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Quote: QueenChrysalis

I've been getting better with the America thing. You've only known me for a short while, but if I said what I thought of America 2 years ago in an uncensored manner, instant ban-hammer. Like I said, I'm a total **** up, which is why I need people's help with defending Muslims.

Even so... If you don't like me saying things about America. I think I have a point when a guy walks up to a woman on a plane, shouts "THIS IS AMERICA!" and rips her clothing off.

Yes, but that's not at all what you started your post with. If this was a case of, "Lol, look at this bigoted idiot. He's retarded" then this thread wouldn't be as hostile, but because you made this post with the message of "YOUR COUNTRY HATES MUSLIMZ!!!!!'!! YOU ALL SHOULD FEEL ASHAMED THAT YOU HATE MUSLIMS!" that's why we're arguing with you. Nobody has an issue with criticism of people in the country. We only hate that you pin it all on us like no other country in the world has idiots or hateful people!

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Most of you aren't making yourselves look any better, especially since ganging up on particular users is a problem.

Posting parody topics based on this in S&N needs to stop. I may not be a mod in this section, but I can easily deal with individuals.

This isn't a case of ganging up on someone. When I called out that issue before it was when someone posted something in someone else's topic stating their own opinion.
She made this topic herself, opening herself up to opinions from other people, and when they did she kept posting.

What do you think continuing this argument with her will prove? If she's done this multiple times in the past without learning from it, why do you think you'll get through to her this time? You're wasting your own time and the longer this continues the more problems we'll get.

So you, as a moderator, are just going to accept inappropriate behavior from a user simply because "that's how she is," yet we're wrong to call her out on it in an intelligent manner?

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Yes, but that's not at all what you started your post with. If this was a case of, "Lol, look at this bigoted idiot. He's retarded" then this thread wouldn't be as hostile, but because you made this post with the message of "YOUR COUNTRY HATES MUSLIMZ!!!!!'!! YOU ALL SHOULD FEEL ASHAMED THAT YOU HATE MUSLIMS!" that's why we're arguing with you. Nobody has an issue with criticism of people in the country. We only hate that you pin it all on us like no other country in the world has idiots or hateful people!

Ok. Can I get a show of hands? Who here actually watched the video, and realizes the title is not my words? Because from what I understand, most of the backlash I am getting seems to be based on the fact that the title references America, when the only reason the title references America is because that's EXACTLY what the guy said. The only part of the quote I changed was adding the word "Hijab" so that people would know what I was talking about.

GG. 10/10. Best discussion. Darn first world.

Quote: Metallo

So you, as a moderator, are just going to accept inappropriate behavior from a user simply because "that's how she is," yet we're wrong to call her out on it in an intelligent manner?

HEY HEY HEY! I wanted this to be a civil discussion, but everyone else decided to bring my own personal problems into this! Also you were one of the people to make a thread mocking me.

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Yes, but that's not at all what you started your post with. If this was a case of, "Lol, look at this bigoted idiot. He's retarded" then this thread wouldn't be as hostile, but because you made this post with the message of "YOUR COUNTRY HATES MUSLIMZ!!!!!'!! YOU ALL SHOULD FEEL ASHAMED THAT YOU HATE MUSLIMS!" that's why we're arguing with you. Nobody has an issue with criticism of people in the country. We only hate that you pin it all on us like no other country in the world has idiots or hateful people!

Ok. Can I get a show of hands? Who here actually watched the video, and realizes the title is not my words? Because from what I understand, most of the backlash I am getting seems to be based on the fact that the title references America, when the only reason the title references America is because that's EXACTLY what the guy said. The only part of the quote I changed was adding the word "Hijab" so that people would know what I was talking about.

Also irrelevant because you've posted multiple times here about the problems in America. That's what the backlash is towards. I watched the video, I see your point, but when you make posts like these you're making it seem like this is America as a whole.

I'm really not sure if you're just ignorant and you genuinely see America as this racist dangerous place, or if you're the best troll on this site.
How about responding to some of the points that have made against your arguments? That's what I was referring to when I said you ignored them. You gloss over them and don't respond to them because they don't fit what you're trying to preach.

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What do you think continuing this argument with her will prove? If she's done this multiple times in the past without learning from it, why do you think you'll get through to her this time? You're wasting your own time and the longer this continues the more problems we'll get.

So you, as a moderator, are just going to accept inappropriate behavior from a user simply because "that's how she is," yet we're wrong to call her out on it in an intelligent manner?

When did I say I was going to accept inappropriate behaviour? You think I'm taking QueenChrysalis's side?

I'm fine with everyone here discussing this in an intelligent matter. All I'm asking is to keep this discussion within the rules.

Okay then. Act like it.


Telling us we're wasting our time has nothing at all to do with the rules.

this entire argument is stupid and it'd be better if everyone would drop it and just let queenchrysalis show the video and perhaps maybe..i don't know...actually discuss the video?

I claim this thread in the name of AMERICA

The ostrich has a point.

Everyone has issues so just deal with, chrysalis hate America and shows it, that's an issue, I can be quite bipolar sometimes, also an issue, think about it, you have issues too so deal with it.

Also I'm not defending her by saying this.

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Quote: Metallo

So you, as a moderator, are just going to accept inappropriate behavior from a user simply because "that's how she is," yet we're wrong to call her out on it in an intelligent manner?

HEY HEY HEY! I wanted this to be a civil discussion, but everyone else decided to bring my own personal problems into this! Also you were one of the people to make a thread mocking me.

You did that yourself. Multiple times, actually:

Quote: QueenChrysalis

If more people stood up for Muslims, a difference COULD be made. Because right now, I'm the only one defending Muslims, and I have done a terrible job of that. Oh my god, I am such a **** up. ;-;

Quote: QueenChrysalis

YES! I hate America (THE COUNTRY). I think it's a crap country and am very glad I don't live there, especially given that I am a Lesbian Furry of Asian descent. But over the years I have separated my hatred of America the Country from Americans the People.

But there is no reason that should be the focus here. I just want more people to help me defend Muslims, and I don't understand why that makes me a bad person.

Quote: QueenChrysalis

I've been getting better with the America thing. You've only known me for a short while, but if I said what I thought of America 2 years ago in an uncensored manner, instant ban-hammer. Like I said, I'm a total **** up, which is why I need people's help with defending Muslims.

Quote: QueenChrysalis

I've been following along since my last post, and everything said has basically been about how I'm a bigot. Which I have nothing to rebut with because it's true.

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Quote: Thunderdragon14

this entire argument is stupid and it'd be better if everyone would drop it and just let queenchrysalis show the video and perhaps maybe..i don't know...actually discuss the video?

Technically, she really started the argument by claiming that we started Islamaphobia... All I said was that you can't fix bigotry except for silencing and throwing people in jail for saying mean things. What's wrong with a little argument on the Internet? We haven't really attacked her baselessly. Just debated!

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this entire argument is stupid and it'd be better if everyone would drop it and just let queenchrysalis show the video and perhaps maybe..i don't know...actually discuss the video?

Technically, she really started the argument by claiming that we started Islamaphobia... All I said was that you can't fix bigotry except for silencing and throwing people in jail for saying mean things. What's wrong with a little argument on the Internet? We haven't really attacked her baselessly. Just debated!

the problem is that the argument has been dragged on too long and it's getting nowhere
just because it's the internet doesn't mean we have an excuse to attack someone without end, even if it's their own fault

Again, this is a discussion. If you don't want to partake then you don't have to, but nobody here is doing anything wrong.
This is a forum, this is the forum's intent. The talk. To discuss.
I don't get why everyone is making it seem like this has escalated into a problem, because it hasn't in the slightest?

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the problem is that the argument has been dragged on too long and it's getting nowhere
just because it's the internet doesn't mean we have an excuse to attack someone without end, even if it's their own fault

What's with you people and mixing up debating with attacking? It's laughable at best, to be honest.

And I don't see how the argument has been "dragged on too long", as most debates are longer than this. (And usually not as civil, mind you)

fair enough then
topic went way off the rails though

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the problem is that the argument has been dragged on too long and it's getting nowhere
just because it's the internet doesn't mean we have an excuse to attack someone without end, even if it's their own fault

What's with you people and mixing up debating with attacking? It's laughable at best, to be honest.

And I don't see how the argument has been "dragged on too long", as most debates are longer than this. (And usually not as civil, mind you)

fair enough then
topic went way off the rails though

Since when has a topic on S&N been on rails? If anything this has been the most coherent topic in a while.

Quote: Bumblebunnii

Also irrelevant because you've posted multiple times here about the problems in America. That's what the backlash is towards. I watched the video, I see your point, but when you make posts like these you're making it seem like this is America as a whole.

I'm really not sure if you're just ignorant and you genuinely see America as this racist dangerous place, or if you're the best troll on this site.

I understand that, but this whole argument only started because Strider had a go at me for insulting America, and I ****ed up by bringing up my stance on America's ideals on Freedom of Speech. I've already admitted that I have problems (REPEATEDLY), I don't know what else you want me to say about it.

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How about responding to some of the points that have made against your arguments? That's what I was referring to when I said you ignored them. You gloss over them and don't respond to them because they don't fit what you're trying to preach.

Ok. The reason I didn't initially was because there was a lot to go through... And then I forgot... But I'll try to get everything in this point.

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First of all the Crusades... They ended in the late 14 hundreds. I doubt any bad blood between Muslims and the west still exists from what happened back then, everything that's happening now is new.

You have a good point about violence and discrimination in Australia, but we try to tackle that kind of stuff. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff people catch flack for saying on TV. It can be a bit much at times, but it's necessary to keep people from developing ideas based on public figures being bigots. Unfortunately other countries aren't so strict, and I believe that we need to more heavily regulate foreign media coming into our country.

I don't know where the thing about LGBTs being discriminated against comes from. Especially given that many people are up in arms against the government's refusal to legalize gay marriage. I've personally been assaulted for being a furry, but my friends quickly came to my aid when that happened.

The part where Mega Spyro talks about what I said in Soccer Place thread, I admitted that was an asshole thing to do (The part where I wrote that didn't seem to actually get posted though :/ ), and I'm surprised I actually said that.

I'm very much up in arms when this sort of stuff DOES happen in my country. But I feel that the only way to fix Australia is by fixing America, because America is where the Australians are getting their islamophobic ideas from. (If Islamophobia existed in Australia BEFORE 9/11, I have no idea where that's coming from)

Most of the times I've caused trouble on this site, I've removed myself from the thread to avoid causing more problems, so I won't always see replies to what I say.

Quote: Thunderdragon14

this entire argument is stupid and it'd be better if everyone would drop it and just let queenchrysalis show the video and perhaps maybe..i don't know...actually discuss the video?

This is what I wanted, but ever since the topic got derailed into a debate about my own personal problems, I haven't been able to get it back on track because every time I try I get called a troll.

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Quote: QueenChrysalis

Quote: Metallo

So you, as a moderator, are just going to accept inappropriate behavior from a user simply because "that's how she is," yet we're wrong to call her out on it in an intelligent manner?

HEY HEY HEY! I wanted this to be a civil discussion, but everyone else decided to bring my own personal problems into this! Also you were one of the people to make a thread mocking me.

You did that yourself. Multiple times, actually:

Quote: QueenChrysalis

If more people stood up for Muslims, a difference COULD be made. Because right now, I'm the only one defending Muslims, and I have done a terrible job of that. Oh my god, I am such a **** up. ;-;

Quote: QueenChrysalis

YES! I hate America (THE COUNTRY). I think it's a crap country and am very glad I don't live there, especially given that I am a Lesbian Furry of Asian descent. But over the years I have separated my hatred of America the Country from Americans the People.

But there is no reason that should be the focus here. I just want more people to help me defend Muslims, and I don't understand why that makes me a bad person.

Quote: QueenChrysalis

I've been getting better with the America thing. You've only known me for a short while, but if I said what I thought of America 2 years ago in an uncensored manner, instant ban-hammer. Like I said, I'm a total **** up, which is why I need people's help with defending Muslims.

Quote: QueenChrysalis

I've been following along since my last post, and everything said has basically been about how I'm a bigot. Which I have nothing to rebut with because it's true.

Literally all of those are responses to people's accusations of me being a bigot.

I don't even know why people are considering this an "argument" because the argument is that I'm a bigot, and as Strider's post has point out, I've conceded that fact over 4 times now!!!

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Quote: Bumblebunnii

Also irrelevant because you've posted multiple times here about the problems in America. That's what the backlash is towards. I watched the video, I see your point, but when you make posts like these you're making it seem like this is America as a whole.

I'm really not sure if you're just ignorant and you genuinely see America as this racist dangerous place, or if you're the best troll on this site.

I understand that, but this whole argument only started because Strider had a go at me for insulting America, and I ****ed up by bringing up my stance on America's ideals on Freedom of Speech. I've already admitted that I have problems (REPEATEDLY), I don't know what else you want me to say about it.

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How about responding to some of the points that have made against your arguments? That's what I was referring to when I said you ignored them. You gloss over them and don't respond to them because they don't fit what you're trying to preach.

Ok. The reason I didn't initially was because there was a lot to go through... And then I forgot... But I'll try to get everything in this point.

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First of all the Crusades... They ended in the late 14 hundreds. I doubt any bad blood between Muslims and the west still exists from what happened back then, everything that's happening now is new.

You have a good point about violence and discrimination in Australia, but we try to tackle that kind of stuff. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff people catch flack for saying on TV. It can be a bit much at times, but it's necessary to keep people from developing ideas based on public figures being bigots. Unfortunately other countries aren't so strict, and I believe that we need to more heavily regulate foreign media coming into our country.

I don't know where the thing about LGBTs being discriminated against comes from. Especially given that many people are up in arms against the government's refusal to legalize gay marriage. I've personally been assaulted for being a furry, but my friends quickly came to my aid when that happened.

The part where Mega Spyro talks about what I said in Soccer Place thread, I admitted that was an asshole thing to do (The part where I wrote that didn't seem to actually get posted though :/ ), and I'm surprised I actually said that.

I'm very much up in arms when this sort of stuff DOES happen in my country. But I feel that the only way to fix Australia is by fixing America, because America is where the Australians are getting their islamophobic ideas from. (If Islamophobia existed in Australia BEFORE 9/11, I have no idea where that's coming from)

Most of the times I've caused trouble on this site, I've removed myself from the thread to avoid causing more problems, so I won't always see replies to what I say.

Y'see, while I somewhat understand most of the stuff you're saying, it's the stuff about the Crusades that tends to rub me the wrong way, just because something occurred early in society doesn't mean it does not have long lasting repercussions. For example, antisemitism has gone as far back as Classical society and during the Black Plague, many religious Europeans blamed the Jews for being the cause of a plague, to say that since the Crusades occurred so long ago hence there's no bad bloods, a ton of radical individuals and groups would beg to differ and in fact utilize the Crusades in support of their racist ideals and dogma. Then again, I could be totally wrong and if I am, I apologize.

If there are westerners who hate Muslims because of the Crusades, well I think that's another issue entirely. Because that's just like Afican-Americans resenting European-Americans for slavery (Which sadly is also a thing).

Quote: QueenChrysalis

If there are westerners who hate Muslims because of the Crusades, well I think that's another issue entirely. Because that's just like Afican-Americans resenting European-Americans for slavery (Which sadly is also a thing).

He meant that it was a trend throughout all of history. People have hated Muslims all across time for various reasons. It's not a recent thing that this is happening. It's happened forever. America didn't start Islamaphobia.

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If there are westerners who hate Muslims because of the Crusades, well I think that's another issue entirely. Because that's just like Afican-Americans resenting European-Americans for slavery (Which sadly is also a thing).

He meant that it was a trend throughout all of history. People have hated Muslims all across time for various reasons. It's not a recent thing that this is happening. It's happened forever. America didn't start Islamaphobia.

Ding ding ding, thanks for making that more succinct for me, I appreciate it.

I can't get 3 sentences into a QueenChrysalis post without facepalming. Literally the first non-op post of hers.
And now I feel like everything I read that she posts is totally avoiding the question, and she's responding just to respond. Just so she can't get called out for not responding, but she's not adding anything to what the other person's thoughts.

@Mesuxelf Don't make it personal.

The only thing i hate are elves!

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And now I feel like everything I read that she posts is totally avoiding the question, and she's responding just to respond.

I'm responding just to respond.. Wah?

If I'm not answering questions the way people want me to answer them, then they need to be more clear with what they want because I'm retarded.

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The only thing i hate are elves!

REMOVE ELF!

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The only thing i hate are elves!

REMOVE ELF!

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Quote: Bumblebunnii

Great job ignoring any intelligent point anyone has made in this post.
This is why you come across as a troll, you spew whatever fits your Anti-America agenda and ignore everything else.

Who says I've ignored everything. I've been following along since my last post, and everything said has basically been about how I'm a bigot. Which I have nothing to rebut with because it's true.

So then why make the topic when you knew you'd get criticism? Why continue to be an all around bigot when you KNOW you're a bigot? You aren't even responding to anyone to defend you opinions, you're either ignoring others viewpoints here or you quote them and say "but america sucks"
I'm Canadian, so I'm not Biased against America, but let me say this, spewing this bull**** makes you a bad person in this context, and it's because you have your eyes so ****ing glued shut that you can't even tell if it's day or night.

Maybe stop blaming a country when every country has problems, how would you feel if I made a topic about Australia, slamming them for every ****ty thing they've done? But guess what??? Even then, it's not a ****ing collective, it's individuals who believe this way. Clearly the people in this topic ALL DISAGREE WITH YOU, do you know what that means???? That probably 8 in 10 americans arent assholes who want to rape their sisters and stuff chicken down their throats while yelling at muslims.
Because these are all STEREOTYPES

Here's an idea, maybe either defend your opinions intelligently and not by just saying the same thing again and again, OR, and I prefer this option, stop. Just flat out stop, realize what you're doing is wrong and immoral and rude and ignorant and stop, because you yourself say you know you're a bigot, so keep it to yourself instead of blaming yourself for being a "**** up" to get false sympathy

EDIT: this was being typed before you responded to BumbleBunnii and actually started defending your opinions

Hoo boy.

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honestly we're probably worse towards muslims than america

The discussion sorta ends with this.

America absolutely has an issue with discrimination and profiling based on muslim faith but from the discussions I've had with Arceus it honestly sounds like Australia is even worse in discrimination, and on the whole is more conservative and xenophobic than the US.

But the US is an easier target, isn't it?

Quote: QueenChrysalis

From what I understand, America has practically zero censorship laws to speak of (Other than, yknow, flashing boobs on a Saturday morning... At least I HOPE you do). So there is nothing you can do about it. But you can counter it, by actively coming together and saying that you don't agree with the Islamophobic Propaganda.

I have literally seen footage of an American News Anchor defend somebody who assaulted a black man while singing about how they hated black people, and talked about how they have the right to say that. The news anchor in this video does the same.

And we vilify these people. Quite harshly, in fact. If just about anything American public figures had to say about Muslims said it in Australia, the public would be up in arms (The proof is in how we react to Pauline Hanson). I don't think I've ever heard of Americans defending Muslims. Basically ever.

1. America does in fact have censorship laws to prevent explicit sexual or violent content, alongside racist, sexist, xenophobic behaviors and sayings. Hate speech is against the law here.

2. The anchor in the video is talking about the right to speak against a religion, which absolutely should be allowed. He's not encouraging hate speech and discrimination towards people, more than the freedom of speech and religion being used to argue against or debate religion.

What he's basically speaking against is the theoretical extreme of me (an atheist) speaking out against Christianity, and then getting jailed because my words against that religion is called an obstruction of their freedom to practice their religion. That would be censorship of an extreme and totalitarian degree and break the constitutional right to practice my free speech and freedom of religion (or lack thereof) just as much as this man ripping off the woman's hijab is violating her freedom of religion.

It's when you take physical action or go into verbal threats and other malicious intent that it becomes hate speech, like the example you provided about the man who hated black people. The anchor in that video (who is hugely left wing I'm sure you know) is speaking for the ability to simply say "I disagree with your views".

Also the anchor you cite about the racism thing is a huge minority and I would bet he was fired on the spot for his words.

3. And we vilify people who openly discriminate against muslims based on their religion or the idea that "they're a terrorist". At least in my city (NYC, you know the one where 9/11 had its greatest impact?).

Discrimination and islamophobia is an issue throughout the nation, but I think, like a lot of these issues to do with discrimination or nationalistic and conservative ideals, this is a much more common thing in the right wing, conservative, rural South than the liberal big cities like where I'm from.

Quote: QueenChrysalis

If more people stood up for Muslims, a difference COULD be made. Because right now, I'm the only one defending Muslims, and I have done a terrible job of that. Oh my god, I am such a **** up. ;-;

Don't be so hard on yourself. You have an opinion and are entitled to say so. It's just that when you get harsh and on the attack about it that people start to raise a stink. It's not even a matter of being against the US because I imagine if someone here was doing the same to Canada, Australia, or any other country that has a large base on this site the same would apply.

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So you, as a moderator, are just going to accept inappropriate behavior from a user simply because "that's how she is," yet we're wrong to call her out on it in an intelligent manner?

I don't think that's what she's saying.

It's perfectly fine to call someone out in a civil and intelligent manner when it comes to things like this. It's just that all too often the entire section gangs up on one user and a few bad apples go the extra mile to make their point by insulting the person personally. So long as people don't resort to something like that or overcrowd the person it should be all good.

Basically don't be a dick in return, which should seem obvious but tends to be lost on people in times like this.

I HATE Racism. My friends are of all races and religions and I be as nice to them as I can. I am not like some Americans when it comes to Racism.

The hilarious thing is that if that guy didn't rip off that woman's clothes in the name of America, nobody would be having a go at ME for not liking America.

^I don't think anyone's arguing in favor of what he did. We all agree it was awful and shouldn't have been done.

The debate is how that incident is being used to generalize the entire population.

Quote: QueenChrysalis

The hilarious thing is that if that guy didn't rip off that woman's clothes in the name of America, nobody would be having a go at ME for not liking America.

No, but we'd be having a go at you for hating on whichever country it was

Quote: QueenChrysalis

The hilarious thing is that if that guy didn't rip off that woman's clothes in the name of America, nobody would be having a go at ME for not liking America.

I like how if that ****** hadn't shot up the neighborhood with his thug friends, people wouldn't have a go at me for hating all black people

Yes, because generalizing a group of people for one individual's actions is totally cool and not at all offensive to that entire group at all!

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^I don't think anyone's arguing in favor of what he did. We all agree it was awful and shouldn't have been done.

The debate is how that incident is being used to generalize the entire population.

I mean that if he didn't say "This is America" then Strider wouldn't have brought up the fact that I don't like America and the title has the word America in it, which means I wouldn't have explained why I don't like America, which means nobody would have ganged up on me for not liking America because the subject never would have come up.

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^I don't think anyone's arguing in favor of what he did. We all agree it was awful and shouldn't have been done.

The debate is how that incident is being used to generalize the entire population.

I mean that if he didn't say "This is America" then Strider wouldn't have brought up the fact that I don't like America and the title has the word America in it, which means I wouldn't have explained why I don't like America, which means nobody would have ganged up on me for not liking America because the subject never would have come up.

Well yea...But you knew he said that in the video, and you still posted it

So your argument makes no sense

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^I don't think anyone's arguing in favor of what he did. We all agree it was awful and shouldn't have been done.

The debate is how that incident is being used to generalize the entire population.

I mean that if he didn't say "This is America" then Strider wouldn't have brought up the fact that I don't like America and the title has the word America in it, which means I wouldn't have explained why I don't like America, which means nobody would have ganged up on me for not liking America because the subject never would have come up.

Would you have posted the video if he didn't say that?

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Would you have posted the video if he didn't say that?

Yes I would have! Because it's about a Muslim woman having her clothes ripped off, and people need to know that this is happening.

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Well yea...But you knew he said that in the video, and you still posted it

So your argument makes no sense

So I'm not allowed to post ANYTHING that makes America look bad? What do you mean by that?

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Quote: Lunarz

Well yea...But you knew he said that in the video, and you still posted it

So your argument makes no sense

So I'm not allowed to post ANYTHING that makes America look bad? What do you mean by that?

No, but why would you post something like this knowing that people would accuse you of just hating America and then start up **** again aft one post calls you out on it. You could've easily taken the high road but you didn't. It's just so... Baffling to me, your thought process.

I wasn't even aware anybody was holding a grudge against me. Now that I'm aware of it, I'll be sure to deal with it as soon as it comes up.

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Quote: Lunarz

Well yea...But you knew he said that in the video, and you still posted it

So your argument makes no sense

So I'm not allowed to post ANYTHING that makes America look bad? What do you mean by that?

I mean, we dont post stuff that makes australia look bad cuz this isn't a political subforum

And ??? I'm saying that you saying that you were only jumped on cuz he said "This is America" is bull**** because you knew he said that in the video