darkSpyro

no stop please

this is going to be derailed

theres a difference between feminism and (most of) tumblr

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I fully support the original concept of feminism being for equality among all genders. However, it has turned into something horrible that I honestly have grown to hate most people who follow it. Most feminists these days don't push for equality but rather seem to stand for "Men are scum, women are superior, world better ****ing recognize." These followers are just a bunch of annoying *****es.

Had the unfortunate pleasure of dealing with one once on another site when the topic came up saying Feminism would be able to abolish gender-specific terms such as "he" or "she" from the English language. Naturally, I tried to go against that with some modern feminist calling me idiotic scum or something like that. I simply replied saying fine, if she preferred I could just call everyone an "it" but had an idea of how that would go. Got her to shut up after that.

The concept of Feminism is fine..

..But when it comes to girls being told that all cis-gender white men should die? Or by saying that men can't be raped, because they enjoy it, even if they didn't? That's going way to far.

Honestly, they should either take their feminism and shove it, or move down east to people who really need it.

Just saying.

Most of the feminists these days are complete ****ing idiots.

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Most of the feminists these days are complete ****ing idiots.

I agree.

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Most of the feminists these days are complete ****ing idiots.

*coughbriannawucough*

Many people would sooner call the tumblr people that brand themselves as feminists "extremists" or "misandrists" (I just use the blanket SJW term honestly) than feminists. There are rational modern feminists out there. It's unfortunate though that the radical ones are given a megaphone.

That said I prefer that we all just be egalitarians so it's clear that we want equality for all.

the concept of feminism is just fine, and i support it. the problem is that we have so many men who have it wrapped in their heads that feminism is anti-men, and a lot of women today who claim to be feminist ARE anti-men. We need more feminists like Emma Watson, not more like Anita Sarkeesian.

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theres a difference between feminism and (most of) tumblr

words to live by

In this topic, men discuss feminism.

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In this topic, men discuss feminism.

racist

I don't like abusing people and I don't wish to join those who do.

Quote this if you agree.

Well, "Feminism" is a good idea and all, and I completely agree with it.~

Though like everyone says, now, "Feminism" is just an excuse for some ****ing stupid thing for some one to do,
Everyone promoting it are idiots, and I have yet to see some one in modern day that actually is promoting feminism for what it should be, for equality for everyone~

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In this topic, men discuss feminism.

Are you suggesting that men should not?

Not at all.

But men should understand that they cannot easily understand the struggles of a woman.

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the concept of feminism is just fine, and i support it. the problem is that we have so many men who have it wrapped in their heads that feminism is anti-men, and a lot of women today who claim to be feminist ARE anti-men. We need more feminists like Emma Watson, not more like Anita Sarkeesian.

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theres a difference between feminism and (most of) tumblr

words to live by

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I support actual feminism, as I believe everyone should be equal. (this also includes people of different races, sexualities, religions/beliefs, etc)

However, I do not support these people going around claiming do be "feminist", yet constantly degrading men and acting as if women are superior and all men should "die".

Those people are not feminist, they are nothing but Misandries who give actual feminism a bad name.

Exactly. Extremist feminists. Just like muslims, a group takes something too far, and sets a bad stereotype for the rest of the group.

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Quote: Sesshomaru75

I support actual feminism, as I believe everyone should be equal. (this also includes people of different races, sexualities, religions/beliefs, etc)

However, I do not support these people going around claiming do be "feminist", yet constantly degrading men and acting as if women are superior and all men should "die".

Those people are not feminist, they are nothing but Misandries who give actual feminism a bad name.

Exactly. Extremist feminists. Just like muslims, a group takes something too far, and sets a bad stereotype for the rest of the group.

This.

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Not at all.

But men should understand that they cannot easily understand the struggles of a woman.

Maybe so. Still, everyone in this topic seem to be in an agreement; both male and female.

Sure. But no one has really said much of substance. It breaks down to "There are good feminists and bad feminists. I don't like the bad ones."

That's not very profound.

"There are good _____ and bad _____. I don't like the bad ones."

As many of you guys do, i support feminism. The one thing stopping it is that a majority of people think that all feminist are like "Men suck, women are better" etc. It's a real shame too. They do deserve equal rights.

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I support actual feminism, as I believe everyone should be equal. (this also includes people of different races, sexualities, religions/beliefs, etc)

However, I do not support these people going around claiming to be "feminist", yet constantly degrading men and acting as if women are superior and all men should "die".

Those people are not feminist, they are nothing but Misandries who give actual feminist a bad name.

Thank you.

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Quote: Sesshomaru75

I support actual feminism, as I believe everyone should be equal. (this also includes people of different races, sexualities, religions/beliefs, etc)

However, I do not support these people going around claiming to be "feminist", yet constantly degrading men and acting as if women are superior and all men should "die".

Those people are not feminist, they are nothing but Misandries who give actual feminist a bad name.

Thank you.

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Sure. But no one has really said much of substance. It breaks down to "There are good feminists and bad feminists. I don't like the bad ones."

That's not very profound.

"There are good _____ and bad _____. I don't like the bad ones."

So you don't feel that the users here (the male users in specific) have enough insight on the matter to add anything worthwhile to the discussion?

Sadly, that is the case. We rarely have any serious debates here. People often like to share their opinions on various subjects but there's not much going on beside that.

You could always add your thoughts, however.

As much as I like serious debates, this is stuff and nonsense.

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Sure. But no one has really said much of substance. It breaks down to "There are good feminists and bad feminists. I don't like the bad ones."

That's not very profound.

"There are good _____ and bad _____. I don't like the bad ones."

So you don't feel that the users here (the male users in specific) have enough insight on the matter to add anything worthwhile to the discussion?

Sadly, that is the case. We rarely have any serious debates here. People often like to share their opinions on various subjects but there's not much going on beside that.

You could always add your thoughts, however.

As much as I like serious debates, this is stuff and nonsense.

That doesn't mean serious things cannot happen here.

S&N has had serious debates in the past and is capable of having them again. It's just that many of them either get derailed or have people practically begging for it not to be one.

Not to mention in many cases, the majority of users are in agreement on the issue at hand either way, with the handful of people disagreeing being outnumbered and often talked over.

I'd like to see debates happen again. Mrmorrises in particular has been a great person to debate with in the past.

i think at the moment it's mass produced and ineffective for anything more than a prideful circle-jerk to make women feel more "in control" as opposed to trying to achieve actual equality, such as fixing the wage gap and potentially harmful stereotypes.

how many times in history must it happen for people to finally get the message: you're not going to achieve equality for a represented minority by starting a full out war with what you consider to be your oppressor.

marriage equality isnt being achieved because government leaders were replaced with gay government leaders, it's being achieved through showing the government leaders are being convinced (or coerced by voters) that it's the best thing to do. similar logic can be applied to practically every struggle social group struggle in history.

and that's without me even starting on how males have disadvantages of their own that need to be focused on as well

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I support actual feminism, as I believe everyone should be equal. (this also includes people of different races, sexualities, religions/beliefs, etc)

However, I do not support these people going around claiming to be "feminist", yet constantly degrading men and acting as if women are superior and all men should "die".

Those people are not feminist, they are nothing but Misandries who give actual feminist a bad name.

THIS

I support equal rights to both man and woman, since I hate degrading towards both genders (I also support woman being equal to men, but this is no longer an issue so I don't bother). so I would say that I'm a feminist. However going so far as to downright be a man hater is not a feminist at all.

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Most of the feminists these days are complete ****ing idiots.

I agree.

like yeah you want men and women equal i can agree with that but there acting like......

Can someone link me to an example of a "feminist" who is A.) Actually taken seriously by any significant amount of people and B.) have said something close to "all men should die"?

I do not, but random person on tumbler isn't someone I feel is taken seriously by any significant amount of people. Feel free to provide an actual example though.

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weeeeeelp.

A.) That's not feminism, that's man bashing.
B.) I don't think there are many 13-16 year olds that are really taken all that seriously.

Westboro Baptist Church members stand out holding signs that say "God Hates ***s" believing themselves to be Christians.

By even giving these people (WBC or the "feminists") any amount of attention, you're not only strengthening their cause, but you're also wasting your own time because they really don't care what you think about them.

Instead of spending energy hating on ignorant people who are too stupid to change, why not focus your energy on what good you can do?

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I'm amazed that this topic has not derailed yet.

It will