darkSpyro

I spoiled the link, b/c NSFL

at least the 4 teens who did this are being charged with a hate crime. why are people so cruel?

Hey, black people...

Stop giving racists fuel for their fire. Why you gotta make things worse for our already divided nation. Also, stop being racist and then claiming it's not racism because you're black. That is dumb and makes people think you're retarded. Racism doesn't just apply to whites!

Love,
TheToyNerd (A Black Liberal Teen)

Don't forget the huge NSFL warning. If the title isn't enough, for anyone thinking they can watch this without ruining their afternoon, cigarettes are used. That's all you, and I, need to know.

My country is still pretty behind and on the 'black people can do no wrong if they're not forced into a life of crime' bull****. Didn't see this on news outlets today though I wasn't looking either. Monsters are monsters no matter what skin covers their horrible inside.

That is terrible, I can't imagine what America will be during the rule of "President Trump."

Guess someone should start a Vault-Tec and prepare for the nukes.

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That is terrible, I can't imagine what America will be during the rule of "President Trump."

Guess someone should start a Vault-Tec and prepare for the nukes.

what does this have to do with trump being president, though? sure the kids said "**** trump" but the motives for torture are currently unknown. :\

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Pretty sure the kids in the video were part of black lives matter, and while "motives for torture are currently unknown" it's pretty obivous that they attacked the guy because he was a trump supporter that or being white.

feel free to point out other wise. This is a horrible video otherwise no matter the motives.

reading into it further, it is suspected that they are BLM, and that this did have something to do with a Trump Presidency, though nothing has been confirmed by police.

So, Trump being president might have something do with it. Never mind my previous statement.

I just simply have one question.
Why?

I have no sympathy over torture or murder.
None at all.
There is nothing worth killing or torturing another one for.
If everybody could grasp that idea and take it to their hearts, world would be better. Not sure how much.

BLM? more like BAD.

This is disgusting, I just don't understand how people can be that dumb and hateful.

Sigh....I've heard about it as well.

That is so many levels of wrong, there's no number for it.

I don't need this chaos in my life right now.

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That is terrible, I can't imagine what America will be during the rule of "President Trump."

Guess someone should start a Vault-Tec and prepare for the nukes.

This doesn't have anything to do with Trump being president.

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That is terrible, I can't imagine what America will be during the rule of "President Trump."

Guess someone should start a Vault-Tec and prepare for the nukes.

This doesn't have anything to do with Trump being president.

Actually, it does! Because these people were mad at this guy for being a Trump supporter. Did you even watch the video?

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That is terrible, I can't imagine what America will be during the rule of "President Trump."

Guess someone should start a Vault-Tec and prepare for the nukes.

This doesn't have anything to do with Trump being president.

Actually, it does! Because these people were mad at this guy for being a Trump supporter. Did you even watch the video?

Christ

Well, it's as much as blaming crazy people that caused massacres or just plain shot beloved people for the last book they read, or videogame, or whatever. It's just their excuse(though not always voluntary) to do horrible things.

you guys think it's bad now?
just wait until he's actually inaugurated.

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This doesn't have anything to do with Trump being president.

Actually, it does! Because these people were mad at this guy for being a Trump supporter. Did you even watch the video?

Christ

I'm not saying Trump is all at fault. Obviously, what happened is terrible and such, but to say that Trump had nothing to do with it... that's just silly. If Trump hadn't become President then a bunch of crazy, racist SJWs wouldn't have come out of the woodwork to be unnaturally outraged at it and do stupid stuff.

This is horrific. The fact the victim is a mentally handicapped child (teens are still children in some ways) makes it all the more sickening.

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This is horrific. The fact the victim is a mentally handicapped child (teens are still children in some ways) makes it all the more sickening.

I don't know why these monsters would say **** Trump because this sends a false message that all those against Trump are all evil like these bastards. Trump will use this to attack people with left-wing beliefs, ignoring the victim because Trump isn't knowing for caring for the disabled, so the media and internet will demonize liberals to the extreme.

Sorry for that. I'm furious over what happened and these things should NEVER happen, especially in this and age but I also know Trump will exploit this tragedy like with the Orlando shooting to fuel Islamphobia while ignoring the victims.

tl;dr "this terrible thing happend, but lets just hate on trump"

you know, you sort of prove you're own point in a way. you saw this terrible thing and said "hmm, this bad thing happend, how can i attack the right with it"

An important thing to note is that it doesn't necessarily have to do with Trump. They were shouting "**** TRUMP" repeatedly but that doesn't mean the white guy in the video was a Trump supporter.

A few weeks ago playing Overwatch I heard two players get into a massive argument. One was a male who sounded black/Hispanic and the other sounded like a white female. They got back and forth ****talking each other for playing poorly and whatnot, and throwing usual insults (unintelligent was the word of the day).
Then out of nowhere the female accuses the male of being a Trump supporter. Even despite how politics had nothing to do with the argument at hand. Even though the dude sounded like a minority (a series of demographics that overwhelmingly voted against him). She just said "I bet he was a Trump supporter" just because he was telling her to **** off and she thought he was unintelligent.

It's really ****ing easy to curse Trump in any context even if the person it's being used near is not a Trump supporter. And to what I'm getting there's no real proof that the dude was a supporter other than the other guys simply cursing his name out.

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This is horrific. The fact the victim is a mentally handicapped child (teens are still children in some ways) makes it all the more sickening.

I don't know why these monsters would say **** Trump because this sends a false message that all those against Trump are all evil like these bastards. Trump will use this to attack people with left-wing beliefs, ignoring the victim because Trump isn't knowing for caring for the disabled, so the media and internet will demonize liberals to the extreme.

Sorry for that. I'm furious over what happened and these things should NEVER happen, especially in this and age but I also know Trump will exploit this tragedy like with the Orlando shooting to fuel Islamphobia while ignoring the victims.

You fear that Trump will use this to attack the left, but you used this to attack the right.

I get what you fear and I understand but bruh.

Funny Parisruelz, how you use this to fit your agenda, but just by looking up "nightclub" I can see this:

//forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=129954

Not once did you ever offer condolences in this topic. Ever. This is a tragedy, but yet you can't even acknowledge this tragedy? In fact, you made a poorly written post about terrorism with false conncetions and you didn't even call it a hate crime, which is what is was.

What happened here was bad, but you can't brush off what SteveMacQ said without explaining yourself.

Liberals aren't likely to be attacked over this, more than BLM specifically. I would imagine BLM themselves will come out and condemn these actions as extreme and very unnecessary.

Also someone inform me on this one but has Trump even made any comments or points on BLM?

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Funny Parisruelz, how you use this to fit your agenda, but just by looking up "nightclub" I can see this:

//forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=129954

Not once did you ever offer condolences in this topic. Ever. This is a tragedy, but yet you can't even acknowledge this tragedy? In fact, you made a poorly written post about terrorism with false conncetions and you didn't even call it a hate crime, which is what is was.

What happened here was bad, but you can't brush off what SteveMacQ said without explaining yourself.

So instead of contributing to the discussion, you go back over half a year ago to get angry over something Paris didn't say?

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Funny Parisruelz, how you use this to fit your agenda, but just by looking up "nightclub" I can see this:

//forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=129954

Not once did you ever offer condolences in this topic. Ever. This is a tragedy, but yet you can't even acknowledge this tragedy? In fact, you made a poorly written post about terrorism with false conncetions and you didn't even call it a hate crime, which is what is was.

What happened here was bad, but you can't brush off what SteveMacQ said without explaining yourself.

So instead of contributing to the discussion, you go back over half a year ago to get angry over something Paris didn't say?

thats kind of what king pika does for anything that doesnt fit his standards lmao

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Funny Parisruelz, how you use this to fit your agenda, but just by looking up "nightclub" I can see this:

//forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=129954

Not once did you ever offer condolences in this topic. Ever. This is a tragedy, but yet you can't even acknowledge this tragedy? In fact, you made a poorly written post about terrorism with false conncetions and you didn't even call it a hate crime, which is what is was.

What happened here was bad, but you can't brush off what SteveMacQ said without explaining yourself.

I love how you have to bring up a topic that you weren't even here for.

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Funny Parisruelz, how you use this to fit your agenda, but just by looking up "nightclub" I can see this:

//forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=129954

Not once did you ever offer condolences in this topic. Ever. This is a tragedy, but yet you can't even acknowledge this tragedy? In fact, you made a poorly written post about terrorism with false conncetions and you didn't even call it a hate crime, which is what is was.

What happened here was bad, but you can't brush off what SteveMacQ said without explaining yourself.

So instead of contributing to the discussion, you go back over half a year ago to get angry over something Paris didn't say?

That would be right, except it is directly relevant to the topic. They said that bringing up Pulse now is unrelated, but clearly it isn't. All I did was search nightclub and that's what came up about the topic. Not particularly difficult.

And often, it's what's not said rather than what is said.

Edit: Does it matter if I wasn't here? It affected me a rather lot, so seeing this be called a hate crime and not that affects me just as much. They're both hate crimes, which is the point I'm trying to make.

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Edit: Does it matter if I wasn't here? It affected me a rather lot, so seeing this be called a hate crime and not that affects me just as much. They're both hate crimes, which is the point I'm trying to make.

Yeah, it kind of does, since you got on paris for not making comments and offering condolences when you didn't do it either. It's really hypocritical and not okay.
Plus, she never said it WASN'T a hate crime, she never denied that fact. She simply stated that she thought at the time that it was connected with ISIS, which is a huge issue here in the US.

It doesn't seem like you're trying to make the point that they're both hate crimes. What it looks like is that you're pulling receipts on paris when you don't even know anything about her other than a vague idea of her political ideology. Look, I don't necessarily agree with her viewpoints either, but that doesn't mean you have to jump on her for something way in the past. You're just being a general ass, when you should be debating this calmly and logically like an actual adult.

This is flat out awful.

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You're just being a general ass, when you should be debating this calmly and logically like an actual adult.

"SJWs" don't act logically or like adults from what I've gathered.

oh yeah i forgot he was calling himself that

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Edit: Does it matter if I wasn't here? It affected me a rather lot, so seeing this be called a hate crime and not that affects me just as much. They're both hate crimes, which is the point I'm trying to make.

Yeah, it kind of does, since you got on paris for not making comments and offering condolences when you didn't do it either. It's really hypocritical and not okay.
Plus, she never said it WASN'T a hate crime, she never denied that fact. She simply stated that she thought at the time that it was connected with ISIS, which is a huge issue here in the US.

It doesn't seem like you're trying to make the point that they're both hate crimes. What it looks like is that you're pulling receipts on paris when you don't even know anything about her other than a vague idea of her political ideology. Look, I don't necessarily agree with her viewpoints either, but that doesn't mean you have to jump on her for something way in the past. You're just being a general ass, when you should be debating this calmly and logically like an actual adult.

I don't see the issue. If someone can't get worked up over a bunch of gay people dying, how can they get worked up over anything else? It's blatant homophobia, and that type of hatred is unacceptable.

What happened here was both racism and ableist mentality, and as someone who has personal experience with non-neurotypical people in my life. I myself am non-neurotypical, but I would never use it as an excuse because I believe in owning up to one's own actions. In this case, I admit that I did not post anything here. But on other sites? I posted all day. I spent literal hours on Twitter. And in this case, I believe Paris should answer for this hypocritical stance.

However, you don't get to get worked up about ableism and racism and not homophobia and transphobia. That's not how the world works. That's called a double standard, and there are many people with those double standards, like the misandrist extreme feminists who ignore rape on male statistics, or extreme BLM supporters who don't care when something happens to white people. These are the double standards worth fighting for. I assumed my point was clear.

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Edit: Does it matter if I wasn't here? It affected me a rather lot, so seeing this be called a hate crime and not that affects me just as much. They're both hate crimes, which is the point I'm trying to make.

Yeah, it kind of does, since you got on paris for not making comments and offering condolences when you didn't do it either. It's really hypocritical and not okay.
Plus, she never said it WASN'T a hate crime, she never denied that fact. She simply stated that she thought at the time that it was connected with ISIS, which is a huge issue here in the US.

It doesn't seem like you're trying to make the point that they're both hate crimes. What it looks like is that you're pulling receipts on paris when you don't even know anything about her other than a vague idea of her political ideology. Look, I don't necessarily agree with her viewpoints either, but that doesn't mean you have to jump on her for something way in the past. You're just being a general ass, when you should be debating this calmly and logically like an actual adult.

I don't see the issue. If someone can't get worked up over a bunch of gay people dying, how can they get worked up over anything else? It's blatant homophobia, and that type of hatred is unacceptable.

What happened here was both racism and ableist mentality, and as someone who has personal experience with non-neurotypical people in my life. However, you don't get to get worked up about ableism and racism and not homophobia and transphobia. That's not how the world works. That's called a double standard, and there are many people with those double standards, like the misandrist extreme feminists who ignore rape on male statistics, or extreme BLM supporters who don't care when something happens to white people. These are the double standards worth fighting for. I assumed my point was clear.

It's not homophobic... and how do you know she wasn't upset over the Orlando shooting? Just because she didn't post something about it on an online forum doesn't mean that she didn't care about. So no, your point was not clear and was in fact quite stupid.

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Edit: Does it matter if I wasn't here? It affected me a rather lot, so seeing this be called a hate crime and not that affects me just as much. They're both hate crimes, which is the point I'm trying to make.

Yeah, it kind of does, since you got on paris for not making comments and offering condolences when you didn't do it either. It's really hypocritical and not okay.
Plus, she never said it WASN'T a hate crime, she never denied that fact. She simply stated that she thought at the time that it was connected with ISIS, which is a huge issue here in the US.

It doesn't seem like you're trying to make the point that they're both hate crimes. What it looks like is that you're pulling receipts on paris when you don't even know anything about her other than a vague idea of her political ideology. Look, I don't necessarily agree with her viewpoints either, but that doesn't mean you have to jump on her for something way in the past. You're just being a general ass, when you should be debating this calmly and logically like an actual adult.

I don't see the issue. If someone can't get worked up over a bunch of gay people dying, how can they get worked up over anything else? It's blatant homophobia, and that type of hatred is unacceptable.

What happened here was both racism and ableist mentality, and as someone who has personal experience with non-neurotypical people in my life. I myself am non-neurotypical, but I would never use it as an excuse because I believe in owning up to one's own actions. In this case, I admit that I did not post anything here. But on other sites? I posted all day. I spent literal hours on Twitter. And in this case, I believe Paris should answer for this hypocritical stance.

However, you don't get to get worked up about ableism and racism and not homophobia and transphobia. That's not how the world works. That's called a double standard, and there are many people with those double standards, like the misandrist extreme feminists who ignore rape on male statistics, or extreme BLM supporters who don't care when something happens to white people. These are the double standards worth fighting for. I assumed my point was clear.

You don't know her mindset. You don't know if someone close to her died at that very shooting. Or a similar shooting. Or anything. You don't know her at all, so don't accuse her of being homophobic. I can tell you for a FACT that paris isn't. You know why? Because I know her. Every time she speaks with me, she uses my correct pronouns. Every time I bring up something about me being bi, or every time someone else who's LGBT brings something like that up, she doesn't mind. Don't just assume you know her because you read a couple of posts on a forum about a purple dragon.

What does spending hours on Twitter do for the people who were shot, Pika? What does making posts on a forum do? Nothing. Sure, it shows some support for those who lost people. I have a little comfort in that. But how does it make a real difference? How does it make a real, lasting impact? Were you part of a group that donated money to help the people effected by the tragedy? Were you out there helping clean up people's lives? None of us were. We did all we could from the sidelines, but don't act like a knight in shining armor for doing something that amounted to virtually nothing.

Your point wasn't clear, and personally I agree with it, but there are no actions paris needs to atone for. You're making baseless accusations built upon mere assumptions.

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Edit: Does it matter if I wasn't here? It affected me a rather lot, so seeing this be called a hate crime and not that affects me just as much. They're both hate crimes, which is the point I'm trying to make.

Yeah, it kind of does, since you got on paris for not making comments and offering condolences when you didn't do it either. It's really hypocritical and not okay.
Plus, she never said it WASN'T a hate crime, she never denied that fact. She simply stated that she thought at the time that it was connected with ISIS, which is a huge issue here in the US.

It doesn't seem like you're trying to make the point that they're both hate crimes. What it looks like is that you're pulling receipts on paris when you don't even know anything about her other than a vague idea of her political ideology. Look, I don't necessarily agree with her viewpoints either, but that doesn't mean you have to jump on her for something way in the past. You're just being a general ass, when you should be debating this calmly and logically like an actual adult.

I don't see the issue. If someone can't get worked up over a bunch of gay people dying, how can they get worked up over anything else? It's blatant homophobia, and that type of hatred is unacceptable.

As a close friend of Pari. I can safely say she is not a homophobe. Also you pulling out receipts like a creepy stalker for your "equal rights speech" while you yourself didn't post jack in that thread? Unbelievably pathetic. You are completely pathetic when you pull out receipts of other users not doing this (While you didn't do so either hypocrite) just to make your propaganda speech in a different subject thread. I think your assumption/callout is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in my life because of 1 person who was probably being busy with their life and job to help make a better life for themselves in the cruel arse world, decides to not post (or actually forgot to post) something in a thread made in a forum site of a Cartoon Dragon (Not facebook or you know other Social media that handles these things worse). News flash you don't have to post and you shouldn't have to post in the first place. It's completely optional. Posting is optional. Just because someone didn't post how they feel about this and that, it doesn't mean they're a hate filled person. It probably means everything was already said and done and they probably didn't want to sound like a broken record (repeating exactly what others have said). Your type of post nonsense actually brings your cause/any movement to a negative light and makes you look like a prick. So do me a huge favor, do actual research, put some actual thoughts, or just actually stay on topic with your posts. Because these types of posts from anyone really drive me up the wall and makes you look like a moron or as you depict anyone that didn't post in that thread, but on the other extreme.

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Funny Parisruelz, how you use this to fit your agenda, but just by looking up "nightclub" I can see this:

//forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=129954

Not once did you ever offer condolences in this topic. Ever. This is a tragedy, but yet you can't even acknowledge this tragedy? In fact, you made a poorly written post about terrorism with false conncetions and you didn't even call it a hate crime, which is what is was.

What happened here was bad, but you can't brush off what SteveMacQ said without explaining yourself.

or you know, it goes without saying that i did have condolences. i didn't feel like it added anything to the conversation..kind of like this post.

lol, you're bringing up a topic from half a year ago because you can't accept steven's hypocrisy.

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on top of this, i'm not a homophobe. one of my best friends was gay and trans (girl converting to boy..not sure if that counts as a lesbian or not, still kinda confused about it.) of course, the friendship didn't really work out in the end..i don't want to discuss that here, though.

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and if REALLY want an explanation, what steven said was VERY hypocritical. you cannot just say that "Trump is going to attack the left with this!!!11" and then pretty much attack the right with the same thing. It's hypocrisy and I was just calling him out on his bull****

btw, i do feel bad for the kid. bad enough that i might donate to his go fund me,if it's proven to be legit.

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Edit: Does it matter if I wasn't here? It affected me a rather lot, so seeing this be called a hate crime and not that affects me just as much. They're both hate crimes, which is the point I'm trying to make.

Terrorism can still be a hate crime, and vice versa. They're not mutually exclusive.

Side note since when did this become about ableism? This is a hate crime involving race.

Just goes to show how evil some people can actually be.

This is such a disgusting act. I think the most important thing for people to do is to try to understand each other and realize that there are extremes on both sides, and those extremes don't represent the entire movement. All people are just people. They should be treated as such, not like animals or garbage.

I've deleted the last two paragraphs because I know what I said was tasteless.