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There is nothing beautiful or admirable about a public health crisis. Obesity should be fought as actively and passionately as smoking

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I shant because I agree with you.

As someone who is overweight and trying my damn hardest to not be, it really worries me when these people come out saying 'Every size is beautiful' because it is damaging people's health and making them think 'Yeah being unhealthy is fine'. It's especially worrying how this is mainstream too.

I'll say what I said in what was essentially the same topic just a month ago. Let people do what they want with their bodies and lives instead of being dicks just because fat people make you uncomfortable.

ngl i dont know if this is serious or not

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I'll say what I said in what was essentially the same topic just a month ago. Let people do what they want with their bodies and lives instead of being dicks just because fat people make you uncomfortable.

It's not that fat people make me uncomfortable, it's that it's an unhealthy lifestyle that does affect society as a whole for various reasons, most notably the amount of healthcare resources it consumes

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ngl i dont know if this is serious or not

It is

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I'll say what I said in what was essentially the same topic just a month ago. Let people do what they want with their bodies and lives instead of being dicks just because fat people make you uncomfortable.

It's not that fat people make me uncomfortable, it's that it's an unhealthy lifestyle that does affect society as a whole for various reasons, most notably the amount of healthcare resources it consumes

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ngl i dont know if this is serious or not

It is

So, I'm a dick just because I'm phet?

Or am I reading to little into this

Off-topic, but what's with all these serious discussion and debate topics in S&N for? Back in my day, this place was filled with actual Stuff and Nonsense and not important, current affairs.

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Off-topic, but what's with all these serious discussion and debate topics in S&N for? Back in my day, this place was filled with actual Stuff and Nonsense and not important, current affairs.

IDK

Maybe everybody needs something serious after seeing Truth or Dare and Rampage(I haven't seen them, but I've heard they are ridiculous)

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I'll say what I said in what was essentially the same topic just a month ago. Let people do what they want with their bodies and lives instead of being dicks just because fat people make you uncomfortable.

It's not that fat people make me uncomfortable, it's that it's an unhealthy lifestyle that does affect society as a whole for various reasons, most notably the amount of healthcare resources it consumes

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ngl i dont know if this is serious or not

It is

So, I'm a dick just because I'm phet?

Or am I reading to little into this

You're reading too much into it and in the wrong way as well. Being fat doesn't make you a bad person, but we should work on encouraging overweight and obese people to get healthy.


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Off-topic, but what's with all these serious discussion and debate topics in S&N for? Back in my day, this place was filled with actual Stuff and Nonsense and not important, current affairs.

Because I feel like it.

well in that case

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Off-topic, but what's with all these serious discussion and debate topics in S&N for? Back in my day, this place was filled with actual Stuff and Nonsense and not important, current affairs.

Because I feel like it.

You do you boo.

Just let people feel good about themselves man. Like what does it really matter to you that people who aren't healthy are trying not to be miserable every day of their lives.

I see overweight people come into my gym and I'm like wow you go, you're trying to make a change, good for you. It makes me happy to see anyone trying to do good for themselves. But I rarely see them come back, because losing weight is a whole lot harder than keeping it off, and when fat people aren't suddenly not fat anymore other people make them uncomfortable. They make jokes, and they tell them that there existence is unhealthy and wrong and part of an epidemic. People make them uncomfortable to be in their own skin, and so they get beaten down and stop trying. The fat acceptance movement is just about people trying to be okay with who they are currently while they figure out who they want to be, I don't know how anyone could really sit here and try to say that it's a bad thing. There may be a small minority of people who want to convince everyone else that being 600lbs and eating nothing but butter is okay, but I haven't seen anyone like that as the face of the movement.

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Just let people feel good about themselves man. Like what does it really matter to you that people who aren't healthy are trying not to be miserable every day of their lives.

I see overweight people come into my gym and I'm like wow you go, you're trying to make a change, good for you. It makes me happy to see anyone trying to do good for themselves. But I rarely see them come back, because losing weight is a whole lot harder than keeping it off, and when fat people aren't suddenly not fat anymore other people make them uncomfortable. They make jokes, and they tell them that there existence is unhealthy and wrong and part of an epidemic. People make them uncomfortable to be in their own skin, and so they get beaten down and stop trying. The fat acceptance movement is just about people trying to be okay with who they are currently while they figure out who they want to be, I don't know how anyone could really sit here and try to say that it's a bad thing. There may be a small minority of people who want to convince everyone else that being 600lbs and eating nothing but butter is okay, but I haven't seen anyone like that as the face of the movement.

The thing is though 'Fat Acceptance' is just bad. I agree with Body Positivity, since you should strive to feel positive about you and your body, but you should also strive to better you body and health. The main reason I would criticise someone over being overweight is because it is unhealthy, and believe me, I know how unhealthy it is since I saw my dad struggle with his weight for a long time and that has had long term repercussions on him and I also struggle with weight too.

As for people who make people uncomfortable for their weight, they are just ****s and really people should just ignore them.

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Just let people feel good about themselves man. Like what does it really matter to you that people who aren't healthy are trying not to be miserable every day of their lives.

I see overweight people come into my gym and I'm like wow you go, you're trying to make a change, good for you. It makes me happy to see anyone trying to do good for themselves. But I rarely see them come back, because losing weight is a whole lot harder than keeping it off, and when fat people aren't suddenly not fat anymore other people make them uncomfortable. They make jokes, and they tell them that there existence is unhealthy and wrong and part of an epidemic. People make them uncomfortable to be in their own skin, and so they get beaten down and stop trying. The fat acceptance movement is just about people trying to be okay with who they are currently while they figure out who they want to be, I don't know how anyone could really sit here and try to say that it's a bad thing. There may be a small minority of people who want to convince everyone else that being 600lbs and eating nothing but butter is okay, but I haven't seen anyone like that as the face of the movement.

Obesity is an unhealthy epidemic. That is a fact. It is not up for debate.

I feel the same way when I see overweight and obese people in the gym. It's awesome and they've got serious balls. I'm definitely against fat shaming and it's wrong to ridicule people who are trying to better themselves.

The frontrunners of the movement (names like Virgie Tovar come to mind) are essentially trying to deny science and reality, and convince people that it's perfectly fine to be obese, which it is not. The main argument is that weight is solely determined by genetics and people can't control it, which is a complete and total lie (even with medical conditions like PCOS, it's still very possible to control it).

That's why it's a bad thing. Like the flat earthers, but worse because it has tangible consequences.

The key is being healthy, fat, thin, or whatever in-between, it doesn't matter. Everyone's body, metabolism, etc is different and "plus size" is still a thing and that's ok and it's fine to "love your weight" or whatever. The issue is being obese and that's not ok. If you're overweight and it is an issue to your health, then you shouldn't try to spin a positive outlook to a problem rather than avoiding help. Taking care of yourself and being healthy doesn't have to mean "skinny" either. That can be a whole other can of worms and problems. It's all about being healthy for you and what your doctor would define as healthy for you and your circumstances.

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A bit of chub is fine imo but it gets worrying when it's a lot more than that.
You don't have to be a twig to be considered pretty, a lot of people consider themselves fat and ugly when they're not even chubby because of some harmful beauty standards. But if you're so obese that you can barely stand up without starting to pant heavily, then it's no longer a beauty issue and more of a "please take care of your health" issue.

This, pretty much. It's good to not polarize the issue, because it's more gray than "having any amount of body fat is bad" or "you can be healthy at any weight".

Edit: Also what Seiki said

Although I do talk about myself like I'm a fat blob, I feel like it's mostly natural

If that even makes sense

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A bit of chub is fine imo but it gets worrying when it's a lot more than that.
You don't have to be a twig to be considered pretty, a lot of people consider themselves fat and ugly when they're not even chubby because of some harmful beauty standards. But if you're so obese that you can barely stand up without starting to pant heavily, then it's no longer a beauty issue and more of a "please take care of your health" issue.

This, pretty much. It's good to not polarize the issue, because it's more gray than "having any amount of body fat is bad" or "you can be healthy at any weight".

Exactly.

I just don't know what your solution would be.

If I see some morbidly obese person who is obviously not putting effort into getting any healthier, what am I supposed to be doing?
I've had people ask for my help with exercise and dieting before and I'm more than happy to give it, but it's not my place to just go around telling people what to do.

I mean if you really care that much, become a doctor.

BEING A BULLY TO FAT PEOPLE I SEE, METALLO

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I just don't know what your solution would be.

If I see some morbidly obese person who is obviously not putting effort into getting any healthier, what am I supposed to be doing?
I've had people ask for my help with exercise and dieting before and I'm more than happy to give it, but it's not my place to just go around telling people what to do.

I mean if you really care that much, become a doctor.

The solution is to change the culture, which means using the media.

Half a generation ago, smoking was cool. Now it's on the decline and quitting has become a trend. If you live in the US, you probably know of the massive ad campaign "Truth" with the anti-smoking message. There are definitely others like it, and they contributed to (if not outright fueled) the change.

Why can't we do the same thing with obesity and active lifestyles? There was the "Get up and play an hour a day" campaign that was popular a little over a decade ago, but I haven't seen much since then and it was mostly aimed at children anyway. Simply put, we need more ink.

There's a lot of pressure for women to have the peak perfect body type. I work out for myself but I definitely put as much effort into my appearance as I do because I want to be accepted by society. There's not really like an entire societal view that obesity is the way to be, like at all. The pressure is there for people, but people are doing what they wanna do anyway. Like I said if you care that much there are a number of professions you could get into to actively help people and be proactive.

Also guys with thicc thighs are really cute and should be acknowledged more

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There's a lot of pressure for women to have the peak perfect body type. I work out for myself but I definitely put as much effort into my appearance as I do because I want to be accepted by society. There's not really like an entire societal view that obesity is the way to be, like at all. The pressure is there for people, but people are doing what they wanna do anyway. Like I said if you care that much there are a number of professions you could get into to actively help people and be proactive.

Also guys with thicc thighs are really cute and should be acknowledged more

That pressure is also toxic and needs to be addressed

The solution to both is to abolish capitalism

Sure, why not

Anarchocapitalism is the way to go

Overweight people are more likely to spend money on unhealthy foods pushed in advertising, and then spend money on weight loss aids. In the pursuit to look perfect people will buy makeup, skincare products, hair products, etc. Everything is money money money. Nothing is ever going to change as long as people are able to make money off of the insecurities of others.

I myself am fat, but I don't have any health problems caused by said fat, therefore, unless health problems related to my being fat arise, I'm not going to worry about it.

However, I do have a friend who does have serious health issues caused by their fat, so I am encouraging them to lose weight so that they don't die.

Fat people can be healthy.

Fat people can be unhealthy.

Weight does not equal health.

I like body the way it is, and if you don't like it, I don't care.

I'm overweight. Not morbidly so but I am kinda large.

Though I have cut down quite a bit.

I used to have ice cream once a week, now once a month.

I used to drink soda every day, now just on weekends.

Chips were a constant, I barely eat them now....Though I have been eating more pretzels these past few weeks.

Those along with stress from a lot of **** in my life these past few months have caused me to lose a bit of weight. Though I can't get out as often, so I end up exercising less.

ALL WOMEN
R THICC BOIS

IF SHE BREATHES
SHE'S A THICC BOI

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metallo are you going red pill or blue pill you can only have one ok

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metallo are you going red pill or blue pill you can only have one ok

Yellow pill

Matallo confirmed for black pilled

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Matallo confirmed for black pilled

Hell no, that's not even funny man

but does metallo also like black beans

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Matallo confirmed for black pilled

Hell no, that's not even funny man

yes it is

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Matallo confirmed for black pilled

Hell no, that's not even funny man

yes it is

Okay it's kinda funny

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Hell no, that's not even funny man

yes it is

Okay it's kinda funny

never conform, dont be a sheep from spyro 3

LISTEN AND OBEY

My mother is morbidly obese to the point that she can't even use stairs or breathe on her own. She can't survive without a plethora of drugs which is using up all of our family's money. Honestly I'd be surprised if she survived to see me graduate from high school. Obesity is absolutely an epidemic that shouldn't be brushed to the side and ignored

alright, back on a serious note here.

I completely agree with the majority here saying that it's BS. being overweight is just not good. I don't care how you look at it, honestly, it just isn't healthy. it's not a healthy way of living. if you've researched the long term health affects that living in this lifestyle can have on you, then I can't see how anyone can defend it and try to literally shut out fact and reality aside for a false "body positivity" trend.

i'm all for being proud of yourself and super all for being confident in yourself no matter what, but, honestly, there's a line to be drawn on this. i'm not going to walk around saying, "hey, you're fat! fix it now!" but i'm just saying, we, as human beings should support each other into living a healthy form of lifestyle. it's not opinion, it's fact that being overweight is unhealthy. you can be a little thicker, that might be your natural body weight, and you don't have to be super slimmed down to stay healthy either, but if you're overweight, um, it is called being overweight for a reason.

i'm not being rude. i'm just saying. we should do our best to live a healthy lifestyle. obesity has VERY negatively affected americans, both in individual health, and our health system as a whole. it's something we need to work on, and I for one do actually care what other people are doing with themselves. because I care about people for themselves, and I also care about the affects that it has on people around them when you see someone you love going through a health crisis because of their weight, when you lose someone because of it. i'm sorry, but I DO care about what we stand to lose by not acting on this and promoting healthy living.

thank you for reading this. :-)

Eh it depends on the person. I do understand that it IS a problem because yeah being overweight is unhealthy. But at the same time you can't force someone to lose weight. If they're health is fine and they're happy, then I don't see why they have to slim up. :\

Also not being overweight is hard I swear. My metabolism is **** and I have to basically not eat in order to not put on weight. Im lucky that I'm generally not a big eater so this is not an issue, and I never drink soda or juice. And there is the fact that unhealthy food is far cheaper than healthy food, so of course I will go for the cheaper option. I think there is far too much body standards in society and it's why people think they're fat when they're not, myself included. :\

I would agree that the fat acceptance move is bs

I did kind of misinterperate Metallo's message at first, but I do understand

My family isn't morbidly obese(Hell, we can run really fast on a treadmill) But we are kind of thicc.

However, my parent's have reassured me that as long as I stay healthy, I'll become skinnier as Puberty goes on.

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Eh it depends on the person. I do understand that it IS a problem because yeah being overweight is unhealthy. But at the same time you can't force someone to lose weight. If they're health is fine and they're happy, then I don't see why they have to slim up. :\

Also not being overweight is hard I swear. My metabolism is **** and I have to basically not eat in order to not put on weight. Im lucky that I'm generally not a big eater so this is not an issue, and I never drink soda or juice. And there is the fact that unhealthy food is far cheaper than healthy food, so of course I will go for the cheaper option. I think there is far too much body standards in society and it's why people think they're fat when they're not, myself included. :\

In America, it's the complete opposite. Obesity has become so common that our view of a normal body is likely considered fat elsewhere.

Canada and the UK are heading that way, too.

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Off-topic, but what's with all these serious discussion and debate topics in S&N for? Back in my day, this place was filled with actual Stuff and Nonsense and not important, current affairs.

I've actually been tempted to start moving some of these more serious topics into Idle Chatter. Not only would it separate them from all the memes, but they would also stay afloat for longer there.

Honestly, I support that. I don't have anything to add that hasn't been said about this subject, but if the intent is serious discussion, it has a place there, not here.

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The solution to both is to abolish capitalism

DO I HEAR TALK OF COMMUNISM
ON MY GOOD CAPITALIST DARKSPYRO
RED CHINESE COMMUNISTS DETECTED
COMMUNISM IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF FAILURE
BETTER DEAD THAN RED