent story.

Dumbest Villain? Pfft, there are waaaay worse villains than Malefor. Ripto is worse IMO. I actually thought of a way they could make him a well developed villain in the next game (if he were in it). Malefor isn't special IMO, but has potential. He was the final boss, I was supposed to beat him, so he served his purpose well. That's all I cared about in regards to him. I was just saying that there was no negative consequence for him announcing his plans.

I have to disagree. Ripto was set up as a goofy sort of villain (though I found him pretty menacing when he was threatening to kill people since I got the impression that he really meant it). His schemes made sense and he did his best not to get his hands dirty until the very end when he had no other options left. He was also a considerably tougher boss fight. Ripto is even frequently compared with Napoleon both in and out of the fandom (the fact that he's pretty much based on the man, only made kid-friendly, helps).

Contrast this with Malefor, who was built up to be a serious and evil villain but turns out to be generic and no challenge whatsoever. He goes out of his way to make life easy on his enemies and is reading from the comic book supervillain's handbook (and we all know how well those schemes work). And as far as him serving his purpose as a game boss, he didn't even do that. He was, in fact, a massive letdown for most players, especially since the boss fights in the two games before were a much greater and more interesting challenge than he could ever hope to be.

The battles in the other games were WAY harder! on more then one ocassion i deemed Gaul invincable,lol. I am not a big Ripto fan but he did serve his purpose and lived up to the bad guy he was supposed to be opposed to the dark master who was not quite what he could have been.

But even as a goofy villain, Ripto isn't great. He's got nothing on Dr.Eggman, who has also been adapted to be a pretty serious villain in some games, as well as Bowser. Ripto actually gets pretty grating to me. And he let's anger take over sometimes, causing him to make mistakes. I liked Red more.

Malefor did actually show a lot of merit, messing with the heroes' heads and what not. He has the potential to be the next Sephiroth. They just need to use the character wisely. And maybe make the series less about a huge war, and make Malefor feel more like a "personal" villain, if you know what I mean.

Maybe he had the same opinion that Eggman had in Sonic Unleashed, lol! The games were released close to each other!

Malefor is actually hard in co-op. He has a significant health boost too.

And I think Ripto would of actually succeeded in creating Riptonia, if he just came into that world, showed off his leadership talents, showed he could make Avalar a better place, won the hearts of the Avalarians, and then take his leadership and rule democraticly!

I did a spit take when I saw someone compare a children's video game to The Art of War in terms of writing. I know that video games can have some nice plots, but come on!

Ah, but Ripto wasn't built up to be a god, so his mistakes are reasonable ones. Same with Red. You may not like them, but they at least don't aspire to be so much more than they are.

The only time Eggman ever struck me as a decent villain was when he was Dr. Robotnik in the Sonic SatAM. And I agree with that one Kefka cosplayer about Sephiroth: he's an overrated mama's boy.

Yeah, but that's not much of a villain. I think he would've succeeded in creating Riptonia his way. The only reason he didn't was because of a certain purple dragon.

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Oh, me, meeee! They built him up so much and he was kind of menacing when he was dead, but when we finally saw him in DotD he was one of the lamest villains I've ever seen. And I want to slap whoever did that to Mark Hamil's voice. >(

I agree. For someone they bulit up to be the master of darkness and suffering, he sure looks..average.
I also hated it that he was way to easy to fight once you figured out all his moves. I mean, the ENTIRE trilogy was based on Spyro fighting Malefor to the death to save the World, and the fight being easy enough for Fourth graders to beat is both a slap in the face and painfully anticlimatic.

SatA Robotnik was LAME, not true to Dr Eggman at all. :/

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Oh, me, meeee! They built him up so much and he was kind of menacing when he was dead, but when we finally saw him in DotD he was one of the lamest villains I've ever seen. And I want to slap whoever did that to Mark Hamil's voice. >(

I agree. For someone they bulit up to be the master of darkness and suffering, he sure looks..average.
I also hated it that he was way to easy to fight once you figured out all his moves. I mean, the ENTIRE trilogy was based on Spyro fighting Malefor to the death to save the World, and the fight being easy enough for Fourth graders to beat is both a slap in the face and painfully anticlimatic.

Yesssss I agree! I was so disappointed with him.... I was honestly excited about him (for a long time, the only thing that really got me excited with the Legend games) and then we saw him. D:

The fight is only truly hard on co-op, as you're both losing HP instead of just one. But it was a letdown.

I had mixed feelings about Malefor. The way you defeated him was SUCH an epic fail. I was really bummed. .-. But I loved his evil laugh. Awesomeness. I think Mark Halmin did a great job for Malefor, but it was hard to understand him because of the echos of his voice. I think they tried too hard when it comes to making him evil and "scary." And I was expecting a bit more while fighting him, and his back story confused me.

So I say he was OK, but Gnasty Gnorc pwns him by far.

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...the world's dumbest villain (Malefor).

Actually, there are worse (or at least one that I know of).

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...the world's dumbest villain (Malefor).

Actually, there are worse (or at least one that I know of).

whom would that be Gwenio?

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...the world's dumbest villain (Malefor).

Actually, there are worse (or at least one that I know of).

whom would that be Gwenio?

I do not feel like giving names (it is a good game except for the main villain); however I will say what the villian did wrong. You meet him four times, and he never tries to kill you himself. The first time events prior to the cutscene with him leave your character too weak to stand up, and he merely threatens and kicks you. The second time you have show that you will continue and have a vital clue needed to complete your quest. He says the jourey ends here for you and walks off leaving two underlings to fight you. The third time might be exused because you are not alone; one of the most powerful good wizards is with you. The last time is like the second, only you are closer than ever and he leaves more minions. Also, when you get to the location for completing your mission there is no one to stop you, and he know where that was (he found out when you did by spying on you).

Storywise, the most unforgivable part about all this is what you are doing ends up helping him (which would have made him about average), but the ending dialog before the 'to be continued' says that he really thought you were going to do something that would have actually brought an end to him.

I kinda do

None of that sounds familiar and I badly want to know who this villain is, Gwenio. PM me?

Well I know he was cooler looking in TEN, but his voice in DotD was so, so.... weird

^ And hard to understand.

There's a clip in the voice actor interview for DotD of Mark Hamil reading his lines as Malefor unedited and it's awesome. The garbling of his voice was just stupid on the part of the developers. I actually had to turn the subtitles on to figure out what he was saying! How lame is that?

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He was a let down. I don't really hate him, but I don't like him much.
Let down #1:
WTF DM, no corrupt Cynder?!
#2:
Hey! HEY! I'm over here! No, OVER HERE! C'mon! Aim at me ya big galloot! I'm pounding on the back of your head and your firing ice missiles in the opposite direction!
#3:
Uh, sorry, what? Clear your throat, I can't understand you. You want a strepsil, or some water?
#4:
Why are we all still here? Why didn't you destroy the world, oh I dunno, THREE YEARS AGO?!
#5:
You summon the Golem right? Soo... did you have those guys free them and try to sacrifice them? If so, WHY?!
#6:
Sorry, I know it's not just you, but I don't get the whole civilised pre battle conversation with the villain thing. I mean really, if you want them dead so badly why not just lurk in the shadows high above them (grip the wall or something) and body slam them when they enter? Honestly, they're strong, but you'd crush em so easily like that! Just a simple jump, a loud boom and it's all over!

I agree to all the above..

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I didn't like it when he popped up after the Golem fight and announced the Destroyer to everyone, it just seemed to... public, if you get what I mean. I'd have prefered him appearing to just Spyro in some kind of vision, or better, no appearing at all at that point.

Ummehh... I think I'd rather have him there...

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No. No they don't. Not ever in the history of war has anyone ever done that. That's like painting a target on your head and saying "Hey, shoot me! I'm right here!". You have spies so you can find out what the enemy is doing because your enemy is smart enough not to tell you...

...unless your Malefor.

Granted, this is the genius who, instead of having his enemy killed in a thousand simpler, easier, more sure-fire ways, instead decided it was a brilliant idea to bring the enemy to him for no reason whatsoever. None. At all. He says when you meet him that he used Cynder to lead Spyro to him, but he never explains why. It's just plain stupid!

Now if I could change it, I'd make it atleast more intimidating, actually try to use corruption, make a reason why he say Cynder brought him there

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I was mainly referring to other fantasy stories. And in this day and age, we have internet broadcasting, so people at war could actually make a public announcement his way. And Malefor used a magic crystal to make his announcement.

Malefor wanted to inform Spyro of the truth about purple dragons. He probably wanted Spyro and Cynder to join him too. And he probably wanted Cynder for more reasons than one....*remembers DotD parody series episode 8*

You know, I based my main villian off of Malefor and I'm glad I made him better..... Knowing mine, he would have tortured/killed Spyro and kept Cynder XP

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Well, the destroyer was coming out anyway, may as well rub it in the heroes' faces!

I have a a giant behemoth, you have two little dragons, NEHNEHNEHNEHNEEEHNEH!

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I have to disagree. Ripto was set up as a goofy sort of villain (though I found him pretty menacing when he was threatening to kill people since I got the impression that he really meant it). His schemes made sense and he did his best not to get his hands dirty until the very end when he had no other options left. He was also a considerably tougher boss fight. Ripto is even frequently compared with Napoleon both in and out of the fandom (the fact that he's pretty much based on the man, only made kid-friendly, helps).

Contrast this with Malefor, who was built up to be a serious and evil villain but turns out to be generic and no challenge whatsoever. He goes out of his way to make life easy on his enemies and is reading from the comic book supervillain's handbook (and we all know how well those schemes work). And as far as him serving his purpose as a game boss, he didn't even do that. He was, in fact, a massive letdown for most players, especially since the boss fights in the two games before were a much greater and more interesting challenge than he could ever hope to be.

Ripto was awesome and worked... Now when he was brought back into the games... that's when he sucked..

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But even as a goofy villain, Ripto isn't great. He's got nothing on Dr.Eggman, who has also been adapted to be a pretty serious villain in some games, as well as Bowser. Ripto actually gets pretty grating to me. And he let's anger take over sometimes, causing him to make mistakes. I liked Red more.

Malefor did actually show a lot of merit, messing with the heroes' heads and what not. He has the potential to be the next Sephiroth. They just need to use the character wisely. And maybe make the series less about a huge war, and make Malefor feel more like a "personal" villain, if you know what I mean.

Maybe he had the same opinion that Eggman had in Sonic Unleashed, lol! The games were released close to each other!

Malefor is actually hard in co-op. He has a significant health boost too.

And I think Ripto would of actually succeeded in creating Riptonia, if he just came into that world, showed off his leadership talents, showed he could make Avalar a better place, won the hearts of the Avalarians, and then take his leadership and rule democraticly!

*dictatorship. Like he'd let you vote for another person

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Ah, but Ripto wasn't built up to be a god, so his mistakes are reasonable ones. Same with Red. You may not like them, but they at least don't aspire to be so much more than they are.

The only time Eggman ever struck me as a decent villain was when he was Dr. Robotnik in the Sonic SatAM. And I agree with that one Kefka cosplayer about Sephiroth: he's an overrated mama's boy.

Yeah, but that's not much of a villain. I think he would've succeeded in creating Riptonia his way. The only reason he didn't was because of a certain purple dragon.

Robotnic isn't a seriously bad villain, but SatAM Eggman was funny with SatAM sonic XP

"I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG!!" - Classic line to hear XP

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SatA Robotnik was LAME, not true to Dr Eggman at all. :/

Who cares? He was sometimes humorous to me

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...the world's dumbest villain (Malefor).

Actually, there are worse (or at least one that I know of).

Really? Could you name them?

I care because the Robotnik in that series was one dimensional and uninteresting, whereas Eggman is amusing and deep.

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Robotnic isn't a seriously bad villain, but SatAM Eggman was funny with SatAM sonic XP

"I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG!!" - Classic line to hear XP

I gotta say it: I think you guys are mixing up the Sonic SatAM (real title: Sonic the Hedgehog) with The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. The SatAM is the one that had Princess Sally, the half-robot Bunnie Rabbot, and Dulcy the dragon. The Nostalgia Critic has a great review of both series (loooots of strong language; viewer beware).

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There's a clip in the voice actor interview for DotD of Mark Hamil reading his lines as Malefor unedited and it's awesome. The garbling of his voice was just stupid on the part of the developers. I actually had to turn the subtitles on to figure out what he was saying! How lame is that?

The first time i heard his voice i was like, jeeze if only i could recognize that he is indeed speaking english! if it were not for the subtitles to this day i would still be wondering, did he say" at last my guests have arrived" or "alas my geese have survived".

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There's a clip in the voice actor interview for DotD of Mark Hamil reading his lines as Malefor unedited and it's awesome. The garbling of his voice was just stupid on the part of the developers. I actually had to turn the subtitles on to figure out what he was saying! How lame is that?

Yeah me too! Link to the vid PLEASE!

Here it is.

Elijah Wood starts talking about Mark Hamil and you hear his voice clip around 2:10. We also find out that Wayne Brady is more amusing than Sparx and that Elijah Wood isn't acting during LoS, he's just being himself.

Nice! If it were a little deeper, it'd be perfect.

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Robotnic isn't a seriously bad villain, but SatAM Eggman was funny with SatAM sonic XP

"I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG!!" - Classic line to hear XP

I gotta say it: I think you guys are mixing up the Sonic SatAM (real title: Sonic the Hedgehog) with The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. The SatAM is the one that had Princess Sally, the half-robot Bunnie Rabbot, and Dulcy the dragon. The Nostalgia Critic has a great review of both series (loooots of strong language; viewer beware).

I watched that review. I only wish he'd review Sonic Underground....