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I read it as Phallic-centric am I a rapist now

if a women decides that the consensual sex she had is all of sudden non consenual, she can then say the guy raped her. Thus, ruining his reputation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...-dont-let-them/

I fully understand why it’s nessacary, I’ve been sexually harassed. But the fact that women abuse it pisses me off. On top of that, even if the accusation is fake, America is more inclined to believe the women rather than the man. That’s really sad if you ask me.

https://medium.com/@Brad_Glasg...ll-2405452b635d
^if you don’t believe that #metoo can be abused, here is the whole #NotNolan ordeal. For those who don’t know, someone made fake accusations against Nolan Bushnell, the Founder of Atari. Which Brianna Wu reported on. A old female Atari employee came forward saying that the accusations were false.

Edit: before anyone jumps down my throat, I want to say that I fully back you up if you really have been sexually harassed. I just don’t personally agree with some of the tactics that some of the people behind#MeToo use. Sexual harassment is a problem, a big one. #MeToo stands for a great cause, honestly.

I remember seeing articles about cases that took decades to be debunked since no one was willing to think the woman would ever be in the wrong. Not in this case I guess, but it's still risky. You can help other people making these accusations even if it takes forever for the person to be arrested, but then one person does it with the intent to hurt and the target loses jobs, connections, everything until it's proven wrong, and even then they're still an outcast because of the first impression. Guess it happens with everything out there that's easily ruined by one a-hole, though.

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if a women decides that the consensual sex she had is all of sudden non consenual, she can then say the guy raped her. Thus, ruining his reputation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...-dont-let-them/

I fully understand why it’s nessacary, I’ve been sexually harassed. But the fact that women abuse it pisses me off. On top of that, even if the accusation is fake, America is more inclined to believe the women rather than the man. That’s really sad if you ask me.

https://medium.com/@Brad_Glasg...ll-2405452b635d
^if you don’t believe that #metoo can be abused, here is the whole #NotNolan ordeal. For those who don’t know, someone made fake accusations against Nolan Bushnell, the Founder of Atari. Which Brianna Wu reported on. A old female Atari employee came forward saying that the accusations were false.

Edit: before anyone jumps down my throat, I want to say that I fully back you up if you really have been sexually harassed. I just don’t personally agree with some of the tactics that some of the people behind#MeToo use. Sexual harassment is a problem, a big one. #MeToo stands for a great cause, honestly.

False accusations are nowhere near as common as people seem to think, and when they arise, they're usually pretty easy to debunk (as your article proves).

It's very necessary but it's a shame some people have already been using it to make false accusations. It just damages the credibility of hundreds of completely valid accusations just so that person can forever damage their target's name, and it's not like people can choose to ignore some reports just because it *might* not be true. Used for its real purpose, yeah, it's good to see it can make decades of abuse public.

if a women decides that the consensual sex she had is all of sudden non consenual, she can then say the guy raped her. Thus, ruining his reputation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...-dont-let-them/

I fully understand why it’s nessacary, I’ve been sexually harassed. But the fact that women abuse it pisses me off. On top of that, even if the accusation is fake, America is more inclined to believe the women rather than the man. That’s really sad if you ask me.

https://medium.com/@Brad_Glasg...ll-2405452b635d
^if you don’t believe that #metoo can be abused, here is the whole #NotNolan ordeal. For those who don’t know, someone made fake accusations against Nolan Bushnell, the Founder of Atari. Which Brianna Wu reported on. A old female Atari employee came forward saying that the accusations were false.

Edit: before anyone jumps down my throat, I want to say that I fully back you up if you really have been sexually harassed. I just don’t personally agree with some of the tactics that some of the people behind#MeToo use. Sexual harassment is a problem, a big one. #MeToo stands for a great cause, honestly.

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The sad thing is though is that there's a great chance that most of these women aren't lying. Sexual assault comes in different forms. If someone intentionally touches you in a way that you don't want and didn't consent to, that's some form of assault, period.

Even in the most minor sense of it, I can't count on my fingers the number of times that I've had a stranger physically touch me, grab me, hold me, etc in an attempt to hit on me or whatever. Granted it's usually men who aren't quite sober, and it's usually when I'm alone, but not always and the situation shouldn't even matter. It can't just be a coincidence that it happens to me so often, I don't live in a horrible area full of creeps. The entire point of the #MeToo movement was to show that yes, more women than you would think have been assaulted in some way.

I'm not going to pretend like my opinion is more valid or should be held to a higher standard than anyone else's just because I am victim, but I have personal experience to speak from. People are uncomfortable with rape victims because it's a horrible think to think about, it's one of the worst things you can do to someone and so people like to doubt that it's happened because it sucks to have to acknowledged that evil like that could exist so closely. I got the courage to open up about my own experience with people close to me about a year ago. There was no questionable consent about it, there was no drinking, he was a stranger. I still had people that didn't believe me, that (as cliche as it sounds) wanted to know what I was wearing, and if I was absolutely sure I said no. It's easier to assume that these people are lying than to accept the fact that it could've happened to someone you know and care about. These horrible people in Hollywood should be afraid and they should be uncomfortable, they should have their careers ruined, I have no sympathy for any of them because most of the accusations turn out to be true. You can't take this tiny minority and use it to ignore and shut down the majority. Why would you possibly want to?

Not all of these women are asking for money, and this was all supposed to be in regards to the #MeToo movement where most people partaking aren't even naming any names.

The comment about at least half of them "kind of enjoying it" seems a little gross and unwarranted too. Just because someone is good looking and famous doesn't exclude them from being a predator. I had a bad interaction with one of my edgy idols at Warped Tour when I was 15. He didn't assault me or anything but he did try to get me and a friend to meet up with him later, and even though he was my biggest celebrity crush at the time I wasn't interested and I wouldn't have enjoyed it.

I've met a few c-list musicians over the past few years who have wanted to hook up and I haven't been interested because me liking their music isn't my consent to anything.

why is wanting to take everything from the person who raped you and scarred you a bad thing or a greed thing that makes no sense, I'd want their money, I'd want them in prison, I'd want their entire psyche crushed just like they did to me. That's not selfish.

I speak from knowing rape victims

when it starts trending people feel more comfortable cuz other girls are standing up and letting their voices be heard, you admitted with harvey weinstein it was true and that was a so called 'trend' everyone spoke out

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why is wanting to take everything from the person who raped you and scarred you a bad thing or a greed thing that makes no sense, I'd want their money, I'd want them in prison, I'd want their entire psyche crushed just like they did to me. That's not selfish.

I speak from knowing rape victims

when it starts trending people feel more comfortable cuz other girls are standing up and letting their voices be heard, you admitted with harvey weinstein it was true and that was a so called 'trend' everyone spoke out

That's not what we mean

We are talking about the people who abuse the power just to get money, they aren't actually rape victims, they just want to have money, and want someone else to be miserable.

Like, if I'm gonna be honest real quick, I think that most of these accusations are real accusations, but there's probably 25% of people who just want to get some moolah and ruin somebody else's lives.

I mean, do you really think that many actors sexually abuse females, yeah sure, it's most likely quite a few of them did, but not all of them

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why is wanting to take everything from the person who raped you and scarred you a bad thing or a greed thing that makes no sense, I'd want their money, I'd want them in prison, I'd want their entire psyche crushed just like they did to me. That's not selfish.

I speak from knowing rape victims

when it starts trending people feel more comfortable cuz other girls are standing up and letting their voices be heard, you admitted with harvey weinstein it was true and that was a so called 'trend' everyone spoke out

That's not what we mean

We are talking about the people who abuse the power just to get money, they aren't actually rape victims, they just want to have money, and want someone else to be miserable.

Like, if I'm gonna be honest real quick, I think that most of these accusations are real accusations, but there's probably 25% of people who just want to get some moolah and ruin somebody else's lives.

I mean, do you really think that many actors sexually abuse females, yeah sure, it's most likely quite a few of them did, but not all of them

I want to see a source that supports those numbers. The study I linked earlier estimates that 2-10% of all accusations are false (but it took from one 5.9% sample so take that as you will).

Don't throw out numbers unless you have a source.

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That's not what we mean

We are talking about the people who abuse the power just to get money, they aren't actually rape victims, they just want to have money, and want someone else to be miserable.

Like, if I'm gonna be honest real quick, I think that most of these accusations are real accusations, but there's probably 25% of people who just want to get some moolah and ruin somebody else's lives.

I mean, do you really think that many actors sexually abuse females, yeah sure, it's most likely quite a few of them did, but not all of them

I want to see a source that supports those numbers. The study I linked earlier estimates that 2-10% of all accusations are false (but it took from one 5.9% sample so take that as you will).

Don't throw out numbers unless you have a source.

The reason there is a But, and probably, is to show it's a guess, I didn't get it from specific source. Is it wrong, probably, hell I'm wrong 95% of the time, and here's my study, myself.

Do I support Sexual Harassment. **** NO. I was just sexually harassed the other day, and I know some people go through that **** on a daily basis, do I support rape, **** NO. I don't want anybody, ever, ever ever ever ever. EVER, to experience rape, but I can't do **** about that because I can't be everywere at once.

What I'm saying is that false allegations exist and I want them to stop as well. Am I the smartest person on this damn planet, hell naw, and if I was, that would be kind of embarrasing.

Can I stop everything, no, can I try to help stop everything, yes.

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That's not what we mean

We are talking about the people who abuse the power just to get money, they aren't actually rape victims, they just want to have money, and want someone else to be miserable.

Like, if I'm gonna be honest real quick, I think that most of these accusations are real accusations, but there's probably 25% of people who just want to get some moolah and ruin somebody else's lives.

I mean, do you really think that many actors sexually abuse females, yeah sure, it's most likely quite a few of them did, but not all of them

I want to see a source that supports those numbers. The study I linked earlier estimates that 2-10% of all accusations are false (but it took from one 5.9% sample so take that as you will).

Don't throw out numbers unless you have a source.

The reason there is a But, and probably, is to show it's a guess, I didn't get it from specific source. Is it wrong, probably, hell I'm wrong 95% of the time, and here's my study, myself.

Do I support Sexual Harassment. **** NO. I was just sexually harassed the other day, and I know some people go through that **** on a daily basis, do I support rape, **** NO. I don't want anybody, ever, ever ever ever ever. EVER, to experience rape, but I can't do **** about that because I can't be everywere at once.

What I'm saying is that false allegations exist and I want them to stop as well. Am I the smartest person on this damn planet, hell naw, and if I was, that would be kind of embarrasing.

Can I stop everything, no, can I try to help stop everything, yes.

I just don't understand why you would want to support a potential rapist rather than a potential victim. Like why take the chance?

I just don't understand why you would want to support a potential rapist rather than a potential victim. Like why take the chance?

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I just don't understand why you would want to support a potential rapist rather than a potential victim. Like why take the chance?

i agree

i mean if a bomb squad got 80 fake bomb threats in a month, would they ignore the 81st?

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I just don't understand why you would want to support a potential rapist rather than a potential victim. Like why take the chance?

I myself am an innocent until proven guilty person, yeah, most of the time, I will support the victim, but if there is evidence to show that potential rapist didn't rape the victim, I'll usually support them, until It's confirmed they did the rape.

I know it sounds like a weird side-switcher flip-flop thing, but It's just how I see it.

Also, sorry about my little outburst, it was just something on my mind that I had to let go, so sorry.

I just don't understand why you would want to support a potential rapist rather than a potential victim. Like why take the chance?

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I just don't understand why you would want to support a potential rapist rather than a potential victim. Like why take the chance?

In my opinion, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Obviously, if an actual rapist did get away with the crime, it's horrible but there is also the chance that it was a false report, then that person who was accused has their life ruined for something they never did. It's honestly a double edged sword since a lot of rape trials tend to be based on he-said, she-said since evidence for rape can be difficult to find.

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I just don't understand why you would want to support a potential rapist rather than a potential victim. Like why take the chance?

In my opinion, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Obviously, if an actual rapist did get away with the crime, it's horrible but there is also the chance that it was a false report, then that person who was accused has their life ruined for something they never did. It's honestly a double edged sword since a lot of rape trials tend to be based on he-said, she-said since evidence for rape can be difficult to find.

As for me, while I think #MeToo is good for raising awareness about the subject and it has helped people come out about their experiences that they were too scared to talk about before, it also worries me. Like where is the line drawn between someone just being flirty and someone being a genuine creep because I feel like the line nowadays is very blurred. Like someone could go over to someone to try talk and flirt, completely innocent but then someone misconstrues their intentions and says they are sexually harassing them.

While the movement is absolutely necessary and long overdue, I can't help but feel it's inevitably going to be used by performative self-congratulatory people who want brownie points for supporting it (notably men in hollywood who may have harassed people themselves) i.e. someone who wears black to an event and is like "yeah!! #metoo!!!" while in their personal lives ignores/exudes misogyny and rape culture anyway

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I just don't understand why you would want to support a potential rapist rather than a potential victim. Like why take the chance?

In my opinion, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Obviously, if an actual rapist did get away with the crime, it's horrible but there is also the chance that it was a false report, then that person who was accused has their life ruined for something they never did. It's honestly a double edged sword since a lot of rape trials tend to be based on he-said, she-said since evidence for rape can be difficult to find.

This doesn't change anything. I'd rather ruin the life of a potential rapist than that of a potential victim.

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I just don't understand why you would want to support a potential rapist rather than a potential victim. Like why take the chance?

In my opinion, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Obviously, if an actual rapist did get away with the crime, it's horrible but there is also the chance that it was a false report, then that person who was accused has their life ruined for something they never did. It's honestly a double edged sword since a lot of rape trials tend to be based on he-said, she-said since evidence for rape can be difficult to find.

This doesn't change anything. I'd rather ruin the life of a potential rapist than that of a potential victim.

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In my opinion, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Obviously, if an actual rapist did get away with the crime, it's horrible but there is also the chance that it was a false report, then that person who was accused has their life ruined for something they never did. It's honestly a double edged sword since a lot of rape trials tend to be based on he-said, she-said since evidence for rape can be difficult to find.

This doesn't change anything. I'd rather ruin the life of a potential rapist than that of a potential victim.

So what if you were accused of rape falsely and everyone defamed you and your character, and didn't believe you when you said you didn't do it. What would you do then?

what if it turned out to be false though?


unrelated to metoo, kinda, but bashurverse was accused of being a rapist by keemstar and that ruined his life. Bashur made video in which he had a mental breakdown and has since left youtube. what do you do in that case? pat someone on the head and say "aww im so sorry i accused you of this horrible crime, and in accusing of the crime your life is now ruined here have an ice cream" (Bashur is innocent btw, keemstar made the story up)


i'm sorry, but you cannot look me in the eye and tell me you are willing to ruin someone's life because of an accusation

in the case that the harassment was real, then that guys life should be ruined, depending on the severity.

It doesn't happen that often though. Not as often as someone accusing someone else of rape and the accuser being called a liar, a golddigger, etcetc.

You know I would believe that someone hit your car and left the scene, but some people have lied about that before so I don't know if I can believe you. The guy you're accusing has a wife and kids, he doesn't seem like the type. And you're asking for compensation for your damaged vehicle which makes me a little suspicious that you might be faking this for money. Are you positive he actually hit your car or did he just drive by really close to you?
Yes I understand that most reports of hit and run incidents are proven to be valid in a court of law, but I would hate to risk ruining someone's reputation over this. Besides, I'm not the law anyway, I'm just part of the society that creates the culture around how we handle situations like these in the future.

None of us here are the law. We don't make the legal decisions so our opinions and decisions to support or not support victims doesn't have any effect on the law. We wouldn't all be in jail because we aren't the judge or the jury, we're third party individuals who can't influence any legal aspect of the situation.

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In my opinion, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Obviously, if an actual rapist did get away with the crime, it's horrible but there is also the chance that it was a false report, then that person who was accused has their life ruined for something they never did. It's honestly a double edged sword since a lot of rape trials tend to be based on he-said, she-said since evidence for rape can be difficult to find.

This doesn't change anything. I'd rather ruin the life of a potential rapist than that of a potential victim.

what if it turned out to be false though?


unrelated to metoo, kinda, but bashurverse was accused of being a rapist by keemstar and that ruined his life. Bashur made video in which he had a mental breakdown and has since left youtube. what do you do in that case? pat someone on the head and say "aww im so sorry i accused you of this horrible crime, and in accusing of the crime your life is now ruined here have an ice cream" (Bashur is innocent btw, keemstar made the story up)


i'm sorry, but you cannot look me in the eye and tell me you are willing to ruin someone's life because of an accusation

in the case that the harassment was real, then that guys life should be ruined, depending on the severity.

Personally, I don't see why one has to 'pick a side' when you could just be objective and let the judge and jury decide IMO.

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Personally, I don't see why one has to 'pick a side' when you could just be objective and let the judge and jury decide IMO.

See the first post of this topic.

The vast majority of these cases will never see "judge and jury." It's embedded in our society and it needs to be called out.

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My only concern is that in the event of a false accusation, the accused's life and reputation can be permanently damaged even if they did nothing wrong. The public will forever associate that person with the crime someone said they did, even if it was proven without a shadow of a doubt that they're innocent.

Of course, that's an issue with the general public at large and shouldn't stop people from coming forth with real accusations or stop people from investigating them to find real criminals.

Get ready for the repeated "It doesn't happen that often, though" and "I'd rather trust a potential victim than a potential rapist, and therefore would rather ruin the latter's reputation even if we don't have any evidence and they might have done nothing wrong".

Oh, and let's not forget the legendary "We're not the judge and jury, so we can't possibly ruin a person's reputation even though we as a people can still effect things through our voices and outcries for "justice"".

And it's a lot harder for someone who's generally well known across the world to recover, than it is for an average person.
The latter might still get media attention, but it is generally the celebrities and well-known people who will get thrown under the bus by the media, even after they end up being proven innocent if they didn't do anything wrong.

I feel like I've repeated myself numerous times in this single post. o_o