darkSpyro

I'm just saying.

Food Fight knew it's place and stayed straight to video.

Food Fight tried to actually explain things.

Food Fight's side characters at least had some kind of point to them.

Food Fight doesn't have annoying Minions rip-offs.

Food Fight's villains are actually competent and don't get closer to their goals just because the heroes slipped up.

Food Fight doesn't have pop songs shoehorned into it.

Food Fight doesn't hammer in it's moral to the point where you actually want to go against that moral.

Food Fight at least had some effort put into it regarding it's production history.

And finally, Food Fight has Mr. Clean in it while Norm of the North does not.

For these reasons I hereby declare it should be Norm of the North that is regarded to as the worst animated movie ever made, not Food Fight.

WHO'S WITH ME!?

Yeah.

SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST LENAARRRRRD!

Well, Food Fight is also an amusing trainwreck that looks **** all around, instead of fooling you into thinking it has quality like Norm of the North.

Just saw some trailers. This movie Norm of the North really does look worse.

@AdamGregory03- I'M WITH YOU!

Mockbuster movies are their own category, they're actually trying to be bad half the time.

Ok now you've made me plan my day around watching Norm of the North just to see for certain.

at least reviewing food fight won't get your video taken down by a company that has nothing to do with it.

God I watched that just yesterday, I actually liked it more than some of his recent content because he made fun of his passion and

Then again, it's not new for reviewers especially Mr. Enter.

Eww Mr. enter

As I just posted, the overreaction is actually planned for once and it gets at least funny instead of unhealthily passionate like in most of his movie reviews.

Worse than THIS...!!!?



No. Food Fight is the worst animated movie ever on every fundamental level.

The worst animated movie would be one that's boring with nothing horrible enough to laugh or grimace at. Just like a video game you can have entertaining bad, but when you have something that's the opposite of entertaining, you went against the medium's objective in the first place.

But that Food Fight is a thing of nightmares, that I can't disagree with.

DO NOT MENTION VIDEO BRINQUEDO IN THIS INNOCENT PLACE OH GOD THE NIGHTMARES

Ok so Baro and I just had a double feature evening and watched Foodfight and Norm of the North back to back (in that order), and I'm leaning that Foodfight is the worse film.

Both films are awful, particularly in pacing and writing. Norm feels like it's on fast forward the entire way through and a lot of bits that should've lasted longer or been expanded upon got quickly glossed over and pushed through. The film is less than 90 minutes long so why they tried to rush it is beyond me.
The scene that particularly stuck out to me as the example is when during the climax Norm falls into the ocean and gets stuck under a steel beam, seemingly going unconscious. Within a minute he falls to the water floor, has flashbacks of everyone he knows and loves, hears what his grandfather told him just a few minutes prior, and wakes up and finds the strength to survive and recover. I'm not asking for it to last ten minutes or anything but it happened blazingly fast.
Also Norm has a serious problem with portraying the passage of time. It's not explained how long it took Norm to get popular. And at one point after Norm is accused of endorsing the real estate company and he goes in to complain, he's told four houses have already been built and are being shipped to the Arctic. Either they managed to build four entire houses to ship to the Arctic in a matter of hours between Norm performing at "Rockefeller Center" (which looked nothing like it btw) and going to him later that night to complain, or it's actually been several months since the event and Norm is only now going to him to complain.

But Foodfight is even worse in that the film is on fast forward for most of it (even worse in that just 15 minutes in it feels like half an hour of story has been told), and then suddenly halts and slows to a crawl to show like 30 minutes or so of final battles and food explosions. It's like they did what they could to get the story out of the way so they can then try and show off their animation prowess for the last half hour (a mistake, obviously).

Both of these result in a bad movie. Foodfight has an overly long drawn out climax, while Norm of the North barely has any climax at all.

But at the same time because of how fast and consistent the pacing is, Norm sorta just plays on and swiftly ends. Foodfight, despite being the slightly shorter film (by about 6-8 minutes), feels longer because it suddenly stops.

Even taking out the equation of Foodfight being a "so bad it's good" film (which I honestly don't feel like it is), Foodfight is the lesser film. While it's tough to compare the two in this field and both of them are lacking for the time period, Norm has some relatively decent looking textures, and save for one character the animation is relatively consistent, albeit choppy. Even for 2002-2003 Foodfight would look horribly dated, and the animation is pathetically inept. Baro tells me that apparently during production the director shifted his plans to want a more Looney Tunes-esque style of animation, but the production team was already working with motion capture, leading to this horrid hybrid of two animation styles that don't work out.

Both films fail utterly in the writing/storytelling department, but as far as animation and visuals go, it's pretty clear. Even if it were a college student project from a freshman with little prior experience in the field, Foodfight would be a failing grade. Norm is at least somewhat competent (even if you should still expect better from two production studios).

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Food Fight knew it's place and stayed straight to video.

Food Fight tried to actually explain things.

Food Fight's side characters at least had some kind of point to them.

Food Fight at least had some effort put into it regarding it's production history.

1. Given the stars attached to the film, Foodfight probably would've gone to theaters if it finished production on time. It came straight to DVD likely because it had been so long in production and he just wanted it out there already.
Norm isn't some Pixar quality work, but it still somewhat fits in with the January dumping ground it was put in, alongside past animated films like The Nut Job and Happily N'Ever After (which are also supposedly horribad, but I digress).

2. Foodfight failed to explain how the Ikes come to life. First it's heavily implied they're only alive during the night when the store is closed, but then later on they're alive and running around the store during the busiest hour of the day.
Foodfight failed to explain why the Brand X guy suddenly was transported into the food world, or how the evil lady (who's name I forgot) was able to build and pilot an entire robot, as well as create and market Brand X to such a large degree that it's some well established brand that HAS to go in the store.
Foodfight failed to explain physics, and the motives of several characters.
Foodfight failed to explain how/why Dex and that squirrel guy met each other hours later while his GF (who left specifically to go look for the squirrel) went MIA.

Norm sucked it at explaining things, particularly how much time had passed between events, but Foodfight had more to explain with more outrageous concepts.

3. Several characters in Foodfight existed merely to play into one note jokes or brief gags, and to give the impression that the world was lively and had colorful characters (even though if you look carefully in certain crowd shots, character models are actually repeated, and mostly human too). Mr Clean existed entirely for two jokes; he gets dirty, and he's bald.
Norm's characters still had SOME point to them, even if it was weak.

4. Considering the animation and texture quality Foodfight has, I beg to differ. Even in 2002-2003 (the time period that gave us Shrek and Finding Nemo) this film would've looked incredibly dated and awful. Even if the film actually was stolen like the producer/director claims and it was started entirely from scratch (a plausible theory really), it should've looked better, since they would then have better technology to work with.
So either this was how it was going to look even a decade ago and they had little effort, or they started from scratch and put this out and had no effort.

I've been working with 3D modeling for just under a month now (with free entry-level software), and my textures and detailing already looks better than what's in Foodfight.

I've watched foodfight several months ago, After seeing the Jontron review.

I just watched Norm of the North

You're points seem very well thought out and are valid.

But has anybody actually seen these movies? And I don't mean random clips and reviews but actually seen these movies from Scene 1 to the credits.

^Baro and I just did.

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But has anybody actually seen these movies? And I don't mean random clips and reviews but actually seen these movies from Scene 1 to the credits.

Yes. Kisscartoons.

Am I allowed to link them?

^I wouldn't recommend it.

Yeah. I thought so.

But I got the pages up, so there's proof. It's there, on the internet. You can see for yourself.
But yeah. I've seen them. and am see-ing them.

food fight is one of those so stupid it's fun to watch kind of movies, but norm looks just annoying to me

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food fight is one of those so stupid it's fun to watch kind of movies, but norm looks just annoying to me

I honestly found Foodfight more annoying. Though that could partly be because the audio mixing was pretty bad too (songs suddenly appearing and assaulting the ears).

None of this is to defend Norm mind you. It's not something anybody should watch either.



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Maybe showing how the 'town' of the Ikes is being affected by the food fight, or having Green spend more time in that weird hidden basement?

To add onto this, isn't it also odd how they spend a decent bit of time establishing his Mr. Crocker levels of obsessive hatred for polar bears, only to swiftly drop it after his first encounter with Norm?

I know he's after the money and what's profitable but if he has enough of a vendetta against polar bears to keep one hostage he wouldn't just let go of his suspicion that Norm is an actual polar bear............or really even bother to try and get houses in the Arctic. Why not the Antarctic?

The more I think about Norm the worse it gets, and yet I still think Foodfight is technically worse.

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@CAV (kinda?):

*snip*

And yet Foodfight looks like this:



While Norm looks like this:



Yikes.

i still think that bird looks like danny devito.

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I'm just saying.

Food Fight knew it's place and stayed straight to video.

No it did get released into theaters in some other country (if memory serves) and made about $73,706 at the box office. From a 45 million dollar production, that is a nuke at the box office.

While Norm was a 11 million dollar production getting over 25.5 million dollars at the box office. Also it's animation is bad, but better than freaking Foodfight's excuse.

Well...
I didn't think people would actually take this so seriously.
At least to the point of watching both movies back-to-back.
What have I done?

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food fight is one of those so stupid it's fun to watch kind of movies, but norm looks just annoying to me

I honestly found Foodfight more annoying. Though that could partly be because the audio mixing was pretty bad too (songs suddenly appearing and assaulting the ears).

None of this is to defend Norm mind you. It's not something anybody should watch either.

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Also everyone keeps talking about Norm twerking (and early in the film they even mention him doing so) but the only time he's seen actually twerking is at the end credits?

That's fair, I've only seen Foodfight so I can't really compare them. Foodfight was so awful it was funny to me but I'm not sure I'd want to watch it again

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I'mma let you finish, but go buy this on iTunes, because it blows both of those out of the water-

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oh my god the amazing bulk is gold. after IHE's review i just had to watch it myself with a friend and it's great. how could anyone forget these facial expressions?





but yeah, i haven't seen all of Food Fight, but good lord it is terrible. it's fun to make fun of, but it's terrible. also, the weasel that looks like actual **** makes me kinda nauseous.
also haven't seen NOTN but from what i've heard, it'd just annoy the crap out of me so i don't think i'll bother!

we need to watch both movies together as a forum and then decide

[quote]=[url=http://forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=130992&post=6028829]ZapNorris[/url]]we need to watch both movies together as a forum and then decide[/quote]


This reminds me didn't we have a sort of dS movie night?