darkSpyro

So, everyone seems to have mixed feelings on Turbo Charge DK and Hammer Slam Bowser. Some love it, some people are indifferent to it, and some people despise it. But no matter which category you fall in, I think there's something we all need to take into account here:

Turbo Charge DK and Hammer Slam Bowser are non-canon.

I mean, what are the chances we'll see DK and Bowser turn up in the comics? Or the novels? Or any other merchandise? Pretty slim. And that's because they don't fit into the lore of Skylanders... nor should they.

Here, let me give an example. In one of the Soul Calibur games, Yoda and Darth Vader are playable on the Xbox version. Now, Soul Calibur is a game with quite a bit of lore behind it, and what's their reason for having Star Wars characters only on the Xbox version?

...There is no reason other than it's just cool to see Yoda and Darth Vader there. And yet it doesn't effect anything story-wise.

And that's exactly what I think VV is doing with DK and Bowser. They don't care about why they're there, they just care about the fact that they are there. It doesn't effect the story, or the gameplay, or really anything about the game.

"Oh, butt dis da first time da figurz ain't univesawy compatebull" - Well, when Xbox and PlayStation release their own line of NFC figures, then we'll talk.

If they really prove them to be outside of literally everything which regards the lore then I will stop caring about them entirely and simply pretend they don't exist.

But why wouldn't they take the chance to slap two such famous and well known characters in any media possible (comics, merchandise, commercials, animated shorts, books and whatever)...?
I doubt they won't take advantage of them.

And I also highly doubt we'll see Microsoft and Sony exclusives figures in the future.
Skymiibos were made only because V.V. are huge Nintendo fanboys.
That's it.

Doubt TfB would go crazy about Banjo-Kazooie or Crash and ask them to become honorary playable characters even if both companies would eventually end up with exclusive TtL games.
We might see more Skymiibos thought.

I think it's better to ask the devs about it before making those statements. VV wouldn't be very happy if TFB later went and said 'those guys have actually never been here' because of the lack of canon status, so I wouldn't doubt they tried to hastly fit them in.

I honestly don't care.... two characters aren't universally compatible. Two out of 300 (Even tho I'm hyped DK, I understand the anger, even if I myself could get past it)
There is a lore explanation, and I doubt, nor do I think Nintendo would allow, them to treat DK and Bowser like flagship characters. Sure they'll use them in promotional material, but it'll be gone in a year. As far as we know, copyright issues won't let them be in Sky 6

It's canon to me!

Okay, allow me to rephrase myself if I may.

The Skymiibos are canon to the Nintendo Skylands, but to the other versions they are not, hence why they don't exist or have a story explanation why they're there as of now.

...Better?

Sure, that goes without saying.

They are fun extras for Nintendo systems but nothing canon for the series as a whole.
That would work.

Yes, that's a better wording - also with a lot of potential for possible shenanigans if someone(maybe fan works) explore the possibility that even Skylands itself is torn apart in the meta sense by the consoles it's in. That'd be one deep headcanon but it'd work.

That would work really well too!
And would also explain why the 3DS versions of the game are so different from the others (I know they narrate side-stories but they still came out on the same year and with the same title of the home console versions).

This might be first 3DS game to officially aknowledge Kaos.

I would argue against that, since Fiesta and Funny Bone create continuity that SF3DS really did happen. If at a similar time period, it's hard to tell, but it's connected. And among the spoilers of the achivement list...

Sure, what I meant is they all takes place in the same dimension but just follow different stories.
The Skylanders might be the element which ties all the stories together.

I know, it's difficult to explain so I can only imagine how difficult it must be to understand...
Let's say we are still talking about two parallel Skylands with the same characters (Skylanders included) and background lore but with different stories since the events of the first game.

The Skylanders can jump across both realities and so can certain characters like Count Moneybone.
It still sounds nonsensical but I tried. X/

Oh and, good Eon I want the game to come out soooo bad!
All these things I cannot read are killing me!

I personally consider the Nintendo SSC to be the true continuity.

That's prolly just me though. I was never a fan of slightly alt dimensions, personally.

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If they really prove them to be outside of literally everything which regards the lore then I will stop caring about them entirely and simply pretend they don't exist.

I already act like that. They're NOT Skylanders for me and never will be.

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If they really prove them to be outside of literally everything which regards the lore then I will stop caring about them entirely and simply pretend they don't exist.

I already act like that. They're NOT Skylanders for me and never will be.

They are not Skylanders to me either.
What bothers me is that they still get the same treatment but aren't playable on all the consoles.

If they completely treat them as pure mindless extras then it will be the end of my gripes with them.

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I personally consider the Nintendo SSC to be the true continuity.

That's prolly just me though. I was never a fan of slightly alt dimensions, personally.

Me too. Multiverse theory in fiction always suggests a true timeline.
Besides, the plot goes out of its way to explain their presence. "the story is an elegant prose where the Skylanders are so desperate to stop Kaos, they send out a clarion call for help across the multiverse. That's where Bowser and Donkey Kong come in"
That's a paraphrasal, not a quote, but if they're Nintendo fanboys, then they might structure their development process like them:

start with a gimmick, and build the plot around that gimmick. Would explain why VV has no respect for lore, they at least try to maintain continuity, as much as possible, since apart from Kaos's mom having a COMPLETELY different Stance when it comes to Portal Masters, there's not much that broke the existing canon.

That development process would imply that they made the plot take over after Kaos won BECAUSE of Amiibolanders, rather than the plot allowing them to justify their existence.

@above: yeah, there's nothing to explain why yoda is only on Xbox and vader is only on PS3 in SCIV because they're BOTH canon in BOTH games, and you can obtain the other one as DLC anyway.
The accompanying story for SCIV has both of them involved in the plot of accompanying media. During that part of the timeline.
And it's a fighter. It's not a good example because it's tough to properly convey a story with a fighter campaign anyway, unless said story is a tournament in the first place.
TLDR: Always assume the most complete plot is THE canon

Are the books & comics canon? I don't know how Activision/VV/TFB deals with it, but generally if it's not in an official game, it's not canon...

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Are the books & comics canon? I don't know how Activision/VV/TFB deals with it, but generally if it's not in an official game, it's not canon...

The comics and books are indeed canon.

The writer for Swap Force and Superchargers does the comics, so it's safe to assume they're canon. The earliest book, Machine of Doom, has conflict with the canon, but later on Mask of Power doesn't have any and the main location of the Eternal Archives appear in TT3DS, so they're also canon.

Has it been stated by anyone official that the exrta media are canon? Plenty of writers for the Star Trek series have written Star Trek books, but they're not considered official canon either. Heck, William Shatner has written Star Trek novels that aren't canon.

Don't know if anyone asked directly, but a lot of stuff showed up in them before being confirmed in the games so thought it went without saying. The twitters are there to do that, and Lou and Rodriguez have been known to answer these kinds of questions. I don't have one so never thought to try. There's also a Q&A going on until the 21st on the Malefor group on DeviantART so if someone wants to ask there it's easy; I just won't since I already put way more questions than it'd be polite to.

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Don't know if anyone asked directly, but a lot of stuff showed up in them before being confirmed in the games so thought it went without saying. The twitters are there to do that, and Lou and Rodriguez have been known to answer these kinds of questions. I don't have one so never thought to try. There's also a Q&A going on until the 21st on the Malefor group on DeviantART so if someone wants to ask there it's easy; I just won't since I already put way more questions than it'd be polite to.

Link to the Q&A?

http://skylanders-malefor.devi...up-QA-553265248

Big thanks to Aura for linking it to me via pm.

The Q&A is not on SSC, only on SkyMalefor and the Return of the Dragon King arc. David won't answer questions on the future of Skylanders nor SuperChargers, so I wouldn't bother trying to ask for SSC questions.

Asking just if it's canon probably would be innocent enough though, since with so many people in the forums just ignoring the comics it might make some buy them. But yeah, don't push on questions about the next game, getting good lore Q&As from them is already way too uncommon compared to the first few years so we need to treat this one well.

But will they be compatible in future titles? I know thats thinking WAY too far into the future but i hope they do but still on nintendo consoles and who knows there maybe more of the skymiibos in the future.

Everyone is wrong.

These figures exist only because two companies (Activision and Nintendo) were able to strike a deal that they think further their respective company interests. Although it's true VV are Nintendo fans that's not the reason for their inclusion in the game. This decision is "above their pay grade".

As to canon or no canon, I don't think Activision cares enough to even know the answer, so anything here is simply speculation. I choose to ignore them because Activision and Nintendo chose to market this only as a platform exclusive--a platform I do not and will not have. Their loss, not mine.

They are "canon" as far as I'm concerned. These characters were called upon to help. That's it. Just like very person out there who buys these games are the Portal Masters called upon for help.

Don' have a Wii U or don't want DK or Bowser? Easy....just don't call upon them for help. No longer part of the story.

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Me too. Multiverse theory in fiction always suggests a true timeline.

What does "a true timeline" even mean? In the context of real life they are all untrue on account of being fictional. In the context of their own fictional stories they are all true unless shown to be some kind of dream or hallucination.


Basically if you are playing SSC on PS/XB then DK and Bowser don't exist in the story. If you are playing SSC on Wii U then they do exist. Neither version of the story is "more true" than the other, the only thing that matters is which one you personally choose to play.

My personal deadlines will be Rift into Overdrive and the game's release (with its introduction).
If they will still ignore them for all the aspects regarding lore I will simply take it as a way of saying they are just something for Nintendo fans and nothing more.

But if they do try to force them inside the canon while contradicting certain previously enstablished details I will take is as another confirm for something I'm still pondering over.

I see them as canon.

I don't get why people would say that there are multiverses, unless you're counting universes within the main Skylanders universe, the "mini" universe etc.
But that would just be getting technical, no Skylander games so far exist as a prequel, other than the first level in Giants, and it's just one big continuous timeline, with some having larger gaps of time between eachother

Each game is it's own universe. However some of you are taking this way to seriously.

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Each game is it's own universe. However some of you are taking this way to seriously.

Where did you get that idea?

First, I was referring to each persons copy of the game. (Not each game in the series). Second, I was joking.

I see them more as a possible alt universe thingy. We have our skylanders world that is all alone and then we have one that has the ability to cross over to other realities. So ya canon to like timeline 2 but not 1 sort of thing.

Skylands is a connection point for the Multiverse otherwise it wouldn't explain how Bowser and Donkey Kong got sucked there.
Technically Spyro, Cynder, Dino-Rang, Enigma and other Skylanders also come from different "dimensions" too but one could argue they are still part of the Skylands' universe somehow.

Never questioned the timeline except for the villains.
Now that we know many of them are playable I'm just waiting for a short explanation on how they broke free from their prison; we already know it's possible so... Come on V.V.

I completely understand if some of you couldn't care less about the lore or the world surrounding the games but some do care about that and would really love if they could get some definitive explanations.
Nothing would change for the ones who still ignore those aspects but the people who are interested and intrigued by those aspects would be really happy.

It's exactly like some of you still consider certain Skylanders to be male or female even if they have already been confirmed to be of the opposite sex.

Cynder doesn't, unless it's just a "you never asked" thing she and Malefor were rewritten to be from Skylands already.

But you have the right mind on the rest, Drek. Yeah it's a kids' game, but if they decided to give a story and an entire world that's mostly consistent instead of just going the Mario way, it's there to be enjoyed. If you're just there to mash the buttons,fine, but if you like fantasy or saturday morning cartoon-like shenanigans, you miiight be missing out.

Good Eon I keep forgetting about Cynder... X/
My brain automatically make me write her name down each time I think about Spyro's origins...

Yeah, that's the point.
No one is better or right because of how he likes to enjoy the series.
Families who just gather together to share some hours of fun, grown up adults with child's hearts, hardcore players in constant search for challenges, collectors who want to own every single figure or people who are fascinated by what surrounds the games and want to know more.

No one is right and no one is wrong.
But all those things can and should coexist so that one day a player which only cared about reaching the last level might get interested in knowing how Skylands came to be.

As the OP demonstrates with the snark at the bottom of the topic post, this is nothing more then a Straw-man, which funny enough he may very well be wrong on anyway.

Ah, it's good to see the next generation participate in the same twisted tactics that have been behind almost every major political shift in the modern world.

Don't agree.

Skylanders has a coherent and definite lore whether one chooses to ignore or follow it.

Everything which improves or expand it is welcomed but everything else which goes against it should at least get some explanation.

Either way this doesn't affect the players who simply want to enjoy an hack and slash fantasy game but may influence the ones who are interested in what surrounds the series' universe.

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Don't agree.

Skylanders has a coherent and definite lore whether one chooses to ignore or follow it.

Everything which improves or expand it is welcomed but everything else which goes against it should at least get some explanation.

Either way this doesn't affect the players who simply want to enjoy an hack and slash fantasy game but may influence the ones who are interested in what surrounds the series' universe.

If you are responding to me, your post isn't talking about anything I'm talking about. My post was all about the original post being a cheap tactic to tell people to shut up who didn't agree with him (I know that is the "mean" way of putting it, but that's effectively what was done). It was sideline commentary and not addressing anything you thought I might have been referring to that you've posted.

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Don't agree.

Skylanders has a coherent and definite lore whether one chooses to ignore or follow it.

Everything which improves or expand it is welcomed but everything else which goes against it should at least get some explanation.

Either way this doesn't affect the players who simply want to enjoy an hack and slash fantasy game but may influence the ones who are interested in what surrounds the series' universe.

If you are responding to me, your post isn't talking about anything I'm talking about. My post was all about the original post being a cheap tactic to tell people to shut up who didn't agree with him (I know that is the "mean" way of putting it, but that's effectively what was done). It was sideline commentary and not addressing anything you thought I might have been referring to that you've posted.

Sorry then, must have misunderstood you.
The fact is I just learned what "straw-man" means in that context (even if I already knew something similar existed) so I might have took what you said the wrong way.

But I don't think that was what Adam tried to say.
He simply wanted to try and define objectively how both Skymiibos were implemented inside the game (since apparently devs thought saying "they were called for help" was enought to justify their introduction).

I know the last line might have been a bit too much but I and Adam already discussed about Skymiibos' compatibility in the past and I can tell you he's definitely an open minded person.
He was just exaggerating those kinds of complaints a bit.