darkSpyro

Level 9 computers definitely seem easier than they were in Smash 4.

It’s clearly Talonflame, who will brave bird everything

Merida from Brave confirmed guys

So those leaks from 5chan are interesting...

seriously though, words cannot describe how much I want them to be true just because of Doom Slayer. If we got him I'd never request another fighter again (well, maybe Crash...)

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So those leaks from 5chan are interesting...

seriously though, words cannot describe how much I want them to be true just because of Doom Slayer. If we got him I'd never request another fighter again (well, maybe Crash...)

Link plz

through pm

I highly doubt Steve and Doomguy would ever get in, Steve is just... well, Minecraft was a trend that's come and gone and as for Doomguy does he even have an official name? I've never heard of him having one and as far as I know he's just a blank slate made to represent the player character, whilst I know PKMN Trainer could be seen as this too, Doomguy in particular seems too generic. Then again I know nothing about DOOM so I can't say.
Overall whilst I normally take leaks with at least a little grain of salt it's gonna take a lot more for me to even consider this one. Erdick or whatever that DQ guy was called seems pretty likely though.

Oh? He has a name now? Then perhaps he is possible. I can see how he wouldn't be "too generic" as well, with a franchise as big and popular as DOOM I imagine it got that status for a reason. Maybe not the most possible but far from Shrek levels of absurd.

Steve, however, I still doubt.

So items are a key gameplay mechanic of Smash Bros that have gained an undeservedly negative reputation, such that they are omitted from competitive play entirely for a few reasons. However, proponents of the "items are not competitive" argument often ignore the various benefits that items would bring to competitive play, and that's what I'm here to address. Key points are in bold. Thank me later.

The first and most obvious benefit to items: They allow characters to overcome horrendous matchups. Donkey Kong no longer needs to care if he's being harassed by Pichu when Giratina's got his back, blowing that damned electric mouse to the depths of hell. Jigglypuff laughs at Cloud when Shadow slows time to allow her to get an easy Rest. Without the rebalancing offered by items, these matchups would be incredibly one-sided. Of course, the items could work against the character with the poor matchup, but at least there's a chance of the matchup basically evening out due to item assistance.

"But items are too random!" I hear you cry. And, yes, this is a valid point. See, Smash Bros has never had randomness in it before. There's never been a move that randomly picks a number from 1-9 with 9 having immense killing power. There's never been a move that allows someone to sometimes pick up a bomb or Mr Saturn. There's never been a move that sometimes shoots you horizontally at great speed with huge killing power. Oh wait...

"But they can spawn next to one player which isn't fair!" I hear you cry. And this in fact a point in favor of items, because this means items actually encourage offensive play while discouraging camping. The reason is simple - if you know a game-winning Pokeball could spawn next to your opponent at any time, you're not going to camp at the opposite end of the screen and spam projectiles; you can't take that chance. You have to stay close to them so that they can't get free items.

The next point to bring up is that items would help bridge the competitive and casual communities together. It is no surprise that the competitive and casual crowd are completely divided with a large part of that division being based upon use of items, to such an extent that Smash 4 even had separate game modes for item play and non-item play. Allowing items in tournament setting would only help bridge these divisions of the community together and grow the competitive scene further. I shouldn't even need to explain why that would be good for Smash.

Finally - items are more interesting from a spectator standpoint. This should be self-explanatory. Watching pokeballs flying left right and center while players fight over who gets the three dragoon pieces while assists jump around and throw out hitboxes, is an inherently more interesting and complex situation than a fat plumber simply jumping around and trying to hit an oversized dragon with spaced aerials. And more complexity is good for competitive reasons, and spectator interest is good for growing the competitive scene. It would also develop the meta further, since people would need to learn techniques to prevent their opponents acquiring items whilst maximizing the chance of acquiring it themselves. Similarly to "ledge-trapping", this may result in "item trapping" situations.

So remember, next time you say "Fox only Final Destination no items", consider dropping those last two words from the equation

So items are a key gameplay mechanic of Smash Bros that have gained an undeservedly negative reputation, such that they are omitted from competitive play entirely for a few reasons. However, proponents of the "items are not competitive" argument often ignore the various benefits that items would bring to competitive play, and that's what I'm here to address. Key points are in bold. Thank me later.

The first and most obvious benefit to items: They allow characters to overcome horrendous matchups. Donkey Kong no longer needs to care if he's being harassed by Pichu when Giratina's got his back, blowing that damned electric mouse to the depths of hell. Jigglypuff laughs at Cloud when Shadow slows time to allow her to get an easy Rest. Without the rebalancing offered by items, these matchups would be incredibly one-sided. Of course, the items could work against the character with the poor matchup, but at least there's a chance of the matchup basically evening out due to item assistance.

"But items are too random!" I hear you cry. And, yes, this is a valid point. See, Smash Bros has never had randomness in it before. There's never been a move that randomly picks a number from 1-9 with 9 having immense killing power. There's never been a move that allows someone to sometimes pick up a bomb or Mr Saturn. There's never been a move that sometimes shoots you horizontally at great speed with huge killing power. Oh wait...

"But they can spawn next to one player which isn't fair!" I hear you cry. And this in fact a point in favor of items, because this means items actually encourage offensive play while discouraging camping. The reason is simple - if you know a game-winning Pokeball could spawn next to your opponent at any time, you're not going to camp at the opposite end of the screen and spam projectiles; you can't take that chance. You have to stay close to them so that they can't get free items.

The next point to bring up is that items would help bridge the competitive and casual communities together. It is no surprise that the competitive and casual crowd are completely divided with a large part of that division being based upon use of items, to such an extent that Smash 4 even had separate game modes for item play and non-item play. Allowing items in tournament setting would only help bridge these divisions of the community together and grow the competitive scene further. I shouldn't even need to explain why that would be good for Smash.

Finally - items are more interesting from a spectator standpoint. This should be self-explanatory. Watching pokeballs flying left right and center while players fight over who gets the three dragoon pieces while assists jump around and throw out hitboxes, is an inherently more interesting and complex situation than a fat plumber simply jumping around and trying to hit an oversized dragon with spaced aerials. And more complexity is good for competitive reasons, and spectator interest is good for growing the competitive scene. It would also develop the meta further, since people would need to learn techniques to prevent their opponents acquiring items whilst maximizing the chance of acquiring it themselves. Similarly to "ledge-trapping", this may result in "item trapping" situations.

So remember, next time you say "Fox only Final Destination no items", consider dropping those last two words from the equation

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So items are a key gameplay mechanic of Smash Bros that have gained an undeservedly negative reputation, such that they are omitted from competitive play entirely for a few reasons. However, proponents of the "items are not competitive" argument often ignore the various benefits that items would bring to competitive play, and that's what I'm here to address. Key points are in bold. Thank me later.

The first and most obvious benefit to items: They allow characters to overcome horrendous matchups. Donkey Kong no longer needs to care if he's being harassed by Pichu when Giratina's got his back, blowing that damned electric mouse to the depths of hell. Jigglypuff laughs at Cloud when Shadow slows time to allow her to get an easy Rest. Without the rebalancing offered by items, these matchups would be incredibly one-sided. Of course, the items could work against the character with the poor matchup, but at least there's a chance of the matchup basically evening out due to item assistance.

"But items are too random!" I hear you cry. And, yes, this is a valid point. See, Smash Bros has never had randomness in it before. There's never been a move that randomly picks a number from 1-9 with 9 having immense killing power. There's never been a move that allows someone to sometimes pick up a bomb or Mr Saturn. There's never been a move that sometimes shoots you horizontally at great speed with huge killing power. Oh wait...

"But they can spawn next to one player which isn't fair!" I hear you cry. And this in fact a point in favor of items, because this means items actually encourage offensive play while discouraging camping. The reason is simple - if you know a game-winning Pokeball could spawn next to your opponent at any time, you're not going to camp at the opposite end of the screen and spam projectiles; you can't take that chance. You have to stay close to them so that they can't get free items.

The next point to bring up is that items would help bridge the competitive and casual communities together. It is no surprise that the competitive and casual crowd are completely divided with a large part of that division being based upon use of items, to such an extent that Smash 4 even had separate game modes for item play and non-item play. Allowing items in tournament setting would only help bridge these divisions of the community together and grow the competitive scene further. I shouldn't even need to explain why that would be good for Smash.

Finally - items are more interesting from a spectator standpoint. This should be self-explanatory. Watching pokeballs flying left right and center while players fight over who gets the three dragoon pieces while assists jump around and throw out hitboxes, is an inherently more interesting and complex situation than a fat plumber simply jumping around and trying to hit an oversized dragon with spaced aerials. And more complexity is good for competitive reasons, and spectator interest is good for growing the competitive scene. It would also develop the meta further, since people would need to learn techniques to prevent their opponents acquiring items whilst maximizing the chance of acquiring it themselves. Similarly to "ledge-trapping", this may result in "item trapping" situations.

So remember, next time you say "Fox only Final Destination no items", consider dropping those last two words from the equation

What is this implying? Are you saying items should be used in competitive play? Bruh what does competitive mean. It means winning based purely on skill, not because you get the Smash Ball. Items equals you win because you got the best item. No items means you win because you were the best player. There would be zero point in training, tier lists, meta, and balance patches if items were added to the mix. I don’t play woth items off because i’m an elitist, Inplay with items off because a skill based game is more fun to me than a chaotic item-fest. Not saying this to diss items, because I loved World of Light, just saying that I don’t think your argument makes any sense at all.

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Quote: Drawdler

So items are a key gameplay mechanic of Smash Bros that have gained an undeservedly negative reputation, such that they are omitted from competitive play entirely for a few reasons. However, proponents of the "items are not competitive" argument often ignore the various benefits that items would bring to competitive play, and that's what I'm here to address. Key points are in bold. Thank me later.

The first and most obvious benefit to items: They allow characters to overcome horrendous matchups. Donkey Kong no longer needs to care if he's being harassed by Pichu when Giratina's got his back, blowing that damned electric mouse to the depths of hell. Jigglypuff laughs at Cloud when Shadow slows time to allow her to get an easy Rest. Without the rebalancing offered by items, these matchups would be incredibly one-sided. Of course, the items could work against the character with the poor matchup, but at least there's a chance of the matchup basically evening out due to item assistance.

"But items are too random!" I hear you cry. And, yes, this is a valid point. See, Smash Bros has never had randomness in it before. There's never been a move that randomly picks a number from 1-9 with 9 having immense killing power. There's never been a move that allows someone to sometimes pick up a bomb or Mr Saturn. There's never been a move that sometimes shoots you horizontally at great speed with huge killing power. Oh wait...

"But they can spawn next to one player which isn't fair!" I hear you cry. And this in fact a point in favor of items, because this means items actually encourage offensive play while discouraging camping. The reason is simple - if you know a game-winning Pokeball could spawn next to your opponent at any time, you're not going to camp at the opposite end of the screen and spam projectiles; you can't take that chance. You have to stay close to them so that they can't get free items.

The next point to bring up is that items would help bridge the competitive and casual communities together. It is no surprise that the competitive and casual crowd are completely divided with a large part of that division being based upon use of items, to such an extent that Smash 4 even had separate game modes for item play and non-item play. Allowing items in tournament setting would only help bridge these divisions of the community together and grow the competitive scene further. I shouldn't even need to explain why that would be good for Smash.

Finally - items are more interesting from a spectator standpoint. This should be self-explanatory. Watching pokeballs flying left right and center while players fight over who gets the three dragoon pieces while assists jump around and throw out hitboxes, is an inherently more interesting and complex situation than a fat plumber simply jumping around and trying to hit an oversized dragon with spaced aerials. And more complexity is good for competitive reasons, and spectator interest is good for growing the competitive scene. It would also develop the meta further, since people would need to learn techniques to prevent their opponents acquiring items whilst maximizing the chance of acquiring it themselves. Similarly to "ledge-trapping", this may result in "item trapping" situations.

So remember, next time you say "Fox only Final Destination no items", consider dropping those last two words from the equation

What is this implying? Are you saying items should be used in competitive play? Bruh what does competitive mean. It means winning based purely on skill, not because you get the Smash Ball. Items equals you win because you got the best item. No items means you win because you were the best player. There would be zero point in training, tier lists, meta, and balance patches if items were added to the mix. I don’t play woth items off because i’m an elitist, Inplay with items off because a skill based game is more fun to me than a chaotic item-fest. Not saying this to diss items, because I loved World of Light, just saying that I don’t think your argument makes any sense at all.

What does liking world of light have to do with items exactly?

Not saying your wrong but like, that doesn't really make sense

Totally legit

fake, they would have shown his final smash. everything else is legit though