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This may have been discussed, but I searched and found nothing...

As a certified Nintendo fanboy and Wii U owner, I'm getting the Wii U Dark Starter (preordered from Amazon) and the 3DS Starter (waiting to see what deal TRU has on launch day so I can get it as a starter set if that is required for a BOGO on other items) sets.

Anyhoo... I was just reviewing the HD poster that was shared here and it dawned on me for the first time that the only 2 characters whose elements do not match their vehicles' elements are Bowser and DK. Bowser is Fire with an Air vehicle and Donkey Kong is Life with a Tech vehicle.

Will this be an advantage (like having mixed swap force characters from two elements allowing both elemental gate types) or some kind of disadvantage or neither? If neither, then why would they be designed this way? They certainly could have made the guest stars from the Nintendo universe match their vehicles if they desired.

Because because. They're not part of the all-console lineup,so VV just did whatever they wanted. I don't think they're in the poster either.

They weren't on the poster in the SuperChargers lineup given out at the TRU event.

the reason they dont match is because thats how they always have been. bowser had that flying ship thing of his in some of the mario game and DK..well there are always barrels. so they just took these themes and created a vehicle out of them. these are the only 2 characters where they actually had limitations on when creating. all other characters/vehicles they had no restrictions on outside of " we need more water vehicles". this is why ill never consider DK and bowser part of the "20 figures and vehicles". there not skylanders, there a nintendo gimik to sell more wii/wii U versions of the game, nothing else.

Just because the Clown Car flies doesn't make it Air, just because barrels/minecarts means it has anything to do with Tech. The elements were chosen as the designs went, not from the inspirations.

The reason is because they programmed it so that sky vehicles could only be Air, Life, and Light elements, while land vehicles could only be Tech, Fire, Undead, and Earth elements. It's pretty dumb, honestly.

I personally probably would have given Bowser some kind of fire tank, and DK a barrel jet plane, but whatever, both of them are cool as they are right now.

Also, the Wii U version of the poster will probably have DK and Bowser on it. Weren't the Toys R Us ones from like, the Xbone or something?.

They are also the only vehicles which don't look like their pilots.
All the other characters have features which immediately make you say "Ehy, that must be X vehicle!".

I know, I know... Bowser's plane is rather iconic and Donkey Kong's minecart is kinda taken from the Country games, I think.
Of course they could have given them Fire and Life features (you know... Like they did with Stealth Stinger for example) but that would have meant putting effort and try to make them fit the game more... And we clearly don't want it.

So yes... Clown Cruiser could have easily been Light or even Life... As long as it it a Sky terrain Element, everything is fine.

Honestly I would have loved to see Bowser with his car from Super Mario 3D World.

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For what it's worth, the cars suit the characters so if they bounce over into other element territories what does it really matter? After all they could have all been made up elements like the Banana Element.

banana element *shudders*

Yes.
It could have been much worse.

Bowser's could have had a Turtle Element.
Let's just take what we have and be' happy with it.

I wasn't complaining, it just seemed like an intentional design decision and I wonder why. DK could be in a wooden soap box car and still be considered life just like Stealth Elf's vehicle is. Bowser could have been in any other vehicle from his past, then just make it shoot fire, etc and call it fire... if that is what they wanted to do.

I like them both as they are. Heck, they were the features that pushed me over the tipping point and convinced me to stay on board for one more Skylanders game, albeit with a sharp reduction in collecting this time. From a sales standpoint I think it was a stroke of genius or luck that they pulled this off because I'm sure that I'm not the only one buying this title as a result of these characters.

My intent was not to debate the validity of the characters being included in the game, it was just about the design choice of having them not match their vehicles' elements and whether that would be useful, detrimental or pointless.

As for the poster... they aren't on any poster I have seen (yet), but they (along with their elements and vehicle elements) are on the front of the starter pack boxes and there are plenty of high res images of those to be found. It was just that I thought about how the poster shows every other supercharger matching their vehicle's element and it occurred to me that these were going to be the only two that didn't.

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Yes.
It could have been much worse.

Bowser's could have had a Turtle Element.
Let's just take what we have and be' happy with it.

There would be 2 characters in it
-Bowser
-Warnado

You forgot Bombshell.

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Quote: Drek95

Yes.
It could have been much worse.

Bowser's could have had a Turtle Element.
Let's just take what we have and be' happy with it.

There would be 2 characters in it
-Bowser
-Warnado

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You forgot Bombshell.

And Slobber Tooth

If only Yoshi were also a Nintendo guest character, too. He'd be of the Magic Element with a Water Sea Vehicle. I would call them Wing Power Yoshi (Skymiibo) and the River Dragon (vehicle).

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If only Yoshi were also a Nintendo guest character, too. He'd be of the Magic Element with a Water Sea Vehicle. I would call them Wing Power Yoshi (Skymiibo) and the River Dragon (vehicle).

Why didn't they?

Nintendo is HATES advertising.

That's why Fox and Falco aren't in here.

Anyone else think they should've just made DK Light and Bowser Dark. 20 characters with 3 Fire, 3 Life, 1 Dark, 1 Light doesn't make sense the uneven numbers are messing with my OCD

DK fits anything but Light,though. Even Bowser is debatable; Dark is about nighttime and space(Blackout), and his lairs still involve glowing bright magma doom even in the occasional time he uses dark powers.

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Anyone else think they should've just made DK Light and Bowser Dark. 20 characters with 3 Fire, 3 Life, 1 Dark, 1 Light doesn't make sense the uneven numbers are messing with my OCD

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Anyone else think they should've just made DK Light and Bowser Dark. 20 characters with 3 Fire, 3 Life, 1 Dark, 1 Light doesn't make sense the uneven numbers are messing with my OCD

The elements they chose actually fit into a neat little pattern in terms of my own OCD. The thing which kind of messes up the system for me is that there are an uneven number of Sea and Sky Vehicles (6 Sky vs. 5 Sea). If I had my way, Yoshi (my favourite Nintendo character since childhood) would be a guest star with a Sea vehicle, most likely based on the Submarine form from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.

In any case, I've decided to skip Lava Lance , Burn-Cycle, Thrillipede and Buzz Wing, which was an easy decision as they are two of my least-favourite SuperChargers (the other two being the non-variant Smash Hit and Fiesta).

Wynn guys, the reason they couldn't match elements is obvious! Elemental ZONES! See, since all the Sky vehicles usable in the Sony/Microsoft/Apple versions would be either Air, Life, or Light, that means all the elemental ZONES within Sky Vehicle Zones would have to be... They couldn't put in a Fire Zone cause it would be pointless outside of the Wii u version...
Same with putting a Life zone in a Land area... So, of course, they had to make the Barrel Blaster Tech and the Clown Cruiser Air, because those make the most sense for the vehicles... And work within the confines of elemental Zones... Thing is, the ONLY use vehicle elements will EVER have (bc no element gates) or that elemental power will have unless they bring back TFB engine PvP, is elemental zones... There's no sense in even giving them an element if they'll never have a use for it, right?
Function comes before form, no matter how much you OCD people value things LOOKING perfect...

^Yeah, basically that, combined with the fact that DK and Bowser both have vehicles based on the iconic vehicles they've use in their own games.


I mean, technically they could have made a Land-based clown copter/airship inspired vehicle for Bowser, but Sky works much better as a homage. Likewise, Land works much better for DK's minecart inspired vehicle than Sky would.

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I mean, technically they could have made a Land-based clown copter/airship inspired vehicle for Bowser, but Sky works much better as a homage.

Agreed. Mario Kart DS has a Kart based on Bowser's Clown Car which just doesn't look right at all:

Putting four wheels on a plane? Seriously?!

^If they did that, though, they'd have to add Life zones to the Land stages and Fire zones to the Sky stages (as juarmo mentioned).

Yeah, I agree with Drawdler. The game is supposed to stay as close as possible between consoles(excluding the Wii)
Seeing as the Skymiibo vehicles are only on the Nintendo platforms, having a life land zone or a fire sky zone would be pretty pointless.

Which is the reason why the vehicles don't match DK and Bowser's elements :/

If your not happy with their current vehicles ....... I'm thinking these skymiibos might almost be a test to see if they"lll start making mario cart amiibo characters cars.

Nintendo are almost out of good new amiibo characters .... Making mario cart amiibo could keep em going a bit longer without having to repose a lot of characters again.

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Which is the reason why the vehicles don't match DK and Bowser's elements :/

Exactly, the whole point is that they didn't want to change actual core game elements between versions just to accommodate the skymiibos. It was much easier to just mismatch DK and Bowser with their vehicles.

Then why didn't they make Bowser Air and Donkey Kong Tech, instead?
The former definitely doesn't scream "Fire" (if not for a couple attacks) and the latter would sincerely fit Tech better since I don't think he even uses plants (maybe bananas) and instead relies on different items.

I won't take "Bowser shoots fire and Donkey Kong is a gorilla" as an excuse, just like Spyro isn't the most suiting Magic Skylanders only because he's purple.
Grilla Drilla is Life and is a gorilla but he fits the Element well.

They simply didn't care about their vehicles having matching Elements, really.

Firstly, to Drek, the original Stealth Elf, Zoo Lou, and Thrillipede's attacks aren't related to plants. Does that mean they don't fit Life either?

Secondly, does it really matter why their elements are mismatched? I mean, it's just a minor design choice that's not even present in all versions of the game. Though this topic is starting to think they should have gone through with "Banana Element" and whatever they had planned for Bowser just to avoid this.

Bowser is constantly associated with fire and lava in the Mario series. And why doesn't it matter that he breaths fire? It's not like he uses magic to create fire artificially like Spyro does, he has his own internal source of fire, which fits Fire element perfectly. What does he have to do with Air?


Donkey Kong fits the nature aspect of the Life element because he lives in a jungle and is associated with bananas. Again, what association does he have with Tech? The only advanced technology he ever uses in his games is his coconut gun, and that thing is made out of wood and uses coconuts...

Actually, DK being Tech in the matter of 'technology with dated materials' would be pretty amazing - weapons out of barrels and bamboo and whatever would be great. However,don't forget VV seems to have it in their minds that Tech means robot - and unless High Volt is confirmed to be a Goldling it hasn't changed.

Bowser is a fire breathing dragon, he has a kingdom surrounded in magma, breathes fire, and general tends to use fire as a weapon. Air elements are associated with the weather, flight, and wind, none of which Bowser is even remotely related to.

Donkey Kong lives in a jungle, and tends to be a general piece keeper of life over there, with the only hints of technology being made of barrels and wood, you know, things usually associated with the life element. DK might have friends who use technology well, but DK himself is not related to technology in any way. Tech is focused on high TECH objects, or at least steampunk levels advancement, but the most technologically advance thing DK has ever used was his Coconut Gun, which fires in spurts, and fires freaking coconuts and is made of wood.

Also, you know who else doesn't use plants and is a Life Skylander? Stealth Elf. That also includes Zoo Lou, Stink Bomb, and Thrillipede too, who are all pretty obviously life Skylanders.

You really do not know much about Nintendo characters, Drek.

Yet Bowser is ALWAYS using a fleet of flying ships of some kind.
ALWAYS.

I was referring to Donkey Kong not using plants because he really isn't associated to Life at all.
Life is two things: plants and summoning other creatures.
We haven't seen enough of Trillipede to judge but Stealth Elf and Zoo Lou definitely summon some type of entity.

I know Bowser and Donkey Kong both suits their Elements perfectly as characters just like Spyro is a perfect Magic character being a purple dragon capable of controlling all the other Elements.
But as playable in-game characters they don't suit their Element well.
At least not like many other characters.

Bowser's armor is not red and Donkey Kong hasn't got a green suit.
So they don't even have Spyro's color excuse.

It's almost lime they wanted them to match their vehicles and Elements... But then suddendly gave up about the last part and decided to get as crazy and creative as possible with them.
And they indeed succeded.

I sincerely couldn't care less about that though since I don't even consider them to be lore-fitting characters outside of certain restricted facts.
To me they could even have a different Magic Moment and the Smash announcer introducing them to the player and I would still not consider them at all.

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Yet Bowser is ALWAYS using a fleet of flying ships of some kind.
ALWAYS.

...So Stealth Elf and Thrillipede should be Air element then? Because they have flying vehicles too.

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I was referring to Donkey Kong not using plants because he really isn't associated to Life at all.
Life is two things: plants and summoning other creatures.
We haven't seen enough of Trillipede to judge but Stealth Elf and Zoo Lou definitely summon some type of entity.

Who does Stealth Elf summon? ...Wait, the scarecrows? SERIOUSLY?
Also, there's still Stink Bomb, who is not related to plants and does not summon other creatures. Explain please?

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I know Bowser and Donkey Kong both suits their Elements perfectly as characters just like Spyro is a perfect Magic character being a purple dragon capable of controlling all the other Elements.
But as playable in-game characters they don't suit their Element well.
At least not like many other characters.

Y'know, one could argue Stealth Elf's new moveset fits more in line with Tech. I mean, a mini-gun doesn't really suit Life, no matter what it's made of. But she's still Life because that was her perfect element from day one.

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Bowser's armor is not red and Donkey Kong hasn't got a green suit.
So they don't even have Spyro's color excuse.

Lol! Yeah, because color TOTALLY determines what element you are! Also, Spyro is a purple dragon, which is able to master all the elements, which is why he is Magic. He just chooses to use the Fire element more than the others, if at all.

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It's almost like they wanted them to match their vehicles and Elements... But then suddendly gave up about the last part and decided to get as crazy and creative as possible with them.
And they indeed succeded.

I sincerely couldn't care less about that though since I don't even consider them to be lore-fitting characters outside of certain restricted facts.
To me they could even have a different Magic Moment and the Smash announcer introducing them to the player and I would still not consider them at all.

For someone who couldn't care less, you sure seem to have strong opinions on it.

Actually,Drek is right,the description of the Life element on the Book of Elements is as follows:

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Skylanders who are associated with the element of Life use abilities that create other living things of their own, from plants to vines to animated dummies. And they like the color green. Alot.

Which is why they named the element Life and not Nature - It's about creation.

Guys.
Spoiler but this video explains everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMkkUPBbQCI
Skip to 4:47

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Actually,Drek is right,the description of the Life element on the Book of Elements is as follows:

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Skylanders who are associated with the element of Life use abilities that create other living things of their own, from plants to vines to animated dummies. And they like the color green. Alot.

Which is why they named the element Life and not Nature - It's about creation.

Thanks.

I couldn't care less it's true but that doesn't mean I won't motivate my opinions.
Without explanations the majority of my criticism towards Skymiibos might seem plain whiny complaints.

"Gameplay-wise" Spyro is Magic because he's purple.
That's all.
Even if he uses magic to shoot fire it is still not a prominent feature.

We are talking about the Elements not the terrains.
Life, Air and Light are all Sky terrains but it makes sense for Buzz Wing and Stealth Stinger to be Life vehicles.
Can't say the same about Clown Cruiser being Air.

Speaking about Stealth Elf, yes, scarecrows are what makes her a Life character in terms of gameplay (since, you know, scarecrows are made of plants after all).
Don't get me started about revamps... Please.
And she's green.

Color is important in this franchise.
It may sound stupid but it is true.
Stink Bomb technically uses a "magic acorn" to attack but otherwise he isn't really Life themed either... Except for the fact he's green.

Donkey Kong uses barrels, makes items fall from the sky and plays bongos.
Oh and isn't green.
And that's because his vehicle, which falls under Tech, wouldn't really match his look.

Bowser does all sort of Mario-related goodness and becomes a flaming giant.
It at least has something related to Fire but not that different from Pop Fizz's beast form when breathing flames.

Vehicles aren't even an excuse simply because they could have created a Life wooden flying vehicle and a flaming Bowser-looking kart.
I simply get a strong "we just don't care" vibe from that and, once again, it isn't a problem.

They are pure gameplay characters so I absolutely don't care about them.
But I do care when I hear certain things about them.

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Actually,Drek is right,the description of the Life element on the Book of Elements is as follows:

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Skylanders who are associated with the element of Life use abilities that create other living things of their own, from plants to vines to animated dummies. And they like the color green. Alot.

Which is why they named the element Life and not Nature - It's about creation.

"Gameplay-wise" Spyro is Magic because he's purple.
That's all.
Even if he uses magic to shoot fire it is still not a prominent feature.

Except for the fact that he's the ONLY magic skylander in the first game that was purple!
They made him magic because they already had a good fire dragon, because his attacks are powered by magic, and because his backstory (and the purpose of the eternal magic source in the Core of Light) states that magic essentially fuels ALL the elements... Which his backstory SAYS he can do!

There is no "gameplay wise" explanation for Wrecking Ball's element, only what his BACKSTORY says about where his POWER comes from, just like spyro's fire breath...

His horn attack seems MORE magical than firey, so does his flight and ground slam...

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Life, Air and are all Sky terrains but it makes sense for Buzz Wing and Stealth Stinger to be Life vehicles.
Can't say the same about Clown Cruiser being Air.

Clown cruiser is air for the same reason Wrecking ball is magic: those elements suit them the BEST, not WELL, but the BEST.. even if they are NOT a GOOD fit, they are the CLOSEST fit... I don't see any element, sky or otherwise, that fits clown cruiser BETTER than air... The most generic element for an aircraft would be air, right?

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Speaking about Stealth Elf, yes, scarecrows are what makes her a Life character in terms of gameplay (since, you know, scarecrows are made of plants after all).

Dude, look at your own quote: he said it's not called the NATURE ELEMENT because the theme is CREATION, not PLANTS. DK makes animated bongos, made of wood for that matter, same as SE'a animated scarecrows...
It's not because they're made of wood but because SHE MAKES THEM, that qualifies for life, same as food fight's tomato plants, camo's melon's, Stink Bomb's clouds of stink, and Tree Rex's Solar Ray...

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Color is important in this franchise.
It may sound stupid but it is true.

wrong on both fronts: 1. it doesn't sound stupid, and 2. It isn't true.
Wrecking Ball is magic, not Water, Voodood is magic, not life, that wham Shell is Water, not fire, shroomboom is Fire, not life, need I continue to list off names?

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Stink Bomb technically uses a "magic acorn" to attack but otherwise he isn't really Life themed either... Except for the fact he's green.

Again, They call it life, not forest or nature element, Drek...

He CREATES stink, from his own BODY, with his own LIFE ENERGY, THAT makes him life-themed.

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Donkey Kong uses barrels, makes items fall from the sky and plays bongos.

Dude, after what you already said about SE's Scarecrows, making, do i REALLY have to remind you that what his bongos and barrels are made of?

That makes it a double standard: what's good enough for stealth elf isn't good enough for DK...
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Oh and isn't green.

Which I've since proven that their move sets and backstories are more important than color to determine things... Is completely irrelevant.

With original characters, they can simply RECOLOR THEM to suit the element... Early designs are in black and white... They made stink bomb green BECAUSE he's life, he's not life BECAUSE he 's green!

Wrecking ball is magic because he and his appetite were made large by a witches CAULDRON, not water because he is blue!
Voodood is Magic because he wields a mystic scepter/axe, not Life because he is green!

Magic could have been any color, say yellow/goldenrod/white/copper, or multicolor, since purple doesn't necessarily scream magic, I'd wager magic was associated with purple because it was decided spyro would made that element, which, in turn, was because of his BACKSTORY...

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And that's because his vehicle, which falls under Tech, wouldn't really match his look.

Tech's associated with ORANGE/BRONZE, not YELLOW, yellow is his one of his main connections to life because he loves bananas.:.

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Bowser does all sort of Mario-related goodness and becomes a flaming giant.
It at least has something related to Fire but not that different from Pop Fizz's beast form when breathing flames.

pop fizz drinks a MAGIC POTION to go into that form (like spyro), and the one he drinks to do so has FIRE based properties.

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Vehicles aren't even an excuse simply because they could have created a Life wooden flying vehicle and a flaming Bowser-looking kart.
I simply get a strong "we just don't care" vibe from that and, once again, it isn't a problem.

They are pure gameplay characters so I absolutely don't care about them.
But I do care when I hear certain things about them.

Yet nearly EVERY aspect of them is based off their history and not pulled out of their butts for the sake of gameplay...
If they WERE pure gameplay, then they'd have gameplay that PERFECTLY fit their element rather than their backstory...
Their gameplay is based on their LORE, their LORE is in fact the source of EVERY ISSUE YOU HAVE WITH THEM...
Mismatched vehicles?
Because they were based off of their iconic vehicles from their LORE rather than their own design
Not new characters?
Because they had existing LORE before being skylanders
Design doesn't match element? Because their powers were based off their LORE, not their design...

Not pure gameplay characters, DK is life because JUNGLE, bc BANANAS, bc WOODEN BARRELS... Not a SINGLE thing about his gameplay explains why he would be Life...
Bowser is FIRE because LAVA, FIREY DUNGEONS, etc, but ALSO breath.
Bowser has a bit of fire in his move set, but he calls magma filled castles, and in one case, the inside of a volcano, his home, and that's why he fits with the Fire elements...

Dude the color thing has as many exceptions as it does examples, so it isn't fair to even list it as a REASON that they aren't real characters..:

A wooden flying vehicle sounds lazier to me than the Barrel Blaster
A firey cart with bowsers head on it? Yeah sure, that took the least imagination of ANYTHING someone could think of... What does bowser NOT own that has his face painted or engraved on it, except the clown car/cruiser? (I mean when it's NOT supercharged... If they didn't care, they wouldn't have drawn inspiration from their own history, and then BASED something new off that...
the fact that they're historic vehicles screams "we care", the fact that they decided to make new vehicles instead of using those historic vehicles shows "we care"
The fact that they're making exceptions for the sake of fan service screams "we care"

Y'know, Drek, something occurred to me... It's kinda funny how you used Spyro as an example, of how he's only Magic element because he's purple... Because that kinda counters your argument.

If Spyro can be Magic just because he's purple, then why can't Bowser be Fire just because of one attack and why can't DK be Life just because he's a gorilla?

EDIT: Never mind, I think Juarmo covered everything...

You really try your hardest to misunderstand what I say, uh...?

Spyro's situation is not good.
I thought that was pretty obvious.
I'm criticizing Skymiibos just like I've criticized him.
And Wrecking Ball creates a force field: guess that's magical enough...

I'm NOT saying color-excuses is a good thing: we are saying the same, really.
It's a cheap excuse to make certain characters fit their Elements more.
Wonder why Voodood, Wrecking Ball and Pop Fizz aren't purple?
Because they already fit their Element, they don't need to be colored that way!
Of course other characters perfectly fit their Elements but are still colored purple because it actually works.

I absolutely agree with you.
Stink Bomb is colored green because he's a Life character not the opposite.
But other than that... I really don't see what's Life about him.
He's a green skunk which occasionally uses energy acorns. That's it.
No... No I can't consider his stink to be part of that... Just like I can't consider Knight Mare or Enigma's mist to be part of their Life energy.

Uuuuuuh, except Stink Bomb's mist is green, Knight Mare's is dark purple and Enigma's is purple.
What a coincidence they are all colored like their Elements, uh?

I think a Skylander is basically made up of three things: design, color, powers.
Sometimes they all work together to fit the Elements, sometimes only two of them do and some others simply one of them suits it.
This however isn't indicative of how cool a character will be, simply how much he/she will fits his/her Element.

That's why we have characters such as Spyro which only actually fits because of the color (let's leave the lore out for now, I appreciate you are considering it that much but I'm speaking purely about the gameplay, lore-wise he perfectly fits his Element).

Now, back on Skymiibos... Donkey Kong's bongos and barrels aren't even close to be summoned beings.
Stealth Elf's scarecrows have some sort of "consciousness"... Bongos are just bongos and barrels are just barrels.
They aren't any different from Sprocket's turrets, Shroomboom's giant slinghshot or Tread Head's ramps.
They are just things used to do something... They wouldn't do anything by themselves.

I can agree about Skymiibos and their vehicles being under Elements which suit them the best, given all the "restrictions" of course, but I won't lie: I would still have preferred if they didn't looked so "generic", Element-wise.
Clown Cruiser would definitely suit Tech more but... Then we'd go back to the old problem about changing certain Sky zones to make them Tech based.

They decided to restrict themselves and these are the results.
Aaaaaand we always go back to the old argument: they do care about Nintendo fans, they don't care about Skymiibos fitting the game.
But, AGAIN, it's not a problem!

Skymiibos?
Which Skymiibos?
I only see 10 new characters around!

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That's why we have characters such as Spyro which only actually fits because of the color (let's leave the lore out for now, I appreciate you are considering it that much but I'm speaking purely about the gameplay, lore-wise he perfectly fits his Element).

How is it just lore? His fireballs and charge attack both have a purple magic effect added to them, and his Wow Pow emits a giant purple energy wave. It's obvious his attacks are magical in nature even though they result in the creation of fire.

I agree that Spyro's abilities could and should be expanded on by giving him access to more elements, but they have shown us pretty clearly in-game that he's using magic to perform his moves.

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Now, back on Skymiibos... Donkey Kong's bongos and barrels aren't even close to be summoned beings.
Stealth Elf's scarecrows have some sort of "consciousness"... Bongos are just bongos and barrels are just barrels.
They aren't any different from Sprocket's turrets, Shroomboom's giant slinghshot or Tread Head's ramps.
They are just things used to do something... They wouldn't do anything by themselves.

But they are made of wood, which comes from plants. He also summons Diddy who fires peanuts at enemies, and peanuts come from plants as well.

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You really try your hardest to misunderstand what I say, uh...?

Spyro's situation is not good.
I thought that was pretty obvious.
I'm criticizing Skymiibos just like I've criticized him.
And Wrecking Ball creates a force field: guess that's magical enough...

I'm NOT saying color-excuses is a good thing: we are saying the same, really.
It's a cheap excuse to make certain characters fit their Elements more.
Wonder why Voodood, Wrecking Ball and Pop Fizz aren't purple?
Because they already fit their Element, they don't need to be colored that way!
Of course other characters perfectly fit their Elements but are still colored purple because it actually works.

I absolutely agree with you.
Stink Bomb is colored green because he's a Life character not the opposite.
But other than that... I really don't see what's Life about him.
He's a green skunk which occasionally uses energy acorns. That's it.
No... No I can't consider his stink to be part of that... Just like I can't consider Knight Mare or Enigma's mist to be part of their Life energy.

The major difference apart from the color being that Sink Bomb's mist comes from HIS OWN BODY... It's VERY common for cartoons to represent stink with clouds of either GREEN or tan gas...
Night Mare's is from a magical warhorn, and i don't own enigma, so i don't really know anything about him


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Uuuuuuh, except Stink Bomb's mist is green, Knight Mare's is dark purple and Enigma's is purple.
What a coincidence they are all colored like their Elements, uh?

I guess you missed a bit of my point... But yeah, not a coincidence...

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I think a Skylander is basically made up of three things: design, color, powers.

Doesn't design kind of encompass the other two?
I think the word you're thinking of is "concept", but since the text is probably being translated from italian, by either you, (because i'm assuming english is a second language? English speaking countries let students choose their foreign language, but everyone else is required to learn basic english [doesn't mean they'd still speak it in their 30's] in high school because at pretty much any point in the past 3 centuries an english speaking country had a global empire... meaning communication with them is important in nearly any career...)

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Sometimes they all work together to fit the Elements, sometimes only two of them do and some others simply one of them suits it.
This however isn't indicative of how cool a character will be, simply how much he/she will fits his/her Element.

That's why we have characters such as Spyro which only actually fits because of the color (let's leave the lore out for now, I appreciate you are considering it that much but I'm speaking purely about the gameplay, lore-wise he perfectly fits his Element).

Color falls under lore or "design", they needed a dragon per element, it probably wouldn't be easy to come up with a good Magic Dragon concept, but it would be VERY easy to come up with a good Fire one...
Since it fit the lore, and the design, they made him Magic...
After all, Spyro wasn't limited to fire breath even in the ORIGINAL series, (starting in a Heroes' Tail, which was second to last), so...

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Now, back on Skymiibos... Donkey Kong's bongos and barrels aren't even close to be summoned beings.
Stealth Elf's scarecrows have some sort of "consciousness"... Bongos are just bongos and barrels are just barrels.

I could actually say the same about the Scarecrows...
They don't seem to be "alive", at most, in the scarecrow path, they seem to be magically animated to rotate automatically, and magically attract enemies, sure...
However, they seem more like automated machines than living beings...
Same with the bongos... Except bongos don't keep making music when you stop hitting them normally, and DK isn't in tune with the magic of Skylands... so... they keep playing maybe cause they've been magically animated?
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They aren't any different from Sprocket's turrets, Shroomboom's giant slinghshot or Tread Head's ramps.
They are just things used to do something... They wouldn't do anything by themselves.

Neither would scarecrows... they have to me magically enhanced, and even then, one could argue that they're not even alive, but rather simply objects animated through magic, but animated in a "set in motion" sense, rather than a "brought to life" sense...

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I can agree about Skymiibos and their vehicles being under Elements which suit them the best, given all the "restrictions" of course, but I won't lie: I would still have preferred if they didn't looked so "generic", Element-wise.
Clown Cruiser would definitely suit Tech more but... Then we'd go back to the old problem about changing certain Sky zones to make them Tech based.

And even then, Air is a close second, right?
Just taking the design into account,
It's default mods, seems pretty generic element-wise, so air...
It's supercharged mods are wood, but those propellers make it a solid choice for air, plus, it doesn't seem wood in a "Life" way... It makes sense for the same reasons you suggested Bowser be Air, he uses airships often, it's based off an Airship
The bullet bill/spiny mods make tech, because of the Banzai Bill Driller
and the Dry Bones Head and Steel Bone mods make undead-ish...
Since both default and supercharged fit air, and since air is the only SKY element ANY of those fit, it's a natural choice...

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They decided to restrict themselves and these are the results.
Aaaaaand we always go back to the old argument: they do care about Nintendo fans, they don't care about Skymiibos fitting the game.
But, AGAIN, it's not a problem!

Then again, if... class ended, so i gtg...

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Skymiibos?
Which Skymiibos?
I only see 10 new characters around!

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After all, Spyro wasn't limited to fire breath even in the ORIGINAL series, (starting in a Heroes' Tail, which was second to last), so...

Actually it was the infamous Enter the Dragonfly that introduced Spyro's ability to use multiple types of breaths (which might very well be one of the reasons why Skylanders has avoided giving Spyro multiple breaths, now that I think of it...).

Look, gameplay is not affected by either lore or visual effects.
Spyro uses fire as his only Element and any of his other attacks connect to magic.
No, magic purple particles aren't enough to make him fit more simply because they don't alter the gameplay.

His lore absolutely fits the Magic theme, his colors do as well but his powers do not absolutely make me think about that Element.
Sorry.

Actually I always try to write what I want by myself.
No translation.
Sometimes it work, sometimes it doesn't but, hey, practice make you perfect, right?
Maybe I should have said "shape" instead of design.

So let's consider the character Spyro: he's purple but that's just a color.
However he does look like a dragon too; that's what I'm talking about.
Dino-Rang looks like an armored crocodile mixed with a dinosaur equiped with two boomerangs, for example.
That's what I'm talking about.
Even if he's green, his powers and "shape" perfectly suit Earth.

So it's "body shape", abilities and color.
Better?

Didn't know Donkey Kong could summon Diddy too.
That definitely makes him fit Life more, since he also shoots peanuts.
But again, I personally can't see enchanted bongos as being a confirm of his Element.
Stealth Elf's scarecrows are "living beings" (kinda) which somehow automatically look for their enemies.
I know, it seems like a stretch but that's how I see them.
Bongos are just musical instruments which are able to play themselves.
Just like Sprocket's turrets shoot nearby enemies.

I doubt it's the Life energy which enchanted them... It's most likely some kind of pure Skyland's magic and nothing else.
But after all one could say they have been brought to life as well... Soooo...