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If you were to tell me that Rosie/Luma was S tier, I would not argue. Shiek is NOT S tier. I've fought her a lot of times, and while I did have problems fighting her at first, I eventually learned to adapt to her style and I generally don't lose to her even with big characters. I mean, I'm not a god player, but I'm still pretty good on a good day.

Like I said, I don't always play FG rules.

*politely shoves in your face*

Okay first off, if you're "shoving" something in my face, you're not doing anything politely. Just mentioning the little oxymoron at the bottom of your post.

Also, ZSS is comparable to Sheik when it comes to not being able to kill their opponent early and easily. Also like Sheik, ZSS's attacks require dead-on accuracy in order to work, and even against a good Bowser or Gannondorf player she'll have a hard time connecting her attacks. She might be able to kill with her attacks when she DOES connect, but the ZSS player needs to be REALLY good in order to pull it off consistently. Plus it requires either perfect timing or an opponent who's an idiot.

I'm sorry, call it ignorance if you will, but I'm not going to change my opinion on Sheik. I consider her to be an EXTREMELY overrated character, and I always will. (On another note, while I do main Bowser, he's far from the only character I play as. I give all characters a chance, and have probably used every character in the game at least twice online except for probably the Kid Icarus/Fire Emblem characters. Speaking of MetaKnight, I've been using him quite a lot lately, and I also use Yoshi, Rosalina, Wario, Mr. Game & Watch, WFT, Pac Man and a few other characters quite a bit online.)

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So? That doesn't make me a "Casual player." Believe me, I HAVE played some very good players on the 3DS though. I'd argue I'm about average when it comes to skill, but I still consider average to be pretty decent.

filthy casual

Dude, shut up. Seriously, internet=/=excuse to be a jerk and/or hide behind "lol im joking".

BTW, I remember when MetaKnight used to be considered one of the worst in this game, but over time he became more ballanced and usefull. What things ultimately seperate him then from now?

Updates.

Meta Knight used to have awful hitbox problems like Samus and Mewtwo still have. The swishy animations from his sword didn't match the hitboxes of his moves. The animations were larger than the hitboxes meaning you'd often think your attack should hit from a certain distance, but it wouldn't.

This was fixed though, through some moves being given smaller animations to match the hitboxes, or larger hitboxes to match the animations. He also saw some damage and frame data buffs.

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I'm sorry, call it ignorance if you will, but I'm not going to change my opinion on Sheik. I consider her to be an EXTREMELY overrated character, and I always will.

Fair enough, just don't expect your posts in regards to competitive discussion to be valued. At this point you're literally just saying "fast characters are overrated", when Sheik's speed is not what makes her top tier.

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Dude, shut up. Seriously, internet=/=excuse to be a jer and/or hide behind "lol im joking".

BTW, I remember when MetaKnight used to be considered one of the worst in this game, but over time he became more ballanced and usefull. What things ultimately seperate him then from now?

Guys learn how to ≠.

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Dude, shut up. Seriously, internet=/=excuse to be a jerk and/or hide behind "lol im joking".

Internet =/= Excuse to throw a tantrum like a 2-year-old. (Which you always do, I might add)

And stop throwing that card around because literally no one cares about your little brainless "internet =/= excuse to be a jerk lol" card.

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not everyone has a =/= mesu

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Guys learn how to ≠.

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Internet =/= Excuse to throw a tantrum like a 2-year-old. (Which you always do, I might add)

And stop throwing that card around because literally no one cares about your little brainless "internet =/= excuse to be a jerk lol" card.

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not everyone has a =/= mesu

You literally just have to hold down the alt key and press the equal key. It's not that hard.

So...what was the update for?

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I just tried that and it doesn't work for me, but I also don't see why it's such a big deal to you. So please kindly shove off.

(Also apparently that only works with Macs, and I don't use Apple**** products, so...)

It's a pet peeve. If you can't do it, fine. If you feel like making someone's day a little better, then go ahead. In the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

it allowed for tourney mode to let you create 1 stock tourneys or extend the time limit to 10 minutes, both only on self created tourneys

i think

^Fantastic.

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it allowed for tourney mode to let you create 1 stock tourneys or extend the time limit to 10 minutes, both only on self created tourneys

i think

Only one stock?

wario feels like he got buffed

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it allowed for tourney mode to let you create 1 stock tourneys or extend the time limit to 10 minutes, both only on self created tourneys

i think

Only one stock?

to clarify i think it was

1. Creating 1 stock tourneys to fit the 3 minute time limit on Nintendo's own (not sure if you can do 1 stock yourself orrrrr)
2. allowing for self created tourneys to have a time limit of 10 minutes max

I'd like to remind everyone, that the ballot is NOT a contest. It's suggestions. The person with the most votes, second most votes, hell, all the way down to least amount if votes isn't guaranteed to become DLC.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smash..._ends_a/cuo7brh

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I'd like to remind everyone, that the ballot is NOT a contest. It's suggestions. The person with the most votes, second most votes, hell, all the way down to least amount if votes isn't guaranteed to become DLC.

If they are a Nintendo character and they win, then they are guaranteed.

If they are third party and they win, then it's guaranteed they will at least attempt to negotiate their inclusion.

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I'd like to remind everyone, that the ballot is NOT a contest. It's suggestions. The person with the most votes, second most votes, hell, all the way down to least amount if votes isn't guaranteed to become DLC.

Sure, but votes certainly matter, because for them votes = sales. Sakurai doesn't have to choose Goku or Ridley if they have the most votes, but that doesn't mean that the amount of votes mean nothing.

Sakurai has the final say, but votes do matter a whole lot.

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I'd like to remind everyone, that the ballot is NOT a contest. It's suggestions. The person with the most votes, second most votes, hell, all the way down to least amount if votes isn't guaranteed to become DLC.

If they are a Nintendo character and they win, then they are guaranteed.

If they are third party and they win, then it's guaranteed they will at least attempt to negotiate their inclusion.

When was it said they were guaranteed? I thought the only info was that "they'd take every vote into consideration".
And what if the winner is for, say, Ice Climbers. Sakurai already said that they can't add them due to hardware limitations. If they win, and the winner is guaranteed to get in, what can they do? Same goes for characters like Ghirahim and Waluigi. What will they do if they win the ballot? As much as I'd love it, they're not gonna remove them as assist trophies and ad them to the roster.

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I'd like to remind everyone, that the ballot is NOT a contest. It's suggestions. The person with the most votes, second most votes, hell, all the way down to least amount if votes isn't guaranteed to become DLC.

Sure, but votes certainly matter, because for them votes = sales. Sakurai doesn't have to choose Goku or Ridley if they have the most votes, but that doesn't mean that the amount of votes mean nothing.

Sakurai has the final say, but votes do matter a whole lot.

I wanted to say this, but I couldn't say it without it sounding really awkward so I just left it out.

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No, it's YOU causing the problems. And no, I'm not "throwing a tantrum or overreacting" YOU are being a ****ING A**HOLE FOR NO GOOD REASON. YOU are the one who called me a "filthy casual" and you're ALSO resorting to using words like "Child" and "Stupid." So yes, you ARE being a jerk for no reason, and no, it's YOUR fault because YOU are the one provoking it. And yes, you DO have an act to clean up. If you're not trying to be a jerk, than just drop the subject, because I'm sick and tired of this BS coming from people like you.

I'm not denying "facts"

See, you just proved my point with this post. lmao

(I wasn't the one that called you a "filthy casual", btw, so you've only further proved my point that you don't think before posting and instead go into rage mode)

Yeah, it's called denying facts.

(Great over-usage of capitalization, italics, and bold, btw definitely proves that you aren't throwing a tantrum right now )

There's a difference between "throwing tantrums" as you put it and trying to stress the point out. I don't care how "childish" you think someone is being, that doesn't excuse your rudeness.

And no, it's not called "denying facts," it's called a difference in opinion.

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I'd like to remind everyone, that the ballot is NOT a contest. It's suggestions. The person with the most votes, second most votes, hell, all the way down to least amount if votes isn't guaranteed to become DLC.

If they are a Nintendo character and they win, then they are guaranteed.

If they are third party and they win, then it's guaranteed they will at least attempt to negotiate their inclusion.

When was it said they were guaranteed? I thought the only info was that "they'd take every vote into consideration".
And what if the winner is for, say, Ice Climbers. Sakurai already said that they can't add them due to hardware limitations. If they win, and the winner is guaranteed to get in, what can they do? Same goes for characters like Ghirahim and Waluigi. What will they do if they win the ballot? As much as I'd love it, they're not gonna remove them as assist trophies and ad them to the roster.

I always kind of wondered why Ice Climbers doesn't work in the game, but they managed to make Rosalina and Luma work. Aren't they kind of similar in the fact that you're more or less controlling two characters at the same time?

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When was it said they were guaranteed? I thought the only info was that "they'd take every vote into consideration".
And what if the winner is for, say, Ice Climbers. Sakurai already said that they can't add them due to hardware limitations. If they win, and the winner is guaranteed to get in, what can they do? Same goes for characters like Ghirahim and Waluigi. What will they do if they win the ballot? As much as I'd love it, they're not gonna remove them as assist trophies and ad them to the roster.

They were pretty clear that Ice Climbers aren't doable for the 3DS version, and they are not popular enough to win the ballot.

They were also clear on that votes should be for characters that don't already have a role in the game, and once again, Waluigi and Ghirahim are not nearly popular enough to win anyway, nor are any other characters already with a role in the game, so I wouldn't worry about that. Assist trophies and what not are strictly for characters that are not quite popular enough to be in the game, or just aren't doable enough for a full moveset or whatever. Then you have random stuff like Pong.

Sakurai said the ballot is for "fanservice". He is aiming to give fans exactly what they want. If the character is a Nintendo character, there is no major licensing hoops to jump through, so it's just a matter of him making a moveset, which he will do because clearly the winner is "what the fans want".

If it's a third party, it's guaranteed he will at least attempt to negotiate the character's inclusion with said company because that's "what the fans want".

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I always kind of wondered why Ice Climbers doesn't work in the game, but they managed to make Rosalina and Luma work. Aren't they kind of similar in the fact that you're more or less controlling two characters at the same time?

Luma is a much simpler model than an Ice Climber, and his animations are simpler. He also doesn't have as much AI as he is partly controlled directly by the player (unlike Ice Climbers, where the second Ice Climber is controlled by the AI).

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Except it is childish, and you're only proving it further by acting this way and denying your childish behavior.

Anyways, I think I've gotten enough amusement out of you for one day, so tata~

I disagree with being childish. I'm trying to be assertive towards you.

Anyway, that's all I pretty much have left to say.


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Luma is a much simpler model than an Ice Climber, and his animations are simpler. He also doesn't have as much AI as he is partly controlled directly by the player (unlike Ice Climbers, where the second Ice Climber is controlled by the AI).

Ah, I suppose that makes sense. TBH, I actually kind of like playing as her.

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I'd like to remind everyone, that the ballot is NOT a contest. It's suggestions. The person with the most votes, second most votes, hell, all the way down to least amount if votes isn't guaranteed to become DLC.

Sure, but votes certainly matter, because for them votes = sales. Sakurai doesn't have to choose Goku or Ridley if they have the most votes, but that doesn't mean that the amount of votes mean nothing.

Sakurai has the final say, but votes do matter a whole lot.

Anyone have the current standings on the matter?

No official ballot results yet and I doubt they'll release that info, but there's quite a few fan polls that are fairly correct as far as we can tell.

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fairly correct as far as we can tell.

They aren't fairly correct as they only represent extremely small sample groups, nowhere near the amount of people that would be voting on the ballot.

Saying those fan polls are "fairly correct" is like posting an international poll on who likes rock music, but only taking into account the results of one nation and saying it's an accurate assessment of the international appeal of rock music.

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When was it said they were guaranteed? I thought the only info was that "they'd take every vote into consideration".
And what if the winner is for, say, Ice Climbers. Sakurai already said that they can't add them due to hardware limitations. If they win, and the winner is guaranteed to get in, what can they do? Same goes for characters like Ghirahim and Waluigi. What will they do if they win the ballot? As much as I'd love it, they're not gonna remove them as assist trophies and ad them to the roster.

They were pretty clear that Ice Climbers aren't doable for the 3DS version, and they are not popular enough to win the ballot.

They were also clear on that votes should be for characters that don't already have a role in the game, and once again, Waluigi and Ghirahim are not nearly popular enough to win anyway, nor are any other characters already with a role in the game, so I wouldn't worry about that. Assist trophies and what not are strictly for characters that are not quite popular enough to be in the game, or just aren't doable enough for a full moveset or whatever. Then you have random stuff like Pong.

Sakurai said the ballot is for "fanservice". He is aiming to give fans exactly what they want. If the character is a Nintendo character, there is no major licensing hoops to jump through, so it's just a matter of him making a moveset, which he will do because clearly the winner is "what the fans want".

If it's a third party, it's guaranteed he will at least attempt to negotiate the character's inclusion with said company because that's "what the fans want".

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I always kind of wondered why Ice Climbers doesn't work in the game, but they managed to make Rosalina and Luma work. Aren't they kind of similar in the fact that you're more or less controlling two characters at the same time?

Luma is a much simpler model than an Ice Climber, and his animations are simpler. He also doesn't have as much AI as he is partly controlled directly by the player (unlike Ice Climbers, where the second Ice Climber is controlled by the AI).

Thanks for that, but where does it say the winner (if it's nintendo) is guaranteed.. I don't remember seeing that in the ballot anywhere.

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fairly correct as far as we can tell.

They aren't fairly correct as they only represent extremely small sample groups, nowhere near the amount of people that would be voting on the ballot.

Saying those fan polls are "fairly correct" is like posting an international poll on who likes rock music, but only taking into account the results of one nation and saying it's an accurate assessment of the international appeal of rock music.

Except not everyone who owns Smash will be voting, not even close. They've only advertised this on the Smash site, a few tweets, and one direct, that's a pretty small reach. You're greatly overestimating this casual boogeyman. Even if they did exist, there isn't any order. There won't be 1 or 2 huge casual characters, people will vote for whoever they want, be it Freddy Fazbear, Zant, Shadow the Hedgehog, or Koopa Troopa, leading to a ton of split results instead of a gigantic votebase that trumps other Smashboards/Gamefaqs type fighters tenfold.

The polls aren't entirely accurate, but the bigger polls do a good job showing what is probably going to be the biggest factor when it comes to votes: the fans.

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fairly correct as far as we can tell.

They aren't fairly correct as they only represent extremely small sample groups, nowhere near the amount of people that would be voting on the ballot.

Saying those fan polls are "fairly correct" is like posting an international poll on who likes rock music, but only taking into account the results of one nation and saying it's an accurate assessment of the international appeal of rock music.

Except not everyone who owns Smash will be voting, not even close. They've only advertised this on the Smash site, a few tweets, and one direct, that's a pretty small reach. You're greatly overestimating this casual boogeyman. Even if they did exist, there isn't any order. There won't be 1 or 2 huge casual characters, people will vote for whoever they want, be it Freddy Fazbear, Zant, Shadow the Hedgehog, or Koopa Troopa, leading to a ton of split results instead of a gigantic votebase that trumps other Smashboards/Gamefaqs type fighters tenfold.

The polls aren't entirely accurate, but the bigger polls do a good job showing what is probably going to be the biggest factor when it comes to votes: the fans.

Just because they only advertised on a few sites doesn't mean that word of mouth didn't spread it around. Reddit. dS. Basically any game forum got the news too, and spread it to people who didn't hear.

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fairly correct as far as we can tell.

They aren't fairly correct as they only represent extremely small sample groups, nowhere near the amount of people that would be voting on the ballot.

Saying those fan polls are "fairly correct" is like posting an international poll on who likes rock music, but only taking into account the results of one nation and saying it's an accurate assessment of the international appeal of rock music.

Except not everyone who owns Smash will be voting, not even close. They've only advertised this on the Smash site, a few tweets, and one direct, that's a pretty small reach. You're greatly overestimating this casual boogeyman. Even if they did exist, there isn't any order. There won't be 1 or 2 huge casual characters, people will vote for whoever they want, be it Freddy Fazbear, Zant, Shadow the Hedgehog, or Koopa Troopa, leading to a ton of split results instead of a gigantic votebase that trumps other Smashboards/Gamefaqs type fighters tenfold.

The polls aren't entirely accurate, but the bigger polls do a good job showing what is probably going to be the biggest factor when it comes to votes: the fans.

Literally everything in your post is pure assumption:

-I never even mentioned the "casual" fanbase. I myself haven't said who I voted for in any fan polls. There are many other hardcore Smash fans in my position. The majority of people who do this are dedicated members of the SPECULATIVE Smash bubble, which is an extremely particular niche. That's a fact.

-Since you brought it up, I think you are even assuming a lot of things about the so called "casual" fanbase. Nintendo fans who may not be super dedicated with Smash still have a lot of common characters they would like to see that often surpass what the hardcore community wants, which is why a lot of Smash 4 additions have been more surprising to the community than they should have been (hardcore Smash speculators wanted/expected Toad, Waluigi, Daisy, and Bowser. Jr - we only got one of those, and got Rosalina too, because Rosalina is extremely popular in the larger Nintendo fanbase, even though people weren't specifically asking for her to be in Smash, they just wanted to see her in more games period). That's a fact.

-Along with the places you mentioned, the Smash Ballot has been advertised on Nintendo's own website, Miiverse, their various Facebook accounts, and by a bunch of other game developers who want their characters in Smash, including Ubisoft and Konami. Just to name a few places. It's more than well advertised. That's a fact.

-The sample groups accumatively don't even come close to the views of the YouTube video of the direct, or even the Twitch stream, which doesn't have that much.




So no matter what way you swing it, these fan polls cannot and do not account for a very wide range and not near the amount of people who voted. That's a fact.

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So? That doesn't make me a "Casual player." Believe me, I HAVE played some very good players on the 3DS though. I'd argue I'm about average when it comes to skill, but I still consider average to be pretty decent.

filthy casual

Dude, shut up. Seriously, internet=/=excuse to be a jerk and/or hide behind "lol im joking".

BTW, I remember when MetaKnight used to be considered one of the worst in this game, but over time he became more ballanced and usefull. What things ultimately seperate him then from now?

dude seriously, it's the internet. if you're going to take every person seriously, you're in for one hell of an adventure

Cut the bickering and rude comments or I may have to consider suspensions.

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Cut the bickering and rude comments or I may have to consider suspensions.

Who was this directed towards? Some people are exchanging views, while others are arguing.

I only want Ice Climbers just to see if they have another infinite. XD But Luma is basically a simplified Nana. I wished they didn't let the 3DS downgrade the Wii U version and let it go up to its potential. The Wii U version could have much more than it does today but can't because of Smash for 3DS. :/

I wouldn't compare Luma to Nana at all. They don't function at all alike, and I would call Luma the more complex one in terms of gameplay applications. Though model and programming wise he would be the simpler one to make.

Those filthy casuals

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Those filthy casuals

stop or get out of my topic

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Those filthy casuals

stop or get out of my topic

I was 100% serious -.-

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Those filthy casuals

stop or get out of my topic

I was 100% serious -.-

So am I. Did you not read the whole "drop it" post that mods stated?

Anybody down rn?

^Ye. PM me bruh.

Someone pls rate my play c:

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more grabs less rolls

I roll because other people roll :c

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more grabs less rolls

I roll because other people roll :c

It's contagious.

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Someone pls rate my play c:

Mario is my third/fourth best, so I'll weigh in:

-Don't use his dash attack as an approach, unless your opponent is attacking high, as it's easily punishable. It's better used as a combo linker/finisher.
-Fireballs as a get away thing is good, but they are also good at creating approaches and being used in combos.
-I know people hate it, but make use of his Down Throw. It is an amazing combo starter and you can do so much with it.
-Don't be afraid to Up B into people coming at you from above when they are at moderate percents or higher. They will not punish you if you hit them as they will be launched away and you can land, unless they are a really fast faller. It's nice way of getting a bit of extra damage in.
-It's already been said but roll a bit less. Luckily Mario's roll is great so you can use it a bit more, but many players are far too predictable with it and just spam it too much.

Just a few quick tips off the top of my head. Apologies if you already know some of these, I'm just going off that video.

Man.Ive been learning how to become a better player.Man ive improved...

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Don't use dash attacks as your approach period.

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Don't use dash attacks as your approach period.

unless you are luigi

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