darkSpyro

i didn't see a topic for it, so I was wondering if anyone was following this one?

it was a terrible incident. I was wondering what everyone was thinking abou it.

i'll find an overall description of the event somewhere, too tired at this exact moment to go looking for the most accurate one.

here's an article about the shooter's first two court appearances...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...-second-n849401

and here's an article about an interview with his adopted family, and their comments on his mental state of being...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...warning-n849346

Sick **** set off the alarms to get the kids into the halls

It's awful and tragic and the fact that 17 kids died really blows my mind despite it being one guy with a gun. Shootings have just gotten more common and that's scary. This NEEDS to be discussed.

Evil. Just evil.

Yea saw this in news. It is horrible like always.....

But what I really think should be done....
Gun regulations must be heighten, most of the Countries which have done that do have much less of these kind of acts....

Other thing is that there should be work with the mental Health. I think there should be more public Services especially for young people.... Everybody should be able to use those and help should be there and that should not depend on your wealth can you use those.

if we could stop giving ar 15s, I think that might help the situation. most of these shootings have been committed with ar 15s or "homebrew" ar 15s. I don't support ban all guns, but i'm not sure why your average joe needs an ar 15.

This tragedy was so preventable if the right people cared about this. The red flags were there, man...

fbi was too busy with Russian investigation to care about the many complaints they received about his social media accounts and death threats and wanting to be a professional school shooter.

it's sad, you know.

well, banning guns won't fix the problem.

More effective mental hospitals And healthcare then, if you don't want to see more insane people with guns... Give them help.

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well, banning guns won't fix the problem.

Are you being sarcastic? I can never tell.

Nothing's going to get done on this issue. At the bare minimum they could repeal the Dickey Amendment, but they won't.

Furious and disgusted how it's so easy for ones to go to schools, clubs, churches and concerts and easily shoot innocent people, including children. Guns have evolved but not gun laws. The people who wrote wrote the 2nd Amendment didn't predict arms would go from one shot after a minute of reloading to rifles firing dozens-if-not-hundreds of bullets within a minute.

Then there's the GOP and right-wing media both humanizing a Nazi-trained anti-Semitic to murders children while also demonizing and belittling the victims and survivors. Then they try to blame video games again because rightwing nutjobs refuse to take responsibility for enabling terrorism.

Gun-owners had their chance and while it shouldn't be my place from the views of Americans, I believe maybe they should have their guns taken away. There was one infamous mass shooting in Scotland 20 years ago that took the lives of many young children. Guns were banned after and there were no more mass shootings.

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Nothing's going to get done on this issue. At the bare minimum they could repeal the Dickey Amendment, but they won't.

yep... >.<

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well, banning guns won't fix the problem.

Are you being sarcastic? I can never tell.

Frankly he's not wrong on that.

Banning guns would not solve the issue, because then we would have mass stabbings and bootleggers. Effectively adding more problems like the time we tried to prohibit Alcohol. It's not really the guns fault, it's people not being responsible.

What is a problem is how this situation was handled by the FBI, gun sellers in Florida, and general lack of gun law enforcement.

1. The FBI have failed to investigate the teen when he uploaded a youtube video/comment, of how he was gonna be a professional school shooter.
   


2. Gun shows make some illegal guns easily obtained because.
   
A. They're not forced to do background checks in quite a few states (Florida being one of them), as in they can easily sell guns to lunatics without even knowing or caring. As long as they get paid right?

B. Not only is the lack of background checks a thing, but the fact that Gun shows are considered to be of "private selling" of merch to bypass some laws with the Private sales law (even though we see this stuff marketed) is frankly kind of disgusting as well as many other issues if you look into research the "Gun show loophole".


3. I heard that the kid at the gun shop was expressing some pretty violent stuff and the gun seller still sold him a gun. Idk if that is true or not, if it is than we do have a large lack of caring on the state's and FBI's behalf.
   


4. The legal Age to own a gun is low in several states. We're talking a range of 18-21 depending on which state. Florida has the 18 legal age. I personally think 21 would be better for all states.
   


5. Obviously the mental stability of people is a big issue. I would see about a so often test to see how people are thinking, sort of like a test for your driver's license but a lot more difficult. Honestly if you have a full thought out plan of murder with a gun, you are not mentally stable to own one. Plus it may help with getting people the correct mental help or put more thought into what is and isn't a mental illness.
   


6. Also parents do buy guns for their kids. Which I don't think should be a thing. You're either buying a gun for yourself or not buying a gun at all.
   

What we should do is make it a lot harder for guns to be obtained in the first place. Make it have a fee, a tax, a mentality test, enforce the laws to prevent the gun show loop in general. Just overall improvements on fire arms obtaining in general as well as it's laws. To the guns that are already owned by people there's literally not a solution I can think about that other than "learn gun safety and practice it" or have them re-register (which people really hate doing so I doubt that's gonna work).

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Quote: ZapNorris

well, banning guns won't fix the problem.

Are you being sarcastic? I can never tell.

Frankly he's not wrong on that.

Banning guns would not solve the issue, because then we would have mass stabbings and bootleggers. Effectively adding more problems like the time we tried to prohibit Alcohol. It's not really the guns fault, it's people not being responsible.

What is a problem is how this situation was handled by the FBI, gun sellers in Florida, and general lack of gun law enforcement.

1. The FBI have failed to investigate the teen when he uploaded a youtube video/comment, of how he was gonna be a professional school shooter.
   


2. Gun shows make some illegal guns easily obtained because.
   
A. They're not forced to do background checks in quite a few states (Florida being one of them), as in they can easily sell guns to lunatics without even knowing or caring. As long as they get paid right?

B. Not only is the lack of background checks a thing, but the fact that Gun shows are considered to be of "private selling" of merch to bypass some laws with the Private sales law (even though we see this stuff marketed) is frankly kind of disgusting as well as many other issues if you look into research the "Gun show loophole".


3. I heard that the kid at the gun shop was expressing some pretty violent stuff and the gun seller still sold him a gun. Idk if that is true or not, if it is than we do have a large lack of caring on the state's and FBI's behalf.
   


4. The legal Age to own a gun is low in several states. We're talking a range of 18-21 depending on which state. Florida has the 18 legal age. I personally think 21 would be better for all states.
   


5. Obviously the mental stability of people is a big issue. I would see about a so often test to see how people are thinking, sort of like a test for your driver's license but a lot more difficult. Honestly if you have a full thought out plan of murder with a gun, you are not mentally stable to own one. Plus it may help with getting people the correct mental help or put more thought into what is and isn't a mental illness.
   


6. Also parents do buy guns for their kids. Which I don't think should be a thing. You're either buying a gun for yourself or not buying a gun at all.
   

What we should do is make it a lot harder for guns to be obtained in the first place. Make it have a fee, a tax, a mentality test, enforce the laws to prevent the gun show loop in general. Just overall improvements on fire arms obtaining in general as well as it's laws. To the guns that are already owned by people there's literally not a solution I can think about that other than "learn gun safety and practice it" or have them re-register (which people really hate doing so I doubt that's gonna work).

^this right here so much.

thanks for posting that, can't think of anything to add to that, honestly.

You're welcome.

I'm more of an advocate for stronger background checks than banning any particular type of weapon.

This guy (and most of the recent shooters) had so many documentable red flags that it's downright absurd how he was able to legally buy that rifle.