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I apologize if this is not the right place to put this, but I wish to hear the forum's members' honest to God opinions on AI. I feel like I am going crazy and I may be, as the kids say, crashing out. In a sense, this is solace that I am not as crazy as I feel. Anyway,

I used to despise every aspect of AI. I am of the opinion that technology makes people lazy, and people will eventually become "brain dead" due to not using their brains as much as they should and relying solely on tech. I am an aspiring artist, so I also learned to hate AI art. I saw no good use for anything AI.

However, I recently heard my best friend's take on AI. To her, it is a tool. It helps with simple tasks, such as making a list. It can provide assistance. It can give you ideas. It can provide criticism much like a friend can. I considered her thoughts, and I realized I agree. I then asked my brother, who said much of the same thing. You can use it to promote something or get help expressing your ideas, but you should not monetize it.

Along with my friend's and brother's opinions, I have also come across the AI [mis]adventures of DougDoug and Vedal (and Neuro-sama). How Doug and Vedal use AI is incredible, and I found myself disliking myself for liking their AI stuff when I [was] so against it.

So, because of some silly streamers and my best friend and my brother, I have come to tolerate AI. I am okay with people communicating ideas with AI and potentially coming up with something new. As long as it is not monetary and as long as an "artist" claims a generated picture is something they made themselves, I am okay with it. Basically, I agree with my brother and best friend, and I am chill with what Vedal and Doug do.

NOW. THE MAIN REASON WHY THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN ON MY MIND FOR MONTHS.
It turned into a wild rant, so, um, progress with caution, I suppose.



So, what are your guys' opinions on AI? Are my parents correct and I need to change my perspective? Are there other uses of AI that could change one's perspective?

I would love to discuss this with more adults--the only people I talk to are too immature (much like myself) to really get it, or are so for it they do not understand why it affects other fields. And, um, I feel the need to say to please be respectful, since this topic can get rather heated...

This topic idea has just been in my head for months now, and I sincerely feel very close to snapping if I do not talk about it somewhere, ahaha...

tbh i don't really care about ai in general. It's helpful for getting prediciting stuff and automation in the workforce. For example, AI can be used for video editing, making more tedious jobs easier and less time consuming or helping out with code (it also makes people worse at coding because of this). It's also pretty prominent at my job rn wtih people using it to make scripts for projects lol.

Not really a fun of it being used to replicate art because it steals from people to make lifeless pictures. I like how Adobe approaches this by using their stock image collection to train their models. I really despise AI made content online that exists just to make money, like youtube channels with garbage scripts being used to make genuine slop. Because if you're making content just for the sake of money, is it really your content?

I think ai should be more regulated with how it's trained and with ethical uses. For example, your data is being sold rn to insurance companies, using it to calculate how likely you are going to die and adjusting it's prices. Data privacy is something I believe is just needed in general but people lowkey kinda stopped caring about that ever since TikTok was taken down for like a day.


There's also the possibility of the American super AI model and Chinese super AI model combining together to create one super AI model that kills all of humanity with a single microvirus.

I used to also despise it but I'm neutral nowadays. I recently tried it for webdev to give it a fair shot, HTML/CSS are babies first programming languages so it's pretty good for that, however it still does make mistakes and I assume that if you don't have basic knowledge already it would be frustrating to wrangle. It's pretty useful for prototyping and automating simple stuff, there's things I've done 5804254 times before that I'll gladly let the AI handle. After properly trying it I also don't really have many worries about it job wise, people keep saying its a tool and I have to agree with that, the people who will get the most out of it are people who have prior experience but aren't super 1337, basically just average people who can now work at a higher level.

Art wise I don't really have anything to add that hasn't been said or will be. It's a bit garbo. I've tried it in an art workflow for the sake of it and didn't really find it useful, until we get like Detroit Become Human style robot race riots I will probably ignore all AI art stuff. That said it's annoying how much sloppa is everywhere on Google images and other places, I wish it would get filtered. I find AI music the most egregious though, I hate overly clean sounding music and AI excels at that. I do wonder though if AI creative stuff would have a better rep if people would use it in the tool way instead of having something be 100% generated.

Regarding the spoiler part that sounds awful, it sounds like they've fallen for the get rich quick scheme techbro stuff. As a certified movie slop enthusiast I wouldn't worry too much though, even before AI people were trying stuff like that it just needed slightly more effort. The things you can find on Tubi or Amazon Prime Video are worse than you can ever imagine.

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However, I recently heard my best friend's take on AI. To her, it is a tool. It helps with simple tasks, such as making a list. It can provide assistance. It can give you ideas. It can provide criticism much like a friend can. I considered her thoughts, and I realized I agree. I then asked my brother, who said much of the same thing. You can use it to promote something or get help expressing your ideas, but you should not monetize it.

I can also just use my brain, whiteboard and an actual friend for that.

I'm like horribly against it so I won't bore anyone with the details. It's nothing like algorithmic research or procedural generation which actually helps in many areas. LLMs are just garbo trying to replace humans with clones of CEOs, and then they have to hire humans again anyway because it can't sustain the chain of thought theft without more thoughts. Pointless, useless, less than useless with all the water and electricity it uses, in fact.

Just saw someone call AI "digital asbestos" and I just have to bring that up here. It's an easier solution that corrodes and messes up everything around it, in name of thinking less about things.

AI is here to stay been saying this since it first kicked up so i just got used to honest didnt use any until this last week my life is better now it is so useful if you know how to use it right. research. studies. flirting strategies.

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However, I recently heard my best friend's take on AI. To her, it is a tool. It helps with simple tasks, such as making a list. It can provide assistance. It can give you ideas. It can provide criticism much like a friend can. I considered her thoughts, and I realized I agree. I then asked my brother, who said much of the same thing. You can use it to promote something or get help expressing your ideas, but you should not monetize it.

I can also just use my brain, whiteboard and an actual friend for that.

I'm like horribly against it so I won't bore anyone with the details. It's nothing like algorithmic research or procedural generation which actually helps in many areas. LLMs are just garbo trying to replace humans with clones of CEOs, and then they have to hire humans again anyway because it can't sustain the chain of thought theft without more thoughts. Pointless, useless, less than useless with all the water and electricity it uses, in fact.

Just saw someone call AI "digital asbestos" and I just have to bring that up here. It's an easier solution that corrodes and messes up everything around it, in name of thinking less about things.

imma be honest. i always thought the energy consumption argument is cherry picking. Cause technology in general uses a lot of power. And I know you people love to game or spend time online for hours a day.

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imma be honest. i always thought the energy consumption argument is cherry picking. Cause technology in general uses a lot of power. And I know you people love to game or spend time online for hours a day.

huge difference between using it for entertainment made by other human beings vs. useless steal machine that makes you worse at doing your own thinking.

There is still no such thing as "true AI". But I think that how the "AI" is currently, its usage is at is best when organizing already gathrered data but nothing more. We can reach true AI when we learn everything there is to be known about human brain and apply it technologically but that is still just a fever nightmare of a mad men seeking corporate profits.

So use the current "AI" only to organize information you have already gathered and analyzed but don't trust it to do anything else. It is unbelievably stupid and lacks of wisdom.

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imma be honest. i always thought the energy consumption argument is cherry picking. Cause technology in general uses a lot of power. And I know you people love to game or spend time online for hours a day.

I recall there were reports that big corpos were buying unused nuclear power plants for AI, I do think strats like that are the way to go as countries keep on closing them despite them still being a superior source of energy. Even without AI, I do think bringing nuclear plants back is a positive thing. However I do believe water usage is a big problem with AI, this is an issue in many other industries as well and I don't believe there is a good solution yet. I hope this will improve as the tech improves and becomes more efficient?.

I do think an interesting thing that hasn't been brought up yet in this thread is the mental health effects of AI. Like that one CEO that's suffered severe mental health issues exacerbated by AI, or AI waifu stuff like Grok's new anime thing. We are in a loneliness epidemic and more people are depending on AI as a friend or partner. I do wonder what the repercussions of that will be.

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There is still no such thing as "true AI". But I think that how the "AI" is currently, its usage is at is best when organizing already gathrered data but nothing more. We can reach true AI when we learn everything there is to be known about human brain and apply it technologically but that is still just a fever nightmare of a mad men seeking corporate profits.

So use the current "AI" only to organize information you have already gathered and analyzed but don't trust it to do anything else. It is unbelievably stupid and lacks of wisdom.

But AI is a cool scifi word and brings numbers, and most importantly, brings public ignorance. Hell, people are saying that pathing AI on games is actually an early example and the same thing as LLMs, which is just... unbelievably stupid.

And it's by design. Call the stupid theft machine smart and futuristic, and suddenly it feels a lot better than it actually is.

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imma be honest. i always thought the energy consumption argument is cherry picking. Cause technology in general uses a lot of power. And I know you people love to game or spend time online for hours a day.

I recall there were reports that big corpos were buying unused nuclear power plants for AI, I do think strats like that are the way to go as countries keep on closing them despite them still being a superior source of energy. Even without AI, I do think bringing nuclear plants back is a positive thing. However I do believe water usage is a big problem with AI, this is an issue in many other industries as well and I don't believe there is a good solution yet. I hope this will improve as the tech improves and becomes more efficient?.

I do think an interesting thing that hasn't been brought up yet in this thread is the mental health effects of AI. Like that one CEO that's suffered severe mental health issues exacerbated by AI, or AI waifu stuff like Grok's new anime thing. We are in a loneliness epidemic and more people are depending on AI as a friend or partner. I do wonder what the repercussions of that will be.

There's also the chance of quantum computing in the near future, helping out with the energy and water consumption issue. Again, I just don't think energy consumption is the core issue with AI. It's just the byproduct of the overconsumption of resources. Like street lights for example are always on and destroy bird patterns. Same thing with using Google, watching TV, driving, etc. Like you said with nuclear energy, there are easier solutions to solving the energy consumption problem compared to stuff like agriculture or shopping. This may be a bit conspiratorial, but I believe the energy consumption argument point is an astrotruf used to distract us from other huge energy consumptions.

Yeah, the mental effects of AI being used as a therapist/talking buddy is a pretty intresting issue. I think the estimate is like 10% of American adults use chargpt for this stuff. Eventually, people will just use AI for basic day to day decisions and I'm very interested in how this will end. For example, my job recently allowed Copilot to be used, and the training was "how to use copilot efficiently" which taught us the best way to make queries to get the results that we wanted. I also had a training recently about public speaking, and we had to make a PowerPoint about anything. My team used Copilot to create a presentation, and at that point it just feels kinda lame? Like you're being paid to use ai for this?

When making this topic, I forgot to add another stance on AI. I do not like how inhuman it is, if that makes sense. I am a very creative person, and I can tell a budding artist (whether it be either writing or drawing) when I see one. I can tell how much passion someone has for a project that they make. Part of why art is...art...is due to the soul in the pieces. The emotion. The story. The INTENT. Does AI have any of that, and therefore, can AI art (in any sense of the word) really be considered an art?

Until Detroit Become Human happens, of course. I would love to see Karkus improving his skillset in real life, lol!

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tbh i don't really care about ai in general. It's helpful for getting prediciting stuff and automation in the workforce. For example, AI can be used for video editing, making more tedious jobs easier and less time consuming or helping out with code (it also makes people worse at coding because of this). It's also pretty prominent at my job rn wtih people using it to make scripts for projects lol.

Question about the bold: does that not take the soul out of video editing? Unless you mean more professional videos used for big companies... When I think of video editing, I think of fun YouTube Videos or the fun educational YouTube videos, like the channel run by the Green brothers. Unless it is technical use only, I do not think I can buy AI being used to edit videos, lol. (The edits are part of the fun--but here is where my immature mindset kicks in. I am only almost twenty; I do not think about AI in the grander scheme, ahaha.)


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However, I recently heard my best friend's take on AI. To her, it is a tool. It helps with simple tasks, such as making a list. It can provide assistance. It can give you ideas. It can provide criticism much like a friend can. I considered her thoughts, and I realized I agree. I then asked my brother, who said much of the same thing. You can use it to promote something or get help expressing your ideas, but you should not monetize it.

I can also just use my brain, whiteboard and an actual friend for that.

I'm like horribly against it so I won't bore anyone with the details. It's nothing like algorithmic research or procedural generation which actually helps in many areas. LLMs are just garbo trying to replace humans with clones of CEOs, and then they have to hire humans again anyway because it can't sustain the chain of thought theft without more thoughts. Pointless, useless, less than useless with all the water and electricity it uses, in fact.

Just saw someone call AI "digital asbestos" and I just have to bring that up here. It's an easier solution that corrodes and messes up everything around it, in name of thinking less about things.

I used to have the exact same mindset as you, so I know what you mean. Trust me, I do. However, what if you have no friends, or do not have the people readily available that can properly give criticism? For instance, I am a budding story developer. I do not like sharing my ideas until they are fully fleshed out, and rarely do so. And, if I did want to, I have nobody to turn to. My friend used to want to be a writer, but she is too lazy for that now. My close family are the AI kind, my brother and sister are too busy, and my boyfriend hates reading. And, if I were to ask advice from them, they would just glaze my works since they have no idea what they are talking about otherwise.

Where else could I turn than AI? (I am also very cynical and believe that if I trust the wrong people they will steal my ideas, so going to other people on another site is not in the cards for me right now, lol.)

I do want to ask more in depth about your opinions, though. I do not believe anyone here would be bored of them. I genuinely want to hear your thoughts and takes. No pressure, though--as stated, this topic can get pretty heated if not properly handled, ahaha...

I agree with your last statement, though. The fact that it messes things up while simultaneously making it easier for us to disengage our brains is infuriating. There is a reason why kids are the way they are now, lol...

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AI is here to stay been saying this since it first kicked up so i just got used to honest didnt use any until this last week my life is better now it is so useful if you know how to use it right. research. studies. flirting strategies.

Question about the bold: How does something inhuman give you such human advice? How could AI give you better flirting strategies than a written blog post dedicated to such a thing? I cannot imagine AI out performing a human when it comes to such a delicate human emotion, you know?

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imma be honest. i always thought the energy consumption argument is cherry picking. Cause technology in general uses a lot of power. And I know you people love to game or spend time online for hours a day.

I recall there were reports that big corpos were buying unused nuclear power plants for AI, I do think strats like that are the way to go as countries keep on closing them despite them still being a superior source of energy. Even without AI, I do think bringing nuclear plants back is a positive thing. However I do believe water usage is a big problem with AI, this is an issue in many other industries as well and I don't believe there is a good solution yet. I hope this will improve as the tech improves and becomes more efficient?.

I do think an interesting thing that hasn't been brought up yet in this thread is the mental health effects of AI. Like that one CEO that's suffered severe mental health issues exacerbated by AI, or AI waifu stuff like Grok's new anime thing. We are in a loneliness epidemic and more people are depending on AI as a friend or partner. I do wonder what the repercussions of that will be.

The mental health thing also extends to people with psychosis and paranoia with the whole "Is AI alive?" thing some people get when they get a weird response or a ""self-aware"" comment from a bot. I know of course ai isn't alive and is just regurgitating info that gets thrown at it but it would mess with my psychosis so badly if I ever interacted with it and were to be off my meds.

Oh my goodness, this reminds me. I have an acquaintance who is hooked on character.ai, and they genuinely thought they were talking to their anime husband. They believe they were the other half of the ship, and reading their perspective made me really sad. I understand how talking to a chatbot can be fun, but if it feeds into someone's mental health like that... It just does not seem right, ahaha...

(from my understanding they stopped using character ai thank goodness but for a few straight months their obsession with their fictional husband really concerned me;;; )

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Question about the bold: does that not take the soul out of video editing? Unless you mean more professional videos used for big companies... When I think of video editing, I think of fun YouTube Videos or the fun educational YouTube videos, like the channel run by the Green brothers. Unless it is technical use only, I do not think I can buy AI being used to edit videos, lol. (The edits are part of the fun--but here is where my immature mindset kicks in. I am only almost twenty; I do not think about AI in the grander scheme, ahaha.)

It's like auto transcribing and deleting awkward pauses. It's not really soulless cause it never had a soul as it's just really mundane editing tasks.

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I used to have the exact same mindset as you, so I know what you mean. Trust me, I do. However, what if you have no friends, or do not have the people readily available that can properly give criticism? For instance, I am a budding story developer. I do not like sharing my ideas until they are fully fleshed out, and rarely do so. And, if I did want to, I have nobody to turn to. My friend used to want to be a writer, but she is too lazy for that now. My close family are the AI kind, my brother and sister are too busy, and my boyfriend hates reading. And, if I were to ask advice from them, they would just glaze my works since they have no idea what they are talking about otherwise.

Where else could I turn than AI? (I am also very cynical and believe that if I trust the wrong people they will steal my ideas, so going to other people on another site is not in the cards for me right now, lol.)

I do want to ask more in depth about your opinions, though. I do not believe anyone here would be bored of them. I genuinely want to hear your thoughts and takes. No pressure, though--as stated, this topic can get pretty heated if not properly handled, ahaha...

I agree with your last statement, though. The fact that it messes things up while simultaneously making it easier for us to disengage our brains is infuriating. There is a reason why kids are the way they are now, lol...

I can answer with another question: 3 years ago, we had no such thing as AI. What did you do then? Therapy? Workshops? Enter communities? Some other way to make friends? Pay someone for beta reading (there are plenty of places with those services for cheap)? There are even sites that have verification systems to prevent such theft, though usually, stories about that are overblown and most people stealing others' works are parasite friends which have tons of other issues, or, well, AI bros.

What did people did 10 years ago, 20, 50? These are issues we've had since the start of time, but people act like these are modern ills.
Why did getting AI suddenly make these other solutions nonexistent?

That's why the asbestos comparison is so good. There are so many ways to prevent fires, cheapen construction, etc. without getting the convenient cancer thread. But asbestos is so much easier to a company whose leaders will never touch the stuff; who cares if their workers die early if they have record profits?
We've had centuries of communication, so many ways to solve our issues, cheapen costs etc. without opening the convenient theft machine. But AI is so much easier to a company whose leaders don't have work to be stolen; who cares if they can put 200 people out of a job and turn the rest into addicts that can't think for themselves, if they have record profits?

Those leaders have vested interest in saying it's inevitable, it's the future, you should just shut up and use it because it'll be essential to your life eventually.
The same was said about asbestos.

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imma be honest. i always thought the energy consumption argument is cherry picking. Cause technology in general uses a lot of power. And I know you people love to game or spend time online for hours a day.

I recall there were reports that big corpos were buying unused nuclear power plants for AI, I do think strats like that are the way to go as countries keep on closing them despite them still being a superior source of energy. Even without AI, I do think bringing nuclear plants back is a positive thing. However I do believe water usage is a big problem with AI, this is an issue in many other industries as well and I don't believe there is a good solution yet. I hope this will improve as the tech improves and becomes more efficient?.

I do think an interesting thing that hasn't been brought up yet in this thread is the mental health effects of AI. Like that one CEO that's suffered severe mental health issues exacerbated by AI, or AI waifu stuff like Grok's new anime thing. We are in a loneliness epidemic and more people are depending on AI as a friend or partner. I do wonder what the repercussions of that will be.

The mental health thing also extends to people with psychosis and paranoia with the whole "Is AI alive?" thing some people get when they get a weird response or a ""self-aware"" comment from a bot. I know of course ai isn't alive and is just regurgitating info that gets thrown at it but it would mess with my psychosis so badly if I ever interacted with it and were to be off my meds.

It's honestly a really bad idea to use ChatGPT for therapy because it always answers to please the asker. Like if you ever tell ChatGPT an issue it will always say something like "You're a better person for realizing what you did was wrong".

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Question about the bold: does that not take the soul out of video editing? Unless you mean more professional videos used for big companies... When I think of video editing, I think of fun YouTube Videos or the fun educational YouTube videos, like the channel run by the Green brothers. Unless it is technical use only, I do not think I can buy AI being used to edit videos, lol. (The edits are part of the fun--but here is where my immature mindset kicks in. I am only almost twenty; I do not think about AI in the grander scheme, ahaha.)

It's like auto transcribing and deleting awkward pauses. It's not really soulless cause it never had a soul as it's just really mundane editing tasks.

Oh, I see. Thank you for explaining! I can see how that is useful.

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I used to have the exact same mindset as you, so I know what you mean. Trust me, I do. However, what if you have no friends, or do not have the people readily available that can properly give criticism? For instance, I am a budding story developer. I do not like sharing my ideas until they are fully fleshed out, and rarely do so. And, if I did want to, I have nobody to turn to. My friend used to want to be a writer, but she is too lazy for that now. My close family are the AI kind, my brother and sister are too busy, and my boyfriend hates reading. And, if I were to ask advice from them, they would just glaze my works since they have no idea what they are talking about otherwise.

Where else could I turn than AI? (I am also very cynical and believe that if I trust the wrong people they will steal my ideas, so going to other people on another site is not in the cards for me right now, lol.)

I do want to ask more in depth about your opinions, though. I do not believe anyone here would be bored of them. I genuinely want to hear your thoughts and takes. No pressure, though--as stated, this topic can get pretty heated if not properly handled, ahaha...

I agree with your last statement, though. The fact that it messes things up while simultaneously making it easier for us to disengage our brains is infuriating. There is a reason why kids are the way they are now, lol...

I can answer with another question: 3 years ago, we had no such thing as AI. What did you do then? Therapy? Workshops? Enter communities? Some other way to make friends? Pay someone for beta reading (there are plenty of places with those services for cheap)? There are even sites that have verification systems to prevent such theft, though usually, stories about that are overblown and most people stealing others' works are parasite friends which have tons of other issues, or, well, AI bros.

What did people did 10 years ago, 20, 50? These are issues we've had since the start of time, but people act like these are modern ills.
Why did getting AI suddenly make these other solutions nonexistent?

That's why the asbestos comparison is so good. There are so many ways to prevent fires, cheapen construction, etc. without getting the convenient cancer thread. But asbestos is so much easier to a company whose leaders will never touch the stuff; who cares if their workers die early if they have record profits?
We've had centuries of communication, so many ways to solve our issues, cheapen costs etc. without opening the convenient theft machine. But AI is so much easier to a company whose leaders don't have work to be stolen; who cares if they can put 200 people out of a job and turn the rest into addicts that can't think for themselves, if they have record profits?

Those leaders have vested interest in saying it's inevitable, it's the future, you should just shut up and use it because it'll be essential to your life eventually.
The same was said about asbestos.

I did not think of it like that; thank you for sharing that perspective. I have a cynical and pessimistic outlook on people and life in general, and I have bad anxiety, so I did not consider those other options. I guess I was of the perspective of someone who almost literally cannot trust others and is more self-centered. I am aware that people should try to better themselves and attempt to get out of their comfort zone, but I was thinking that those with awful anxiety could use AI at first to get comfortable sharing their ideas.

I have no rebuttal for anything else you said. I am of the same mind in those regards (though I did not know asbestos was a thing--interesting how history seems to be repeating). Once again, thank you for sharing your perspective!

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I did not think of it like that; thank you for sharing that perspective. I have a cynical and pessimistic outlook on people and life in general, and I have bad anxiety, so I did not consider those other options. I guess I was of the perspective of someone who almost literally cannot trust others and is more self-centered. I am aware that people should try to better themselves and attempt to get out of their comfort zone, but I was thinking that those with awful anxiety could use AI at first to get comfortable sharing their ideas.

I have no rebuttal for anything else you said. I am of the same mind in those regards (though I did not know asbestos was a thing--interesting how history seems to be repeating). Once again, thank you for sharing your perspective!

No problem! For the record, I also have bad anxiety, all my current friend groups start and perpetuate online with only the occasional meetup. It is DIFFICULT af to get connections especially after many breakups. But, whenever I get help from them or help back, I feel extremely fulfilled; I can't replace that with a machine no matter how hard it gets.