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Read this... tis a good anti-Cynder rant:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/41..._Wrath_of_Chaos

This yours? Bored much?
[Didn't bother continuing by 2nd paragraph.]

No... it's not mine. T_T

I don't know about that; seemed like the decline began in the 90s judging from my observations and studies.

Quote: BlackDragonAJ89

A lot of video game characters out there have obsessive fans in which those fans claim them to be sex icons and what not. Examples are:

Captain Falcon
Lara Croft
Wolf O'Donnell (yes, big fatass moronic idiot Wolf)
Krystal
Peach
Daisy
Rosealina
Luigi
Naked Snake
Solid Snake
Samus
Midna (You know what I mean here)
Lucario
Gardevoir
Sephiroth (sp?)

So yeah, there are weird fans out there. Personally though, I do not find a teen character sexy because she is under age and it would make me look like a big nasty pedophile. Therefore, DotD Cynder is not sexy in my standards. Dark Cynder from ANB is applicable though, because she is an adult.

WHAT THE HECK NO WAY I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.

Who wants to make a bet with the fandom that with the spyro growing thing it won't be soon till we see Mini spyro babies running around in TLOS

Quote: BlackDragonAJ89

A lot of video game characters out there have obsessive fans in which those fans claim them to be sex icons and what not. Examples are:

Captain Falcon
Lara Croft
Wolf O'Donnell (yes, big fatass moronic idiot Wolf)
Krystal
Peach
Daisy
Rosealina
Luigi
Naked Snake
Solid Snake
Samus
Midna (You know what I mean here)
Lucario
Gardevoir
Sephiroth (sp?)

So yeah, there are weird fans out there. Personally though, I do not find a teen character sexy because she is under age and it would make me look like a big nasty pedophile. Therefore, DotD Cynder is not sexy in my standards. Dark Cynder from ANB is applicable though, because she is an adult.

WHAT THE HECK NO WAY I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.

Who wants to make a bet with the fandom that with the spyro growing thing it won't be soon till we see Mini spyro babies running around in TLOs

It's already happened, sort of.

at first I liked Cynder in the first game because she is the only GIRL in the game!But then I found out about her past and I knew who she really is, then I liked her even more! So now Spyro and Cynder r married...but what really puzzles me is that if Cynder and Spyro were in the same egg cluster at the beginning, that means that they r brother and sister...so how can they b married?Maybe they will have a baby called Spyndro!

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at first I liked Cynder in the first game because she is the only GIRL in the game!But then I found out about her past and I knew who she really is, then I liked her even more! So now Spyro and Cynder r married...but what really puzzles me is that if Cynder and Spyro were in the same egg cluster at the beginning, that means that they r brother and sister...so how can they b married?Maybe they will have a baby called Spyndro!

There not brother and sister and there not married... There was an error in the GBA version of ANB (I think) where it said that they were brother and sister but there not meant to be...

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at first I liked Cynder in the first game because she is the only GIRL in the game!But then I found out about her past and I knew who she really is, then I liked her even more! So now Spyro and Cynder r married...but what really puzzles me is that if Cynder and Spyro were in the same egg cluster at the beginning, that means that they r brother and sister...so how can they b married?Maybe they will have a baby called Spyndro!

yeah what bio said...
Why does this always happen?

Quote: HIR

Read this... tis a good anti-Cynder rant:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/41..._Wrath_of_Chaos

The author seems a little too angry and I know why.

Maybe because some fans keep bothering him by saying how DotD Cynder is sexy.

I bug people saying Dark Cynder is sexy...

Quote: Aura24

Maybe because some fans keep bothering him by saying how DotD Cynder is sexy.

You could be correct on that.

Quote: bionicle2809

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at first I liked Cynder in the first game because she is the only GIRL in the game!But then I found out about her past and I knew who she really is, then I liked her even more! So now Spyro and Cynder r married...but what really puzzles me is that if Cynder and Spyro were in the same egg cluster at the beginning, that means that they r brother and sister...so how can they b married?Maybe they will have a baby called Spyndro!

There not brother and sister and there not married... There was an error in the GBA version of ANB (I think) where it said that they were brother and sister but there not meant to be...

Just shows how Screwed the company was.

One day at the Spyro:Ten GBA company...

"GOOD JOB GUYS WE SOLD A MILLIONS COMMPIES LLOLOLOLOLO" said bob Suddenly Serria bursted in the room and went "WTF SPYRO AND CYNDER ARE RELATED YOU Fu^&*^&*TARDS YOU CHANGED OUR STORY...YOU DON'T FIGHT THE ELDERS IN TEN,SPYRO AND CYNDER ARE NOT SIBLINGS...YOU EVEN ADDED A DIFFERENT ELEMENT wtf???????"

tHEN EVERYONE WAS QUIETBob then did a somersuit (suit ) in the air and went ZOMBIE GOATS

Serria then said that they were cheaply out of all RETARDENESS make cynder and spyro a fandom shipping so the sales would go THROUGH THE ROOF.

Then bob was faceplamed in the HEAD AND SAD FACE

Hey. TEN GBA was actually 1,000 times better than the console version. SO QUIT YER YAPPIN'!

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Quote: Aura24

Maybe because some fans keep bothering him by saying how DotD Cynder is sexy.

You are correct on that.

Well it doesn't exactly come as a shocker there. Cynder was awesome in ANB as a villain then went to the other end of the spectrum by turning into a damsel in distress in TEN. Should've made her an anti-hero.

I am afraid that I may have repeated a post. *Slams head into a wall*

Nobody's going to kill you...

Quote: BlackDragonAJ89

Nobody's going to kill you...

I AM! *Loads gun*

tango....

Aww...fine....*Puts gun away*

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Quote: C1nder

at first I liked Cynder in the first game because she is the only GIRL in the game!But then I found out about her past and I knew who she really is, then I liked her even more! So now Spyro and Cynder r married...but what really puzzles me is that if Cynder and Spyro were in the same egg cluster at the beginning, that means that they r brother and sister...so how can they b married?Maybe they will have a baby called Spyndro!

There not brother and sister and there not married... There was an error in the GBA version of ANB (I think) where it said that they were brother and sister but there not meant to be...

Just shows how Screwed the company was.

One day at the Spyro:Ten GBA company...

"GOOD JOB GUYS WE SOLD A MILLIONS COMMPIES LLOLOLOLOLO" said bob Suddenly Serria bursted in the room and went "WTF SPYRO AND CYNDER ARE RELATED YOU Fu^&*^&*TARDS YOU CHANGED OUR STORY...YOU DON'T FIGHT THE ELDERS IN TEN,SPYRO AND CYNDER ARE NOT SIBLINGS...YOU EVEN ADDED A DIFFERENT ELEMENT wtf???????"

tHEN EVERYONE WAS QUIETBob then did a somersuit (suit ) in the air and went ZOMBIE GOATS

Serria then said that they were cheaply out of all RETARDENESS make cynder and spyro a fandom shipping so the sales would go THROUGH THE ROOF.

Then bob was faceplamed in the HEAD AND SAD FACE

They added different elements?... I didn't know that

I think the reason why people say that "Cynder is sexy" is because she is the only female in the whole game. IMO, if TLOS had more female characters, they won't be drooling over Cynder (or maybe that could increase the number of Spyro pornography?)
And like the person from fanfiction wrote, DotD's Cynder looks like she has breasts, especially if they personify her. But let's face it, everywhere we go, there are always crazy fans who fall in love with characters, even if they aren't human (ex: the Pokemon Lopunny, how many times people from Gamefaqs forums started calling it sexy -.-)
Of course, if Cynder had that same personality as Ember, there might not be many crazy fans >:D
So that's my stupid mini rant. ._.

People say Cynder is sexy because she's designed to be sexy. Heck, Sparx said it in ANB. She's got big hips and, in DotD, a big chest. She's curvy and sinuous, which is all some people need.

I will say this. I travel in many less reputable circles. When ANB/TEN came out there were perhaps five pieces of adult Cynder art. As soon as the designs were revealed for DotD, the amount of Cynder erotica went through the roof. Much of it is drawn by people who don't play and don't like the games but they saw Cynder's tarted up DotD model and decided to do some erotica of her, or they were asked by legions of Cyntards (the number of which also increased tenfold when her new design was revealed).

WRONG.

Ember fans are Quite civil, But they keep going at it like rabbits going at the electric fence 100 times

WRONG.

Ember fans are Quite civil, But they keep going at it like rabbits going at the electric fence 100 times

They get shocked and they don't care.

Who in the heck says Lopunny is sexy?? Gardevoir beats the bunny by a long stretch... and so does Lucario and Jynx.

But seriously everyone, this is just getting stupid; they're just video game characters; they do nothing, mean nothing, and represent nothing. They are just a mix of pixels, code, and voice and sound samples. Hell, the could replace Cynder with a fox, a human, or a freaking building and I could care less. The world's too big to worry about changes in a petty little video game.

How did Ember fans factor into this? I'll have to say that two of the most obnoxious people I've met in all of Spyro fandom were diehard Ember fanatics, though. So, no, being an Ember fan doesn't make you civil, either.

Everyone makes this argument that "they're just cartoons!" but the people who make that statement seem to not realize the impact that cartoons have on us. We are constantly surrounded by them in our formative years and that does lead to psychological impact.

But I don't even have to go that far to explain to y'all why people are attracted to cartoons and game characters. All I have to do is say a single name: Jessica Rabbit.

If the world's too big to care about video games, why are you posting on a specific video-game discussion forum, frequently, in a thread that you claim doesn't concern you, BlackDragonAJ? Seems a bit contradictory to me.

Quote: BlackDragonAJ89

But seriously everyone, this is just getting stupid; they're just video game characters; they do nothing, mean nothing, and represent nothing. They are just a mix of pixels, code, and voice and sound samples.

Then you've obviously never played a game that really got to you. My top three favorite games...I'm seriously attached to them, and when people died in each of those games, I felt depressed and even cried.
So, go find a game that you can actually get attached to, then re-think your statement. Razz is right, video games, cartoons, and all that stuff can have pretty large impacts on people.

Quote: Razz

People say Cynder is sexy because she's designed to be sexy. Heck, Sparx said it in ANB. She's got big hips and, in DotD, a big chest. She's curvy and sinuous, which is all some people need.

I will say this. I travel in many less reputable circles. When ANB/TEN came out there were perhaps five pieces of adult Cynder art. As soon as the designs were revealed for DotD, the amount of Cynder erotica went through the roof. Much of it is drawn by people who don't play and don't like the games but they saw Cynder's tarted up DotD model and decided to do some erotica of her, or they were asked by legions of Cyntards (the number of which also increased tenfold when her new design was revealed).

Well, I hate to be the news breaker to you, but that information isn't accurate at all. You see, I just googled Cynder and turned all safe-search settings off on the computer. and after loading 6 different pages still found no Cynder Erotica. So, I'm going to have to disagree with you. I will admit that I like the was she looks better in DoTD, and enough yes, I would push calling her sexy. But then again, I've been working with Dragons for a while in doing Graphic works, (photoshoping) I've also Studied Mythological Dragons for about 14 years, so I've seen a broad Spectrum of images for a dragon, and she is definitely in the top ten of best looking.

I wish people would just drop this aspect though. Yeah she looks good, but it's the type of character she is, and her history. I've said it before, people have the ability to change their ways, and nobody critisizes them for it, in fact most are all for it, especially it it was a bad person who turned good. But That's apparently illegal in Gaming as everyone hits all characters like that as a Mary Sue. High power villan to a High-power good guy. there's a saying in justice, "The best cops are the worst Criminals, and Vice-versa."

That's all this is. Cynder was a Criminal at first then turned good. But everyone doesn't like that.

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Then you've obviously never played a game that really got to you. My top three favorite games...I'm seriously attached to them, and when people died in each of those games, I felt depressed and even cried.
So, go find a game that you can actually get attached to, then re-think your statement. Razz is right, video games, cartoons, and all that stuff can have pretty large impacts on people.

(Razz)

Everyone makes this argument that "they're just cartoons!" but the people who make that statement seem to not realize the impact that cartoons have on us. We are constantly surrounded by them in our formative years and that does lead to psychological impact.

But I don't even have to go that far to explain to y'all why people are attracted to cartoons and game characters. All I have to do is say a single name: Jessica Rabbit.

If the world's too big to care about video games, why are you posting on a specific video-game discussion forum, frequently, in a thread that you claim doesn't concern you, BlackDragonAJ? Seems a bit contradictory to me.

Probably because the only real game I ever found any "connections" with was Sim City. That's a game without characters, plot, and character elements. I didn't have to care for one whiny bratty kid hero or just one female adventurer, I had to build cities that housed thousands of faceless citizens, in which even when there was no crime on the streets and education was top notch and the health care was extraordinaire, the city just kept going, where people would both die and be born all the time. Never felt any power from building and ruining cities, nor did I feel like I made an accomplishment or created anything artistic despite all the patterns I planted the cities in; they just were a bunch of pixels, codecs, and data loops, not real cities.

I just am one of those people who can't see the connections between the media and myself. Heck, even my own creations I see them as just being scratches on paper or pixels or just well tuned noise to make musically correct sounds.

I managed to graduate high school with a 3.8 average and I never watched any of the preschool cartoons or Seasme Street. I managed to grow up without being bored although I never really had any of the latest games (I grew up with a Commodore 64 for a while actually). However, I think the best thing for me was my parents; real, actual people to be there to talk too, even if they aren't the best, that's what counts. (Which is all the real reason why I cam here; to be able to have some kind of conversation with actual human beings through a computer to have discussions that others here wouldn't know to talk about).

As for people who never take cartoons seriously, can you blame them? Just look at the garbage of the last 20 years; it's all about toilet humor and pop-culture-for-tweens stupidity that annoys anyone over 30, in which not all 30 year old people into stupid humor. Most of these people want some "dark" elements in a work, you know, like romance, realistic life problems, culture, and serious life and death situations. Name me one decent cartoon that provides that without being either a Dead Baby Comedy or a laugh-track fest and I might be a little nicer on the subject.

Elazar: Googling Cynder Spyro or something of the sort will net you the nasty stuff. And your argument doesn't invalidate mine in the least. Of course it wouldn't be easy to find the naughty stuff using Google, which searches things based on popularity. Since this fandom is comprised of mostly younger people, the popular images will be the safe ones that they can see with all the blocks their parents set up in place. Like I said, if you had been in the less reputable circles, you would have noticed the massive jump from "no Cynder smut" to "so much smut that even her fans are getting sick of seeing her everywhere"/"Cynder is the new Midna/Krystal/Princess Sally, etc".

I personally see nothing wrong with people being attracted to fictional characters, regardless of their species. Human beings like new and novel things. As long as no one is getting hurt in all this, it doesn't really matter what people like.

It's not that Cynder went from bad to good that makes people dislike her. She had a lot of following in TEN, too. I can't speak for everyone, but it was mostly her voice, sudden bad attitude, and jarring personality change in DotD that made me like her less.

As for wishing that people would stop fantasizing about her, I'm afraid that's a lost cause. She was designed to appeal and she does appeal. Older fans are going to do with that as they wish.

BlackDragonAJ: You definitely got lucky in your upbringing, but you are, alas, a minority in the modern world. Most of us were raised by working parents who hired babysitters who plugged us into the TV all day.

The show you are looking for is Disney's "Gargoyles". You might also enjoy "Avtar: the Last Airbender". But steer clear of the fandoms; they will destroy everything. And if you haven't seen "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" I recommend it highly.

Most kids don't want to watch dark action and romance. They want mice running around hitting cats with frying pans.

Quote: Cloudtail4ever

Most kids don't want to watch dark action and romance. They want mice running around hitting cats with frying pans.

And what about the adults? For some people, that isn't funny or entertaining anymore.

Cynder never was SEXY omg...Just nicely created. If only every creature had as much details it would rock.

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Who in the heck says Lopunny is sexy?? Gardevoir beats the bunny by a long stretch... and so does Lucario and Jynx.

Before D/P Pokemon had their English name, Gamefaqs nicknamed Lopunny uhh...

Plus if you look on Deviantart, there are some Lopunny art that shows it looking hot.
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Quote: Razz

As soon as the designs were revealed for DotD, the amount of Cynder erotica went through the roof. Much of it is drawn by people who don't play and don't like the games but they saw Cynder's tarted up DotD model and decided to do some erotica of her, or they were asked by legions of Cyntards

True...I have seen so much Cynder porn after DotD...
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Quote: Cloudtail4ever

Most kids don't want to watch dark action and romance. They want mice running around hitting cats with frying pans.

And what about the adults? For some people, that isn't funny or entertaining anymore.

Some adults still love to watch cartoons like that. It's because they grow up with that. 30 years from now, I could watch Dexter's Laboratory and still love it, while the children would like to watch something more of their time, I guess.

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Some adults still love to watch cartoons like that. It's because they grow up with that. 30 years from now, I could watch Dexter's Laboratory and still love it, while the children would like to watch something more of their time, I guess.

Like Family Guy.

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Quote: Glass Gryphon

Some adults still love to watch cartoons like that. It's because they grow up with that. 30 years from now, I could watch Dexter's Laboratory and still love it, while the children would like to watch something more of their time, I guess.

Like Family Guy.

Yeah, I just find them tasteless. The rude humor, over fried animation, and the constant portrayal of bumbling dads and trophy wife mothers (or constantly using controversial jokes or poking fun of pop culture) gets old after a while. Why can't they try to be like Disney or Bluth, and actually make something that isn't saturated for once?

"Us adults only have a 6 minute attention span."~Bugs Bunny

I think they should bring back some of the old comedy stylings. "The New Red Green Show" keeps some of the spirit.

Three stooges, Red skelton, I'm really not sure what to be referencing here.

But even back then, They reffered to their Pop culture. It's quite literally history being recorded. I even recently heard a 'Geritol' joke.

Cartoons are a part of our history like it or not, And why should video game characters be treated any different? They are in an animated world too.

Back to what I was saying before. Why can't Spyro and Cynder be reffered to like Babs and Buster Bunny. (No relation) I mean like they're portrayed as pals, Not as BF/GF. But then again I don't read too much Fanfic.

Well, what they could do is save the mush for whenever Spyro and Cynder are alone from others, and then have them remain as butt kicking duo when in other situations.

The trick to good romance in a story is to not make it a heavy burden on the characters, plus it needs to be incredibly flexible.

As for the humor, there's nothing wrong with the "old stuff" like the whole "hello nurse" scheme (which goes all the way back to Vaudeville believe it or not) and things like that, but it's often the audience. Most kids I've met want to see things that are beyond normal realms and often to be gross and something that would make most adults go "is this where we have come too?"

I don't mind pop culture references, but come on, there's more than just the President, or just one specific pop star, that you can mess with. What ever happened to ensembles getting picked on?

Now that I think of it, the Mother series provides some good mixes of humor and seriousness without boring you to death (and provides some hidden parental bonuses as well CoUgHBluesBrothersistheRunawayFivecOuGh).

^I fget if the feeling if they do include a Shipping as canon sparx is going to start the Sitiing in a tree K Etc etc

The 'Hello Nurse' Bit originated from the Looney Tunes. They wanted main characters that would be the Looney Tunes for the new age. So they needed a catch phrase.

So "What's up Doc?"~Bugs Bunny, was then taken apart and changed. What's up is an inroduction, Thus Hello. And Doc, Well the next in line was Nurse. Put it together. "Hello Nurse!"~The Warners.

Now that origionated back to the beginning of WB animation.
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But I really think they need to cut the romance. That will kill alot of the obsured fanfic. A slight flirt at the end left a 'bitter taste in the mouth' if you will. It's not exactically the last image you want in your mind.

I say cut the romance not only for the sake of fanfics (Yes, I went and looked...but didn't read anything obscure, descriptions were bad enough), but also for the sake of the game. The romance seems rather suddenly shoved in your face at the end, even though it was pretty obvious, with this culture and all, that there would be a love interest. I just don't like the fact that nearly every game on the market now has a love interest (except for most shooters). I mean, romance works for some games, but it really kills others, such as DotD. Not that the game wasn't already dead prior.

I think that it just sends the wrong message to the wrong age group.

Quote: JAK

The 'Hello Nurse' Bit originated from the Looney Tunes. They wanted main characters that would be the Looney Tunes for the new age. So they needed a catch phrase.

Nope, Vaudeville did it first. Read here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HelloNurse, the animaniacs just named the trope, that's all. It's older than you think.

Now as for the romance, you can keep it in. I'm pretty sure the company isn't that stupid, and besides, it's going to happen sooner or later. Of course, Don Bluth would be a good example of how you can make a romance situation work in a rather goofy setting.

Well I'm going off the special features in the Animaniacs Season packs.

It's alright though; pretty much most of the Looney Toons were based on Vaudeville acts and humor of the silent movies of earlier (which is nothing wrong here; it was ideal for the animated scene, plus, nobody could get hurt doing it in a cartoon).

Everything is based off somthing. But Looney Tunes did reflect alot of the culture.

Cynder wasn't supposed to be a sexy, awkward dragon in the first place, until EL designed her to look like one. She wasn't even suppose to have a sudden change of attitude.

Here's one prime example of a fan who constantly chats about DotD Cynder in this spam topic, and have nothing better to do than just talk about her body.

http://www.spyroforum.com/topi...pam-thread.html

It's sad really.

*sees topic*

^ Um... is that called 'Head-Imaginary-Wall', HIR? (Sorry, I thought the image was funny)

@Aura24
This is another reason why I might plan on writing DotD my own way. ' Also Spyro and Cynder are NOT teens in the fic... I just hope I don't have any...well, fanbrats heading my way.

I loved Krome Studios big-headed cutie Cynder! Even though at times she was... a "DID", she still stood up for herself! And that's what I liked about her.

I loved TEN Cynder too, at least her attitude didn't suddenly change and she still felt bad about what she did while under Malefor's influence. DotD Cynder didn't show any signs of this, instead she suddenly became sassy and showed no signs of the lingering guilt she had from TEN.