darkSpyro

http://wreg.com/2018/02/27/ms-...ff-to-be-armed/

opinions?

Yes, because bringing guns into schools is going to solve all the gun problems in schools. Teachers can snap too, and some kids can be pretty damn frustrating, here's a solution to your frustrations! Hope they've got that gun well guarded too to ensure the kids or others who would want to hurt them can't get hold of them

bad idea


high schoolers are hormonally imbalanced which leads to bad decision making

fun fact: you cant actually diagnose a teen as a psychopath because of that

bad idea, teachers already have enough pressure put on them as it is.

the school system is already poor the last thing it needs is expensive guns and training

Honestly, as a future educator, I don't think I should be expected to put my life on the line like this. Would I give my life to protect my students in an emergency situation? Absolutely. Should it be something I go into class each day, wondering if that day is the day I'm expected to possibly die? Definitely not.

I get it, schools need to be more secure with this kind of stuff, but teachers aren't bodyguards. They aren't a security force, nor should we make them become one. I've never really cared about gun laws and if you want to go hunting, skeet shooting, whatever, I don't really care as long as there's a level of safety involved. Where I draw the line is people getting hurt, and in my opinion, this could bring a lot more of that. Teachers can be just as messed up as students, many of them have their own problems in their own lives. What if one decides they've had enough and decides to commit atrocities that have now been directly funded by the government? Who's responsible then?

Even worse, no teacher should be expected to learn how to kill a child. Plain and simple.

This whole situation has brought up a ton of moral dilemmas that can't be solved so easily, but I feel like keeping guns out of schools should be the priority, not bringing more in.

if schools really want to be safer i feel like they need to do several things

1) actually do something about bullies
2) hire security guards
3) put money towards hiring real psychologists to be ready, in schools helping students to talk about mental health issues
suprise, school counselors arent the same as school psychologists

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if schools really want to be safer i feel like they need to do several things

1) actually do something about bullies
2) hire security guards
3) put money towards hiring real psychologists to be ready, in schools helping students to talk about mental health issues
suprise, school counselors arent the same as school psychologists

Problem and huge one.

MONEY! A lot of schools have so much budget and money issues that a lot of teachers are cut off a job and now there's about 40 kids in a class room. So having more staff isn't possible when everyone thinks "oh teachers get paid too much, they should supply our kids" including the fine work of the government.

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Quote: parisruelz12

if schools really want to be safer i feel like they need to do several things

1) actually do something about bullies
2) hire security guards
3) put money towards hiring real psychologists to be ready, in schools helping students to talk about mental health issues
suprise, school counselors arent the same as school psychologists

Problem and huge one.

MONEY! A lot of schools have so much budget and money issues that a lot of teachers are cut off a job and now there's about 40 kids in a class room. So having more staff isn't possible when everyone thinks "oh teachers get paid too much, they should supply our kids" including the fine work of the government.

yeah that is a huge problem, and it definitely needs to be solved before anything else.

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Quote: parisruelz12

if schools really want to be safer i feel like they need to do several things

1) actually do something about bullies
2) hire security guards
3) put money towards hiring real psychologists to be ready, in schools helping students to talk about mental health issues
suprise, school counselors arent the same as school psychologists

Problem and huge one.

MONEY! A lot of schools have so much budget and money issues that a lot of teachers are cut off a job and now there's about 40 kids in a class room. So having more staff isn't possible when everyone thinks "oh teachers get paid too much, they should supply our kids" including the fine work of the government.

Another issue being, even with schools with little money, many prioritise that money over things that don't actually matter such as sports and certain clubs.
schools in america are a mess

That too honestly.

american solution to Gun: More Gun

Didn't a teacher that actually has gun training said on twitter he wouldn't be able to calm fown fast enough to control the situation with a gun of his own, let alone shoot down a kid sucessfully

Unless you're willing to put actual soldiers as teachers, it'll just lead to someone freaking out and leaving even more avaliable guns to a mentally unstable kid in a stressful situation. It's far too much money to even start to guarantee every teacher will have proper training to put into practice.

I'm surprised this thread has been so far to one side. I'm not complaining, I just expected all kinds of different views and ones I disagree with too.

I think the last resort is putting more guns into schools. I would not have trusted some of my teachers to have the physical strength to pull the trigger, much less the mental fortitude or reflexes to use it efficiently. And I think that's the key point here: the mental, not the physical. Where a school shooter has the will to commit an act like that, I cannot think of anyone I went to school with - including teachers - would have had the willpower to put a bullet through a young person's head. Add to that the cramped space and 39 or so (~19 where I'm from) potential innocents that'll get killed or injured and it becomes even more less desirable.

"I'd rather teachers have the ability to protect their students than nothing at all", say people who - from what I've heard - aren't teachers or students involved in the shooting and in a clear state of mind. If I were still a student and I knew my teachers were armed, I'd be just as scared because there is an untrained firearm user in the same room as my friends and I. And I'm not going to feel much safer if they're the first ones that get targeted and killed - the moment a shooter kills but a single person, their objective is a success. If they suffer 'suicide-by-teacher', their plan worked. That's my view, anyway. I understand wanting to protect one's children and siblings, but I'd rather not be the first thing the teacher hits before they realise they need to adjust their aim. "But hey, it's only Johnbonne. He's not my son/daughter/tarantulaboi, so it's OK because the shooter was taken down in the end."

My original response to this was something like bullet-proofed windows and doors that lock automatically to hinder a shooter, but all that does is lock people in with a killer rather than keep said killer out. That and health & safety legislation being required to be re-written which politicians probably can't be bothered doing (that'd definitely be the case here in the UK).

I don't suppose anyone's had the idea of regulating video games yet, have they?

Something to protect the students would be something like a silent store alarm, but then there's the issue of the teacher walking out and someone ****ing with the button by malice. Either way, even with just a fist, some teachers absolutely cannot handle confronting a student out of fear of being fired(or just because of their personality in general), and I've heard plenty in the US and elsewhere that some just run out of class to calm down or cry if it got bad enough. Not that those teachers are bad by default if they can lose their composure like that - maybe they're great teachers and the class just sucks because of some sociopath teenager saying specific words - but that's the last person you entrust with a gun in an emergency.

I mean we have an officer at our school, and I believe she has a taser, not a gun(Not that I know what a taser looks like)

We're also doing this little plan of ours called ALICE

Until it happens in a school where that option isn't taken and everyone rakes them over the coals for not using guns.

Who's to say a a student couldn't get a hand of a teacher's gun and start shooting everyone or commit suicide?

As long as violent, hateful, bigoted narcissists are in charge, terrorism will always be enabled and innocent people will die.

If I was forced to carry a gun, I will immediately point my gun at the people who forced me to carry it in the first place. The second thing I'll do is throw it in their faces until they take my gun away from me and ban me from ever having one.

the problem with this idea is that it works on the basis of guns being some inherently evil object. not everyone who owns a gun is a homicidal maniac, you know. in fact, most people who own guns use them purely for sport. people need to stop acting like the tool is what causes problems, but rather the person behind the tool. when there's a car crash, you don't blame cars for causing the incident, you blame the person driving the car, most likely impaired by distractions or under the influence. the people who go into schools with guns and cause these tragedies are not of mental health. they clearly have problems, and need help from those who know how. the FBI was alerted NUMEROUS times about the shooter, that this kid posed a threat and showed all the red flags. yet they did nothing. an organization of 35,000+ employees ignored all these signs and alerts. if anybody is to blame, it's them. people say that arming teachers will help, but that's not the answer. the school system is already struggling financially. teachers, sadly, do not make much money. so having teachers undergo mandatory firearms training and ownership would be incredibly stupid, since guns tend to be quite expensive. keeping guns out of schools is the solution we need, not putting more in. and that solution starts with evaluating and prioritizing mental health. the "scrawny white kid with a gun" stereotype stems from a child who feels as if society has nothing good for him/her, and leaves them with a desire to inflict violence. mental health treatment can stop these problems before they happen.

school shootings, of course, are horrible. it is completely unacceptable that this is such a common occurrence in our country. but two things make it worse- ignorance and fear.

i know most of you will skim past this post because of some pre-existing stigma against me, but when i do rarely make the serious post, i do mean it.

Well, I wouldn't really know, since I'm just seeing it from social media. From a culture where school violence is pretty common but we only had like one case of a recent school shooting(which was last year iirc?), it just sounds like lots of people in the US are ready to solve the problem with more guns and if other people don't want more guns they're crazy. Not from the forum of course, just social media comments in general, which I know are trash.

There's really no solution to this. I mean, there are possible solutions, but given the way America operates at the federal and state level, there are no actual, realistic solutions. We did this to ourselves. Because our politics kept us from updating laws to reflect new advances in technology and changes in society. Do you really think the Constitutional Congress knew what sort of guns and ammunition would be available in 200+ years when they wrote the Bill of Rights? No! But it's too late. No turning back. If Congress won't even repeal the Dickey Amendment to at least let us get some solid research on how mental health ties into gun violence, then we, as a country, deserve this kind of thing to keep happening. And it will continue to happen.

Arming teachers (assuming the measure is approved) won't help. I refer you to this shooting, where there was an armed (and trained) officer on the scene who was "assessing the situation," the entire time. If he was utterly confused as to how to approach this scenario, do you really think a teacher, in the heat of the moment, is going to be able to stop someone unless they're ex-military? My bet's on no. And, if they are supplied with a basic handgun, it may not do any good if the shooter's rocking military-grade weaponry and rounds or just happened to get some body armor.

And, of course, let's not forget about the potential racism issues. Even with "proper training," who's to say we wouldn't have instances where, say, a white teacher in an inner-city school suspects a black student of bringing a weapon into school and shoots them? Given all the issues with police shootings, I can see it happening. Or what if an innocent kid gets accidentally shot by the teacher? What happens? Is the city/federal government going to pay up when lawsuits come flying in from irate parents? How much taxpayer money will stuff like this end up costing?

Like I said, no solution for the US because of the way our government operates. Well, the government could just try to reduce the school population by putting a moratorium on all child birth like they had (still have?) in China, but I don't think that would ever happen.

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If I was forced to carry a gun, I will immediately point my gun at the people who forced me to carry it in the first place. The second thing I'll do is throw it in their faces until they take my gun away from me and ban me from ever having one.

breaking the first rule of gun safety i see

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Quote: StevemacQ

If I was forced to carry a gun, I will immediately point my gun at the people who forced me to carry it in the first place. The second thing I'll do is throw it in their faces until they take my gun away from me and ban me from ever having one.

breaking the first rule of gun safety i see

you gotta treat it like it's loaded man

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Who's to say a a student couldn't get a hand of a teacher's gun and start shooting everyone or commit suicide?

As long as violent, hateful, bigoted narcissists are in charge, terrorism will always be enabled and innocent people will die.

If I was forced to carry a gun, I will immediately point my gun at the people who forced me to carry it in the first place. The second thing I'll do is throw it in their faces until they take my gun away from me and ban me from ever having one.

sounds like a great idea

Okay, not throw it. I'll hit them in the face with the gun or maybe I will but bullets in and aim it at them.

I wonder there were incidents of NRA members killing each in a NRA meeting or shooting range? I mean what if all the NRA people suddenly got paranoid of one another, or feel offended each of them claims to be the alpha male, and begin to shoot each other.

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Okay, not throw it. I'll hit them in the face with the gun or maybe I will but bullets in and aim it at them.

lets not do that


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Quote: StevemacQ

Okay, not throw it. I'll hit them in the face with the gun or maybe I will but bullets in and aim it at them.

I wonder there were incidents of NRA members killing each in a NRA meeting or shooting range? I mean what if all the NRA people suddenly got paranoid of one another, or feel offended each of them claims to be the alpha male, and begin to shoot each other.

Seriously? Pretty sure the vast majority of NRA members are responsible gun owners. And that the perpetrators of these mass shooting incidents are not.

Just want to say that I've heard many people advocate arming teachers, and not a single damn one of them is a teacher.

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Okay, not throw it. I'll hit them in the face with the gun or maybe I will but bullets in and aim it at them.

I wonder there were incidents of NRA members killing each in a NRA meeting or shooting range? I mean what if all the NRA people suddenly got paranoid of one another, or feel offended each of them claims to be the alpha male, and begin to shoot each other.

try taking the bullets out and throwing each individual bullet

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Okay, not throw it. I'll hit them in the face with the gun or maybe I will but bullets in and aim it at them.

I wonder there were incidents of NRA members killing each in a NRA meeting or shooting range? I mean what if all the NRA people suddenly got paranoid of one another, or feel offended each of them claims to be the alpha male, and begin to shoot each other.

try taking the bullets out and throwing each individual bullet

try putting the gun and bullets on the floor and throwing yourself