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Also some of his mod choices were questionable and lead to the idea that he chose them at random because he didn't want to do it at all (it took him 8 years to do it, after all).

Because he's a piece of **** and doesn't give a crap about his userbase.

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Because he's a piece of **** and doesn't give a crap about his userbase.

I want to see you run this site. Geez dont overreact...


Anyways, I think Unclebob is kinda right, but I can see the other statements as well.

A.) Some administrators take a more "hands-off" approach towards moderating the forum. That's not a good or bad thing (so long as they're consistent, I'd say) - it's just a difference in style.

B.) No one is being told/forced to leave. It's just common sense. Why stay somewhere that makes you so gosh-darned unhappy?

C.) Your friends (if they are your friends) will make an effort to keep in contact with you no matter where you go. One of the very first internet forums I was on (many, many years ago... doing some quick math... would have been in 1996 when I joined... yes, that's older than some members of this forum... 18 years ago) - the forum has since closed down (the company that ran the forum closed it and went Facebook/Twitter only) - yet I still have a few members from that forum on my Facebook (which, mind you, didn't launch until 2004 - 8 years after I started hanging out on this forum... I didn't join Facebook until several years later) that I talk with often. My wife and I have talked about taking a vacation in the city where one of them lives and hanging out with her some (and my wife doesn't even know her). Your friends are your friends, no matter what forum you call home.

C. While I understand where you come from here, not everybody has other ways to speak to friends. Not everybody has Skype, or Kik, or whatever other forms of communication there are. For some, dS is their only form of contact with these friends.

The more you respond to that one guy the more it's going to derail.

When I say "Why do you stay on the forum", it is almost generally in the context of "if you hate it so much?"

I swear it's like seeing a woman in an abusive relationship... everyone knows she should just leave the guy that does so much harm to her, but she has a million excuses why she stays... and they're all that - excuses.

I don't want *anyone* to leave... but I don't want *anyone* to stay here if they're so unhappy. That's just cruel.

Don't insist on that, Trix. If Bob doesn't care about something, no one should,that includes a better forum.

Well if he revolves around himself like that, then shouldn't he take his own advice?

He has to understand that everyone thinks a lot differently and have different reactions to things. We're not a heard of sheep.

Well, looking at the things I summed up, yes, Dark looks like a "newspaper Boy" instead of a "Comunication boy."

I can see it now

It's Dark's forum. It means you cannot *force* change. He has to accept it.

From the way a handful of you talk, you have so much contempt and disgust for Dark that any reasonable person would believe that you have no belief that he is accepting of change or willing to change. Some folks are still harping on things that occured *years* ago. If you have so much anger towards dark - why waste your energy just to surround yourself with something that just makes you feel so negative? Instead of constantly tearing down dark52, darkSpyro.net, and so many of the other users here - why not surround yourself with something you *do* like and try to build something of your own?

Trix - if you want to show that you're a leader instead of a follower (sheep), why don't you try leading something productive? Something that isn't built upon the foundation of tearing others down? Here, let me give you a suggestion - and it is something tied to building a "better forum" - why don't yourself and a few other do something suggested in this very thread - revamp the rules. I know, I know... it's crazy... but stick with me here. Y'all can do research on the rules as they exist, rules that other successful forums use and rules that other users here have suggested. Then, combine all that together and come up with a clean, bullet pointed list of how y'all think the rules should read that you can then present to dark and the community.

Before you engage into this plan though, I must as that you understand a few points:

A.) It's dark's forum. He gets to decide which, if any, parts of your rule suggestions he wishes to implement.
B.) It's dark's forum That didn't change from the last time I posted it.
C.) Expect folks to disagree. It doesn't mean they're a troll or they're out to get you - it just means "everyone thinks a lot differently." Compromise is the key.
D.) It's still dark's forum.

When you and Co. finish up your proposed rules, you can present them to him - respectfully (and that doesn't include calling him names - I know that part will be hard for *many* folks in this thread) and ask (not demand) his consideration. If he declines (in whole or in part), understand that it doesn't make him "lazy" or "worthless". And always remember part D above.

I understand it's Dark's forum, but he should at least try to take care of some user issues so people can recommend the site so Dark has a reason to keep the site.

But I'm pretty sure it would result in Dark probably not caring.

The what makes him "lazy" is the fact that he didn't seem to care who the mods were on the first mod application,

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I understand it's Dark's forum, but he should at least try to take care of some user issues so people can recommend the site so Dark has a reason to keep the site.

It seems to me that if dark didn't already have a reason to keep the site running, he would have closed it by now. I mean, gosh - all folks do is attack him and call him names - I'm really not sure why he keeps the site up and running at this point.

Besides, if dark is as lazy and worthless as some try and make him out to be, he probably doesn't want you recommending this forum to others. Sounds like he'd have to do *more* work...

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But I'm pretty sure it would result in Dark probably not caring.

Never assume.

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The what makes him "lazy" is the fact that he didn't seem to care who the mods were on the first mod application,

Going back to the "dark closing the site thing..." - I can totally understand why dark doesn't bother trying to interact with some folks around here. They throw a fit for mods. dark agrees. People start complaining about mods before he even makes the selections official. Then, when they become official, everyone flies off the handle because they don't agree with the choices. It's a no-win for dark.

It's not like dark52's lackluster admin ability ruins the site for anybody. It bothers us a lot, yes, and some people have left because of it. But there's something about this community, all those users put in one place, that I haven't found anywhere else. And I know for a fact that there's no way these people will bother to move to another forum just because of the admin. The admin doesn't define the whole forum.

I'll just say this though. Dark does have his moments where I believe he could be a great admin. Sometimes he takes action. Sometimes he listens. In moments like those, I truly do believe that he could be a wonderful admin. But he's not active enough. He doesn't talk enough. If he didn't seem to try so hard at being a mysterious man or something like that where everything he does has to be very disconnected from us*, he would be wonderful.

A more active admin who we can tell is listening and taking action would be wonderful. But that's not what dark is. I understand that he can't waste every precious second on this site. But if that's the case, why not get another admin? Especially with how limited the moderators' powers are. He's proven that he can make other users admins before (he made someone from curse an admin when he switched servers), so why not? If he's too busy to do the full job, it would be WAY better to get somebody else to share the responsibilities of being the admin. What's the point of being the only one if you're so inactive?

*I understand that he does have to do this to an extent. But not at the extent that he is doing it. At this point he's become nothing more than a robot who mutters out Skylanders news and makes polls, and maybe updates a few things here and there. Sometimes he even does take action.

I'll just say this to finish off: Recently two moderators decided it would be for the best to resign. It took about a month after their resignation letter for dark to finally demote them even though they'd long stopped moderating. In addition, both seemed to want to bring new mods to the team, people that THEY as moderators thought would be good for the position. But when they were demoted, nobody replaced them. I'm seriously worried about the admin we have if he not only takes that long to take action, but is also clearly very reluctant to give another mod application a chance even though there have been serious concerns about moderators in the past (I once privately messaged him my concerns about a moderator providing evidence of times they broke the rules. I got no response).

There's nothing wrong with wanting better for this site. Harping on the flaws doesn't help and makes the experience of the site worse for you. But ignoring them? That's arguably worse.

Allie-pookie, speaking out against someone is completely different that trash-talking and degrading them across the site, over and over again. There's a world of difference between "I disagree with the way X is handled" and "dark is lazy because he doesn't do things X-way."

It's like when someone disagrees with you and your default stance is to stand back and yell "Troll!", hoping that others will come and swarm beside you for protection instead of actually finding an adult way to communicate the actual point you're trying to make.

Allie-pookie, speaking out against someone is completely different that trash-talking and degrading them across the site, over and over again. There's a world of difference between "I disagree with the way X is handled" and "dark is lazy because he doesn't do things X-way."

It's like when someone disagrees with you and your default stance is to stand back and yell "Troll!", hoping that others will come and swarm beside you for protection instead of actually finding an adult way to communicate the actual point you're trying to make.

He doesn't talk enough.

There's nothing wrong with wanting better for this site.

Harping on the flaws doesn't help and makes the experience of the site worse for you.

But ignoring them? That's arguably worse.

And this assumption is coming from the same guy who is like the Justin Beiber fangirl of the forum: blindly defending a lazy admin on whatever decision he makes and kissing up to him like a rabid fanboy to a female celebrity.

Um...You do realize that is not what Aura actually does right?

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And this assumption is coming from the same guy who is like the Justin Beiber fangirl of the forum: blindly defending a lazy admin on whatever decision he makes and kissing up to him like a rabid fanboy to a female celebrity.

Funny - I can point out where I've said I disagree with dark. And, again, you're attacking the person by throwing out insults. Good job?

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Um...You do realize that is not what Aura actually does right?

Um... yeah... I'd bet I could easily pull up five posts from her in the past month where she calls one user or another a troll. It gets down to petty name calling instead of useful discourse.

Then why go and make wild assumptions when you obviously don't know the full story of my worst time on here back in 2012?

[...]users actually came up to her guest book messaged her (pm and gb) with harassments.

I think pointing out that they harassed her to mods was rather reasonable.

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Then why go and make wild assumptions when you obviously don't know the full story of my worst time on here back in 2012?

#FirstWorldProblems

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[...]users actually came up to her guest book messaged her (pm and gb) with harassments.

Block feature. Granted, I'd rather it be a full ignore feature, but it would stop folks from repeatedly sending you harassing PMs and GB posts.

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I think pointing out that they harassed her to mods was rather reasonable.

Report it and move on. Isn't that what Bionicle said to do?

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Then why go and make wild assumptions when you obviously don't know the full story of my worst time on here back in 2012?

#FirstWorldProblems

Mean people said mean things about you on the internet. #FirstWorldProblems.

I guess that's kind of like you and Trix following me from topic to topic, calling me names and trying to bait me into a fight, over and over now?

Mean people said mean things about you on the internet. #FirstWorldProblems.

I guess that's kind of like you and Trix following me from topic to topic, calling me names and trying to bait me into a fight, over and over now?

One topic, is enough to make you assume that me and Trix are following you? Wow, you must be very paranoid, Bobby.

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One topic, is enough to make you assume that me and Trix are following you? Wow, you must be very paranoid, Bobby.

How about three topics? Considering I've only posted in about five topics the past few days, it sure seems like you two are following me around.

What do you mean?

But think of it this way: Ignoring the flaws and not even pointing them out to Dark doesn't even give him the potential to act. At least when they're pointed out Dark is aware and he could take action. But if he doesn't know about something that's going on, how can he fix it? This doesn't just go for faults in the moderation and even in his own admining ability; it goes for the site as a whole. If the admin doesn't know about something wrong, he can't fix it.

How about three topics?

Actually I was seeing what random tales were in the Wal mart topic.

I just also wanted to point out that I don't see the "Big deal" was on the PJ part. Heck I didn't even call you a name in that topic either.