Alright, I need some help.
Stormcloak or Imperials? And what's your reasoning for your choice? There's a lot to consider here...
Stormcloaks:
Pros:
* Ulfric is a badass
* Skyrim is the homeland to the Nords
* You can tell that Ulfric is willing to do something about the Thalmor
* I hate the Thalmor, so do they
* Honorable goals (religious freedom, etc)
Cons:
* You have to attack Whiterun, which is a huge turn-off
* Ulfric killed the High King, which is questionable
* They can be pretty racist (I know not all, but still some)
* They are a bit more violent and extreme
Imperials:
Pros:
* They are larger and more powerful
* They are friendlier to all races
* I followed Hadvar out of Helgen
* Don't attack holds besides Windhelm
Cons:
* They are bending their knees to the Thalmor, who I hate
* They allow no worship of Talos
* Game begins with them about to execute you
Well, any opinions?
EDIT: Sorry if this should be in Video Gaming
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Chompy-King257
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#1 Posted: 00:40:28 26/01/2018 | Topic Creator
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#2 Posted: 01:03:28 26/01/2018
SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS
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#3 Posted: 01:15:12 26/01/2018
The dragons are the true rulers.
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#4 Posted: 01:16:01 26/01/2018
Stormcloaks sound cooler I guess.
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#5 Posted: 08:21:29 26/01/2018
Stormcloaks b/c trve cult badassery \m/
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#6 Posted: 08:41:43 26/01/2018
It makes no difference at all once you've finished the questline. Just go with what feels more in-character.
And if you really hate the Thalmor you can rest easy with the knowledge that in the far future of the Elder Scrolls universe (late fifth era) the entire race of the Altmer will be effectively erased from all existence, the past, the present and the future, by a Dwemer golem known as Numidium. This event is called the "Landfall", and it will destroy Nirn completely. Some people survive it by "knowing love" (basically realizing CHIM and becoming gods just like Talos Stormcrown did) and they move on to settle the plane of Masser, one of the moons of Nirn. ...So it's safe to say that the Thalmor will also get thoroughly rekt at some point. |
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#7 Posted: 08:49:21 26/01/2018
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Serves 'em right for not being cvlt enough \m/
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#8 Posted: 09:00:13 26/01/2018
Yeah. A win for the Stormcloaks means a weaker Empire.
A weaker Empire means a stronger Thalmor. So many people go the Stormcloaks route to aid the Thalmor, I could've sworn it was a conspiracy.
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#9 Posted: 09:01:03 26/01/2018
youve made me sad that i still have never played skyrim ;-;
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#10 Posted: 11:34:58 26/01/2018 | Topic Creator
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Well, I guess that takes care of them... I'm starting to lean towards the Imperials, but still taking suggestions. Also, gonna leave this here for other opinions: Quote: Chompy-King257
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#11 Posted: 15:35:57 26/01/2018
just play botw instead
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#12 Posted: 19:45:26 26/01/2018
well consider the motivation
essentailly, the primary motivation to the war is the banishment of talos worship through the white-gold concordat this is emphasized by the fact that ulfric took the reach (aka markarth) and wouldn't give it back unless the empire allowed the worship of talos. the emipre agreed, but they captured ulfric and then banned the worship again. this is what led to the stormcloak uprising. the secondary motivation is that the empire is a puppet state to the thalmor and therefore has no legitimate rule over skyrim you also have to understand that most imperials don't actually like the white-gold concordat, but allow the thalmor to have influence them. for example, legate rikke of the imperial army will say "talos be with you" when/if u kill ulfric at the end of imperial civil war questline. though some npcs in the game will argue that the thalmor don't have that much of an influence on the empire. (i think vittoria vici, the girl you murder during the dark brotherhood questline, said something along those lines. ) /dark brotherhood spoilers what i find funny is that if u murder titus mede in the dark brotherhood, it's implied that the empire would be left in complete disarry. its never implied that titus has any heirs, nor is it implied that he doesn't have heirs. while one might think this would have an impact on the civil quest line, it really doesn't. imo, though, i went with the nords. i believe that anyone should be able to worship who they want when they want. .....i know more about made up political history than i do america's FML
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#13 Posted: 19:46:16 26/01/2018
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#14 Posted: 19:51:07 26/01/2018
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#15 Posted: 06:02:42 27/01/2018
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S O U R C E ? |
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#16 Posted: 10:31:11 27/01/2018
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Landfall Loveletter From the Fifth Era, the True Purpose of Tamriel C0DA I admit that all the information is canonically disputed (by the fans), but the guy who wrote it worked as a writer for a lot of TES games. Redguard, Morrowind and Oblivion (along with Knights of the Nine) are all partly his work. He also wrote a lot about the deeper aspects of the lore, the creation of Nirn, the gods and by extension the entire cosmology and timeline of events. He was the guy who made TES into what it is today; in contrast Arena and Daggerfall were just your average high fantasy. The contents of the above links haven't been either confirmed or denied by Bethesda to be included in the story, and they don't conflict with any of the games either, so which is it?.. The thing with the Elder Scrolls lore is that it's pretty confusing and contradictory in a lot of senses. While a lot of fictional universes pull out a mess of split timelines and parallel dimensions in an attempt to piece it all together, TES lore relies a lot on obscurity and personal interpretations to make itself presentable. If I had to give it a clearer description, I would say that the story has a "core canon" around which everything is constructed according to the way each individual player/reader sees it. On the positive side it means that if you don't like it you're free to dismiss it, but it's also rather dull and makes doesn't leave a lot to be discussed. Here are links to the other stuff that I mentioned that are very much part of the in-game story. Numidium CHIM Edit: Forgot to mention that TES lore also has split timelines called "Dragon Breaks", but they reconnect after the break ends, which creates a period in history where time was non-linear and events proceeded in many different ways. |
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#17 Posted: 13:17:07 27/01/2018 | Topic Creator
Thanks for all the help so far, everyone.
One of my major issues with the Stormcloaks is the whole bit about attacking Whiterun and banishing Jarl Balgruuf. And it seems like if you do the townspeople are a lot more depressed (Carlotta saying that the Stormcloaks don't leave her alone, Adrianne saying that no one buys from her anymore because she isn't a Nord, the Battle-Borns being bullied and robbed, etc). Is there any way to make it not so bad?
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#18 Posted: 13:29:25 27/01/2018
I haven't played Skyrim, but from what I've heard, the Stormcloaks are basically like Vikings. Right?
If so, then... they're Vikings. Justifies everything.
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#19 Posted: 13:34:25 27/01/2018 | Topic Creator
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The Stormcloaks are a rebellion of viking-like people, while the Imperials are an army with an extremely strong Ancient Rome aesthetic. I like the looks of both.
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#20 Posted: 14:33:14 27/01/2018
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Holy crap, I didn't know Numidium would come back. |
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#21 Posted: 16:33:10 27/01/2018
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Imperials sound kinda like police, which is boring. Vikings are, well, Vikings. Vikings are badass. In case you weren't already convinced that Vikings are indeed totally badass, try listening to five hours of Ensiferum and/or Manowar. That always does it for me.
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#22 Posted: 18:34:15 27/01/2018 | Topic Creator
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What I'm trying to figure out tho is which one is better MORALLY for my character. Let me describe him a bit first. That may help: Gorrick is a Nord Spellsword, favoring Dragonbane in one hand and the Fireball spell in another. He doesn't discriminate against other races. Hell, his wife is a Dunmer (Jenassa), one of his daughters is an Imperial (Lucia), and some of his best friends include a Bosmer (Faendal), two Orcs (Ghorbash and Ogol), a Kahjiit (J'zargo), and an Argonian (Derkeethus). However, he is very proud of his heritage, and honors their traditions. He hates the Thalmor and their ban of Talos (who he worships), to the point where he will kill any of them he comes across. He sees both sides as flawed, as he thinks the Empire should be pushing back harder against the Thalmor, but the Stormcloaks also shouldn't be so racist. He is indifferent about Ulfric. Does that help?
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#23 Posted: 19:57:02 27/01/2018
Well, as I said, I see the Imperials as something akin to a police force, therefore being the "morally correct" option. I don't know about any lore or anything, however, just that my admittedly black-and-white view gives that impression. I don't really understand most of this high-fantasy stuff TBH. So, I'll just say what I've said. I'll probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
That said, it does seem from what you've said that the Imperials do have negative traits. And they apparently tried to kill you. Again, I probably don't know or understand enough to hold a fair opinion, so I'll just leave it at that - Stormcloaks seem like the archetypical "bad guys", Imperials seem like the archetypical "good guys". Is there even a definitive villain in Skyrim anyway? If there is, that'd probably make this decision easier to make. But I doubt it.
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#24 Posted: 21:10:12 27/01/2018
Quote: Chompy-King257
you should side with the nords most def.
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#25 Posted: 23:32:47 27/01/2018 | Topic Creator
Yeah, maybe I should then. At this point, I think I'll just make a save, try both, and then choose which one I like best.
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#26 Posted: 02:37:56 29/01/2018
I always choose Imperial because it protects Whiterun.
Whiterun is the only stable city in all of Skyrim. Markarth has to constantly deal with the Forsworn, Solitude is nothing without Imperial coin, Riften is rife with thieves, and Windhelm is a powder keg of racial tensions. Whiterun has the strongest economy and least political tension of anywhere in the province, and a Stormcloak victory would destroy that, as well as worsen the conditions in the other cities. Also, Balgruuf is the only competent Jarl in the whole damn country, and I'm not about to replace him with a senile old racist. |
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#27 Posted: 03:28:59 29/01/2018 | Topic Creator
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That's a major reason I'm considering the Empire more.
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