darkSpyro

I'm both Canadian and American (1/4 american) But I'm also stupid and don't understand what the petition is fully about.

Yeah, 'cause I'm sure the government will use the money for something much more important...
/sarcasm

*cough*Obama will use that money to go on another vacation.*cough*

I didn't dismiss the idea, because what I said was mostly sarcasm. But it's true... Obama and his family literally spend millions upon millions every year on vacations alone, so I wouldn't doubt that some of that money really would go towards that.

Perhaps... if the money is used for the right reasons.

There are church that earn a lot of money but still have trouble holding themself up. One of the church I used to go to only used money for themself when they got donations for themselves. Everything else went into missions and aid for the community. Many church are like this and it would be terrible if they collapse because they loose more money because of how hard of a time they had holding themselves up before.

I'm all for being treated equally but what if this ruins the chances of more people believing about equality?

I prefer it being use on aiding humanity than it being used on materials. Even if the materials are to "defend" humanity.

So we're going to let the good ones that do help people out loose what they have because of the ones that do scams? I really wish this could stop being a norm. Noticing the bad more than the good.

I know what the petition wants. But I don't want Churches that are having trouble loose their place because of this. Like I said, I've been to those that are good and have the trouble of having enough money to keep their place. Having more to pay could really finish their place and their plans for going on Missions and stuff they planned to do for their community. I have only been to one church that was selfish and wanted money. Other than that one, I have not been to any others that want to benefit themselves only. It's always about others, not them. Meaning that while you may have the idea of many of them being scams, there are many more that aren't. They just don't get much attention because they don't look for it. This could make many of those that do use their money for the best of others, not be able to provide the service they did as before. Also meaning that you would meet more religious people with the wrong idea of religion because of those Churches that do worry and want the money for themselves, will be the ones standing.

What I mean in that last part is that the good Churches I have been to has always been about treating others with love, respect, and fairness. Lets suppose that the ones that don't really worry about their money(The good type of Church) start loosing their temples. People looking for something to believe in would look for a Church to guide them. But most of the ones standing are those that were scams. Meaning that they would learn what the Scam Church teach them. Possibly leading to more bad religious people being created and not learning about what love, respect, and fairness is. Leading to even more people being selfish. How does this relate to the petition? You wouldn't have as much support on things like fairness. NOW! I'm not saying that this it the only way to learn about fairness or equality or all that. You can learn it anywhere and see the good in it even when you're not in a good Church. But Churches do add a good amount of kindness and respect to our world by teaching people about it. Like 35% percent of the world learns it or is remembered how important it is through Church. Not much but it's something.
What I'm trying to say, is that you could get more people to treat everyone fairly if you let more of the good churches stick. Because if they fall, people will look at the bad ones, which will teach selfishness(My experience was in that bad church I mentioned earlier. Many of the people there started to behave more rude like as more time we spent there).

Like I said, missions and community. They go around giving them what they need. Medicine, food, clothing, etc. Things to help them get along life. In this case we're talking about necessities materials. You gave examples of weapons before, so when I said materials before, I meant weapons.
I think is wonderful to get other organizations do that and I'm aware of them. But from what I have noticed, there are more Churches that are actually loyal to their program than others services. There's always those good organizations that hardly get attention, I'm aware.
But like I said, many Churches don't go around asking for a medal on success for what they have accomplish in this sort of stuff. Many don't even advertise. So I can understand why one would think that Churches are full of scam. Because the ones that are get more attention than the ones that aren't.

I'm sensing that you're letting those bad Churches cause a big impact on your ideals of what a church does. I can promise you that there are many that do good and aren't selfish with their money. That the money is being put into good use. The thing is that not being selfish cause them to have trouble keeping their temple up and running. So I'm very worried that something like this will be what brings them down. Leaving nearly more churches that are selfish with their money than the ones that aren't. And leaving people without knowledge of the Lord.

Oh, I got that. Like I said, it was just something I was feeling from you. Was hoping you would clarify it completely, in which you did. But the wording(Or at least, I read it that way) makes it seems as if there's more scamming than the other good kind, which I don't believe.

Yes, I do understand that. Like every organization, there's the good and the bad.

I'm imagining worst case scenario. In my end.
I'm aware that the chance of it happening are low, but it's not something I would like to risk.
And no, it's just personal experience. I'm basing this on persona experience and what I've been told. I just don't want these personal experience to end. I also want more people to be in the right place at the right time.

I did stated that I'm aware that there are organizations that help out. Non Religious. And I'm glad that people take time to do so. Like every other organization, there's the good and bad.
Not everyone goes to school. Difference from good and evil are then taught by the parent, if they're around. But! They may have the wrong idea of good and evil. Someone from the outside would have to teach what is humane and what is not. In which case some sort of organization would have to come in. If one is busy with the other, then there's no problem because there's more available. BASICALLY! My whole scare is seeing those churches that do good loose their tools to do good because they barely can hold themselves up before some law like this. And as someone that is religious, I want people to learn about religion and question it.

Now that last part I did not know and it does relieve me knowing that it'll be something where they can afford, if what you said would become true. However, I still have the fear that those church to do good won't be able to stay aground and do what they hope. I'd also like to point out, though it's not something which is too important to this discussion, that I'm not worried about the people that already understand religion, since they quickly get back up.

Like I said, I've seen good churches that have trouble due to not having the money to hold themselves up since most of the money goes to missions. I don't want there to be only non-religious aid because I also want people to learn about religion.

And I apologize if I'm causing confusion. I'm trying my hardest to word out my thoughts but I can't get them out quite right. Like I don't know the words. So somethings may sound mixed up or make you go "But you just said this!". Meaning that I'm leaving out incompletes because of the lack of English. I really am thinking. Mostly going "What was that word?".

Did you follow the link in my original post?
I didn't dismiss the idea because I didn't know what I was talking about...

For example, let's say they use it all to construct fighter jets, or hire more people to the public sector, anything really; it's still 7.1 billion going to the economy through paychecks and material costs.

Let's take the high road here and agree to disagree, shall we?