darkSpyro

So, as you know I was Gnorc'd, why, you ask? Well I have no idea tbph. Here's what happened.
> Legendary Pokemon is released
> Everyone says based on bat
> Windumup says we're wrong it's based on a Wyvern
> Several people go after her on this, me being one of them, I am admittedly a jerk to her but to be fair I would have been a jerk had it been anyone, I was just annoyed at the time and should have thought before posting
>I get no warning whatsoever via MM
> Windumup is banned
> I get banned

I don't really fully grasp why this happened, A problem that easily could have been solved with an MM was solved with an unnecessary Gnorc, windumup also didn't deserve a Gnorc, especially compared to me, and I apologize to her that this happened.
Anyways, I was, as CAV put it "Put on a time out" Lmao what???? I didn't do anything worthy of a ban, arguments happen all the time and much worse things are said such as direct insults and page long arguments, so imo I really did not deserve a ban, and neither did Windumup. (However looking back I was a jerk and could have been much nicer, obviously annoyance took over, but I can admit that and I apologize to Windumup for that, I should've been more civil looking back and can see why I would have deserved an MM, after calming down I'm sure I would've gone to apologize but I digress) And the argument that "oh you attacked windumup cuz it's windumup" is bull****. If it had been someone like Mesuxelf, one of my best friends, I would have said the EXACT same thing.
Anyways. Bumblebunnii made a topic for me after, and guess what? Three people immediately post profanity and derail the topic, oh, what's that? two bannable offenses that they were semi-warned about only after it being pointed out as hypocrisy???? Where was my warning? Probably got lost in the mail, right????

Where the **** are the rules? Like, there are none, punishments are dolled out willy nilly, the fact that so many people get away with breaking so many rules ie derailment, profanity, excess swearing, etc, is honestly bs. So please, tell why I, an adult who is capable of understanding and cooperation, didn't get an MM, or a warning, but instead an immediate Gnorc. Now tell me where the logic lies, that people can do exactly what I did but worse, and not get so much as a warning?

The most bull**** thing about it tho was, you could argue if I kept going after a warning then it'd be bannable, and I did sort of receive a warning, Paris posted that we needed to chill and I decided to stop posting after that, only, after that semi-warning, I got banned. But that doesn't make any sense, why ban me immediately after giving the in-topic warning, if I kept going after that semi-warning then sure, ban me, but I didn't.

And I'm not throwing a hissyfit I'm really wanting to understand how this deserved a ban (i can see it deserving MM's and warnings don't get me wrong I was being a jerk), how other things like this and worse don't get bans, how biased af banning is, how we can make rules more clear cuz we need clearer rules, etc etc etc.

Like I know the mods have limited power and they're like "well we don't have any real set rules so we gotta make judgment calls" So, here's a literal solution that took me two minutes to come up with....Make some rules! Literally, sit down together and formulate a set of actual rules because clearly the main forum rules aren't exactly in place, make set rules for idle chatter, for video gaming, for S&N, because enforcing invisible laws that change constantly and/or aren't even in existence unless someone thinks it's warranted is so unfair, and the bias is just phenomenal.

it wasn't really a bad argument. I was just sharing opinions (quite bluntly, at that) and backing up why I thought what I thought. We didn't name call, we didn't make fun of each other, so why even gnorc? Lots of the "popular kids" name call and treat the other person like a child and no one does anything about it, but as soon as someone who's not from this exclusive clique tries to have a debate, both parties get shut down. It's so biased.

epic.

It might have been because of your post on the personal thoughts thread. And yeah my topic about Windumup got derailed as well, which is dumb.

I would've removed all relevant posts and PM the warning to express severity, and outline the consequences if it continues. But I'm not a mod so my input is only as valuable as any other user. I disagree with the way it was handled but the Hunters are put in a position of authority for a reason and I respect them. A 12 hour ban would be preferable to letting it continue.

But I digress ^.^; glad to have you both back

They can't make rules if Dark doesn't give the ok, Dark thinks this mess is as fine as it is. They brought up this issue several times.

Also, I'm going to sound real harsh because I was sleeping during the time it happened, but your post reads like you needed a timeout. Stressing yourself out in this rant is only going to make you feel worse later on. I didn't read what happened or noticed when I got up, but if you're not being yourself no argument can stop it, only increase it. Taking a breather is essential before you say something you can't take back.

I think it was kind of a big cluster****.
They couldn't just gnorc Windumup because she gets a little butthurt, and you don't want it to look like the mods are piling on her too. That said, you were kind of being an ass, but didn't do anything ban worthy imo.
They did their best in a delicate situation.

don't continue doing something in personal thoughts when you've been told to stop in a previous topic

Quote: Bifrost

They can't make rules if Dark doesn't give the ok, Dark thinks this mess is as fine as it is. They brought up this issue several times.

Also, I'm going to sound real harsh because I was sleeping during the time it happened, but your post reads like you needed a timeout. Stressing yourself out in this rant is only going to make you feel worse later on. I didn't read what happened or noticed when I got up, but if you're not being yourself no argument can stop it, only increase it. Taking a breather is essential before you say something you can't take back.

Quote: Bifrost

They can't make rules if Dark doesn't give the ok, Dark thinks this mess is as fine as it is. They brought up this issue several times.

Also, I'm going to sound real harsh because I was sleeping during the time it happened, but your post reads like you needed a timeout. Stressing yourself out in this rant is only going to make you feel worse later on.

If you had a 5 year old son, and he was doing something like, you saw him taking out a dessert that he wasn't supposed to have, would you put him on a timeout immediately or tell him No and then see if he complies or not


Quote: StriderSwag

I think it was kind of a big cluster****.
They couldn't just gnorc Windumup because she gets a little butthurt, and you don't want it to look like the mods are piling on her too. That said, you were kind of being an ass, but didn't do anything ban worthy imo.
They did their best in a delicate situation.

I completely agree with you there, I was being a total ass for no real reason and I regret that and should've been nicer with how I wanted to get things across, but I just don't see how I get a ban when others who I see in video games attack others all the time and get nothing

Quote: Cynderfan507

The entire situation was bull**** TBH. Nobody should've gotten gnorc'd IMO.
*unpopular opinion ahead*
Not even Windumup.

especially windumup, I caused way more damage than her and she barely did anything other than being a slight bit difficult

Quote: arceustheprime

don't continue doing something in personal thoughts when you've been told to stop in a previous topic

The in-topin warning from Paris came after I posted in PT

Lmao why does it even matter what topic it's posted in? If the posts from Personal Thoughts were in the Pokemon thread, then no one would've brought them up among the other posts, but since it got taken to another thread somehow it's a big deal and that's why he got gnorc'd?

Tough **** if he didn't comply, I'd be his parent. Mom would put me on timeout when I was a teen and I damn well deserved it, panic issues or not, because she knew I'd start swearing at them or worse without really meaning it because stress just destroys my reasoning.

Mods aren't our parents though, most of the times they're just friends. If they feel like you're going to keep making it worse for yourself and have the ability to stop it, they probably will. We'll have to hear it from them though.

Quote: Bifrost

Tough **** if he didn't comply, I'd be his parent. Mom would put me on timeout when I was a teen and I damn well deserved it, panic issues or not, because she knew I'd start swearing at them or worse without really meaning it because stress just destroys my reasoning.

Mods aren't our parents though, most of the times they're just friends. If they feel like you're going to keep making it worse for yourself and have the ability to stop it, they probably will. We'll have to hear it from them though.

That's the thing though. They're friends with who they're friends with, and they don't punish their friends as much because "oh I know them don't worry he didn't mean it", but as soon as they have to deal with people they don't talk to, instant gnorc. No warning of being gnorc'd, just a straight up gnorc. That's what's unfair.

Quote: Mesuxelf

Quote: Bifrost

Tough **** if he didn't comply, I'd be his parent. Mom would put me on timeout when I was a teen and I damn well deserved it, panic issues or not, because she knew I'd start swearing at them or worse without really meaning it because stress just destroys my reasoning.

Mods aren't our parents though, most of the times they're just friends. If they feel like you're going to keep making it worse for yourself and have the ability to stop it, they probably will. We'll have to hear it from them though.

That's the thing though. They're friends with who they're friends with, and they don't punish their friends as much because "oh I know them don't worry he didn't mean it", but as soon as they have to deal with people they don't talk to, instant gnorc. No warning of being gnorc'd, just a straight up gnorc. That's what's unfair.

I have a new puppy, if she bites I say no, if she stops she's okay if she keeps going she gets a timeout, that's how it should work

Mesu is right, it's like being the director of a film and being friends with the actor, if he doesn't do what you say you have to fire him because at that point you're his director not his friend. The position of mod should be unbiased and not take friendship into account because then nothing is fair.

So whatever happened, I missed it yet again (Not that I care.), but..

"I have a new puppy, if she bites I say no, if she stops she's okay if she keeps going she gets a timeout, that's how it should work"
^that is a good analogy. Look at this, people.

Unfortunately I have nothing else of substance to add.

I'm honestly surprised no mods have posted in this yet.

First off you can't do a MM for a long argument, especially one that spreaded to other topics such as PT. The argument was simply too petty and too heated, that there was no real way to stop it other than a Gnorc. You weren't banned, you were suspended for a couple of hours. It was done so you two could calm down, it may SOUND harsh but the reality was that it actually wasn't.
But also, did you read the post Paris made in the Pokemon topic? Apparently you arguing with Windumup has been a regular thing, I don't know if this is true, but she mentioned something about a promise? I assumed this has happened before and you promised not to do it again. Again though, I don't know and I don't want to jump to conclusions.

Quote: Lunarz

Anyways. Bumblebunnii made a topic for me after, and guess what? Three people immediately post profanity and derail the topic, oh, what's that? two bannable offenses that they were semi-warned about only after it being pointed out as hypocrisy???? Where was my warning? Probably got lost in the mail, right????

Bumblebunnii made the topic in Stuff and Nonsense where this happens all the time, and the rules are much more...slack I should say? Plus she presented the topic not only right after it happened (people don't want more drama), but the tone of the topic was humorous, so some ran along with the joke they thought was there. You and Windumup had the argument in a pretty serious sub-forum that isn't as relaxed as here. Literally the only topic that's serious in this sub-forum is Personal Thoughts, which you guys translated the argument to.

Quote: Lunarz

b]punishments are dolled out willy nilly, the fact that so many people get away with breaking so many rules ie derailment, profanity, excess swearing, etc, is honestly bs. [/b] So please, tell why I, an adult who is capable of understanding and cooperation, didn't get an MM, or a warning, but instead an immediate Gnorc. Now tell me where the logic lies, that people can do exactly what I did but worse, and not get so much as a warning?

Are punishments dolled out willy nilly? Funny, I haven't seen a lot this year. Again, this sub-forum is LITERALLY CALLED "Stuff and Nonsense". It's actual nonsense, so it's not a huge offense if a topic is derailed. Plus you call yourself an adult who understands and cooperates, but why did you try so hard to keep an argument going? I'm 17 years old, probably younger than you, and I could see that you were beating a dead horse with such a petty subject. I mean, I agreed with you, but it should have stopped. I think you were too prideful to actually let the argument come to an end since you were SOOO desperate for Windumup to say they were wrong.

Quote: Lunarz

The most bull**** thing about it tho was, you could argue if I kept going after a warning then it'd be bannable, and I did sort of receive a warning, Paris posted that we needed to chill and I decided to stop posting after that, only, after that semi-warning, I got banned. But that doesn't make any sense, why ban me immediately after giving the in-topic warning, if I kept going after that semi-warning then sure, ban me, but I didn't.

This I do agree with, but to be fair, the situation was really heated and stressful. The argument had already spread to two topics, it was like a wildfire. You may have stopped posting but she didn't know that.

Quote: Lunarz

And I'm not throwing a hissyfit I'm really wanting to understand how this deserved a ban (i can see it deserving MM's and warnings don't get me wrong I was being a jerk), how other things like this and worse don't get bans, how biased af banning is, how we can make rules more clear cuz we need clearer rules, etc etc etc.

Rules are right here my broski. It's not really a matter of being punished for breaking a rule, it's the consistency of how many times you break it. It's fine if you have an argument, it's the Internet, but it can cross a line many ways. Death threats could happen, it could clog a topic, it could create a hateful topic trend, the argument happens too many times, etc. In this case your argument was almost two pages long and extended to another topic. That's super unnecessary.

Quote: Lunarz

Like I know the mods have limited power and they're like "well we don't have any real set rules so we gotta make judgment calls" So, here's a literal solution that took me two minutes to come up with....Make some rules! Literally, sit down together and formulate a set of actual rules because clearly the main forum rules aren't exactly in place, make set rules for idle chatter, for video gaming, for S&N, because enforcing invisible laws that change constantly and/or aren't even in existence unless someone thinks it's warranted is so unfair, and the bias is just phenomenal.

Okay I mean I understand the whole "invisible rule" deal and how it can be confusing, but you realize they can't make new rules right? They can make guidelines to what warrants a ban/suspension, which they have I might add, but they can't just make up new rules since their job is to enforce rules set up by Dark52. Plus if they did make new rules, it would either have to be those "invisible rules", or they would have to set up so many topics explaining the rules people might not ever read because they would probably think "Eh it's probably already in the Forum Rules page, I don't need this".

Quote: Lunarz

it wasn't really a bad argument. I was just sharing opinions (quite bluntly, at that) and backing up why I thought what I thought. We didn't name call, we didn't make fun of each other, so why even gnorc? Lots of the "popular kids" name call and treat the other person like a child and no one does anything about it, but as soon as someone who's not from this exclusive clique tries to have a debate, both parties get shut down. It's so biased.

What you're not understanding is that a mod position isn't simple. For God's sake, I'm the president of a small hobby club, Anime Club, at my school. I've been the president for three years and I've had people call me a "bossy *****" or a "shrewd" because I told them to be quite a couple of times. I've almost made a girl cry once because I rejected her late form for a field trip, even after reminding everyone for three weeks to turn it in before the deadline. Being a leader sucks, being a mod sucks, because you have to be strict but you can't please everyone. Yes, I'm deal with high schoolers but guess what!!!!! Most of the users are high schoolers, WHOA
You got to calm down about this, man. It was 12 hours. It wasn't that harsh and you need to accept you did something wrong, even if you may not see what you did wrong exactly. I would have agreed if your punishment was harsh, like three days or something. But it wasn't, it was a couple of hours you could have slept through.

This topic should be closed. There's no need to keep this going.
Lunarz said what he wanted to, a few shared their opinions. Nobody else needs to comment.

Quote: Bumblebunnii

This topic should be closed. There's no need to keep this going.
Lunarz said what he wanted to, a few shared their opinions. Nobody else needs to comment.

pls keep it open so I can scorch TheFlyingSeal with facts I'm editing it right now and I've already pushed back taking a bath in my schedule to type this out.

>Give people warnings and tell them to stop, or even not be around to actually act on the matter or act too late.

"Mods need to step it up and be more strict. We can't let harassment go on guys we're all bullies we need this to stop MODS STEP IN!"

>Start to step it up and dole out suspensions during an argument set to derail two threads as a deterrent to them and others that the mods are going to be serious about the rules now.

"JESUS MODS ARE TOO STRICT THIS WASN'T WARRANTED???"

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Allow me to start by firstly saying that I didn't hand out the suspensions this time around, but I was there when the issue was discussed and I didn't really object to it like I used to (ask the other mods and they'll tell you how many times I've blocked suspensions because I've been so lenient and hesitant to pull the trigger on such).

But just hours before that incident I got into a huge argument with Sonicbrawler regarding the drama he was a part of a few days ago in that Sonic topic, and the issue of mods needing to step up came out again. He lashed out towards other people because they started to raise a stink against him, leading to a smug observation post by Strider which in turn led to borderline flaming on his end (I'm not going to argue this with you right now Brawler).
The ensuing debate we had rose two issues, both of which aren't exactly new to the site:

1. Mods often don't step in and deliver the proper punishments they should.
2. Mods often don't step in and deliver the proper punishments on the PEOPLE they should (aka, bias).

Both are huge issues and I'm full to admit that I'm as responsible in it. When drama comes down I can be shown as online but in reality I'm off doing work or goofing off elsewhere. And when the time comes that the hammer should come down on someone I often hesitate to do anything to anyone (full disclosure here; Unclebob and Windumup would probably have more suspensions under their belt if I didn't keep blocking attempts to do so from other mods because I feel it unfair).

The bias on my end isn't even necessarily giving a free pass to friends of mine while blocking others from doing the same, but rather a different scenario. That because I don't want to slam down on friends, because I don't want to hear any *****ing from them about how I'm "literally Hitler", I then allow a lot of things to pass from everyone, even if it technically shouldn't be allowed period, or is going too far.

Because I don't want to hear someone from the group complaining about how "oh this post about sex wasn't THAT inappropriate", I let it and others slide to where everyone then assumes that it's all perfectly acceptable.

This creates a serious problem, at least on my personal end, for when the time comes and I decide it really is time to come down on people for these things, someone will always raise a big stink about it and use the very valid argument of "well it was allowed just not long ago so why am I being punished for it now?".

And while to a lot of us (myself even, which is something I really need to break) look at the suspension mods give out and think "wow that was really harsh yikes", it's worth noting that yeah it's supposed to just be a timeout. Dark52 himself has said in the past that mods need to use suspensions more often considering just how small mod suspensions are. 12 hours may have been a bit much but in the end it served its purpose in ending the argument and serving as a message that the mods are in fact going to step it up and be more proactive in the community and not just give out empty warnings that, let's face it, are often ignored in the bigger picture.

Sonicbrawler took it upon himself to be a sort of forum Batman and deal with troublesome people on his own, in turn becoming more troublesome than even they, because he felt mods don't do nearly enough to stop these things and issue suspensions when they need to be, especially in regards to people we're cool with.
Bunnii made a thread before she initially first left calling S&N bullies, with the people in the thread eventually agreeing that part of the problem being mods' inability to step in and end these things, and that they should be more strict and lay down at least short suspensions.

And oh....look at what I said in that thread:

Quote: CAV

Quote: Bifrost

I'm still proposing mods stepping in. People don't get the message? Gnorc more. Ripto someone if necessary. Maybe when that "fun" is outlawed we understand that it wasn't funny at all. It's absolutely stupid someone has to babysit 19 year olds but it feels necessary if it reached such a point that people are leaving and being a-holes even over this very subject(because will you look at that Windumup's thread has someone telling her it's not a big deal).

I look forward to the follow up topic calling mods too harsh.

And look at where we are now.

Yes, I'm aware that this incident wasn't nearly as bad as the one Bunnii's topic is about. Yes, I'm aware that it was relatively minor and it was on topic (I noticed this as the suspension was happening; I should've said to lower the time from 12 hours to something like 3). And yes, the penis spam was seriously not something that should've been happening and I should've at the very least dealt MMs for it if mods were going to sit here and deal out a suspension for this incident.
That is something I hope to change starting here.

Mods are going to be more proactive. That is what you people wanted. That is what you outright demanded not even a month ago. This section I notice likes to flip flop between deciding that mods don't do enough to stop issues and should stop being afraid to deal suspensions, and mods are too strict "handing out punishments willy nilly".

I'm sorry that you were suspended for a more relatively minor thing (that goes to you and Windumup). Do be aware that it was 12 hours (and a set of 12 that you would be more likely asleep for the majority of) and it really was meant to be a timeout which, in the end, is seemingly what mod suspensions are supposed to be (compared to Dark's much longer, more controlling suspensions). And because those suspensions are supposed to serve as timeouts if someone is acting up in the moment, they may start to show up more often (after the appropriate warning from here out, yes).

you're all plebs

Also I'm not closing this since I'm fairly certain Lunarz wanted mods to respond to this (including the mod who did the suspension, who I imagine may speak shortly), and at this point closing this thread criticizing the mods would be borderline censorship.

Alright, I'm not good at formulating these kinds of things, but here I go.

As CAV said, everyone wants us to crack down on harassment and what not. However, anytime a mod actually takes initiative, we get backlash from the suspended. I feel like it's a double standard. "I want mods to crack down more, unless I have something to do with it personally. Then they shouldn't." Lunarz, I suspended you and Windumup because I'm so freaking tired of all the fighting that happens. Not just between you and Windumup, but anyone that fights with Windumup. It's partially Windumup's fault for getting really defensive, but also yours for egging him on. If it were any two other people, I probably would have suspended them too.

I guess I see your suspension as not just a slap on the wrist, but also as a message from the mods, sealed with a kiss. We are not going to allow this kind of to happen. We are going to crack down on arguments, should they happen. If you think we're being "harsh." or "Hitler." Then fine. The door is right there. You aren't obligated to stay.

After writing this I realize most of what I said could come off as aggressive, and that wasn't my intention. Also, it's a really unorganized mess, but I can't think of another way to quote specific sentences, especially since you can only bold and italicize so many times before it becomes confusing. Hopefully you can make some sense of it.

Quote: TheFlyingSeal

First off you can't do a MM for a long argument,

Why not?

Quote: TheFlyingSeal

The argument was simply too petty and too heated, that there was no real way to stop it other than a Gnorc.

I almost guarantee that if a mod commented on the topic "stop arguing or I'll have to gnorc you, one of them would've stopped. If one stops, the other can't continue because they have nothing new to argue against, thus, ending the argument.

Quote: TheFlyingSeal

It was done so you two could calm down, it may SOUND harsh but the reality was that it actually wasn't.

His main point isn't that it was harsh, but that is was uncalled for and unfair. Like I said above, a mod could've just said that a gnorc would have to happen if it continued, and it would've ended there, making what actually happened uncalled for. Then, in Bumblebunnii's topic, people like arceusprime and ThroneOfMalefore were spamming (violation of the second rule of the site) in the topic, but because they're friendly with the mods, nothing was done about it, deeming it unfair. I understand that it's Stuff and Nonsense, and the rules aren't enforced as much, but if the original argument would've taken place in S&N, the exact same result would've happened.

Quote: TheFlyingSeal

but the tone of the topic was humorous, so some ran along with the joke they thought was there

Other than saying that she stands by Lunarz, her FIRST SENTENCE started with "In all seriousness". Where is the "humorous" tone of the topic? Where was the original joke presented? Or are you just trying to cover up the fact that your friends started breaking the rules in the topic and using "humorous tone" as an excuse?

Quote: TheFlyingSeal

You and Windumup had the argument in a pretty serious sub-forum that isn't as relaxed as here.

Again, the results would've been the same if the argument were in S&N.

Quote: TheFlyingSeal

Plus you call yourself an adult who understands and cooperates, but why did you try so hard to keep an argument going?

Because no one said stop? They said chill? Those words aren't interchangeable. Chill means tone it down, stop means stop. If he was told to stop, he would've. When he was told to stop in the form of a gnorc, he did, even though there's not much he could've done to continue it at that point.


Quote: TheFlyingSeal

This I do agree with, but to be fair, the situation was really heated and stressful.

I don't think it's fair to blame the inactions of the mods on stress. They could've easily typed "stop, or you'll get gnorc'd" and that would've been that. Not stressful at all.

Quote: TheFlyingSeal

The argument had already spread to two topics, it was like a wildfire.

Make two posts then. Ctrl+C Ctrl+V.

Quote: TheFlyingSeal

You may have stopped posting but she didn't know that.

Then it's her fault for acting too fast. It doesn't take long to check the "last post" time on the user's guestbook. It's one click away.


Quote: TheFlyingSeal

It's not really a matter of being punished for breaking a rule, it's the consistency of how many times you break it.

I count 9 "penis" posts in Bumblebunnii's topic. Breaking a rule (rule 2) nine times doesn't qualify for a ban? Then where is the line drawn?

Quote: TheFlyingSeal

Okay I mean I understand the whole "invisible rule" deal and how it can be confusing, but you realize they can't make new rules right? They can make guidelines to what warrants a ban/suspension, which they have I might add, but they can't just make up new rules since their job is to enforce rules set up by Dark52. Plus if they did make new rules, it would either have to be those "invisible rules", or they would have to set up so many topics explaining the rules people might not ever read because they would probably think "Eh it's probably already in the Forum Rules page, I don't need this".

But I don't think it's completely out of the question for them to discuss this issue with dark. Dark made the rules, he can adjust them as he sees fit, and if the mods can find a valid reason for a new rule and a fair way to enforce it, I don't see why they can't?

Quote: TheFlyingSeal

]You got to calm down about this, man. It was 12 hours. It wasn't that harsh and you need to accept you did something wrong, even if you may not see what you did wrong exactly. I would have agreed if your punishment was harsh, like three days or something. But it wasn't, it was a couple of hours you could have slept through.

Again, it's not that the gnorc was long, or that it was harsh, or anything like that. That's not the main point. The main point is that other users break the rules and don't get punished other than by a slap on the wrist, if at all. But users who aren't friendly with the mods get the zero tolerance policy. It's not that the mods aren't strict enough, it's that how they deal out punishments isn't fair considering other users break the rules much more often and to a further extent.

i think it's time for that bath mesu buddy old pal

I see your point, and I agree! Some mods are biased, and that should definitely change. Remember, most mods are having their first rodeo rn, so they are still in a new territory. They can still make mistakes and be biased like human beings are, but again yes they are being biased. I agree.

And as much as everyone would love Dark to change some rules, sadly he isn't active enough on this site anymore. The community is simply too large , and it's the reason why mods got appointed in the first place.

Well I'm not talking about her first post, but I remember she posted a picture edit of a Civil Rights Protest and put "FREE LUNARZ" on the banner or something. That was obviously supposed to be silly. She had a good message and heart that was very serious, but what I was pointing out was that perhaps not everyone understood she was actually being serious. I wasn't saying her topic was humorous, it just had some of those underlying tones but I did word that sentence weirdly so I'm sorry about that lol.

I would add more things but CAV pretty much addressed the concerns you have, so read his post my bro. Stay frosty

Quote: ThroneOfMalefor

i think it's time for that bath mesu buddy old pal

Can't bathe now because I finally have the house to myself which means I can play piano because whenever I play when someones home it's "too loud" and "too bad" and "you're not even playing a song just pressing keys". I won't let my family get in my way of becoming a master pianist. I shall bathe later.

then crikey tickle those pretty ivories and make love

Bumblebunnii: I'm sorry CAV, but Lunarz is my friend.
CAV: So was I...

Quote: StriderSwag

Bumblebunnii: I'm sorry CAV, but Lunarz is my friend.
CAV: So was I...

No CAV Ily. Stay out of this Strider.

My issue doesn't lie with Paris, something that I let her know in a PM. I didn't even really have an issue until this kept escalating and people are denying favoritism that clearly exists on this site. Aforementioned favoritism has even been admitted to me before. I'm not bashing any of the other mods so don't take it that way, but Paris specifically is one of the best moderators here. She does her best to be fair.
But, with that said, nobody is complaining about the mods being too harsh. The complaint is that it's biased. Windumup and Lunarz got gnorc'd. Okay, fine. That's the standard you set then, stick to it. Gnorc other users who are taking it to the same level, jokingly or not. The penis posts for insance, I was joking when I was calling for gnorcs but at the same time none of the mods even responded to all of that.
Nobody is saying you're being too harsh, they're saying you're not being harsh enough to certain users.

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Bumblebunnii: I'm sorry CAV, but Lunarz is my friend.
CAV: So was I...

No CAV Ily. Stay out of this Strider.

I can do this all day.

The problem, I feel, with S&N and mods is a case by case basis. I'm not targeting anyone in particular, but i feel that the want for mods to be stricter depends on who it effects. I do agree that there is sort of a ds "clique" who when it effects them, they accuss mods of being too strict. However, they also appear to be the ones who accuss mods of being not strict enough if it effects other users not a part of the "clique." This also goes with other users as well, just not as put forward as with the "clique". Please correct me if i'm missing information or are wrong.

Also, even though i'd rather not get into this or start anything, I did want to ask about sonicbrawler and the other users who recently had a fight. Cav touched on this, but i just wanted the mods general rule when it came to arguements. IMO, the "fight" in SB's topic was worse than this one, though i don'y know the specifics of this one, so please correct me if i'm wrong. I feel that whenever SB and some others users get into a confrontation, both sides begin to insult the other party personally. The last incident got way out of hand and mods did intervene and close the topic, which I appreciate. I was just wondering if that's all the mods could have done without a backlash? I'm not accusing anyone of anything and i'm sure the mods try to handle this stuff to the best of their abilites. I was just wondering, in the minds of the mods or even dark, when an argument becomes so heated/insulting that a gnorc is warrented/needed?

Yeah, seems like huge bias when SB straight up looked down on ToyNerd because he's new(even if it's wrong since he's returning), but he didn't get a time out despite snapping at everyone calling him out. And can't even excuse it as not recurring, that happened way too much in Video Gaming until the unpopular opinio s thread sank again.

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No CAV Ily. Stay out of this Strider.

Aww shucks.

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My issue doesn't lie with Paris, something that I let her know in a PM. I didn't even really have an issue until this kept escalating and people are denying favoritism that clearly exists on this site. Aforementioned favoritism has even been admitted to me before. I'm not bashing any of the other mods so don't take it that way, but Paris specifically is one of the best moderators here. She does her best to be fair.
But, with that said, nobody is complaining about the mods being too harsh. The complaint is that it's biased. Windumup and Lunarz got gnorc'd. Okay, fine. That's the standard you set then, stick to it. Gnorc other users who are taking it to the same level, jokingly or not. The penis posts for insance, I was joking when I was calling for gnorcs but at the same time none of the mods even responded to all of that.
Nobody is saying you're being too harsh, they're saying you're not being harsh enough to certain users.

Favoritism and bias does exist and to deny that right now would look silly. A large chunk of my post is explaining that favoritism, specifically my own way of handling it; that because I don't want to punish those I like because I don't want to hear complaints, I choose not to punish anyone at all. Which is a negative since when the time comes to actually step it up and punish people accordingly we do run into the problem of "well this person did this and didn't get anything then so why am I getting it now?".

That's something I want to change from here on out.

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Yeah, seems like huge bias when SB straight up looked down on ToyNerd because he's new(even if it's wrong since he's returning), but he didn't get a time out despite snapping at everyone calling him out. And can't even excuse it as not recurring, that happened way too much in Video Gaming until the unpopular opinio s thread sank again.

Funnily enough, when SB and I were talking, that's not the bias that he referred to. I actually mentioned how I was once accused in the group of being biased in favor of him by often playing defense.

Rather, the bias he mentions is that, because I and other mods may be in the Skype group and be associated with people such as Sess and somePerson, we may not do much of anything to punish them when they act out, regardless of the actual reasoning (don't want to hear complaints, friends don't want to punish friends, etc.).

I already told him that such action from him won't be tolerated here on out from his end or others, and his response was mostly that he won't take such action in the first place if mods were more proactive and less biased on the other half. Go figure.

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I personally don't believe that a suspension for either Lunarz or Windumup was necessary, as it's excessive and could've been dealt with in a more simple manner.
(Or at least a shorter suspension and/or warning)

That said, however, I don't really see the need to make such a big deal out of it either.

I also don't really see how saying the word "penis" is breaking the rules? (Especially in S&N)
Yes, it's inappropriate - to an extent -, but it's not censored nor does anyone every get in trouble for just posting the word by itself.
It's usually the context that the word is used in that would get one in trouble, not the word itself.

I don't think it was the word penis, it was the spam of the word penis.

why do people take this website so seriously

penis

penis

penis

Stop right there.

Honestly I have to agree with the other mods.

We can't really please any/both parties because both parties can be just at a fault as the other. Plus a mod is like a police enforcement job, our job is to enforce the rules not make everyone happy. If the results make you happy than good on you, it was an unintentional thing because that's not we were aiming for. We were aiming for what seems to be the most unbiased punishment. We do apologize if these bans come off as biased or being a "harsh Hitler", but it's our job. We're just trying to do the best unbiased job as we can. If that makes us a "harsh Hitler" then yeah the door is over there. We don't need more name calling.

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why do people take this website so seriously

A wizard did it... or, perhaps, a wizHIRd. Since I used to be the guy going around zapping posts, topics, and users. ^.^;

It's very Hitler-like to prevent someone from posting on a Spyro forum for like 2 days. How could you.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any name calling towards anyone in this topic?
CAV brought up the Hitler thing.

And with regards to the penis thing, people didn't stop after CAV said stop. It didn't bother me and I couldn't care less about it, but I'm just not understanding the arguments people are making. We all know who the bias is towards, and it's pretty clear that's not going to stop, so why is this even being talked about anymore?

To be honest I think this is a step in the right direction.

I don't think Windumup and Lunarz should've been banned for that long over something so petty but I'm glad the mods are stepping up to be more strict around here.

I said it in the last topic and I'll say it again: At this point if we want the website to change for the better it's going to have to be forced. For way too long people have said they're trying to make the website better for everyone and that never happens.

The favoritism among mods obviously does exist but considering they're only recently starting to crack down on rule-breaking and suspensions I doubt it's intentional.

Ultimately I think this is a work in progress. There's still work to be done(like the bias), but for the most part the mods are going in the right direction imo.

Also just want to point out I'm not trying to sound rude or harsh here, These are just my thoughts on the whole matter.

All of these problems would be solved if you people just stopped caring so much about this site.

There's a big world out there, guys.

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All of these problems would be solved if you people just stopped caring so much about this site.

There's a big world out there, guys.

This is an important place for a lot of us. I found myself here, I became a better person because of this site. I met some amazing friends I wanna keep contact forever with here. People here understand me, I can be open here.

I think a lot of other users feel that way, that this site helps them be who themselves

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All of these problems would be solved if you people just stopped caring so much about this site.

There's a big world out there, guys.

I love the fact that you assume people on an Internet forum have stable social lives. Isn't why we came here in the first place? To discuss thing with people similar to us? I dunno, seems like a silly statement regardless