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I'm not surprised. That's how the entertainment industry works and, like it or not, the guy's part of it. Not that I really care all that much, since it's just "voice grunting." <.<;

There's no boot, it's just a bunch of recorded grunts they deleted and might just replace with whatever. As someone said in r/jontron, it's better to have the whole debacle on "censorship"(though it's not, he didn't have an english sentence in the game or anything) than headlines of "Children Video Game Has Racist Voice Actor" destroying the game's reputation. I doubt they have anything against him in specific, but in these days, it only takes a sentence.

Freespeech has Free consequences

Mr. Tron comes out with a pretty professional statement on the matter

I'm proud that he didn't blow up over this. I really can't hate him for the **** he said in that debate.

I talked about it at more length elsewhere, but my overall opinion is:

-I hope Jon gets his money back (IIRC he was brought on as he backed the voice acting tier on the Kickstarter). It'd be ridiculous if he didn't, and I think he'd be justified in suing if they didn't give his money back.

-Depending on how Playtonic handles this going forward (especially the money issue), it could kill their image. I think it's rather unprofessional and hypocritical of them as well. I honestly think there wouldn't have been any headlines even if they kept him in the game. That was an arrangement made way before Jon's recent drama, and I never saw anybody asking for his role to be pulled from the project. Worst you'd get is a few small time website writing a rabid opinion piece on it or something.

In general though, I've hated this recent trend of politics creeping into gaming.

Sonicbrawler, don't forget PDP. That time it wasn't even anything more than a bad joke and look what the results were. Jontron gave the media an arsenal of things to destroy his reputation, and with him in the game Playtonic would be taking the blame as well.

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Sonicbrawler, don't forget PDP. That time it wasn't even anything more than a bad joke and look what the results were. Jontron gave the media an arsenal of things to destroy his reputation, and with him in the game Playtonic would be taking the blame as well.

I'd have to disagree with that based on two things:

-As mentioned, nobody was asking for him to be removed. Furthermore, most people (including the media) really weren't aware of Jon's role in the game. If they really needed to be safe, they could remove his name from the credits (which I'm sure he'd agree to do if it meant being in a successor to one of his favourite games - I mean he's been cool about them removing him from the project entirely). It's not like he had a full, distinct, major speaking role. He was gonna be making some audibly distorted grunt noises for a single minor character.

-JonTron is still in a A Hat in Time as of right now. Therefore, this is purely Playtonic Games making their own unprofessional judgement on the matter.

Though there is a chance we may still hear him. They mention in the initial statement that his voice is being removed as part of a "content update", which might imply a day one patch removes his voice and replaces it with another. IIRC the game already went gold so they can't remove his voice from retail copies without a patch. So that's a nice compromise if it is the case. People who want to hear him have the option to, but it won't be the "final" version of the game, technically.

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Welp I know what I'm not paying for now.

whatsthepointofgivingmoneytocucks.

Lmao just because of a couple of grunts going missing?

Jontron's crazier fans and people who boycott anything political aren't going to be the audience though, and never were. People who forget this sort of drama in 2-3 days and kids are.

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https://twitter.com/PlaytonicG...334801934680064
Yeah this make you guys like really professional and not like a bunch of lump dicks.

Fire this PR guy immediately. This is all kinds of no.

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Welp I know what I'm not paying for now.

whatsthepointofgivingmoneytocucks.

Lmao just because of a couple of grunts going missing?

No cause it's another company trying to please a bunch of moral busy bodies who think they know best. And if you say it's because Playtonic is trying to keep a good name from themselfs well I hate to break it to you but it had quite the opposite effect. Even if this is a good game which I going to guess it will be they have alot of mending to do.

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Lmao just because of a couple of grunts going missing?

No cause it's another company trying to please a bunch of moral busy bodies who think they know best. And if you say it's because Playtonic is trying to keep a good name from themselfs well I hate to break it to you but it had quite the opposite effect. Even if this is a good game which I going to guess it will be they have alot of mending to do.

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I think it's Playtonic that needs to see that video, lol.

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No cause it's another company trying to please a bunch of moral busy bodies who think they know best. And if you say it's because Playtonic is trying to keep a good name from themselfs well I hate to break it to you but it had quite the opposite effect. Even if this is a good game which I going to guess it will be they have alot of mending to do.

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I think it's Playtonic that needs to see that video, lol.

actually i think everyone does
jontron's fans, playtonic, everyones just overreacting and being a general douchenozzle

sorry for blaming u right off the bat JA

Ultimately I feel like this won't affect much (the game sales will probably be about the same and the game quality is obviously unaffected), but it's annoying that this kind of controversy had to happen right before release. Hopefully it blows over in the next few weeks so people can focus on the actual game.

Alright, I stepped away from the drama for a second and now Playtonic's PR is acting salty and doesn't want to refund Jon? Yeah, now you can say it'll hurt sales.

Don't worry jantran I'm waiting for my refund too

"A company of diversity"

expect for opinions amrite

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Ultimately I feel like this won't affect much (the game sales will probably be about the same and the game quality is obviously unaffected), but it's annoying that this kind of controversy had to happen right before release. Hopefully it blows over in the next few weeks so people can focus on the actual game.

mixing politics with entertainment worked so well for sony and ghostbusters didnt it? ;^)

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https://twitter.com/PlaytonicG...334801934680064
Yeah this make you guys like really professional and not like a bunch of lump dicks.

Fire this PR guy immediately. This is all kinds of no.

Because the bug's dialogue goes "BBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" and has no NPC dialogue interaction whatsoever.

But the timing couldn't be any worse.

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Alright, I stepped away from the drama for a second and now Playtonic's PR is acting salty and doesn't want to refund Jon? Yeah, now you can say it'll hurt sales.

Don't worry jantran I'm waiting for my refund too

Did Jontron actually back at the "get your voice in the game" tier? My understanding was that Playtonic offered him the role over twitter.

People are saying both, I think he just donated to voice tier out of niceness as well.

I think JonTron is gonna will do a Yooka-Laylee review. At best, he'll be passive-aggressive towards Playtonic if the game is good and tugs as his nostalgia of Banjo-Koozie or he will go all Alex Jones and be extremely negative out of hateful spite as he changes direction of his show since the cat's out of the bag.

It'll be exciting either way like the Tower of Babel beginning to crumble.

But the game will probably still be good and I really hope it'll be successful enough for a physical Switch release.

I mean, even if I don't like Playtonic a bunch anymore, YK being good and sucessful is really important. It's make or break the 3D collectathon genre outside of Mario, again. Hat in Time and friends can't hold it up alone, it needs someone who's known.

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Alright, I stepped away from the drama for a second and now Playtonic's PR is acting salty and doesn't want to refund Jon? Yeah, now you can say it'll hurt sales.

Don't worry jantran I'm waiting for my refund too

Where did they say this?

Apparently they deleted that tweet where they acted rude towards him, but take it with a grain of salt, I was just reading comments elsewhere.

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I think JonTron is gonna will do a Yooka-Laylee review. At best, he'll be passive-aggressive towards Playtonic if the game is good and tugs as his nostalgia of Banjo-Koozie or he will go all Alex Jones and be extremely negative out of hateful spite as he changes direction of his show since the cat's out of the bag.

It'll be exciting either way like the Tower of Babel beginning to crumble.

But the game will probably still be good and I really hope it'll be successful enough for a physical Switch release.

I doubt Jon would be spiteful if he does review it since he seemed pretty cool about the situation on Twitter. That and he seems to at least acknowledge the weight of what he said since at the end of the stream he said "There goes my career" or something along those lines. But then again I don't know how Jon really feels about it, so...

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if you pre-ordered it, think twice

oh my, glad jontron isnt in this Unity mess

Yes how dare you try to have the first scoop on BK after almost a decade, this is politics


Seriously, I'm not so cool with Playtonic anymore, but YK itself hasn't changed. It's MN9 levels of drama but even the Toybox demo laughs at the notion of it being any close game-wise. If you're in a situation like mine, or really don't want to be involved with the issue, do refund; but don't go after people who can ignore it.

Put your hands together.....

Wait... da***? Oh jeez, is this some sort of April Fool's Day viral marketing tidbit? <.>

JonTron dies this April Fools.

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I think it would have sounded better if the composition was more original.

It's so obvious they're trying to just copy the general composition and progression of the DK Rap which hurts it a bit.

The reviews are coming out.

From what it looks like, it's a good game, but it suffers from the same problems the games its homaging had. And also has lots of slowdowns and stuff in the PS4/XOne versions.

So yeah, good game, but doesn't seem like its bringing the genre back. Maybe A Hat in Time and Super Mario Odyssey?

A Hat in Time definately has more chances but it's also a much smaller game(I think?).

But seriously, by Banjo-Tooie the flaws were starting to show. I can go back to these games because I know it was the limit at the time, but if the level design is still non-indicative, the camera is still your biggest enemy, etc etc... So much for a rare-vival, more like finishing a list of things fans demanded.

Jimquisition absolutely shredded it though, which it might be uncalled for - not calling the pitchforks, I mean he really went for what he wanted. Here I go with the analogies again, but even with YK looking like a carbon copy of a good meal, but it's still a good meal.

This is a tragedy. Yooka-Laylee was suppose to help revive 3D platformers but now the AAA industry is gonna look at it and say Platformers still don't sell like they said in the last generation. What is going on in the heads of those in board room meetings at Microsoft? Do they think they could hire a better people to make a new Banjo-Kazooie, to show Playtonic how it's done, or will they decide Yooka-Laylee's failure will have them relieved and stick to the status quo of making more shooters?

Yooka-Laylee is designed like a 1998 game in 2017 and that's not a compliment. It copies Banjo-Kazooie, not evolving from Banjo-Tooie. Let's be honest, a lot of mechanics and design choices in the PS1 Crash and Spyro games wouldn't be acceptable in this day and age. If Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy suffers too, then I don't want Spyro to ever be revived. The people behind the Crash N. Sane trilogy were mostly handling Skylanders, which is a dungeon crawler like Diablo, not a 3D platformer.

Before you say anything else, the Ratchet & Clank from last year was successful because Insomniac Games was constantly making these games. The gap between the remake and R&C Nexus was three years. Whereas ex-Rare employees were trying to get back into making platformers, Insomniac Games never lost their edge and the R&C remake was built with improvements made in the PS3 titles.

I might sell solely on word of mouth. But again, the job is once again back to Mario of keeping the genre alive, unless Playtonic actually learns from this and quick. Kickstarter money isn't going to keep that team forever.

The impressions I heard of Crash is that it's some odd physics update to match up with the third game, and the camera seems to be slightly improved. I think VV might do a better job since, even with the nostalgia fans, they're still known for trying to introduce updates to the games they're given.
Also if you think a 200+ employer team can work on one genre and one genre only, you might want to look things up a bit more.

I'm gonna get the same eithet way. I wonder what the future is for platformers outside of Mario is though
I dont AHiT will help all that much to be honest.

AHiT might help if they market it well(since after 2 years who remembers that game other than fans), because on the gameplay I feel it's much better than YK as it's trying to be well presented and precise like Sunshine.

I'm still gonna get the game eventually, and the game isn't this bad ALL of the time by any means, but...



How did that get by QA testing?

It's not even the obvious, did they just reuse the Casino plataforms on the ice level? Tooie and even Conker at least went through the trouble of recoloring stuff to the world's palette.

It's not as tragic for me as some say. I mean, it's still a good game, only covered by technical issues and some obsolete design choices, but definitely doesn't seem bad, from what the reviewers said. It might be successful.

Remember Playtonic already announced a update to fix some issues and also promised future DLCs after the Kickstarter campaign, so yeah.

Also I might give a look at A Hat in Time to see if it's good. I don't even have to say how much I am hyped for Super Mario Odyssey, right? The only problem is that he sells because of name, not genre, so yeah...