darkSpyro

when does body positivity become an insecure thing instead of a acceptance? i believe that being comfortable with your body is a goal everybody should and can achieve. however is there a body type that shouldnt get accepted for health related reasons?

When you start yelling that cancer awareness ads that mention obesity can cause it are offensive

To me, I become insecure when those overweight mightn't even live to reach 50 and I like to at least reach 80, exercising and eating right (or at least eat in moderation) becomes a necessity for me.

Depends on what you mean by insecure. I'm an average guy and I definitely can't help but feel a little insecure when I see bodybuilders and elite athletes.

That insecurity is very different from the kind that an anorexic person feels when they binge and purge. Or the kind that an obese person feels when they can't keep up with their friends while walking.

In any case, obesity should not be accepted on neither an individual nor societal level. Like it or not (barring serious medical conditions), your weight is one of the few things in life that you can control 100%.

Obesity complications make up most of the leading causes of preventable death in the U.S., and expenses related to said complications cost us hundreds of billions each year.

As someone who vehemently supports universal healthcare for America, I know it won't be remotely feasible until our obesity problem is under control. Otherwise, public costs (and therefore taxes) would just be too damn high. This is also why I oppose the Fat Acceptance movement - there is no reason to be proud of the fact that you're slowly killing yourself.

That's just my 8 cents.

My physical health is something I pride myself on. I eat healthy, vegetarian diet, I go to the gym 6 days a week, and I'm confident and happier because of it. I make the choices that I make because I feel good when I make them.
That said, coffee makes me happy too. An unhealthy amount of dark roast, high caffeine coffee is how I start off my day and it's a lot of what I drink throughout the day. I prefer splenda (powdered cancer) over sugar. It's so bad for me but I enjoy it, so I sacrifice a bit of my health for it. It's worth it to me.
I don't like to wear my seatbelt, so I don't. I've been known to take recreational fun enhancers from time to time. I feed the bears that come to my house because they're cute. I make a lot of stupid decisions that could potentially significantly decrease my lifespan, but they make my personal quality of life a lot better. If I live to be 60 and happy instead of 90 and bored, so be it. Maybe that's a morbid way to think but it's completely my decision. It's not anyone's business how I live my life because it doesn't effect their lives in any way.

So why is it that there's no counter-movement against my bad coffee habits or my seatbelt-less pride? Because nobody really cares about a stranger's health that much, they just don't like that some people are fat. It's this houlier than thou thing of people trying to protest the way someone else lives their life masked as empathy and concern, but really it's motivated by the fact that they don't like it and they don't want to see it. Fat pride isn't encouraging anyone else to be unhealthy, it's just people saying "Hey, this is the way I want to be and I'm fine with it, **** your opinions". I will always encourage the people I love to make better decisions for themselves and improve as people. I cook healthy meals for my family, I go to the gym with my friends, I help anyone who wants to do better for themselves. But berating someone for existing in a way that I don't prefer just isn't my thing.

There's my like, $1.39 or whatever

I feel like body positivity w being fat is less about "being obese is great and not unhealthy" and more about "fat people deserve basic respect and shouldn't hate themselves for their weight". imo there's a difference between loving yourself and encouraging a healthy lifestyle vs ignoring the health complications that come with obesity in favour of feeling comfortable w yourself. That being said, I have seen people supporting the latter point of view and I think it's kind of a step backwards?

literally why does it matter, people who care are trying to shape people into their image and it's like who the **** cares, like homophobes, how the **** are gay people hurting you? Like if your life is so miserable you have to judge others because of their body issues you need to reevaluate yourself and the way you treat others. Like if a vegan came to me and told me to stop eating meat because they didnt like it, why does it matter to them and why should i be made to feel bad because of the way I am?

As long as the movement does not promote objectively unhealthy lifestyles as a normality, then I'm fine with it.

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literally why does it matter, people who care are trying to shape people into their image and it's like who the **** cares, like homophobes, how the **** are gay people hurting you? Like if your life is so miserable you have to judge others because of their body issues you need to reevaluate yourself and the way you treat others. Like if a vegan came to me and told me to stop eating meat because they didnt like it, why does it matter to them and why should i be made to feel bad because of the way I am?

How does body image affect others? Why should people feel bad about their choices because it affects others? I can't answer that. You'll have to ask someone else.

Ask the widow who lost her husband to a heart attack right before their 25th anniversary.

Ask the teenager who can't go to college because she has to stay home and take care of her morbidly obese mother, who spent her high school graduation in the hospital.

Ask the old man who outlived both of his kids thanks to Type 2 diabetes.

Ask the bride-to-be whose father won't be there to walk her down the aisle.

They can explain it better than I can.

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literally why does it matter, people who care are trying to shape people into their image and it's like who the **** cares, like homophobes, how the **** are gay people hurting you? Like if your life is so miserable you have to judge others because of their body issues you need to reevaluate yourself and the way you treat others. Like if a vegan came to me and told me to stop eating meat because they didnt like it, why does it matter to them and why should i be made to feel bad because of the way I am?

How does body image affect others? Why should people feel bad about their choices because it affects others? I can't answer that. You'll have to ask someone else.

Ask the widow who lost her husband to a heart attack right before their 25th anniversary.

Ask the teenager who can't go to college because she has to stay home and take care of her morbidly obese mother, who spent her high school graduation in the hospital.

Ask the old man who outlived both of his kids thanks to Type 2 diabetes.

Ask the bride-to-be whose father won't be there to walk her down the aisle.

They can explain it better than I can.

K so why does it matter to you.

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literally why does it matter, people who care are trying to shape people into their image and it's like who the **** cares, like homophobes, how the **** are gay people hurting you? Like if your life is so miserable you have to judge others because of their body issues you need to reevaluate yourself and the way you treat others. Like if a vegan came to me and told me to stop eating meat because they didnt like it, why does it matter to them and why should i be made to feel bad because of the way I am?

How does body image affect others? Why should people feel bad about their choices because it affects others? I can't answer that. You'll have to ask someone else.

Ask the widow who lost her husband to a heart attack right before their 25th anniversary.

Ask the teenager who can't go to college because she has to stay home and take care of her morbidly obese mother, who spent her high school graduation in the hospital.

Ask the old man who outlived both of his kids thanks to Type 2 diabetes.

Ask the bride-to-be whose father won't be there to walk her down the aisle.

They can explain it better than I can.

K so why does it matter to you.

I explained it in my earlier post. I'm a big supporter of universal healthcare for the U.S., and in order to make that as feasible as it can be for all of us, we need to be as healthy as possible so we're not spending money on preventable problems. It follows the model of other countries with universal healthcare, which have very healthy populations compared to us.

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How does body image affect others? Why should people feel bad about their choices because it affects others? I can't answer that. You'll have to ask someone else.

Ask the widow who lost her husband to a heart attack right before their 25th anniversary.

Ask the teenager who can't go to college because she has to stay home and take care of her morbidly obese mother, who spent her high school graduation in the hospital.

Ask the old man who outlived both of his kids thanks to Type 2 diabetes.

Ask the bride-to-be whose father won't be there to walk her down the aisle.

They can explain it better than I can.

K so why does it matter to you.

I explained it in my earlier post. I'm a big supporter of universal healthcare for the U.S., and in order to make that as feasible as it can be for all of us, we need to be as healthy as possible so we're not spending money on preventable problems. It follows the model of other countries with universal healthcare, which have very healthy populations compared to us.

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why don't you think the same of people who do dangerous activities like skydiving, or people who drink too much caffeine? Are you going to shame people who kill themselves? Your argument is it affects people who love them but you're focusing on obesity. It's none of your business so why does it matter to you? I support animals being adopted because they deserve a home but I don't force people to adopt

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why don't you think the same of people who do dangerous activities like skydiving, or people who drink too much caffeine? Are you going to shame people who kill themselves? Your argument is it affects people who love them but you're focusing on obesity. It's none of your business so why does it matter to you? I support animals being adopted because they deserve a home but I don't force people to adopt

Look at the link I included in my first post, it's a CDC National Health Report. Basically, it's all about numbers; obesity affects way too many people (and costs way too much in healthcare resources) for it to be just ignored. Things like skydiving are far less common (and so are accidents, since it's usually conducted with trained professionals), and drinking caffeine is usually fine as long as you're otherwise healthy.

No, I don't shame people who commit suicide, just as I don't shame people who are obese. Instead, I advocate for stronger mental health awareness, just as I advocate for healthy, sustainable lifestyles. Yes, I'm focusing on obesity because it's second-largest factor in preventable deaths in my country (tobacco is #1 but it's on the decline, and as the child of two former smokers I'm just as riled about that too). It's all around me and I can't ignore it. If skydiving deaths and caffeine addiction were as common and dangerous, I'd focus on them too.

And when did I say I advocate forcing people to lose weight? I didn't. I strongly encourage it, but I know it can't be forced. It has to be embraced willingly.

That being said, I find it much more morally acceptable to hurt someone's feelings than allow them to slowly kill themselves.

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why don't you think the same of people who do dangerous activities like skydiving, or people who drink too much caffeine? Are you going to shame people who kill themselves? Your argument is it affects people who love them but you're focusing on obesity. It's none of your business so why does it matter to you? I support animals being adopted because they deserve a home but I don't force people to adopt

Look at the link I included in my first post, it's a CDC National Health Report. Basically, it's all about numbers; obesity affects way too many people (and costs way too much in healthcare resources) for it to be just ignored. Things like skydiving are far less common (and so are accidents, since it's usually conducted with trained professionals), and drinking caffeine is usually fine as long as you're otherwise healthy.

No, I don't shame people who commit suicide, just as I don't shame people who are obese. Instead, I advocate for stronger mental health awareness, just as I advocate for healthy, sustainable lifestyles. Yes, I'm focusing on obesity because it's second-largest factor in preventable deaths in my country (tobacco is #1 but it's on the decline, and as the child of two former smokers I'm just as riled about that too). It's all around me and I can't ignore it. If skydiving deaths and caffeine addiction were as common and dangerous, I'd focus on them too.

And when did I say I advocate forcing people to lose weight? I didn't. I strongly encourage it, but I know it can't be forced. It has to be embraced willingly.

That being said, I find it much more morally acceptable to hurt someone's feelings than allow them to slowly kill themselves.

Isn't that the same thing?

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why don't you think the same of people who do dangerous activities like skydiving, or people who drink too much caffeine? Are you going to shame people who kill themselves? Your argument is it affects people who love them but you're focusing on obesity. It's none of your business so why does it matter to you? I support animals being adopted because they deserve a home but I don't force people to adopt

Look at the link I included in my first post, it's a CDC National Health Report. Basically, it's all about numbers; obesity affects way too many people (and costs way too much in healthcare resources) for it to be just ignored. Things like skydiving are far less common (and so are accidents, since it's usually conducted with trained professionals), and drinking caffeine is usually fine as long as you're otherwise healthy.

No, I don't shame people who commit suicide, just as I don't shame people who are obese. Instead, I advocate for stronger mental health awareness, just as I advocate for healthy, sustainable lifestyles. Yes, I'm focusing on obesity because it's second-largest factor in preventable deaths in my country (tobacco is #1 but it's on the decline, and as the child of two former smokers I'm just as riled about that too). It's all around me and I can't ignore it. If skydiving deaths and caffeine addiction were as common and dangerous, I'd focus on them too.

And when did I say I advocate forcing people to lose weight? I didn't. I strongly encourage it, but I know it can't be forced. It has to be embraced willingly.

That being said, I find it much more morally acceptable to hurt someone's feelings than allow them to slowly kill themselves.

Isn't that the same thing?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean. If you mean it's the same as fatshaming or advocating forcing people to lose weight, I don't think it is. I don't make fun of people for being overweight or obese, but I have no problem telling them that their weight is unhealthy and they should do something about it (if it comes up, of course - I usually keep my mouth to myself unless asked).

If you mean it's the same thing as someone slowly killing themselves, I think that's another topic entirely. PM me if you want to discuss it further, I don't mind.

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why don't you think the same of people who do dangerous activities like skydiving, or people who drink too much caffeine? Are you going to shame people who kill themselves? Your argument is it affects people who love them but you're focusing on obesity. It's none of your business so why does it matter to you? I support animals being adopted because they deserve a home but I don't force people to adopt

Look at the link I included in my first post, it's a CDC National Health Report. Basically, it's all about numbers; obesity affects way too many people (and costs way too much in healthcare resources) for it to be just ignored. Things like skydiving are far less common (and so are accidents, since it's usually conducted with trained professionals), and drinking caffeine is usually fine as long as you're otherwise healthy.

No, I don't shame people who commit suicide, just as I don't shame people who are obese. Instead, I advocate for stronger mental health awareness, just as I advocate for healthy, sustainable lifestyles. Yes, I'm focusing on obesity because it's second-largest factor in preventable deaths in my country (tobacco is #1 but it's on the decline, and as the child of two former smokers I'm just as riled about that too). It's all around me and I can't ignore it. If skydiving deaths and caffeine addiction were as common and dangerous, I'd focus on them too.

And when did I say I advocate forcing people to lose weight? I didn't. I strongly encourage it, but I know it can't be forced. It has to be embraced willingly.

That being said, I find it much more morally acceptable to hurt someone's feelings than allow them to slowly kill themselves.

Isn't that the same thing?

No? When he says hurting someones feelings, he means basically encouraging person to go on a diet, even though it might make said person feel bad. You get what I mean? It's better to "hurt someone's feelings" then leave a person alone to possibly die due to an unhealthy lifestyle.

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Look at the link I included in my first post, it's a CDC National Health Report. Basically, it's all about numbers; obesity affects way too many people (and costs way too much in healthcare resources) for it to be just ignored. Things like skydiving are far less common (and so are accidents, since it's usually conducted with trained professionals), and drinking caffeine is usually fine as long as you're otherwise healthy.

No, I don't shame people who commit suicide, just as I don't shame people who are obese. Instead, I advocate for stronger mental health awareness, just as I advocate for healthy, sustainable lifestyles. Yes, I'm focusing on obesity because it's second-largest factor in preventable deaths in my country (tobacco is #1 but it's on the decline, and as the child of two former smokers I'm just as riled about that too). It's all around me and I can't ignore it. If skydiving deaths and caffeine addiction were as common and dangerous, I'd focus on them too.

And when did I say I advocate forcing people to lose weight? I didn't. I strongly encourage it, but I know it can't be forced. It has to be embraced willingly.

That being said, I find it much more morally acceptable to hurt someone's feelings than allow them to slowly kill themselves.

Isn't that the same thing?

No? When he says hurting someones feelings, he means basically encouraging person to go on a diet, even though it might make said person feel bad. You get what I mean? It's better to "hurt someone's feelings" then leave a person alone to possibly die due to an unhealthy lifestyle.

Yeah, this.

body positivity should end where the denial of facts begins

As long as you're not inserting yourself into someone else's business I don't really care. I just don't understand why some people are so bothered by how others live their lives. I don't like when people sit at home and play videogames all day, I don't like when people purchase produce when they could easily grow it themselves, I don't like when people buy meat from chain stores. There are a lot of choices people make that I don't like but I don't concern myself with it because I'm here to take care of myself and not strangers on the internet who are just tryna feel good in bikinis. You feel me?

Well I only care for my body really, if people like being fat what can I do, they should know it's unhealthy but I can't stop them from hurting their own health, they do whatever they want to, I won't offend them either because again I don't care if they're fat or not. Lack of empathy sometimes is my preferred option.