darkSpyro

why did spyro kill gaul?

Because he "absorbed" a bit of the Dark Mater by falling into the giant purple beam. In short, it turned him evil, so he killed Gaul. >.>

It's funny though, the Dark Master led an army of apes to terrorise the dragon kingdom, and by that it seems as if he was happy with them as his subjects. So why would Spyro in his dark form actually had this desire to kill Gaul anyway? That's the $20,000 question.

Maybe he was angry at Gaul for ruining his escape plan by breaking the floor, thus causing Spyro to fall into the beam?!

I mean, if Gaul just stalled for time as opposed to fighting, don't you think everything could've gone according to plan?

It's a pretty ridiculous theory... so don't bash it.

I think it was a combination of factors. Spyro was angry and scared when he started that fight with Gaul (he'd just seen the Ape King injure, maybe even kill as far as he knew, a dear friend) and he was fighting for his life. When he fell into the Soul Beam, the Dark Master's nature probably latched onto and increased the rage and brought with it a desire for vengeance.

In the end, Spyro hesitated. The part of him that was still himself didn't want to do it. By this point, Gaul was very badly wounded and was likely going to die. I suspect that he wanted to go out quickly and with honor, and what better honor than to be slain by his own master? So he provoked Spyro when the little dude hesitated. It was a quicker end than dying of his wounds, at least.

If the Dark Master had had full control of Spyro, Gaul would probably still be alive. He's a useful ally, the Ape King. But Spyro clearly still had a lot of control over himself, thus things turned out the way they did.

Of course, Spyro is going to struggle with this. He basically murdered Gaul, killed a truly sentient creature, which is something he's not really ready to deal with. He killed Dark Cynder, but it was okay because she wasn't the real Cynder. But Gaul... I've never seen a more definite villain death. I hope they address some of this in the third game.

Flashbacks of a Gaul statue?! o.0

I don't think spyro had any control over himself I think that the
dark master's powers upon being infused with spyro gained some level of sentience but it was malevolent sentience and it was using spyro's body as a vessel to kill gaul. I don't think spyro would kill a living creature

That would be the most hilarious (and short) flashback ever. What I meant was that it'd be nice to get some info on how the Dark Master got Gaul, someone who is clearly used to being the only big power in his domain, to submit to him.

The Gaul said the apes wanted revenge on something thats why he probably joined the dark master, to get more power.

Yeah, He was probably going to release the dark Master and then backfire on him when he had a chance. That's a good thought, arathyne.

I'm working on a fanfic that explains my ideas about Gaul a bit better. I like to think he wasn't always such a horrible person.

Spyro is too kindhearted to kill a living creature.
but thats what I like about spyro he's so kindhearted.

He is a sweety, but he's not ignorant. I think he knows what he's doing when he's fighting his enemies and it's one of those things he does because he has to (if he doesn't kill them, they'll kill him or someone else). His actions are justified and he seems to handle it all pretty well.

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He is a sweety, but he's not ignorant. I think he knows what he's doing when he's fighting his enemies and it's one of those things he does because he has to (if he doesn't kill them, they'll kill him or someone else). His actions are justified and he seems to handle it all pretty well.

agreed.

*mind draws blank* I wanted to add more but i can't remember!

He does handle it well.

I don't think they die I think they teleport

But where would they teleport to? Would it be a nice place or an evil place (and is that fair)? Also, what about the gems they leave behind? We've seen bosses disappear in that same magical puff of light, which implies strongly that they are dead. It's even more implicit when the vanished body leaves behind it's base components (the gems).

This is a staple of most games. Since the very first Mario game, you've had to kill your enemies. That doesn't mean the character you're playing as is a bad guy. He's just doing what he has to do.

Taking lives is still wrong!!!!!!

Of course it is. Any soldier will tell you that. But when it comes down to you or the other guy and you both want to live, someone is bound to die, maybe even both. CS Lewis had a really great quote about this (and he's a man who would know about this stuff since he was actually in one of the World Wars).

I just can't accept the fact that spyro kills living creatures.

"Funny thing isn't, I kill one bloke at home they'd baly hang me, I kill a thousand of 'em out 'ere they'll give me a ******* medal".
My thoughts nicely summed up. I'd go for the medal by the way.

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Of course it is. Any soldier will tell you that. But when it comes down to you or the other guy and you both want to live, someone is bound to die, maybe even both. CS Lewis had a really great quote about this (and he's a man who would know about this stuff since he was actually in one of the World Wars).

He wrote the Narnia books right?

I had no idea he was. COOL!

Yes, he did. I like his philosophical works much more. I highly recommend "Mere Christianity", "The Great Divorce" and "Til We Have Faces". Those are some of my favorite books of all time.

But how am I supposed to like the series if the hero is a killer?
he killed so many of them

Exodus maybe a good place to look for ideas in this matter, particularly at what is done to make the Pharoh give into the demands made of him.

Do you hate police officers for shooting criminals, or soldiers for killing men in battle while they are defending our country? This is basically what Spyro is doing. He is a soldier defending his people.

Anyone who truly defends others would seek a way to stop their enemies not kill them!!!!!!!!

And if your enemies will do anything to kill innocents of your nation and the only way to stop them is to kill them? Remember, the apes killed dragon children, hatchlings still in the egg who couldn't defend themselves. They have every intent to destroy the dragon race and nothing will stop them short of death itself (and even that is debatable with the Dark Master's powers). There isn't always a peaceful solution.

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Anyone who truly defends others would seek a way to stop their enemies not kill them!!!!!!!!

Thou hath failed the Test of Righteousness as it is in Neverwinter Nights 2.

And I ask you to explain how the Angel of Death is not evil for killing every firstborn in Egypt that was not in a home marked with lambs blood.

spyro is no better then the apes if he kills them. in fact I hope he gets crushed by 499 tons of metal, rubble, and debris, when he gets out of that time crystal!!!!!!!!! like I said before if spyro willingly kills other living beings then he's no better then the apes.

What I'm saying is: I could care less if he dies in the next game.
I loved this series so much but now that I know that the hero is a killer I see that I was wrong. I guess I'll go to sleep depressed.

Right-o. I officially give up trying to talk sense to you. If you now hate the series so much, why are you still here?

Touché, Sir Artist. That is a good point indeed.

We should make a "Post here if you hate TEN" thread... so we stop getting numerous hate topics. >.>

one side of me says I should like the series while another side says otherwise I'm just so lost.

I'm just so sad I thought that spyro would never willingly kill a living being.

Spyro has been killing before the TLOS series so there is nothing to cry about.

He has!?! now I'm really heartbroken. this is why I'm lost.

What do you think a bad guy screaming and keeling over and lying ominously still is doing? Having a creepy yawn before a short nap, I don't think so, more like a long nap six feet under. Besides in real life death is a major contributor to progress. It's sad (not to me) but it's true.

Good guys have been killing bad guys and vice versa since the earliest video games. It's even etched in how we talk about games. "Oh, drat, he killed me!" "Dude, did you see that! I totally slaughtered that guy!" I wasn't bothered by Mario violently stomping Goombas to death when I was eight and Spyro is a pretty merciful warrior (well...he used to be; I was kind of surprised by how violent his moves are in LoS, but impressed that he beat the stuffing out of his enemies before they died ).

That's true Spyro killed Toasty and many after that and it didn't bug me. Bad guys are meant to die and sometimes a hero should die to make the storyline a bit more dramatic.

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That's true Spyro killed Toasty and many after that and it didn't bug me. Bad guys are meant to die and sometimes a hero should die to make the storyline a bit more dramatic.

Your siggy. I did the same thing when sniff said that.