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there's a carnival in my town and naturally there are carnival goldfish and everyone gets one. yesterday my sister called my mom asking if we had pebbles for a fish bowl. i literally cried on the spot. like, a lot of you guys know how passionate i am about fish and oh man i seriously wanted to shoot my sister. how stupid is she? how can she possibly look at judas and STILL think fish belong in a bowl? so i spammed her over facebook and i flipped out at her. i told her that he can get over a foot long and it's a guaranteed death in the bowl. i told her we needed a 70 gallon tank for him. she said, "Then he will just die." oh man. oh, man.

so me and my mom went to petsmart and walmart and we picked up a 10 gallon tank, quality food, and an air pump in an attempt to save him from the stupidity of my sister. absolutely unsuitable for a goldfish long term, but it's better than a damn bowl. my mom told me she knew a couple people with ponds and that we could rehome him after my sister moves out in 2 months. my sister was so ok with him dying but she wouldn't give him up to better care because she "wants him." there are a million things i could say about that and nothing could get through her thick skull.

when i got home i pretty much threw all her crap off her table, sat down the tank, and filled it up. that goldfish was still in the container he came in and was floating in the bowl. the lid? shut. he was gasping at the surface so he was obviously suffocating in there. i took off the lid and what do i see? like 7 or so ****ing pellets of uneaten food. good god. i acclimated the goldfish and put him in the tank and set up the air stone to aerate the water. i was planning on getting a filter for him on amazon. he swam around a bit and seemed ok, obviously extremely stressed out so i just turned the light off and left him alone.

this morning, i checked on him and there were, no joke, like 10 pellets just sitting on the bottom from my sister. i really really wanted to kill her oh god. it could've killed him if he ate all of them. but he was acting pretty sick so he wouldn't eat. i presume it was the stress he was in and he may have had ammonia poisoning from being in the container. i thought he'd perk up within the next few days. i inspected his fins and they had tears in them which was probably from the other goldfish he was with. some of his scales were damaged. it's no wonder why he was ****ing stressed. since he wouldn't eat i just added vitamins to the water and hoped that would help him. i then added a half dose of aquarium salt (didn't want to do a full dose because it would've stressed him out more) to prevent infection on his fins and to improve his gills. he spent all morning gasping at the surface. that could mean there's either an oxygen deficiency in the water or he's sick. there is enough surface agitation and i changed the water so there should've been enough oxygen in the water for him. he had something going on with him.

after a while he stopped gasping and started roaming around the tank, but he was extremely jittery. he freaked out a lot. he was so stressed out and i didn't know what to do to help him. then he ran into the current of the air stone multiple times for some reason. i mean, fish pretty much always accidentally do that so i wasn't concerned. but then he floated to the other end of the tank and then sank down to the bottom. his mouth was open the entire time and it terrified me. he sat there still with his mouth still open and his fins were only moving a tiny bit. his mouth closed and he stopped moving altogether and started to list to his side. i picked him up and he didn't freak out or anything. i checked his gills and they weren't moving, he was gone.

i'm so sad about this. i wanted to save him, i really really did. i wanted to give him a proper home in a pond. i didn't want him to die like that. i did everything i could and at least he didn't die in a bowl. at least he died in a tank. i ****ing hate carnivals and their stupid goddamn fish games. it's so cruel and all these stupid people just flock to the damn stand to get a goldfish they will put in a bowl and expect it to be healthy and happy. and when it dies they're just like "oh well." it's an incredible concern for living creatures that are proven to feel pain and have emotions.

this was him this morning. i buried him a few hours ago in my backyard. if i didn't, my sister would have flushed him which is the most disrespectful thing you could do to a living animal. just flush its remains down into the sewers where it rots in human ****. i feel burying them is a lot more respectful.


swim in peace little buddy

TL;DR: my sister is stupid and got a carnival goldfish and i tried to save it but it died

there was this event a few years back that gave out goldfish in ****ing ziploc bags to special needs kids and my mom and aunt got really pissed and emailed the hell out of them and they stopped


but omg i'm so sorry for that fish

i really don't get why people think this is a good idea. goldfish and betta fish are commonly given to special needs kids and i'm like why. it's great, give a fish to a kid without either them or the parents knowing the first thing about them. great idea to disappoint the kid when it dies because their parents don't have the mental capacity to do actual research on them like you would with any other animal.

my friend told me that at the carnival some asshole put a goldfish in his mouth and ****. if i were there, oh god.

That is really sad... But I don't get how the fish died? Am I missing something or did he suffocate to death?

Shouldn't your sister care more for a fish? The poor thing! D:

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That is really sad... But I don't get how the fish died? Am I missing something or did he suffocate to death?

Shouldn't your sister care more for a fish? The poor thing! D:

the fish had ammonia poisoning, i think?

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That is really sad... But I don't get how the fish died? Am I missing something or did he suffocate to death?

Shouldn't your sister care more for a fish? The poor thing! D:

the fish had ammonia poisoning, i think?

The poor dear! I hope its swimming peacefully in heaven!

I hate this self-entitlement complex humanity seems to have. We think we can just do whatever we want with resources and not bat an eye at the repercussions, if they didn't directly hurt us. We're so self-righteous that we think that anything "less than human" isn't worth basic respect or care. Since we're the "most evolved" species on the planet (which is a ridiculous concept in the first place; intelligence isn't "more evolved", because evolution happens based on sustaining conditions that cause populations to change from generation to generation, so basically a goldfish is just as "evolved" as a human, as its species has evolved in a way that kept it from going extinct), everything else is beneath us.

I'm glad that there's reasonable people who understand that this kind of behavior is unacceptable.

You told this to me this morning, but I'm still so upset that something like this happened. It seemed like you really tried to keep this thing alive... I can't believe your sister was so selfish and barely took care of the thing she "wanted" so badly.

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That is really sad... But I don't get how the fish died? Am I missing something or did he suffocate to death?

Shouldn't your sister care more for a fish? The poor thing! D:

the fish had ammonia poisoning, i think?

it was probably a combination of ammonia poisoning and stress on him but stress was probably the biggest reason
stress GREATLY cuts a fish's life span and it can easily kill them. carnival fish go through a lot of stress from being transported back and forth and such. that's why they typically die so quickly.

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That is really sad... But I don't get how the fish died? Am I missing something or did he suffocate to death?

Shouldn't your sister care more for a fish? The poor thing! D:

the fish had ammonia poisoning, i think?

it was probably a combination of ammonia poisoning and stress on him but stress was probably the biggest reason
stress GREATLY cuts a fish's life span and it can easily kill them. carnival fish go through a lot of stress from being transported back and forth and such. that's why they typically die so quickly.

The poor thing! I hope your sister learns to take better care of pets. It reminds me of how my cousin treats 'HER' cat.

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the fish had ammonia poisoning, i think?

it was probably a combination of ammonia poisoning and stress on him but stress was probably the biggest reason
stress GREATLY cuts a fish's life span and it can easily kill them. carnival fish go through a lot of stress from being transported back and forth and such. that's why they typically die so quickly.

The poor thing! I hope your sister learns to take better care of pets. It reminds me of how my cousin treats 'HER' cat.

she has a mindset that whatever is common belief is right. her dog (i like to call him mine because i take care of him more than she does) has a piss poor diet of the typical commercial filler and grain filled kibble. i tell her, this will, in the long run, damage his liver. does she listen? no. "I'm not spending like 50 dollars on dog food."
money or your dogs life? you have a damn job and plenty of money for yourself

a year ago or so she got one of those teddy tanks


these atrocious damn things good lord. she insisted she would get a betta fish for it. luckily that never happened. judas is living proof that bettas do much better in big tanks so i think she has enough sense not to put it to use. that, and the fact that if she ever did i would never let her hear the end of it and i'd take it from her.

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it was probably a combination of ammonia poisoning and stress on him but stress was probably the biggest reason
stress GREATLY cuts a fish's life span and it can easily kill them. carnival fish go through a lot of stress from being transported back and forth and such. that's why they typically die so quickly.

The poor thing! I hope your sister learns to take better care of pets. It reminds me of how my cousin treats 'HER' cat.

she has a mindset that whatever is common belief is right. her dog (i like to call him mine because i take care of him more than she does) has a piss poor diet of the typical commercial filler and grain filled kibble. i tell her, this will, in the long run, damage his liver. does she listen? no. "I'm not spending like 50 dollars on dog food."
money or your dogs life? you have a damn job and plenty of money for yourself

a year ago or so she got one of those teddy tanks

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these atrocious damn things good lord. she insisted she would get a betta fish for it. luckily that never happened. judas is living proof that bettas do much better in big tanks so i think she has enough sense not to put it to use. that, and the fact that if she ever did i would never let her hear the end of it and i'd take it from her.

The poor dog! Is it doing fine right now?

Wait, a betta fish in one of those things? Her poor betta! D:

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The poor thing! I hope your sister learns to take better care of pets. It reminds me of how my cousin treats 'HER' cat.

she has a mindset that whatever is common belief is right. her dog (i like to call him mine because i take care of him more than she does) has a piss poor diet of the typical commercial filler and grain filled kibble. i tell her, this will, in the long run, damage his liver. does she listen? no. "I'm not spending like 50 dollars on dog food."
money or your dogs life? you have a damn job and plenty of money for yourself

a year ago or so she got one of those teddy tanks

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these atrocious damn things good lord. she insisted she would get a betta fish for it. luckily that never happened. judas is living proof that bettas do much better in big tanks so i think she has enough sense not to put it to use. that, and the fact that if she ever did i would never let her hear the end of it and i'd take it from her.

The poor dog! Is it doing fine right now?

Wait, a betta fish in one of those things? Her poor betta! D:

i guess so but he still has the same food and i can't do anything about it. she didn't get a betta thankfully but these things are advertised as betta tanks and it's terrible.

she also blames me for the death of the goldfish :/

why sell the dam things if they aren't good for the fish? =.=

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why sell the dam things if they aren't good for the fish? =.=

they're sold for profit basically. there are many many myths and misconceptions about goldfish and betta fish. you know, the typical "goldfish can live in bowls and grow to the size of their tank" and "betta fish live in dirty animal footprints and they don't like large spaces." those myths have been said so, so many times that it's popular belief among pet store employees and oblivious parents. even though there is countless evidence disproving many of the popular myths about fish in general, people still refuse to believe. they think it's ok to put a betta fish in a half gallon or to put a goldfish in a bowl and only change the water once a week. sometimes you can get through to them and other times these people refuse to change what they believe.

basically, people want to keep the fish. smaller tanks and stuff are cheap and don't take up a lot of room. they believe it's ok to confine the fish to small spaces. fish dies in small tank. the people buy more fish to replace the one that died. profit.

in reality, there are no fish besides bettas that can be kept in anything smaller than a 10 gallon. even then, i wouldn't go below 10 gallons for a betta. there aren't many fish that can even be kept in 10 gallons. the fish keeping hobby is a mess and so full of false information. it's ridiculous.

Just goes to show people don't give a living **** about animals, and that people at carnivals don't care about giving away living animals, they only care about the money.

The stress killed the fish? Reminds me of a fish of mine...

I had a bunch of fish in a really big tank. One of them we called tank bully, and I hated him. Or her, I don't know fish genders and he was always a him to me. He was an angelfish. We'd gone to the fish store and bought him and a white angelfish.

Tank bully was named after the fact that he killed most of the other fish out of stress.

We got rid of him, and I cried every time my fish died.

We flush our fish down the toilet, because then if it IS alive, it swims around and we put it back in the tank. I'm not cruel to fish (I love them, and Finding Nemo was like my whole childhood), I just don't really have a choice in the matter.

my sister wants a betta but i'm afraid she won't know what to do and screw up and

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The stress killed the fish? Reminds me of a fish of mine...

I had a bunch of fish in a really big tank. One of them we called tank bully, and I hated him. Or her, I don't know fish genders and he was always a him to me. He was an angelfish. We'd gone to the fish store and bought him and a white angelfish.

Tank bully was named after the fact that he killed most of the other fish out of stress.

We got rid of him, and I cried every time my fish died.

We flush our fish down the toilet, because then if it IS alive, it swims around and we put it back in the tank. I'm not cruel to fish (I love them, and Finding Nemo was like my whole childhood), I just don't really have a choice in the matter.

i don't know that much about angel fish but with any fish if it's bullying all the other fish then there is either a tank size issue or compatibility issue. it's best to do thorough research on what the fish you want to keep are compatible with.


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my sister wants a betta but i'm afraid she won't know what to do and screw up and

if you need help with informing her on proper care i can help. i have many many resources on betta fish care and my own personal experience.

Man people who treat animals like that are the worst, ans it's just sad how openly selfish they end up being. There's thks neighbor that had a big cool dog that was the sweetest girl - they never walked her, let her alone for weeks to travel, and eventually she died from complications in her legs. Never even talked to them since because I'll probably say I can't expect kindness from them anymore. They even got another dog and will probably treat it just as ****ily, and where I live there's no reliable way to report animal abuse.

I remember being really naive about fish way back then too. Like you said, we fell for the whole betta can live in a fish bowl thing, and everyone in my neighborhood got fish in plastic bags from a party. Three weeks later they all let me "play with them", read dumped them on me and my parents. Swore to never get fish again unless I could take care of them better after waking up to like 6 of them dead across several bowls the next few days - I was a naive kid but at least I learned from my mistakes.

Had a red shark fish once named Bubbles. The reason his name was Bubbles was because we had a skull thing in the tank that had Bubbles coming out of it and he would always swim in the bubbles. One they though somehow my sister turned the water temperature to hot "by accident" and killed him. I don't think she did it by accident, but when I saw him dead I cried. I had that fish for a year and a half, only to go like that, to die by someone who most likely killed him ON PURPOSE.

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The stress killed the fish? Reminds me of a fish of mine...

I had a bunch of fish in a really big tank. One of them we called tank bully, and I hated him. Or her, I don't know fish genders and he was always a him to me. He was an angelfish. We'd gone to the fish store and bought him and a white angelfish.

Tank bully was named after the fact that he killed most of the other fish out of stress.

We got rid of him, and I cried every time my fish died.

We flush our fish down the toilet, because then if it IS alive, it swims around and we put it back in the tank. I'm not cruel to fish (I love them, and Finding Nemo was like my whole childhood), I just don't really have a choice in the matter.

i don't know that much about angel fish but with any fish if it's bullying all the other fish then there is either a tank size issue or compatibility issue. it's best to do thorough research on what the fish you want to keep are compatible with.


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my sister wants a betta but i'm afraid she won't know what to do and screw up and

if you need help with informing her on proper care i can help. i have many many resources on betta fish care and my own personal experience.

The tank was like a hundred times the size of all the fish in it combined...

SIP little fish dude

I love hermit crabs, so I definitely feel your frustration because people see both fish and hermies as cheap entertainment that you can put in a tiny bowl and they end up dying in a week. Hermit crabs need large, humid tanks with constant temperature/humidity control and can live more than 30 years, but because many people sell them for profit in small plastic cages with painted shells, they die very quickly. Sorry, I know this topic isn't about hermit crabs but it pisses me off how people sell these creatures for profit and cause possibly thousands of premature deaths each year >.<

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The stress killed the fish? Reminds me of a fish of mine...

I had a bunch of fish in a really big tank. One of them we called tank bully, and I hated him. Or her, I don't know fish genders and he was always a him to me. He was an angelfish. We'd gone to the fish store and bought him and a white angelfish.

Tank bully was named after the fact that he killed most of the other fish out of stress.

We got rid of him, and I cried every time my fish died.

We flush our fish down the toilet, because then if it IS alive, it swims around and we put it back in the tank. I'm not cruel to fish (I love them, and Finding Nemo was like my whole childhood), I just don't really have a choice in the matter.

i don't know that much about angel fish but with any fish if it's bullying all the other fish then there is either a tank size issue or compatibility issue. it's best to do thorough research on what the fish you want to keep are compatible with.


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my sister wants a betta but i'm afraid she won't know what to do and screw up and

if you need help with informing her on proper care i can help. i have many many resources on betta fish care and my own personal experience.

The tank was like a hundred times the size of all the fish in it combined...

he was probably just aggressive by nature then
some angelfish are assholes

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i don't know that much about angel fish but with any fish if it's bullying all the other fish then there is either a tank size issue or compatibility issue. it's best to do thorough research on what the fish you want to keep are compatible with.


if you need help with informing her on proper care i can help. i have many many resources on betta fish care and my own personal experience.

The tank was like a hundred times the size of all the fish in it combined...

he was probably just aggressive by nature then
some angelfish are assholes

Yeah, we brought the fish back and the guy said something like that.

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The tank was like a hundred times the size of all the fish in it combined...

he was probably just aggressive by nature then
some angelfish are assholes

Yeah, we brought the fish back and the guy said something like that.

angelfish have a pecking order which is kind of like a hierarchy in the tank that needs to be established so there isn't mass fighting. (betta fish have this too when females are put together) if a pecking order was established then the aggression wouldn't be so bad. but like bettas, if the fish is too aggressive then it just won't work out.

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he was probably just aggressive by nature then
some angelfish are assholes

Yeah, we brought the fish back and the guy said something like that.

angelfish have a pecking order which is kind of like a hierarchy in the tank that needs to be established so there isn't mass fighting. (betta fish have this too when females are put together) if a pecking order was established then the aggression wouldn't be so bad. but like bettas, if the fish is too aggressive then it just won't work out.

But why did he kill all the other fish?

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Yeah, we brought the fish back and the guy said something like that.

angelfish have a pecking order which is kind of like a hierarchy in the tank that needs to be established so there isn't mass fighting. (betta fish have this too when females are put together) if a pecking order was established then the aggression wouldn't be so bad. but like bettas, if the fish is too aggressive then it just won't work out.

But why did he kill all the other fish?

i think the hierarchy is only for other angels in the tank so he probably killed them because he's just aggro or he wasn't compatible with them

is SIP an acronym or a typo for RIP?

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angelfish have a pecking order which is kind of like a hierarchy in the tank that needs to be established so there isn't mass fighting. (betta fish have this too when females are put together) if a pecking order was established then the aggression wouldn't be so bad. but like bettas, if the fish is too aggressive then it just won't work out.

But why did he kill all the other fish?

i think the hierarchy is only for other angels in the tank so he probably killed them because he's just aggro or he wasn't compatible with them

Ohh, okay that makes sense.

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is SIP an acronym or a typo for RIP?

SIP means swim in peace
most people in the fish community use SIP after the passing of fish instead of RIP

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my sister wants a betta but i'm afraid she won't know what to do and screw up and

if you need help with informing her on proper care i can help. i have many many resources on betta fish care and my own personal experience.

thanks. whenever we're ready i'll ask for advice.

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SIP little fish dude

I love hermit crabs, so I definitely feel your frustration because people see both fish and hermies as cheap entertainment that you can put in a tiny bowl and they end up dying in a week. Hermit crabs need large, humid tanks with constant temperature/humidity control and can live more than 30 years, but because many people sell them for profit in small plastic cages with painted shells, they die very quickly. Sorry, I know this topic isn't about hermit crabs but it pisses me off how people sell these creatures for profit and cause possibly thousands of premature deaths each year >.<

This reminded me of how I acted as a kid. My mom got me two hermit crabs, and I didn't even take care of them. I was only in my room for a hour everyday, so I couldn't take care of them, and they starved to death. And at that time, my mom kept getting me Hermit Crabs. RIP All 7ish of my hermit crabs. Never again will I treat animals like that. Plus, that was when I Was around 6/7, I learned not to do that.

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is SIP an acronym or a typo for RIP?

SIP means swim in peace
most people in the fish community use SIP after the passing of fish instead of RIP

oh okay


SIP

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SIP little fish dude

I love hermit crabs, so I definitely feel your frustration because people see both fish and hermies as cheap entertainment that you can put in a tiny bowl and they end up dying in a week. Hermit crabs need large, humid tanks with constant temperature/humidity control and can live more than 30 years, but because many people sell them for profit in small plastic cages with painted shells, they die very quickly. Sorry, I know this topic isn't about hermit crabs but it pisses me off how people sell these creatures for profit and cause possibly thousands of premature deaths each year >.<

This reminded me of how I acted as a kid. My mom got me two hermit crabs, and I didn't even take care of them. I was only in my room for a hour everyday, so I couldn't take care of them, and they starved to death. And at that time, my mom kept getting me Hermit Crabs. RIP All 7ish of my hermit crabs. Never again will I treat animals like that. Plus, that was when I Was around 6/7, I learned not to do that.

i've read up on some hermit crab abuse a while ago, it is definitely sad. most of the people who get their hands on hermit crabs or fish are children with stubborn parents that don't want to pay more than what they think is "necessary."

i've been in the abusing animals boat too. when i was 5-7 i had gone through so, so many betta fish and goldfish in bowls. i feel horrible about it. but it's good that we know better now.

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SIP little fish dude

I love hermit crabs, so I definitely feel your frustration because people see both fish and hermies as cheap entertainment that you can put in a tiny bowl and they end up dying in a week. Hermit crabs need large, humid tanks with constant temperature/humidity control and can live more than 30 years, but because many people sell them for profit in small plastic cages with painted shells, they die very quickly. Sorry, I know this topic isn't about hermit crabs but it pisses me off how people sell these creatures for profit and cause possibly thousands of premature deaths each year >.<

This reminded me of how I acted as a kid. My mom got me two hermit crabs, and I didn't even take care of them. I was only in my room for a hour everyday, so I couldn't take care of them, and they starved to death. And at that time, my mom kept getting me Hermit Crabs. RIP All 7ish of my hermit crabs. Never again will I treat animals like that. Plus, that was when I Was around 6/7, I learned not to do that.

i've read up on some hermit crab abuse a while ago, it is definitely sad. most of the people who get their hands on hermit crabs or fish are children with stubborn parents that don't want to pay more than what they think is "necessary."

i've been in the abusing animals boat too. when i was 5-7 i had gone through so, so many betta fish and goldfish in bowls. i feel horrible about it. but it's good that we know better now.

The thing is, my mom told me to take better care of the crabs, that's why she kept getting them for me because she thought I'd take better care of them.Her and I learned our lessons. Now we are seeing if I can take care of two fire bellied toads and one tree frog, (Possibly two,) for a couple months. If I do, I get a leapord Gecko!

Lesson is, stay in your room kids!

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This reminded me of how I acted as a kid. My mom got me two hermit crabs, and I didn't even take care of them. I was only in my room for a hour everyday, so I couldn't take care of them, and they starved to death. And at that time, my mom kept getting me Hermit Crabs. RIP All 7ish of my hermit crabs. Never again will I treat animals like that. Plus, that was when I Was around 6/7, I learned not to do that.

i've read up on some hermit crab abuse a while ago, it is definitely sad. most of the people who get their hands on hermit crabs or fish are children with stubborn parents that don't want to pay more than what they think is "necessary."

i've been in the abusing animals boat too. when i was 5-7 i had gone through so, so many betta fish and goldfish in bowls. i feel horrible about it. but it's good that we know better now.

The thing is, my mom told me to take better care of the crabs, that's why she kept getting them for me because she thought I'd take better care of them.Her and I learned our lessons. Now we are seeing if I can take care of two fire bellied toads and one tree frog, (Possibly two,) for a couple months. If I do, I get a leapord Gecko!

Lesson is, stay in your room kids!

make sure you do a loooooooooooot of research because i do know reptiles need a lot of things to be healthy

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i've read up on some hermit crab abuse a while ago, it is definitely sad. most of the people who get their hands on hermit crabs or fish are children with stubborn parents that don't want to pay more than what they think is "necessary."

i've been in the abusing animals boat too. when i was 5-7 i had gone through so, so many betta fish and goldfish in bowls. i feel horrible about it. but it's good that we know better now.

The thing is, my mom told me to take better care of the crabs, that's why she kept getting them for me because she thought I'd take better care of them.Her and I learned our lessons. Now we are seeing if I can take care of two fire bellied toads and one tree frog, (Possibly two,) for a couple months. If I do, I get a leapord Gecko!

Lesson is, stay in your room kids!

make sure you do a loooooooooooot of research because i do know reptiles need a lot of things to be healthy

I already did all the research, and I am pretty sure I can keep them for a year! I'll ask you if I need help!