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willster8 Gold Sparx Gems: 2383
#51 Posted: 23:33:59 14/11/2015
Quote: Greeble
I think it's time for ISIS to go.

The governments know where they are, how many more innocent people have to die before they do something?


You can't just bomb the area that Isis's "headquarters" is. It's practically a culture by this poin. Even if you get rid of their main area/group, there will always be more people to carry on their practices. As much as I hate it, I don't see Isis going away for a LONG time.
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#52 Posted: 00:10:27 15/11/2015
Quote: Samius
Quote: Reverse0456
Quote: Greeble
I think it's time for ISIS to go.

The governments know where they are, how many more innocent people have to die before they do something?


Um..um....Who What Where When Why How!!!! Seriously though how long have the know where they were?


Uhh.. All the time? Since they started the whole Islamic State?

The thing is, stopping them is not so simple as just sending soldiers into the Middle East. We've tried it before, and that's the exactly what caused ISIS to rise to power in the first place.

If you want to talk about this more you can use this topic.



Oh awkward never knew....idiot me...I do realize that taking out a group like ISIS is a problem we tried and failed many times we try and we never know if we really finish them off and then they come back and commit some crime and we're back to fighting them again.
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#53 Posted: 00:16:12 15/11/2015
Quote: Muffin Man
It's times like this that remind you that real life has plenty of villains but no Batman to stop them.



It's times like this when everyone wishes that there was some way to get superpowers like in the comics.
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#54 Posted: 02:01:25 15/11/2015
Apparently the ISIS has threatened more to come.

I honestly can see a WWIII happening at this rate. Probably a much smaller one though.

Quote: Samius
Quote: HIR
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Because this is the SOOOOO the right venue for this debate. <.<;

Donald Trump posted a similar sort of comment (also on Twitter) and the French Ambassador to the United States actually responded to it and, predictably, was not very pleased.


I'm not surprised that politicians try to capitalize on what is happening. At the same time I'm also seeing loads of people saddling their high horses, agreeing with their buddies on how "terrorism has no religion".

These kinda things just bring out the worst in many people (many of whom are not very agreeable to begin with).


It really annoys me how people are still saying that. Right, so it just happened to be a massive coincidence that most terrorist attacks have been from the Muslim religion?
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#55 Posted: 02:17:20 15/11/2015
Quote: Samius
Quote: Reverse0456
Quote: Greeble
I think it's time for ISIS to go.

The governments know where they are, how many more innocent people have to die before they do something?


Um..um....Who What Where When Why How!!!! Seriously though how long have the know where they were?


Uhh.. All the time? Since they started the whole Islamic State?

The thing is, stopping them is not so simple as just sending soldiers into the Middle East. We've tried it before, and that's the exactly what caused ISIS to rise to power in the first place.

If you want to talk about this more you can use this topic.



Samius is right. In all honesty, the only way we'll beat an enemy like ISIS is through unconventional warfare, not the use of regular combat troops. That's actually what got us into this mess.


@DC_543: No, WWIII won't happen because of terrorist organizations like ISIS, because they're non-state actors and they don't engage in conventional warfare. A better example of another World War scenario would be a fight against a true military power, like China, Russia, or Iran (those are the biggest ones on everyone's radar anyway).
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#56 Posted: 02:20:24 15/11/2015
I honestly don't see anything else following this. :/
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#57 Posted: 02:23:13 15/11/2015
^same
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#58 Posted: 02:41:43 15/11/2015
Quote: Sesshomaru75
Quote: DarkCynder_543
I honestly can see a WWIII happening at this rate. Probably a much smaller one though.


I'm sorry, but that's really stupid. A terrorist group isn't going to start WWIII.
(Basically what Metallo said, yeah)

Quote: DarkCynder_543
Right, so it just happened to be a massive coincidence that most terrorist attacks have been from the Muslim religion?


What? I actually don't understand what you're trying to say with this.


I don't see how it's hard to understand? :\
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#59 Posted: 02:43:35 15/11/2015
Quote: DarkCynder_543
Quote: Sesshomaru75
Quote: DarkCynder_543
I honestly can see a WWIII happening at this rate. Probably a much smaller one though.


I'm sorry, but that's really stupid. A terrorist group isn't going to start WWIII.
(Basically what Metallo said, yeah)

Quote: DarkCynder_543
Right, so it just happened to be a massive coincidence that most terrorist attacks have been from the Muslim religion?


What? I actually don't understand what you're trying to say with this.


I don't see how it's hard to understand? :\



You're saying you don't want people to separate the fact that they're Muslim from the acts they're committing.
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#60 Posted: 02:44:32 15/11/2015
Quote: Sesshomaru75
Quote: DarkCynder_543
I honestly can see a WWIII happening at this rate. Probably a much smaller one though.


I'm sorry, but that's really stupid. A terrorist group isn't going to start WWIII.
(Basically what Metallo said, yeah)


While I don't think WWIII will start specifically based on them, this is a terrorist group that is very quickly taking control over large portions of the Middle East. Given more time and more power they could be considered an empire.
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#61 Posted: 02:48:41 15/11/2015
Quote: Metallo
Quote: DarkCynder_543
Quote: Sesshomaru75


I'm sorry, but that's really stupid. A terrorist group isn't going to start WWIII.
(Basically what Metallo said, yeah)


What? I actually don't understand what you're trying to say with this.


I don't see how it's hard to understand? :\



You're saying you don't want people to separate the fact that they're Muslim from the acts they're committing.


Okay I'm confused now lol.

I didn't mean it in a racist way. I know that not all Muslims are bad and that we shouldn't judge an entire religion on what a certain group are doing, and it's just the extremists who can't stand the west and trying to kill us. However, it's those Muslim extremists that are causing most of the terrorist attacks at the moment, so it seems kind of stupid to not consider religion as a factor.

Also I agree with CAV. I think people are really underestimating the ISIS. Also I didn't say a full-on WWIII. I said a smaller version.
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#62 Posted: 02:55:45 15/11/2015
Quote: DarkCynder_543
Quote: Metallo
Quote: DarkCynder_543


I don't see how it's hard to understand? :\



You're saying you don't want people to separate the fact that they're Muslim from the acts they're committing.


Okay I'm confused now lol.

I didn't mean it in a racist way. I know that not all Muslims are bad and that we shouldn't judge an entire religion on what a certain group are doing, and it's just the extremists who can't stand the west and trying to kill us. However, it's those Muslim extremists that are causing most of the terrorist attacks at the moment, so it seems kind of stupid to not consider religion as a factor.

Also I agree with CAV. I think people are really underestimating the ISIS. Also I didn't say a full-on WWIII. I said a smaller version.



It wouldn't be a world war because the operations and strategies would be much different. You're comparing unconventional warfare to conventional warfare, which is a common mistake. Just Google both of those terms and you'll see.

And also...

"Men never commit evil so fully and joyously as when they do it for religious convictions."
-Blaise Pascal
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#63 Posted: 05:40:51 15/11/2015
its hard to imagine that i was there just a few months ago wow
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#64 Posted: 06:45:28 15/11/2015
My friends uncle got back to the states the day before the shooting
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#65 Posted: 06:57:05 15/11/2015
So their's an uproar on Facebook (or at least the ones I'm following) about how there were other places getting attacked by the ISIS at the same time as France, but no one cares about them.

I didn't even know that there were other places attacked as well.
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#66 Posted: 07:26:46 15/11/2015
Quote: DarkCynder_543
So their's an uproar on Facebook (or at least the ones I'm following) about how there were other places getting attacked by the ISIS at the same time as France, but no one cares about them.

I didn't even know that there were other places attacked as well.



by "other places" they probably mean places like in the middle east, in which we do care and we're doing our best to handle it.

what makes the france attack so different is that it was in a civilized, popular tourist destionation area and it all started out of nowhere during the middle of a concert.
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#67 Posted: 07:34:26 15/11/2015
It's not that I'm angered by it. I'm just stating that a lot of people are saying that we're racist and the French people are getting 'white privilege' by the media because they're receiving so much attention.

To be honest I don't really know what's going on anymore. There is so much war between right wingers and left wingers now, so I just choose to stay out of it.
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#68 Posted: 07:36:08 15/11/2015
Quote: DarkCynder_543
It's not that I'm angered by it. I'm just stating that a lot of people are saying that we're racist and the French people are getting 'white privilege' by the media because they're receiving so much attention.

To be honest I don't really know what's going on anymore. There is so much war between right wingers and left wingers now, so I just choose to stay out of it.



judging by your account, it sounds like a tumblrina war.

i'd just completely ignore it and move on.
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#69 Posted: 07:46:06 15/11/2015
It's actually all over my Facebook News Feed. It's not just tumblr. :\

EDIT: don't know if i'm misreading your post or not
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#70 Posted: 10:22:02 15/11/2015 | Topic Creator
Quote: Metallo
You're saying you don't want people to separate the fact that they're Muslim from the acts they're committing.


It's a tough issue to tackle because people (overly liberal people, you know who I mean) get really defensive when someone points out things like that. In their haste to do what they think is "morally correct", I think they sometimes completely misunderstand what is being said.

What I'm bothered by is that when they say that "terrorism has no religion", it kills off all the related examination of events.
I agree that being a part of whatever religion doesn't make a person a terrorist, but they imply that the terrorist's agenda is in no way connected to their religion, which in these cases is just not true.
What I mean by that is that there is not just one "terrorism". Such actions derive from a load of environmental and cultural factors, and can be done with or without religious reasons. In the case of ISIS such reasons clearly do exist. These terrorists aren't bad people who just "happen" to be Muslims, they are Muslim extremists that kill for their faith. Period.

In the end I think it's just a bad slogan. Instead of a presenting a valid, clear point, it just portrays arrogance and ignorance in equal portions. It's very hard for people to see through the fact that it's such an extreme phrase. They should try to be more agreeable.
It's just like when George Bush said that "You're either with us, or against us." I think what be meant by that was that terrorist are an enemy of all the civilized world and not just the USA (and thus if you're not a terrorist you're already with us), but that's not at all what it sounded like, right?

And for all those people who think I'm a bigot now, I'm a logical person and I lean on the liberal side myself as well. I get that it is ****** that Muslims who are not at all responsible for the actions of these extremists have their lives worsened, but you're not going to change that with you blog or any of your tweets. Educate people instead of hating them, and educate yourself too while you're at it.
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#71 Posted: 12:20:29 15/11/2015
^ Agreed.

I admit I'm more on the right-wing side myself. At the moment people on the left-wing just seem really ignorant and refuse to see the big picture, and it's really annoying how they're complaining all over social media with a mind that reminds me of tumblr, when that's not even going to do anything. Stop complaining that people are having their Facebook avatar in the colour of France. Just let them pray for Paris.
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#72 Posted: 16:07:12 15/11/2015
Quote: DarkCynder_543
It's not that I'm angered by it. I'm just stating that a lot of people are saying that we're racist and the French people are getting 'white privilege' by the media because they're receiving so much attention.

To be honest I don't really know what's going on anymore. There is so much war between right wingers and left wingers now, so I just choose to stay out of it.


"westerners caring about western news???? how could they???"
It's not good to be extremely far on either side of the political spectrum, and this is a pretty damn great example of why not.
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#73 Posted: 16:13:45 15/11/2015
To be completely honest, I think we don't see much coverage of the actions by ISIS and their cohorts in Africa and the Middle East because it's just too damn chaotic for Western media to be over there safely.
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#74 Posted: 18:24:00 15/11/2015
Quote: MoonHorizons
what makes the france attack so different is that it was in a civilized, popular tourist destionation area and it all started out of nowhere during the middle of a concert.


France is also a major player in the European Union, best buddies with the US since before the US was even the US, and overall a massive influence over the western world and is considered largely safe from these things. So it's all shocking and a bigger blow to us than an attack in the Middle East (largely foreign to us) or Russia (secretive and out there) would.

Not to mention attacks in the Middle East have become so commonplace that a bunch of people here may not find them worth reporting anymore. Like it's just expected to happen now.
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#75 Posted: 22:20:41 15/11/2015
I'm really sad that people are using event as a way to boost their ego on social media. I honestly don't see how temporarily changing your Facebook colors or Twitter avatars to make you look like you care helps out the people in fear in Paris. But I'm just a bigot complaining about people better than me. :/ I'm okay with a post saying that you feel sorrow for those in pain but having a million hashtags in your post about Paris doesn't really show how you are supporting those in Paris rather then just joining a trend.
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#76 Posted: 23:38:20 15/11/2015
this is terrible rip to all the people who died.
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#77 Posted: 01:52:58 16/11/2015
So the French have bomb the ISIS place in Syria apparently.

I understand that they have every right to fight back, but I really don't think we should be doing this since it's just going to anger them even more and I really don't think these are people we want to mess with.
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#78 Posted: 02:34:13 16/11/2015
^I'm not even certain how well bombing runs will really help. ISIS is spread across the place and these bombings sound like they affect more civilians than they do actual ISIS troops or members.

Quote: somePerson
I'm really sad that people are using event as a way to boost their ego on social media. I honestly don't see how temporarily changing your Facebook colors or Twitter avatars to make you look like you care helps out the people in fear in Paris. But I'm just a bigot complaining about people better than me. :/ I'm okay with a post saying that you feel sorrow for those in pain but having a million hashtags in your post about Paris doesn't really show how you are supporting those in Paris rather then just joining a trend.


Well I mean it's better than not caring at all right?
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#79 Posted: 02:54:52 16/11/2015
^ You guys got any better ideas?.

Sources-
http://abcnews.go.com/Internat...ory?id=35215091
http://www.theguardian.com/wor...er-paris-attack
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#80 Posted: 03:08:22 16/11/2015
Quote: CAV
^I'm not even certain how well bombing runs will really help. ISIS is spread across the place and these bombings sound like they affect more civilians than they do actual ISIS troops or members.



These aren't "bombing runs." These are precision strikes from multirole fighter jets, with target locations based off of intel we've had for ages. The chance of civilian casualties is so minimal that it's not even a factor.
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#81 Posted: 03:14:30 16/11/2015
I swear I recall hearing about how the US at least (not other nations) had a habit of just sort of bombing where they think they are, which lead to high risk of civilian casualties.

I'm probably wrong. I'm sorry.

EDIT: Genuine question though. What about sending on foot troops to handle these locations with supposed ISIS troops? Would this be more or less effective than what they're (or we're) already doing?
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#82 Posted: 08:01:55 16/11/2015 | Topic Creator
Quote: CAV
I swear I recall hearing about how the US at least (not other nations) had a habit of just sort of bombing where they think they are, which lead to high risk of civilian casualties.

I'm probably wrong. I'm sorry.

EDIT: Genuine question though. What about sending on foot troops to handle these locations with supposed ISIS troops? Would this be more or less effective than what they're (or we're) already doing?


A lot of the news you hear and read online probably give that kinda picture, but I can guarantee you that such a thing has never happened in a large scale.

On isolated cases (mistakes, faulty intel, etc.), sure, but dropping loads of bombs on unidentified targets with the intent of causing harm to a specific, known target has been no-one's plan ever.
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#83 Posted: 09:40:37 16/11/2015
Anonymous is now joining the fight against ISIS too after the attacks.
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#84 Posted: 16:33:27 16/11/2015
Apparently ISIS is threatening Washington, D.C. next.

http://www.13newsnow.com/story...video/75864068/
http://www.cnn.com/videos/worl...hington-npw.cnn
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#85 Posted: 16:48:04 16/11/2015
Quote: AvatariDragon



secret service agents trained to shoot targets from 1000 yards away and have enough equipment to take over a small country vs barbarians.

even if they attack dc, they'll more then likely end up doing jack diddly.
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#86 Posted: 16:50:59 16/11/2015
ISIS needs to die. They are ****ing retards. They should imagine if they were the people they killed. So many people killed by these losers
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#87 Posted: 17:01:51 16/11/2015
Quote: skylandersspyro
ISIS needs to die. They are ****ing retards. They should imagine if they were the people they killed. So many people killed by these losers


Their opinion on those people is exactly that. The whole line of thought is deserving to die for not sharing the ideology, and being less than worth living.
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#88 Posted: 17:05:19 16/11/2015
Quote: Bifrost
Quote: skylandersspyro
ISIS needs to die. They are ****ing retards. They should imagine if they were the people they killed. So many people killed by these losers


Their opinion on those people is exactly that. The whole line of thought is deserving to die for not sharing the ideology, and being less than worth living.



Thats bad.
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#89 Posted: 18:26:26 16/11/2015
You'd have to be mad to even consider a world war in this day and age, but since were talking about ISIS, they seem crazy enough to do it. How many more times will they provoke other western civilizations until the strain becomes too much to bear?
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#90 Posted: 18:34:35 16/11/2015
Quote: MoonHorizons
Quote: AvatariDragon



secret service agents trained to shoot targets from 1000 yards away and have enough equipment to take over a small country vs barbarians.

even if they attack dc, they'll more then likely end up doing jack diddly.


They're more than barbarians and these recent attacks are proving that.
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#91 Posted: 19:23:56 16/11/2015
The choir group I'm in had an impromptu concert paying respects to the victims, one of which was a friend of mine's Grandfather. It's a horrible tragedy.

I can only hope the survivors can recover safely and the families and friends of the victims stay safe.
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#92 Posted: 20:07:25 16/11/2015
Quote: AvatariDragon



Well......hopefully I'm not effected. I don't live in D.C., but I'm very close to it.

Hopefully they're all bark and no bite this time around.
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#93 Posted: 21:28:02 16/11/2015
Quote: Spyro Fanatic
You'd have to be mad to even consider a world war in this day and age, but since were talking about ISIS, they seem crazy enough to do it. How many more times will they provoke other western civilizations until the strain becomes too much to bear?



Not a world war. See my earlier post
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#94 Posted: 21:57:20 16/11/2015
Quote: CAV
I swear I recall hearing about how the US at least (not other nations) had a habit of just sort of bombing where they think they are, which lead to high risk of civilian casualties.

I'm probably wrong. I'm sorry.

EDIT: Genuine question though. What about sending on foot troops to handle these locations with supposed ISIS troops? Would this be more or less effective than what they're (or we're) already doing?


sending troops vs sending drones is a completely different kind of warfare. sending troops is a pretty huge deal on an international scale considering it means that you're invading a foreign country as opposed to just attacking them. besides, the middle east is practically the wild west right now and invading the middle east has a similar reputation to invading russia. historically hasn't ever ended well.

at this point, almost any military action to try and stop a middle-eastern insurrection is only going to create a bigger one in the long run, which is exactly why we have isis in the first place. all of these middle-eastern terrorist organizations are the direct result of other nations' interference with the middle east.


Quote: MoonHorizons
Quote: AvatariDragon



secret service agents trained to shoot targets from 1000 yards away and have enough equipment to take over a small country vs barbarians.

even if they attack dc, they'll more then likely end up doing jack diddly.



paris is just as well guarded if not much more so than dc so i don't really see the logic here.
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#95 Posted: 22:17:35 16/11/2015
I don't know much about how anything in this subject works (I don't really even know how ISIS, the government, wars, etc work), but I want to ask a possibly dumb question:

With these new enemies that ISIS has gained (being the US, France and now Annonymous beetween others), how could this affect the state of ISIS? Could it deteriorate them enough to the point where they're not a "threat" anymore?
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#96 Posted: 23:20:33 16/11/2015
@DummyZ: I'm not too sure about that. Getting ISIS out of, say, Syria is not going to be a very easy task to do. The regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad really only controls about 20% of the territory in Syria right now. ISIS controls the most. Then there are various other rebel groups with small claims and Israel annexed a portion of southern Syria a couple of decades back.

I think this is a bit of a military quagmire at the moment. It's not the extent of Iraq and Afghanistan because the number of feet on the ground in Syria doesn't compare in the slightest, but it certainly has the potential to be just as bad, if not worse.
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#97 Posted: 01:56:58 17/11/2015
Quote: Spyro Fanatic
You'd have to be mad to even consider a world war in this day and age, but since were talking about ISIS, they seem crazy enough to do it. How many more times will they provoke other western civilizations until the strain becomes too much to bear?



you cant have ww3 against a terrorist group only multiple countries.
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#98 Posted: 02:17:40 17/11/2015
Quote: CAV
EDIT: Genuine question though. What about sending on foot troops to handle these locations with supposed ISIS troops? Would this be more or less effective than what they're (or we're) already doing?



Special forces and counter-terrorism units (which we're already doing), maybe.

Regular troops? No. Absolutely not.
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