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Not to mention that there have been hints dropped in certain Sonic games and what not that make it viable to view Sonic himself as transgender/gender fluid.

I sincerely hope that entire post was a joke.

Nope.

I'm just saying it how it is. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

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Not to mention that there have been hints dropped in certain Sonic games and what not that make it viable to view Sonic himself as transgender/gender fluid.

I sincerely hope that entire post was a joke.

Nope.

I'm just saying it how it is. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

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Not to mention that there have been hints dropped in certain Sonic games and what not that make it viable to view Sonic himself as transgender/gender fluid.

I sincerely hope that entire post was a joke.

Nope.

I'm just saying it how it is. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

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I sincerely hope that entire post was a joke.

Nope.

I'm just saying it how it is. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

He's a ****ing animated hedgehog are you serious right now

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Oyes, she's DEFINITELY Rule 34 material all right. :p

Especially Yuri Rule 34, I want to see her and Zelda be romantic towards each other

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Nope.

I'm just saying it how it is. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

He's a ****ing animated hedgehog are you serious right now

>implying animated characters don't have character traits because literally how else do you form a character

do u even think about ur posts like seriously

In case you guys are wondering though, the main thing I am referring to is a certain Hub World conversation you can have as Sonic in Sonic Unleashed.

There is a woman who can "tell your fortune" in the Shamar hub world by the time you get to around end-game, and you answer questions as part of that. One of the questions is "Are you a boy or a girl?".

You can choose what Sonic answers with, and one of the options is an unironic "I'm a girl".

All of the dialogue options in Sonic Unleashed are actually tailoured to be things Sonic might actually say, so basically, SEGA/Sonic Team officially made it so that viewing Sonic as transgender is an acceptable and viable view on the character.

This is before getting into some established feminine traits he has, such as his love for flowers.



I don't know why you guys are getting uppity with me. I'm just stating it as is. I didn't write the character. If you don't like that these things are true, that's your problem, but I'm not the one to get angry with if you have a problem with it.

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Nope.

I'm just saying it how it is. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

He's a ****ing animated hedgehog are you serious right now

>implying animated characters don't have character traits because literally how else do you form a character

do u even think about ur posts like seriously

In case you guys are wondering though, the main thing I am referring to is a certain Hub World conversation you can have as Sonic in Sonic Unleashed.

There is a woman who can "tell your fortune" in the Shamar hub world by the time you get to around end-game, and you answer questions as part of that. One of the questions is "Are you a boy or a girl?".

You can choose what Sonic answers with, and one of the options is an unironic "I'm a girl".

All of the dialogue options in Sonic Unleashed are actually tailoured to be things Sonic might actually say, so basically, SEGA/Sonic Team officially made it so that viewing Sonic as transgender is an acceptable and viable view on the character (he could also be genderfluid, especially since you can change your answers to the questions every time you repeat the questionnaire).

This is before getting into some established feminine traits he has, such as his love for flowers.



I don't know why you guys are getting uppity with me. I'm just stating it as is. I didn't write the character. If you don't like that these things are true, that's your problem, but I'm not the one to get angry with if you have a problem with it.

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He's a ****ing animated hedgehog are you serious right now

>implying animated characters don't have character traits because literally how else do you form a character

do u even think about ur posts like seriously

In case you guys are wondering though, the main thing I am referring to is a certain Hub World conversation you can have as Sonic in Sonic Unleashed.

There is a woman who can "tell your fortune" in the Shamar hub world by the time you get to around end-game, and you answer questions as part of that. One of the questions is "Are you a boy or a girl?".

You can choose what Sonic answers with, and one of the options is an unironic "I'm a girl".

All of the dialogue options in Sonic Unleashed are actually tailoured to be things Sonic might actually say, so basically, SEGA/Sonic Team officially made it so that viewing Sonic as transgender is an acceptable and viable view on the character.

This is before getting into some established feminine traits he has, such as his love for flowers.



I don't know why you guys are getting uppity with me. I'm just stating it as is. I didn't write the character. If you don't like that these things are true, that's your problem, but I'm not the one to get angry with if you have a problem with it.

nice fanfic, mate :^) you bait'ing right?

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Nope.

I'm just saying it how it is. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

He's a ****ing animated hedgehog are you serious right now

>implying animated characters don't have character traits because literally how else do you form a character

do u even think about ur posts like seriously

In case you guys are wondering though, the main thing I am referring to is a certain Hub World conversation you can have as Sonic in Sonic Unleashed.

There is a woman who can "tell your fortune" in the Shamar hub world by the time you get to around end-game, and you answer questions as part of that. One of the questions is "Are you a boy or a girl?".

You can choose what Sonic answers with, and one of the options is an unironic "I'm a girl".

All of the dialogue options in Sonic Unleashed are actually tailoured to be things Sonic might actually say, so basically, SEGA/Sonic Team officially made it so that viewing Sonic as transgender is an acceptable and viable view on the character (he could also be genderfluid, especially since you can change your answers to the questions every time you repeat the questionnaire).

This is before getting into some established feminine traits he has, such as his love for flowers.

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I don't know why you guys are getting uppity with me. I'm just stating it as is. I didn't write the character. If you don't like that these things are true, that's your problem, but I'm not the one to get angry with if you have a problem with it.

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Nope.

I'm just saying it how it is. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

He's a ****ing animated hedgehog are you serious right now

>implying animated characters don't have character traits because literally how else do you form a character

do u even think about ur posts like seriously

In case you guys are wondering though, the main thing I am referring to is a certain Hub World conversation you can have as Sonic in Sonic Unleashed.

There is a woman who can "tell your fortune" in the Shamar hub world by the time you get to around end-game, and you answer questions as part of that. One of the questions is "Are you a boy or a girl?".

You can choose what Sonic answers with, and one of the options is an unironic "I'm a girl".

All of the dialogue options in Sonic Unleashed are actually tailoured to be things Sonic might actually say, so basically, SEGA/Sonic Team officially made it so that viewing Sonic as transgender is an acceptable and viable view on the character (he could also be genderfluid, especially since you can change your answers to the questions every time you repeat the questionnaire).

This is before getting into some established feminine traits he has, such as his love for flowers.



I don't know why you guys are getting uppity with me. I'm just stating it as is. I didn't write the character. If you don't like that these things are true, that's your problem, but I'm not the one to get angry with if you have a problem with it.

thats nice but being feminine has nothing to do with being female

you can ask Amy out in the same game.

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He's a ****ing animated hedgehog are you serious right now

>implying animated characters don't have character traits because literally how else do you form a character

do u even think about ur posts like seriously

In case you guys are wondering though, the main thing I am referring to is a certain Hub World conversation you can have as Sonic in Sonic Unleashed.

There is a woman who can "tell your fortune" in the Shamar hub world by the time you get to around end-game, and you answer questions as part of that. One of the questions is "Are you a boy or a girl?".

You can choose what Sonic answers with, and one of the options is an unironic "I'm a girl".

All of the dialogue options in Sonic Unleashed are actually tailoured to be things Sonic might actually say, so basically, SEGA/Sonic Team officially made it so that viewing Sonic as transgender is an acceptable and viable view on the character (he could also be genderfluid, especially since you can change your answers to the questions every time you repeat the questionnaire).

This is before getting into some established feminine traits he has, such as his love for flowers.

[img]http://40.media.tumblr.com/bcd3f4c01d34509bcc8d3733cfd63389/tumblr_mmwf2sJPLW1s9pusko1_500.png[img]

I don't know why you guys are getting uppity with me. I'm just stating it as is. I didn't write the character. If you don't like that these things are true, that's your problem, but I'm not the one to get angry with if you have a problem with it.

please be bait

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thats nice but being feminine has nothing to do with being female

It kinda does when you can say "I am female" (in relation to gender).

A few things about this though, you could in fact argue that it the lady was in fact speaking to the player, and not so much Sonic.

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A few things about this though, you could in fact argue that it the lady was in fact speaking to the player, and not so much Sonic.

That's like saying "the player is choosing to have sex with Liara, not Commander Shepard".

>implying animated characters don't have character traits because literally how else do you form a character

do u even think about ur posts like seriously

At 1:04

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It kinda does when you can say "I am female" (in relation to gender).

No? you don't have to have feminine traits to identify as female.
A lot of females are masculine as all hell and a lot of males have really feminine traits, both physically and in terms of behaviour.

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It kinda does when you can say "I am female" (in relation to gender).

No? you don't have to have feminine traits to identify as female.
A lot of females are masculine as all hell and a lot of males have really feminine traits, both physically and in terms of behaviour.

When writing fictional characters though, you have to give characters who identify as female feminine traits. Otherwise, how do you got across they are female while still making it have any substance?

Hence, why Sonic is INTENTIONALLY given some feminine traits and masculine traits by the writers (creating a sense of neutrality), and then they follow that up with giving the player the option to outright make him say he's either or.

My point isn't "SONIC'S TRANSGENDER AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE SO, YOU'RE STOOPID". My point is that it's a viable interpretation, as the writers have clearly gone out of their way to give players the ability to make a choice, both literally in-game, and by making his personality traits a balance of feminine and masculine.

SONICBRAWLER WHY ARE YOU ATTRIBUTING A LOVE OF FLOWERS TO WOMEN


IS THAT A MICROAGGRESSION I SEE


WE MUST BRUTALLY, MERCILESSLY TEAR HIM ASUNDER

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SONICBRAWLER WHY ARE YOU ATTRIBUTING A LOVE OF FLOWERS TO WOMEN


IS THAT A MICROAGGRESSION I SEE


WE MUST BRUTALLY, MERCILESSLY TEAR HIM ASUNDER

Tumblr would have a field day.

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SONICBRAWLER WHY ARE YOU ATTRIBUTING A LOVE OF FLOWERS TO WOMEN


IS THAT A MICROAGGRESSION I SEE


WE MUST BRUTALLY, MERCILESSLY TEAR HIM ASUNDER

Tumblr would have a field day.

"Field day" is a microagression as well, I'm afraid.
As You are comparing young children who still go on field trips to whiny users of Tumblr.
Why, Seiki? Why are You attacking the children?

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SONICBRAWLER WHY ARE YOU ATTRIBUTING A LOVE OF FLOWERS TO WOMEN


IS THAT A MICROAGGRESSION I SEE


WE MUST BRUTALLY, MERCILESSLY TEAR HIM ASUNDER

Tumblr would have a field day.

"Field day" is a microagression as well, I'm afraid.
As You are comparing young children who still go on field trips to whiny users of Tumblr.
Why, Seiki? Why are You attacking the children?

But seriously feminine and masculine traits don't make a person trans.

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Tumblr would have a field day.

"Field day" is a microagression as well, I'm afraid.
As You are comparing young children who still go on field trips to whiny users of Tumblr.
Why, Seiki? Why are You attacking the children?

"Field day" is also a U.S. Marine Corps term for when Marines clean their entire barracks from top to bottom. Normally for when a special guest visits the base.

Why are you attacking Marines, Seiki?

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But seriously feminine and masculine traits don't make a person trans.

I didn't say they do.

I said they mean something when the character can outright say "I am male/female". Because you can't convey a fictional character as a certain gender without giving them masculine and feminine traits.

It's different IRL because you kinda just take people's word for it, they are what they feel they are. But with characters, you can't just say "this character is male" and have them act like a girl in every aspect, because then you run into what is called "informed characterisation", which is considered bad writing.

As an example, Princess Daisy in Mario is described as a "tomboy" in bios, but she doesn't act at all boyish in any of her portrayals. That's called informed characterisation. You don't just tell the audience "this character is this kind of thing" and not at all convey it.

Out of Sonic's entire backstory, canon AND non-canon, you're taking one shallow aspect in one game and using it as speculated evidence for a major character attribute?

Real bad writing is saying that a male character is always open to new experiences and all he does is wrestle bears and drink beer.

-Cross-dressed willingly on multiple occassions
-Played the "female" role in dance routines
-Engaged in girly games with Cream and such

That's NOTHING like it. A girl does not need to do girly things to be a girl. The world is not black and white, and fiction draws from real life. You're trying to make your entire point on that the character NEEDS to follow a stereotype or they're obviously wanting to be another gender, that's bull.

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That's NOTHING like it. A girl does not need to do girly things to be a girl. The world is not black and white, and fiction draws from real life. You're trying to make your entire point on that the character NEEDS to follow a stereotype or they're obviously wanting to be another gender, that's bull.

I'm not saying they have to follow a stereotype.

Like, if your character is a girl in a man's body, you generally have to convey it in some way other than having them say they are a girl, otherwise it comes off as a vein attempt to say "LOL LOOK I'M POLITICALLY CORRECT BECAUSE I TOLD THE VIEWER MY CHARACTER IS TRANSGENDER".

I'm not saying they have to be the epitome of femininity. I'm not saying they have to be flamboyant. But if someone identifies themself as a girl, it's generally for a reason, and that reason should give you the tell that they are a girl.

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A few things about this though, you could in fact argue that it the lady was in fact speaking to the player, and not so much Sonic.

That's like saying "the player is choosing to have sex with Liara, not Commander Shepard".

Sonic is controlled by the player though, the player makes the choice, not Sonic.

This is a very loose argument that's based off the assumption that the question was aimed towards Sonic and not the player, not just a fun little thing that kids would find cool because it's "accurate to how they really are".

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That's NOTHING like it. A girl does not need to do girly things to be a girl. The world is not black and white, and fiction draws from real life. You're trying to make your entire point on that the character NEEDS to follow a stereotype or they're obviously wanting to be another gender, that's bull.

I'm not saying they have to follow a stereotype.

Like, if your character is a girl in a man's body, you generally have to convey it in some way other than having them say they are a girl, otherwise it comes off as a vein attempt to say "LOL LOOK I'M POLITICALLY CORRECT BECAUSE I TOLD THE VIEWER MY CHARACTER IS TRANSGENDER".

I'm not saying they have to be the epitome of femininity. I'm not saying they have to be flamboyant. But if someone identifies themself as a girl, it's generally for a reason, and that reason should give you the tell that they are a girl.

I would argue Peach is less girly than Daisy, and Rosalina is the only Mario female with actual tomboy traits.

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This is a very loose argument that's based off the assumption that the question was aimed towards Sonic and not the player, not just a fun little thing that kids would find cool because it's "accurate to how they really are".

Did you read any of the other things I posted?

And no, it's from the perspective of Sonic. It literally has his name on the dialogue box.

I like how people change their mind on stuff like this when it suits them. Talk about how the dialogue choices in Skyward Sword for Link or for Commander Shepard in Mass Effect are fleshing out his character (even despite NOT having his name on the boxes)? Just fine, no problem there.

Talk about the same thing with Sonic when the box has his name on it and point out how it makes it viable to INTERPRET him as transgender (i.e. I never said he concretely is and I myself view him as a boy)? "NUH UH IT'S JUST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PLAYER".

what is this topic and why does it have two pages

what is this topic and why does it have two pages

what is this topic and why does it have two pages

Is sonic unleashed even canon anymore? Even if sonikbrawler was right, theres no evidence to say that sonic is trans in sonic boom