darkSpyro

For those of you who didn't believe what I said about discrimination against Muslims being a problem.

On behalf of my country, I sincerely apologize.

Well, duh... Of course it's a problem! But, there is no real solution for it that I can think of. You can't fix bigotry!

First of all, it's "off", not "of". If you're going to insult my country, at least use proper grammar.

I honestly have no idea what traumatic experience you had to make you baselessly hate America so damn much. What did we do to you?

Like ToyNerd said, you can't fix bigotry. Are you seriously telling me that absolutely no one in the entire rest of the world shares that viewpoint? There are bigots everywhere, trust me. You just aren't trying hard enough to find them. I guarantee there's someone in Australia who would have done the exact same thing. Sure, this guy is American. Sure, people like Trump say these kinds of things and casually get away with it. But blaming this entire problem on America is ridiculous. Discrimination towards Muslims is a problem, not just here, but everywhere in the world.

honestly we're probably worse towards muslims than america

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First of all, it's "off", not "of".

Derp. Thanks for pointing that out.

Second of all, I am not insulting your country, the title is what he says! His exact words are "Take it off now. This is America."

As for everything else you said, I think that is the number one most piss poor excuse I've ever heard in my life! Islamophobia originated in America. It is all your fault, ever since you decided that you wanted Afghanistan's oil! Even outside of your country, because believe it or not your anti-Islamic propaganda travels. You do not have the right to just shrug your shoulders and say "**** happens, you can't stop bigotry."

Even the Americans who aren't bigots are at fault for defending bigotry, saying that they're just exercising their "Freedom of Speech" or some **** like that. What the **** even is "Freedom of Speech"? From over here it just looks like an excuse to say and do what ever you damn well please, regardless of who it effects or hurts.

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First of all, it's "off", not "of".

Derp. Thanks for pointing that out.

Second of all, I am not insulting your country, the title is what he says! His exact words are "Take it off now. This is America."

As for everything else you said, I think that is the number one most piss poor excuse I've ever heard in my life! Islamophobia originated in America. It is all your fault, ever since you decided that you wanted Afghanistan's oil! Even outside of your country, because believe it or not your anti-Islamic propaganda travels. You do not have the right to just shrug your shoulders and say "**** happens, you can't stop bigotry."

Even the Americans who aren't bigots are at fault for defending bigotry, saying that they're just exercising their "Freedom of Speech" or some **** like that. What the **** even is "Freedom of Speech"? From over here it just looks like an excuse to say and do what ever you damn well please, regardless of who it effects or hurts.

Yeah... Exactly? Should we just start policing language because someone doesn't like it? What sense does that make.

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Yeah... Exactly? Should we just start policing language because someone doesn't like it? What sense does that make.

Are you suggesting that stopping the media from hammering into the minds of the public the idea that all Muslims are dangerous extremists is the equivalent of policing language?

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Quote: TheToyNerd

Yeah... Exactly? Should we just start policing language because someone doesn't like it? What sense does that make.

Are you suggesting that stopping the media from hammering into the minds of the public the idea that all Muslims are dangerous extremists is the equivalent of policing language?

The damage has already been done, though. You can't undo Post 9/11 Fear Mongering. And how do you "Stop the Media"... Sign a petition?

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Quote: StriderSwag

First of all, it's "off", not "of".

Derp. Thanks for pointing that out.

Second of all, I am not insulting your country, the title is what he says! His exact words are "Take it off now. This is America."

As for everything else you said, I think that is the number one most piss poor excuse I've ever heard in my life! Islamophobia originated in America. It is all your fault, ever since you decided that you wanted Afghanistan's oil! Even outside of your country, because believe it or not your anti-Islamic propaganda travels. You do not have the right to just shrug your shoulders and say "**** happens, you can't stop bigotry."

Even the Americans who aren't bigots are at fault for defending bigotry, saying that they're just exercising their "Freedom of Speech" or some **** like that. What the **** even is "Freedom of Speech"? From over here it just looks like an excuse to say and do what ever you damn well please, regardless of who it effects or hurts.

How the hell are americans who aren't bigots defending bigotry? Like, I hate people like Trump, and I'd never vote for him, how the hell am I defending bigotry?

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Quote: StriderSwag

First of all, it's "off", not "of".

Derp. Thanks for pointing that out.

Second of all, I am not insulting your country, the title is what he says! His exact words are "Take it off now. This is America."

As for everything else you said, I think that is the number one most piss poor excuse I've ever heard in my life! Islamophobia originated in America. It is all your fault, ever since you decided that you wanted Afghanistan's oil! Even outside of your country, because believe it or not your anti-Islamic propaganda travels. You do not have the right to just shrug your shoulders and say "**** happens, you can't stop bigotry."

Even the Americans who aren't bigots are at fault for defending bigotry, saying that they're just exercising their "Freedom of Speech" or some **** like that. What the **** even is "Freedom of Speech"? From over here it just looks like an excuse to say and do what ever you damn well please, regardless of who it effects or hurts.

Then he's insulting my country.

Actually, Islamophobic beliefs originated well before 9/11, we know that from history. Do you really think the Crusades, which happened in the late 11th century and well before America was even discovered, weren't Islamophobic?

Excuse me, but my fault? I didn't want Afghanistan's oil, I was only 4 when 9/11 happened. My entire generation was too young to have wanted that when it happened. Our choices were made for us, and while we don't necessarily agree with them, we aren't the ones who made those choices. The people who the last generation elected are at fault, not the ones who are growing up having to live with the sins of our fathers.

Those people have a skewed perception of Freedom of Speech. When that was amended in the Constitution, it was to make sure the citizens wouldn't get prosecuted for speaking out against a tyrannical government. The people who claim hate speech is Freedom of Speech are taking advantage of the system.

The world isn't nearly as black and white as you think it is.

Quote: arceustheprime

honestly we're probably worse towards muslims than america

Also don't forget about this.

Yes, racism is everywhere and it isn't just against Muslims. Just after everything that's happened like 9/11, ISIS bombings, and the War in Afghan, it's become more common than it use to be against Muslims in particular. Still, it isn't like just being Muslim and walking around town is going to have every single person you pass give you dirty glares or a hateful remark. No matter who you are, someone is always going to try to get you down for being different than they are due to bigotry.

The human race is horrible in general and you're honestly going to tell me the Americans are the worst? We aren't perfect, I'll admit it, but we're no worse than any other country when it comes to racism and there's others that are worse in this regard. And it says immediately in the video that he was arrested for it. Doesn't that alone prove it isn't tolerated? The news reporters even say how deplorable this behavior is. It's not like the government openly allows such racism to be conducted.

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The damage has already been done, though. You can't undo Post 9/11 Fear Mongering. And how do you "Stop the Media"... Sign a petition?

From what I understand, America has practically zero censorship laws to speak of (Other than, yknow, flashing boobs on a Saturday morning... At least I HOPE you do). So there is nothing you can do about it. But you can counter it, by actively coming together and saying that you don't agree with the Islamophobic Propaganda.

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How the hell are americans who aren't bigots defending bigotry? Like, I hate people like Trump, and I'd never vote for him, how the hell am I defending bigotry?

I have literally seen footage of an American News Anchor defend somebody who assaulted a black man while singing about how they hated black people, and talked about how they have the right to say that. The news anchor in this video does the same.

Quote: Spyro Fanatic

You start of with saying you're not insulting her country, yet a few sentences later you blame America for starting the problem with no solid evidence. It doesn't matter weather or not that statement is true in your argument, you've contradicted yourself.

Not many people will take you seriously in an argument if you lie straight to their face.

I thought it was obvious that I was talking about the title. I do think the US, as a western nation, is completely borked, but in this one instance they are doing my job for me.

There is no-where else this hatred of Muslims could have come from. Europe's complete incompetence when it comes to dealing with Muslim Immigrants is a major contributor, but it all started with the 9/11 hate mongering.

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Quote: arceustheprime

honestly we're probably worse towards muslims than america

Also don't forget about this.

And we vilify these people. Quite harshly, in fact. If just about anything American public figures had to say about Muslims said it in Australia, the public would be up in arms (The proof is in how we react to Pauline Hanson). I don't think I've ever heard of Americans defending Muslims. Basically ever.

Quote: QueenChrysalis

Islamophobia originated in America.

You sure about that?


Look, America has its problems. Speaking as someone who plans on joining our military and quite literally defending the country, I'll be the first to say that. But you'll never convince me that we as a collective identity are evil. While our establishment has certainly done some evil things (I'll definitely agree that the War on Terror was pretty sketch under the Bush administration), I'll say that we're starting to open up more and more with each day. And yes, there are definitely idiots like the man in the story (my best friend is a Muslim, I hate Islamophobia as much as a white guy possibly can), but there are idiots everywhere. Please don't let a few bad apples spoil the orchard.


TBH, I'm starting to think your anti-Americanism is just a gimmick to be edgy and get attention. So I'm not taking you that seriously.

Why do all the big arguments happen in the stuff and nonsense section?

Also I don't even see the point in racism towards Muslims! All the problem seems to be happening with the extremists! Blaming the ENTIRE religion because of extremists is stupid and pointless! Can someone please explain to me why people blame the whole religion rather than the extremists?

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Quote: TheToyNerd

The damage has already been done, though. You can't undo Post 9/11 Fear Mongering. And how do you "Stop the Media"... Sign a petition?

From what I understand, America has practically zero censorship laws to speak of (Other than, yknow, flashing boobs on a Saturday morning... At least I HOPE you do). So there is nothing you can do about it. But you can counter it, by actively coming together and saying that you don't agree with the Islamophobic Propaganda.

And lots of people don't agree with this kind of hate speech against all muslims, your point?

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Quote: mega spyro

How the hell are americans who aren't bigots defending bigotry? Like, I hate people like Trump, and I'd never vote for him, how the hell am I defending bigotry?

I have literally seen footage of an American News Anchor defend somebody who assaulted a black man while singing about how they hated black people, and talked about how they have the right to say that. The news anchor in this video does the same.

And that means ALL americans defend bigotry?

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Quote: Spyro Fanatic

You start of with saying you're not insulting her country, yet a few sentences later you blame America for starting the problem with no solid evidence. It doesn't matter weather or not that statement is true in your argument, you've contradicted yourself.

Not many people will take you seriously in an argument if you lie straight to their face.

I thought it was obvious that I was talking about the title. I do think the US, as a western nation, is completely borked, but in this one instance they are doing my job for me.

There is no-where else this hatred of Muslims could have come from. Europe's complete incompetence when it comes to dealing with Muslim Immigrants is a major contributor, but it all started with the 9/11 hate mongering.

"Your job?" Jesus Christ, why the hell is it your personal mission to attack America? What is it that makes the USA so terrible it is the only place that all this hatred towards muslims?

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Quote: arceustheprime

honestly we're probably worse towards muslims than america

Also don't forget about this.

And we vilify these people. Quite harshly, in fact. If just about anything American public figures had to say about Muslims said it in Australia, the public would be up in arms (The proof is in how we react to Pauline Hanson). I don't think I've ever heard of Americans defending Muslims. Basically ever.

But just because you've never heard an american defend muslims, does that mean it doesn't happen at all?

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Quote: QueenChrysalis

Islamophobia originated in America.

You sure about that?


Look, America has its problems. Speaking as someone who plans on joining our military and quite literally defending the country, I'll be the first to say that. But you'll never convince me that we as a collective identity are evil. While our establishment has certainly done some evil things (I'll definitely agree that the War on Terror was pretty sketch under the Bush administration), I'll say that we're starting to open up more and more with each day. And yes, there are definitely idiots like the man in the story (my best friend is a Muslim, I hate Islamophobia as much as a white guy possibly can), but there are idiots everywhere. Please don't let a few bad apples spoil the orchard.


TBH, I'm starting to think your anti-Americanism is just a gimmick to be edgy and get attention. So I'm not taking you that seriously.

Di...Did I just agree with Metallo?

If anything it's the media's fault because they're brainwashing people by showing sensationalist stories like this instead of, y'know, doing objective reporting.

Call me a conspiracy nut if you want, but I firmly believe that the amount of time news outlets (Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post, etc.) have wrongfully given to overanalyzing isolated incidents and (to a much greater degree) hateful comments made by Trump and his supporters have not only clearly professed these ideas to be okay (because they'll have so-called pundits "defending" the actions), but also repeatedly exposed people to the stuff to such a great degree that they start to believe in the stuff they're hearing. If they simply reported that, say, there was a racially motivated killing, giving only factual details but no opinions, and then moved on to the next story, it wouldn't be a problem.

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Quote: Metallo

Quote: QueenChrysalis

Islamophobia originated in America.

You sure about that?


Look, America has its problems. Speaking as someone who plans on joining our military and quite literally defending the country, I'll be the first to say that. But you'll never convince me that we as a collective identity are evil. While our establishment has certainly done some evil things (I'll definitely agree that the War on Terror was pretty sketch under the Bush administration), I'll say that we're starting to open up more and more with each day. And yes, there are definitely idiots like the man in the story (my best friend is a Muslim, I hate Islamophobia as much as a white guy possibly can), but there are idiots everywhere. Please don't let a few bad apples spoil the orchard.


TBH, I'm starting to think your anti-Americanism is just a gimmick to be edgy and get attention. So I'm not taking you that seriously.

Di...Did I just agree with Metallo?

I do too.

And look, if you want to talk about how America started Islamophobia, first off 1) Read a history book because as Metallo and StriderSwag said the Crusades was a thing and 2) Literally the first paragraph of the Islamophobia in Australia wiki says that "Islamophobia and intolerance towards Muslims occurred prior to the September 11 attacks on the United States." Which is what I assume you believe started Islamophobia.

Not to mention the reason why America is on such high alert is because we killed a high powered terrorist leader whom we didn't even give a proper burial to. We dumped his body in the ocean, so OF COURSE we're gonna be scared that MORE terrorist attacks will happen.

Look, I'm not happy with visual profiling and attacking Muslim people, because ISIS is destroying Muslim sanctuaries too so we shouldn't base terrorism off of that, but what I am saying is that we do have a good reason to be so scared.

Compared to France....well I guess not anymore. Before the attacks in Paris and Belgium, there was tons of Islamophobia in France. Lots of Muslim people were eloping into their society, due to the ****storm in the Middle East. However they weren't speaking French or doing any Frenchy things, so this made the French very very angry because they are prideful people. So they had tons of rallies and stuff to try to kick them out, all because they weren't speaking French??? which is dumb????

If more people stood up for Muslims, a difference COULD be made. Because right now, I'm the only one defending Muslims, and I have done a terrible job of that. Oh my god, I am such a **** up. ;-;

^@Flying Seal French can be like that, not just towards Muslims. They hate tourists in general who come over and either don't try to speak the language or fumble through it with a guide book. If you try to respect their culture and at least attempt to speak French without some little pocket translator guide, they shouldn't get as pissy, but they are rather known to be that way with foreigners.

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^@Flying Seal French can be like that, not just towards Muslims. They hate tourists in general who come over and either don't try to speak the language or fumble through it with a guide book. If you try to respect their culture and at least attempt to speak French without some little pocket translator guide, they shouldn't get as pissy, but they are rather known to be that way with foreigners.

Ye I know! My family is French so I know what's up, they basically believe that once you live in France, then you're French. This means speaking the language and assimilating into the culture. On one hand, this means less racism and discrimination which is good! On the other, it can also be very discriminatory towards people who have trouble getting used to their culture, especially Muslims who have a very different culture and, in this case, are trying to live their lives without fear of war and death.

I know exactly what you mean, my dude. But I'm just using current events as an example that maybe America ISN'T the only country who hates Muslims.

I don't think people realize the title of the thread is the exact words spoken by the offender mentioned in the video.

I want to make a couple of things clear:

YES! I hate America (THE COUNTRY). I think it's a crap country and am very glad I don't live there, especially given that I am a Lesbian Furry of Asian descent. But over the years I have separated my hatred of America the Country from Americans the People.

But there is no reason that should be the focus here. I just want more people to help me defend Muslims, and I don't understand why that makes me a bad person.

Quote: QueenChrysalis

I don't think people realize the title of the thread is the exact words spoken by the offender mentioned in the video.

I want to make a couple of things clear:

YES! I hate America (THE COUNTRY). I think it's a crap country and am very glad I don't live there, especially given that I am a Lesbian Furry of Asian descent. But over the years I have separated my hatred of America the Country from Americans the People.

But there is no reason that should be the focus here. I just want more people to help me defend Muslims, and I don't understand why that makes me a bad person.

.........I'm 99% sure you're a troll now.

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Quote: QueenChrysalis

I don't think people realize the title of the thread is the exact words spoken by the offender mentioned in the video.

I want to make a couple of things clear:

YES! I hate America (THE COUNTRY). I think it's a crap country and am very glad I don't live there, especially given that I am a Lesbian Furry of Asian descent. But over the years I have separated my hatred of America the Country from Americans the People.

But there is no reason that should be the focus here. I just want more people to help me defend Muslims, and I don't understand why that makes me a bad person.

.........I'm 99% sure you're a troll now.

I assure you I'm not trolling. This is honestly what I want.

If you want to see me trolling, see the Spoon thread.

Quote: QueenChrysalis

I don't think people realize the title of the thread is the exact words spoken by the offender mentioned in the video.

I want to make a couple of things clear:

YES! I hate America (THE COUNTRY). I think it's a crap country and am very glad I don't live there, especially given that I am a Lesbian Furry of Asian descent. But over the years I have separated my hatred of America the Country from Americans the People.

But there is no reason that should be the focus here. I just want more people to help me defend Muslims, and I don't understand why that makes me a bad person.

See, I don't think that the issue is about you wanting to defend Muslims, the issue is your unabashed hatred of the US coupled by reasoning that makes it seem like you're ****posting. I mean hey, if you want someone to help you defend Muslims, I am one, and even I know the claim that Islamaphobia originated in the US is false, especially considering the historical precedent regarding Islam and the world.

Chrysalis you sure point the finger at the US a lot, but can we talk for a second about all of the LGBT homicides in Australia?
Or about how roughly half of disabled Australians live below the poverty line because they're treated so poorly?

I've said this before on here the very few times I've gotten into discussions like this, the United States is a free country. That means that our every move isn't policed by the government and we have luxuries like the freedom of speech. Something that you're expressing when you spew hate against my country all the time. Freedom of speech applies to hate speech as well, because we're human beings not government cronies. With safety and freedom, there is give and take. You can't be totally free and totally safe, it just doesn't work that way. The United States has chosen to allow it's citizens more freedom by letting us say and do as we please unless we're actually harming another living thing or infringing on someone else's rights. Please tell me how this isn't a good standard set in place, because all of the reasons you have given so far are bull****.

Australia has murderers, and racists, and all sorts of other various criminals. Your treatment towards the LGBT community has been gross, especially towards the LGBT youth. So how about you fix your own country before trying to fix someone else's? But if you're really that adamant about how terrible the US is,, do something about it. Because ranting once a day over the internet, especially a subforum of a Spyro website, does nothing.

Quote: QueenChrysalis

I don't think people realize the title of the thread is the exact words spoken by the offender mentioned in the video.

I want to make a couple of things clear:

YES! I hate America (THE COUNTRY). I think it's a crap country and am very glad I don't live there, especially given that I am a Lesbian Furry of Asian descent. But over the years I have separated my hatred of America the Country from Americans the People.

But there is no reason that should be the focus here. I just want more people to help me defend Muslims, and I don't understand why that makes me a bad person.

It's not the problem of you wanting people to defend muslims, it's the problem of how all you say is basically just "goddamn america sucks and I here it."


Especially when you post messages like this:

Quote: QueenChrysalis

Probably for being Black/Muslim.

That quote is from a topic where I posted that I got kicked out of an indoor soccer place, and you immediately posted that, out of nowhere.

Just going to put this out there, I've heard people say that England is more free than America.

Also, bumblebunii, you're annoyed at chrysalis at blaming everything on America whilst you are doing the same thing to Australia.

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Just going to put this out there, I've heard people say that England is more free than America.

Also, bumblebunii, you're annoyed at chrysalis at blaming everything on America whilst you are doing the same thing to Australia.

I think she's doing it to show Chrysalis how stupid she sounds. She doesn't really mean it.

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Just going to put this out there, I've heard people say that England is more free than America.

Also, bumblebunii, you're annoyed at chrysalis at blaming everything on America whilst you are doing the same thing to Australia.

But isn't her main point to refute the fact that America is completely horrible by pulling up parallels to Australia? It's a tad hypocritical to demonize one country when one's own country has issues, y'know?

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Just going to put this out there, I've heard people say that England is more free than America.

Also, bumblebunii, you're annoyed at chrysalis at blaming everything on America whilst you are doing the same thing to Australia.

Except she's not? She just making a point that Chrysalis is blaming everything on America yet ignoring everything that's wrong with her own country. Bumbebunii probably couldn't care less about what kind crime and other bad stuff is at Australia

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Just going to put this out there, I've heard people say that England is more free than America.

Also, bumblebunii, you're annoyed at chrysalis at blaming everything on America whilst you are doing the same thing to Australia.

Where did I "Blame everything on Australia"? I literally said that they have problems too.

Calm down! I'm just saying that it sounded rather hypocritical from how I'm seeing it!

okay can i just point out how we all defended Bumblebunnii at the same time?? god bless, we gotchu homegirl

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Just going to put this out there, I've heard people say that England is more free than America.

Also, bumblebunii, you're annoyed at chrysalis at blaming everything on America whilst you are doing the same thing to Australia.

Freedom is a subjective concept.

Also, Bumblebunnii hasn't been doing it for weeks on end.

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Calm down! I'm just saying that it sounded rather hypocritical from how I'm seeing it!

And we're just explaining how it isn't. No one's attacking you.

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Most of you aren't making yourselves look any better, especially since ganging up on particular users is a problem.

Posting parody topics based on this in S&N needs to stop. I may not be a mod in this section, but I can easily deal with individuals.

This isn't a case of ganging up on someone. When I called out that issue before it was when someone posted something in someone else's topic stating their own opinion.
She made this topic herself, opening herself up to opinions from other people, and when they did she kept posting.

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Most of you aren't making yourselves look any better, especially since ganging up on particular users is a problem.

Posting parody topics based on this in S&N needs to stop. I may not be a mod in this section, but I can easily deal with individuals.

A forum is not a hugbox.

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Quote: Spyro Fanatic

Most of you aren't making yourselves look any better, especially since ganging up on particular users is a problem.

Posting parody topics based on this in S&N needs to stop. I may not be a mod in this section, but I can easily deal with individuals.

A forum is not a hugbox.

pSSSHHhh that's what you think *hugs u*

I've been getting better with the America thing. You've only known me for a short while, but if I said what I thought of America 2 years ago in an uncensored manner, instant ban-hammer. Like I said, I'm a total **** up, which is why I need people's help with defending Muslims.

Even so... If you don't like me saying things about America. I think I have a point when a guy walks up to a woman on a plane, shouts "THIS IS AMERICA!" and rips her clothing off.

Either way, blaming specific countries due to hate/their issues isn't going to change the fact that there is islamophobia in most countries and some form of racism in all countries.

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I've been getting better with the America thing. You've only known me for a short while, but if I said what I thought of America 2 years ago in an uncensored manner, instant ban-hammer.

Even so... If you don't like me saying things about America. I think I have a point when a guy walks up to a woman on a plane, shouts "THIS IS AMERICA!" and rips her clothing off.

Great job ignoring any intelligent point anyone has made in this post.
This is why you come across as a troll, you spew whatever fits your Anti-America agenda and ignore everything else.

Also my argument against her's isn't "proving" anything. This is a forum open for discussion.
I haven't insulted anyone or taken anything too far, and if I happen to then gnorc me.

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Great job ignoring any intelligent point anyone has made in this post.
This is why you come across as a troll, you spew whatever fits your Anti-America agenda and ignore everything else.

Who says I've ignored everything. I've been following along since my last post, and everything said has basically been about how I'm a bigot. Which I have nothing to rebut with because it's true.