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"how do i get my dog or cat to have a vegan diet?????????"
"dogs and cats aren't carnivores!!! check your facts idiot!!"
"my dog/cat is perfectly healthy on a vegan diet thank you very much :)"

whats the point of being a vegetarian if you're making animals suffer anyway :^(

I'm vegan and I don't make my pets suffer

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It's actually unhealthy to be vegan, you need meat in certain amounts. They eat no meat, and no dairy products. So two essential food groups are out. Just... Vegetables. And grains. And their fake chicken nuggets.

My thoughts

You can get nutrition from other things beside meat and milk. Plz don't make me argue with you.

Quote: Cynderfan507

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It's actually unhealthy to be vegan, you need meat in certain amounts. They eat no meat, and no dairy products. So two essential food groups are out. Just... Vegetables. And grains. And their fake chicken nuggets.

My thoughts

I had a friend who was a vegetarian in college and I ate a few of those chicken nuggets and they were great. Except for being a little softer they tasted identical to real ones. Then again, she might have just prepared them really well.

I just wish vegetables tasted better. You'd think with how healthy vegetables are that we'd have evolved so that vegetables taste like candy to us. After all, eating vegetables makes us more likely to live longer and reproduce more. Shouldn't natural selection favor people who love the taste of vegetables?


Similarly, why have we evolved to love sugar so much when it's virtually useless to our bodies and just makes us more likely to get fat and die young?

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I just wish vegetables tasted better. You'd think with how healthy vegetables are that we'd have evolved so that vegetables taste like candy to us. After all, eating vegetables makes us more likely to live longer and reproduce more. Shouldn't natural selection favor people who love the taste of vegetables?


Similarly, why have we evolved to love sugar so much when it's virtually useless to our bodies and just makes us more likely to get fat and die young?

that's a good question

the meat industry sickens me and although i'd like to have a more vegan-based diet i just REALLYY prefer meat over fruits and veggies

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It's actually unhealthy to be vegan, you need meat in certain amounts. They eat no meat, and no dairy products. So two essential food groups are out. Just... Vegetables. And grains. And their fake chicken nuggets.

My thoughts

You can get nutrition from other things beside meat and milk. Plz don't make me argue with you.

I don't understand, explain.

Quote: Thunderdragon14

the meat industry sickens me and although i'd like to have a more vegan-based diet i just REALLYY prefer meat over fruits and veggies

Same. I'm a picky eater so if I took meat and animal products out of my diet I would basically be living off of junk food and a few vegetables. Doesn't sound very healthy tbh :/

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It's actually unhealthy to be vegan, you need meat in certain amounts. They eat no meat, and no dairy products. So two essential food groups are out. Just... Vegetables. And grains. And their fake chicken nuggets.

My thoughts

I'm on a 3 month diet for medical reasons, and I'm not supposed to have dairy, soy, wheat, sugar of any kind, chicken, any fruits or vegetables that aren't organic, and about a million other things. It really sucks.

I think the main problem is that it's not too different from a big popular fandom - you'll hear mostly the dumb people who won't shut up about how you're a disgusting meat eater. There are nice vegans, nice vegetarians, just like there are brands of jerk for every ideology.

Though seriously vegan diets for your pets aren't really a nice idea unless you plan it out really well. YES, you could probably reduce the meat to a nice percentage if it's still healthy and supplying them with what their bodies can't make on their own, but don't think your cat can have the exact same diet as you have just because you think it's right. I mean you don't give them chocolate just because you like it,same applies to other food.

My sister is a vegetarian so I tried some of her veggie hot dogs.

They were disgusting.

I've tried vegan food but I seriously can't deal with too much soy. It's like I'm eating bread with a sandwich with bread sauce and slices of bread, delicious the first bite and heck on the last.

Fruits are better than veggies.

Quote: Muffin Man

I just wish vegetables tasted better. You'd think with how healthy vegetables are that we'd have evolved so that vegetables taste like candy to us. After all, eating vegetables makes us more likely to live longer and reproduce more. Shouldn't natural selection favor people who love the taste of vegetables?


Similarly, why have we evolved to love sugar so much when it's virtually useless to our bodies and just makes us more likely to get fat and die young?

^This so much omg.

Great point, can't agree more.

Also: Because who needs logic? apparently our bodies don't do it, either.

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I think the main problem is that it's not too different from a big popular fandom - you'll hear mostly the dumb people who won't shut up about how you're a disgusting meat eater. There are nice vegans, nice vegetarians, just like there are brands of jerk for every ideology.

Though seriously vegan diets for your pets aren't really a nice idea unless you plan it out really well. YES, you could probably reduce the meat to a nice percentage if it's still healthy and supplying them with what their bodies can't make on their own, but don't think your cat can have the exact same diet as you have just because you think it's right. I mean you don't give them chocolate just because you like it,same applies to other food.

It depends on the sugar, are you talking about natural sugars or artificial?

I read about it so long ago I have no idea about specific types. I meant more proteins the animal can't synthesize on their own; they're not the same as yours,and sometimes it's even more than just protein and vitamins unlike what biology class tells you. You can't just copy and paste what you eat to your cat, plus make it look edible to it to begin with, because it's healthy to you; it takes research,it takes discussing it with a legit vet, it takes testing because the pet may look healthy now, later on it may develop a deficiency, and it won't "tell" you like a kid developing food allergies(might be stretching the analogy a bit).

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I just wish vegetables tasted better. You'd think with how healthy vegetables are that we'd have evolved so that vegetables taste like candy to us. After all, eating vegetables makes us more likely to live longer and reproduce more. Shouldn't natural selection favor people who love the taste of vegetables?


Similarly, why have we evolved to love sugar so much when it's virtually useless to our bodies and just makes us more likely to get fat and die young?

Alright. Science time.
1.Evolution takes a long, long time to make a huge change. We didn't know that vegetables were extra healthy to us when we were cavemen.
2.Calories. Sugar and meats provide more calories to us than some measly vegetables. Back when food was not plentiful calories were all we needed to survive
So yeah, evolution and the conditions of ancient times play a huge factor in why most humans favor fatty and caloric foods *subconciously*

Quote: Bifrost

I read about it so long ago I have no idea about specific types. I meant more proteins the animal can't synthesize on their own; they're not the same as yours,and sometimes it's even more than just protein and vitamins unlike what biology class tells you. You can't just copy and paste what you eat to your cat, plus make it look edible to it to begin with, because it's healthy to you; it takes research,it takes discussing it with a legit vet, it takes testing because the pet may look healthy now, later on it may develop a deficiency, and it won't tell you unlike a kid developing allergies.

Fun fact: Most, if not all dogs are allergic to the following:
-Avacado
-Grapes
-Onions and Garlic
-Macadamia nuts
-Chocolate
-Peaches and Plums (more so just the seeds and pits.)

Doggies need lean meats and veggies to be healthy, and they can eat fresh fruits such as watermelon, apples and banana's.

Also about sugars: It works pretty much the same in all animals though, natural sugars, like glucose, actually give us energy. We get natural sugars from veggies.

Vegetarian ≠ vegan.

why are most vegetarians stupid

im vegetarian hi goodbye

Quote: BigBoom

im vegetarian hi goodbye

cya .

ew veggies

seriously though the majority of my diet is based off of meat and dairy so vegans can vee their gans somewhere else

Quote: BigBoom

im vegetarian hi goodbye

Join the club :^)

vegans suck.

I definitely don't agree with feeding your pets a vegan diet, since they're still mostly meat eaters and its really cruel, but I don't see why people are so adverse to vegetarians and vegans. Usually its due to their views on the meat industry, animal cruelty, and stuff like that, but I've known a few that are vegans or vegetarians simply because they don't like the taste of meat. It's just another viewpoint.

tl;dr Don't do this:

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vegans suck.

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vegans suck.

I-

okay.

*leaves thread*

my ancestors didnt fight and die for tens of thousands of years to become apex predators only for me not to enjoy the benefits of it

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I definitely don't agree with feeding your pets a vegan diet, since they're still mostly meat eaters and its really cruel, but I don't see why people are so adverse to vegetarians and vegans. Usually its due to their views on the meat industry, animal cruelty, and stuff like that, but I've known a few that are vegans or vegetarians simply because they don't like the taste of meat. It's just another viewpoint.

tl;dr Don't do this:

Quote: ZapNorris

vegans suck.

^This, thank you.

As everyone knows, every group ever has "those" people in it, and then everyone else just goes ahead and bunches them all up in a group....

*throws non-existent hat into air* because who needs logic/basic thinking these days amirite!??!??!?!?

My cousin-in-law had a full mane and beard. Then he became vegan, and was almost bald within a few years.

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my ancestors didnt fight and die for tens of thousands of years to become apex predators only for me not to enjoy the benefits of it

this is content i come to see.

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my ancestors didnt fight and die for tens of thousands of years to become apex predators only for me not to enjoy the benefits of it

cant wait for that freshly skinned mammoth amirite

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I definitely don't agree with feeding your pets a vegan diet, since they're still mostly meat eaters and its really cruel, but I don't see why people are so adverse to vegetarians and vegans. Usually its due to their views on the meat industry, animal cruelty, and stuff like that, but I've known a few that are vegans or vegetarians simply because they don't like the taste of meat. It's just another viewpoint.

tl;dr Don't do this:

Quote: ZapNorris

vegans suck.

^This, thank you.

As everyone knows, every group ever has "those" people in it, and then everyone else just goes ahead and bunches them all up in a group....

*throws non-existent hat into air* because who needs logic/basic thinking these days amirite!??!??!?!?

The worst and most radical people in a group tend to be heard the loudest. It's somewhat depressing.
I'd like to have faith in dS though because we're all rational, free-thinking people, right?

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My cousin-in-law had a full mane and beard. Then he became vegan, and was almost bald within a few years.

i'm sorry for your loss.

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my ancestors didnt fight and die for tens of thousands of years to become apex predators only for me not to enjoy the benefits of it

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My cousin-in-law had a full mane and beard. Then he became vegan, and was almost bald within a few years.

i'm sorry for your loss.

Actually my cousin divorced him because she discovered that she was a lesbian.

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My cousin-in-law had a full mane and beard. Then he became vegan, and was almost bald within a few years.

i'm sorry for your loss.

Actually my cousin divorced him because she discovered that she was a lesbian.

One of my old "friend's" mom sold their house and made him couch surf when he was 15 because she decided to go become a polygamist lesbian in Morocco :^)

There's this girl at my school that has been with us since fifth grade (unfortunately) and she just recently became a vegetarian last year and I don't care at all but I started to care when she started basically forcing it on everyone else. I wouldn't say she was literally forcing it on us like oh be a vegetarian or else but she tries to make people feel so bad for not being vegetarians and it's so incredibly stupid! I don't care at all and it doesn't matter if you choose to be a vegetarian, but I hate when people try to make you feel bad for eating meat. It doesn't work at all either.

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I just wish vegetables tasted better. You'd think with how healthy vegetables are that we'd have evolved so that vegetables taste like candy to us. After all, eating vegetables makes us more likely to live longer and reproduce more. Shouldn't natural selection favor people who love the taste of vegetables?


Similarly, why have we evolved to love sugar so much when it's virtually useless to our bodies and just makes us more likely to get fat and die young?

Alright. Science time.
1.Evolution takes a long, long time to make a huge change. We didn't know that vegetables were extra healthy to us when we were cavemen.
2.Calories. Sugar and meats provide more calories to us than some measly vegetables. Back when food was not plentiful calories were all we needed to survive
So yeah, evolution and the conditions of ancient times play a huge factor in why most humans favor fatty and caloric foods *subconciously*

Hmm, that's a good point. I didn't consider the relatively sudden impact that modern technology has had on the food we have access to.

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There's this girl at my school that has been with us since fifth grade (unfortunately) and she just recently became a vegetarian last year and I don't care at all but I started to care when she started basically forcing it on everyone else. I wouldn't say she was literally forcing it on us like oh be a vegetarian or else but she tries to make people feel so bad for not being vegetarians and it's so incredibly stupid! I don't care at all and it doesn't matter if you choose to be a vegetarian, but I hate when people try to make you feel bad for eating meat. It doesn't work at all either.

When I volunteering for a week at the rabbit orphanage next door the two people also volunteering on one day were having a lengthy conversation similar to this - they were saying things like "I don't care how much you claim you love animals; if you eat meat, it means you don't really care about them." and I felt so uncomfortable holy cow-
Thankfully they didn't bring me into the chat until at the end of it when they asked me if I eat meat - it's safe to say they changed the subject quite quickly after that. ;;;;;

People who use the argument 'you don't love animals if you eat them' are just grasping for straws. If you love nature so much, why you use paper? Why you enslave your plants in pots so they'll flower? Why do you step on that poor grass? Trying to win by feels instead of arguments eventually just falls flat on its face.

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Why do you step on that poor grass?

This made my day

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I don't hate vegans or vegetarians. I just don't like stupid people, so I don't like the stupid people who are vegan or vegetarian.
I do, however, think it's unhealthy. Being a vegan, anyways. Vegetarian is fine, since they still eat dairy. Not AS healthy as eating food from all food groups, but most of the groups is better than like half.

Well, I have to be semi vegan, because I'm allergic to milk.

It's a vegetable worshipping cult.

GREEBLE

Your signature fits everything my god agh

Leave the "stupid vegetarians" be. They're stupid. Doesn't mean you have to listen to them.

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People who use the argument 'you don't love animals if you eat them' are just grasping for straws. If you love nature so much, why you use paper? Why you enslave your plants in pots so they'll flower? Why do you step on that poor grass? Trying to win by feels instead of arguments eventually just falls flat on its face.

Well plants can't feel anything really. So there's kinda a difference.

Note: I am not a vegan and unless I'm informed that all meat and dairy products contain cyanide I never will be. I'm gonna go off what I know; if anyone else knows more or is an actual vegan by all means correct me.

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It's actually unhealthy to be vegan, you need meat in certain amounts. They eat no meat, and no dairy products. So two essential food groups are out. Just... Vegetables. And grains. And their fake chicken nuggets.

My thoughts

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I don't understand, explain.

A vegan lifestyle can actually be really healthy if you do it right. Among the biggest benefits for eating meat and dairy are protein and calcium, both of which can be found in other foods or have supplements you can take (protein in particular I can think of a good few examples of how to get without meat). Meat is really good for protein and other nutrients but depending on the cut, amount, and how it's cooked it can also include a good deal of fat (ok in moderation) and cholesterol (rarely ever good). So finding protein in other ways just cuts out some of those negative effects.

Vegan diets could be beneficial to your health and most vegans I hear about tend to be in great health and shape. But of course it's also easier and more healthy nowadays where there's more and better alternatives for them compared to a few decades ago. And of course forcing your pets on a vegan diet unless they're natural herbivores should be seen as animal abuse.

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Quote: Bifrost

People who use the argument 'you don't love animals if you eat them' are just grasping for straws. If you love nature so much, why you use paper? Why you enslave your plants in pots so they'll flower? Why do you step on that poor grass? Trying to win by feels instead of arguments eventually just falls flat on its face.

Well plants can't feel anything really. So there's kinda a difference.

It's easier to ignore them because of that, but they're still living creatures.
Not that I'm speaking out against eating either. I'm just for not supporting companies that do grossly unethical practices to get the food.

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Note: I am not a vegan and unless I'm informed that all meat and dairy products contain cyanide I never will be. I'm gonna go off what I know; if anyone else knows more or is an actual vegan by all means correct me.

Quote: Cynderfan507

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It's actually unhealthy to be vegan, you need meat in certain amounts. They eat no meat, and no dairy products. So two essential food groups are out. Just... Vegetables. And grains. And their fake chicken nuggets.

My thoughts

Quote: parisruelz12

I don't understand, explain.

A vegan lifestyle can actually be really healthy if you do it right. Among the biggest benefits for eating meat and dairy are protein and calcium, both of which can be found in other foods or have supplements you can take (protein in particular I can think of a good few examples of how to get without meat). Meat is really good for protein and other nutrients but depending on the cut, amount, and how it's cooked it can also include a good deal of fat (ok in moderation) and cholesterol (rarely ever good). So finding protein in other ways just cuts out some of those negative effects.

Vegan diets could be beneficial to your health and most vegans I hear about tend to be in great health and shape. But of course it's also easier and more healthy nowadays where there's more and better alternatives for them compared to a few decades ago. And of course forcing your pets on a vegan diet unless they're natural herbivores should be seen as animal abuse.

Well, unless you live a fairly sedentary lifestyle, getting essential nutrients from supplements won't really cut it: you need food.

But the rest is correct.