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This game legitimately frightened me at the start with the Giygas sampling in the character creation screen (the track's called "ANOTHER HIM"). And then it just went "the choices you make don't really matter" and I was paranoid for the entire game.

I still played a pacifist, wondering if, in an ironic twist, that would get me the "worst" ending, but it looks like it's the same no matter what happens. Frankly, it seems like most people are, at the moment, freaking out more over what happened at the very start and very end of the chapter rather than the actual meat of the game. <.<;

I'll have more to say. tl;dr version is if Undertale was an Earthbound spiritual successor, then this felt more like Mother 3.

THAT ENDING THO

Everyone keeps saying it's an alternate universe, but I'm really not so sure. The way the text is condescending at the house but back to regular UT in the dark world, Ralsei/Asriel being dropped but Susie doesn't even say a thing about Boss Monsters, Sans acting the same as usual but having not as many fourth wall breaking dialogue... Something happened. This isn't just about being True Pacifist, Tainted Pacifist or Genocide. Something else happened between both games.

God, even the fact that the cage is stained and damaged if you inspect it before the ending. The Tainted Pacifist merch card clearly shows that Chara was trying to kill everyone in that ending, no waiting. If they're very much in (some degree of) control, then what the hell are they doing every night????

No real idea. I've seen some crazy theories out there so far. Things like...
1) This is one of the places across space Gaster was spread to and, in arriving (as us, the player), we brought Chara with us.
2) That WAS Chara ejected... and Kris is actually a deranged monster that Chara was holding back. Because apparently a semi-popular Undertale theory is that Chara adapts to the kindness/cruelty we express as the player when playing Undertale and Chara is still the narrator even on Pacifist.
3) There's some sort of universal crash happening... and perhaps Ralsei is the key to saving Flowey in the vanilla Undertale universe.

Honestly, I just want to know if we'll be returning to the Dark World to see some of these characters in the future. The Kards guy only had, like, a couple of minutes of screen time and he seems more important than that. <.<;

Kris isn't just a genderless variation of common names, it's a type of dagger. An asymetrical dagger with patterns, to be specific, whose name means "to split"...

Honestly the way I see it is that this is an alternate universe, like a different timeline. Specifically one where the war between monsters and humans never happened. We KNOW it can't be a direct sequel to the undertale pacifist ending because Undyne doesn't know who Alphys is at all, not to mention that Asriel is alive.

Regardless the actual game was pretty great and definitely feels like a sequel from a gameplay perspective, keeping similar mechanics but adding on to it with spells and other party members. I am kind of annoyed that exp hasn't been implemented yet, but it is just a demo.

I think one of the biggest things to put a wrench on the regular AU thing is Asriel/Ralsei. Why is he there and not on college as mentioned; why is he so young(but a teen and not a kid because of the horns) when we know he looks, um, bigger when adult; why doesn't he use fire magic like his parents anymore??

Also, one thing I remembered from UT - despite taking the human souls, Photoshop Flowey couldn't stop them from destroying his form when they rebelled against him. If a human soul is capable of acting on the will of its original owner, could this be why the use of the name Kris? Chara and Frisk fighting to control the body and not always getting over each other(Kris-as-Chara clearly spends some time struggling before throwing themselves out of bed), regardless of how they got there?

Another point is that, even if it's a "happy" AU where everyone is free and has normal-ish lives, Toriel and Asgore still divorced over something, and everyone implies this made Kris recluse, morbid and clingy. Again, we're lacking SOMETHING happening that's either how this connects to UT's story, or how things were taken from that timeline and put here.

Out of curiosity, how many of you defeated/even found the secret boss? I had no clue until I was wandering extended soundtracks from the game and found one I never heard. It's uh, pretty insane to say the least. Imo probably harder than Undyne the undying, but easier than Sans.

OH GOD

Seam the shopkeeper's buttons are three spheres in a triangle pattern that move in an odd way
Same symbol Photoshop Flowey uses at the end of "Monsters, humans, everyone(...)", except that his were white in the middle.

That's brutal. Everything is connected somehow...

I didn't find every area in the town but you can get even more information about Kris from certain characters as I'm seeing from other people.
Loves chocolate, does pranks in poor taste, pretty attached to Asriel.
All Chara, none of Frisk.
but why does Asriel/Ralsei say their Soul is the culmination of their compassion, and why do they even have to remove it at all

AND THE ENDING SONG HAS 'DON'T FORGET' IN THE LYRICS
TOBY WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

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HALF THE **** IN DELTARUNE PREDATES UNDERTALE
UNDERTALE WAS JUST THE BETA

And, yeah, I did not discover the secret boss until after finishing the game. But, well, I suuuuuuuck at bullet hell to the extent where I didn't even bother attempting a genocide run in Undertale b/c there was no conceivable way for me to be beat it. Not even going to try to fight Jevil. Especially not using arrow keys. Good god did it suck using them after the Joy Con analogue sticks. <.<;

Honestly I haven't beaten him yet. Gave it a solid 10-ish attempts and gave up for now. Every time I thought I was getting close he just got so much worse. Maybe I'll give up on "ACT"-ing and instead just lay the smack down on him.

Cages.

Rouxls Kaard's hobbies are calligraphy,lawkeeping,bugkeeping and cages. Not birdkeeping, not metalworking. Cages.

I'm given to understand FIGHTing is potentially EVEN WORSE b/c Jevil's health is stacked up the wazoo. You'd best have Susie buffed up and, if you choose to FIGHT, your main method of building up TP will come from grazing Jevil's bullets... so have fun with that.

A different world. Our ending in UT does not affect this. (Okay but the song and Kris' dialogue clearly shows something is connected???). The main takeway is that we shouldnt WORRY about what it is and just go with the flow.

No progress past Chapter 1, Toby and Temmie are already overwhelmed. They're looking for a team first and there's no estimate for completion. Toby refuses to do a kickstarter again.

Chapter 1 is subject to change, Toby specifically notes wanting to change the UI and finding better turn filler than Defend for pacifists.

Toby says none, but he's lied before. However, in the demo, your choices barely matter except on how to defeat Lancer's father...

I'm a slight bit disappointed he deconfirmed multiple endings, but otherwise I completely understand everything else.

-Every save slot changes the game - the description of Asriel's drawer is different in each one. Between this and the ending not changing but you can change if Lancer leads the insurrection in Cards Castle or not, I think Toby will play with the fact that you can't change the ENDING of the game, but you can change everything until that point, be it to make other people's lives better or cause such a mess that it wouldn't matter that Chara can always take control of the character.

-Something only noticeable while watching a stream with headphones on. Before Kris-as-Chara throws themsleves out of bed, you can fainly hear a heartbeat; and when they stick their hand in, it's the damage SFX played on loop. I don't think the whole control struggle is something that's just happening whenever, there's violence against the vessel involved for sure. Maybe this is why the mysterious character that Contacts the player at the start only proceeds when you make the Soul manifest...

And can I just say ANOTHER HIM sampling the Giygas sound effects legit made me terrified to play this game. I was very paranoid there was going to be something jumpscary... and was proven right with the chapter's ending. @.@

Took me long enough to notice that Kris insisting for fruit juice on the church means they were looking for the wine. Between that and constantly stealing chocolate from the fridge, I find it pretty funny that Toby is reminding everyone that, soulless(maybe?) or not, Chara is still a teen in the mind, and not this ageless entity.

So I was recently made aware that Susie is an anagram of Issue and Kris is an anagram of Risk. What that means could be anybody's guess, but Toby doesn't do stuff like this on accident.

I like susie the best, but I'm a total suck for a good "redemption" story, or seeing big changes in a character over time, especially when they left the school at the end. That really got to me.

Susie has BIG COMPLEX CHARACTER POTENTIAL and is potentially the actual protagonist
Ralsei is a mystery since he might not be really this world's Asriel or even an impostor, but at the same time he's a kind boye who might or might not have feelings for Kris
Kris speaks for themselves(ha). Are they Frisk and Chara fighting for control? Are they a normal kid that Chara got a hold of? Was Gaster just being cheeky and this is actually the vessel to try and stop whatever needs to be stopped by the player? Toby took out a page of Persona 5 of having a "blank" protagonist who is actually their own person with likes and dislikes and spun it on its head.

Out of the supporting cast I also like Noelle, but the giant red flags that she, her mother or her father might meet a grim fate in Chapter 2 make me not want to get attached. Lancer it is.

Susie's got the best arc, for sure. Ralsei is... interesting for the potential. Like, what if it's a reverse Flowey situation where, instead of restoring a sociopath to his kind-hearted self (albeit temporarily) we take an extremely kind-hearted soul and wind up turning them into a complete nihilist. That'd probably break everyone's hearts.

And, again, my big question is... if/when the full game exists... will we actually return to the Card Kingdom? Because, from the sounds of it, this Knight (and possibly "the Queen") are planting dark fountains in different places. So, will other "chapters" take us to different places entirely? The fountains already bring the needles to mind from Mother 3, so it wouldn't surprise me if Lancer's arc is over and we'd have a rotating cast of supporting characters. Would certainly help explain why Toby would want a team for this one.

Has an attack that resembles the Real Knife's coloring. Between that and the Chaos King having one of this attacks turn into red magic(same color as Susie's final ability), I wonder...

As is the case with Undertale, it looks like some tracks actually play in a different key/pitch in the game compared to the OST... and I find myself liking the in-game variants better (like with Death By Glamour). Anyone happen to know if there's a way to get THE HOLY to sound like it does in game?

Really? I had no idea that happened. But uh, I have no idea how to go about that. Aside from recording it yourself obviously.

AHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT JUST HAPPENED

Has anyone mentioned that when kris rips out the soul and throws it in the cage, you can control the soul afterwards? It could mean a few different things, but who knows...

After all, your choices don't matter.

Two other things on that subject though:
-edit: I was full of **** on this. Kris actually has blank white eyes on that sprite. That might lean more towards the conflict theory then, because that means there's another reason you can't see Kris' eyes most of the time.
-A streamer brought up that one of the Goners in UT tells Frisk to imagine “Have you ever thought about a world where everything is exactly the same.. except you don’t exist? Everything functions perfectly without you.”, and to acess the Fun values in the first versions, you had to alter the F in the code; possibly meaning that, just like Suzy and Susie are counterparts, so are Frisk and Kris.

Angel's Heaven is another matter entirely, since it's clearly the Dreemurs' religion.

Rudy was already dead in UT's timeline
get ready for sad