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do you guys not realize that if this passes it could save livves
edit: posted before bwms edit but still
why not sign it?

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do you guys not realize that if this passes it could save livves
edit: posted before bwms edit but still
why not sign it?

Uh, sure, since I of course do agree with it, that and peer pressure may make me sign it, but my OP still stands,

I'll pass.

Make the Black Panthers a terrorist organization, make small Nazi organizations in America a terrorist organization and I'll definitely sign this
I'm not justifying the KKK, not at all , they should all be killed, but black on black murders surpass the 86+ years of the KKK killings every 6 months :S

Quote: Badwolfmichael

I'll pass.

Make the Black Panthers a terrorist organization, make small Nazi organizations in America a terrorist organization and I'll definitely sign this
I'm not justifying the KKK, not at all , they should all be killed, but black on black murders surpass the 86+ years of the KKK killings every 6 months :S

"even though the kkk is the biggest hate group in america that are literally based on the destruction of black people, let's not call them terrorists because black people sometimes kill each other too"

get over yourself

regardless of how many black people kill other black people, it's not out of the pure hatred of black people, unlike the kkk.

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I'll pass.

Make the Black Panthers a terrorist organization, make small Nazi organizations in America a terrorist organization and I'll definitely sign this
I'm not justifying the KKK, not at all , they should all be killed, but black on black murders surpass the 86+ years of the KKK killings every 6 months :S

"even though the kkk is the biggest hate group in america that are literally based on the destruction of black people, let's not call them terrorists because black people sometimes kill each other too"

get over yourself

regardless of how many black people kill other black people, it's not out of the pure hatred of black people, unlike the kkk.

That's not my reason, I didn't state why but that would be a really stupid reason, >.>

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Quote: Badwolfmichael

I'll pass.

Make the Black Panthers a terrorist organization, make small Nazi organizations in America a terrorist organization and I'll definitely sign this
I'm not justifying the KKK, not at all , they should all be killed, but black on black murders surpass the 86+ years of the KKK killings every 6 months :S

"even though the kkk is the biggest hate group in america that are literally based on the destruction of black people, let's not call them terrorists because black people sometimes kill each other too"

get over yourself

regardless of how many black people kill other black people, it's not out of the pure hatred of black people, unlike the kkk.

That's not my reason, I didn't state why but that would be a really stupid reason, >.>

^It isn't just white people that are the problem, though. It's racist extremists that are the problem. That being said, any and all hate groups need to be considered as terrorists, even gangs tbh. I wonder what brought on this petition all of a sudden though? Why hasn't anyone done anything about all of this sooner?

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^It isn't just white people that are the problem, though. It's racist extremists that are the problem. That being said, any and all hate groups need to be considered as terrorists, even gangs tbh. I wonder what brought on this petition all of a sudden though? Why hasn't anyone done anything about all of this sooner?

petitions like this have been going on for a while now actually
but it's time to get it done and over with

I'll pass.

Make the Black Panthers a terrorist organization, make small Nazi organizations in America a terrorist organization and I'll definitely sign this

^It isn't just white people that are the problem, though. It's racist extremists that are the problem. That being said, any and all hate groups need to be considered as terrorists, even gangs tbh. I wonder what brought on this petition all of a sudden though? Why hasn't anyone done anything about all of this sooner?

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^It isn't just white people that are the problem, though. It's racist extremists that are the problem. That being said, any and all hate groups need to be considered as terrorists, even gangs tbh. I wonder what brought on this petition all of a sudden though? Why hasn't anyone done anything about all of this sooner?

literally no one here is saying it's just white people that are the problem

but the kkk are a problem

and the kkk are white people

and when someone says the kkk need to be classified as a terrorist organization and you go against the idea and say that "well maybe it's okay if the kkk are considered terrorists if all these nonwhite people are recognized as bad too" and literally going out of your way to mention minority-on-minority violence and taking the conversation away from hate groups as a whole to show that "well it's not just white people, see!"

it kind of makes one's argument seem a little disingenuous when they agree that a hate group is a hate group and deserves to be classified as a terrorist organization, but only if we make it very very very clear that white people aren't always the bad guys, and if we aren't willing to make sure that everyone knows that minorities do bad things too, there's no point in declaring a genocidal group as a terrorist organization

This is clearly a sensitive topic but I think his point was that while the KKK is not to be justified and are a hateful bunch, they also aren't alone and aren't indicative of the whole problem. Also I think he wasn't taking the conversation from hate groups as a whole more than he was trying to broaden the scope to include other hate groups (one of the ones he mentioned also being mostly white).

Then again I don't think anyone here said that getting rid of the KKK would solve the problem 100%. I personally just lean towards considering the KKK and any other groups made specifically for hate speech and crimes terrorist groups.

then why be against labeling the kkk as a terrorist organization unless other organizations are on there too?

how can someone legitimately say "i can't support labeling the kkk as a terrorist organization, unless more conditions are met"?

and why even mention black-on-black violence and how it compares to kkk violence?

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then why be against labeling the kkk as a terrorist organization unless other organizations are on there too?

how can someone legitimately say "i can't support labeling the kkk as a terrorist organization, unless more conditions are met"?

and why even mention black-on-black violence and how it compares to kkk violence?

As I've stated before, there are a lot of other hate groups that should be considered terrorist organizations. Honestly the way I see it, there should just be one big petition for all of these groups, instead of just the one. Kill two birds with one stone kind of thing.

And black-on-black violence can be just as bad as KKK violence, same with violence against white people, if you really want to get into that.


Although personally I don't see what arguing will do. If you feel so strongly about it, sign the petition. People who don't want to sign it have their reasons why, so let's just leave it at that.

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Quote: valskeletor

then why be against labeling the kkk as a terrorist organization unless other organizations are on there too?

how can someone legitimately say "i can't support labeling the kkk as a terrorist organization, unless more conditions are met"?

and why even mention black-on-black violence and how it compares to kkk violence?

As I've stated before, there are a lot of other hate groups that should be considered terrorist organizations. Honestly the way I see it, there should just be one big petition for all of these groups, instead of just the one. Kill two birds with one stone kind of thing.

And black-on-black violence can be just as bad as KKK violence, same with violence against white people, if you really want to get into that.


Although personally I don't see what arguing will do. If you feel so strongly about it, sign the petition. People who don't want to sign it have their reasons why, so let's just leave it at that.

but that's not what's being said. this isn't a matter of bureaucratic efficiency by banning all of them at once, it's a matter of "it's not fair to ban one without the others" or even worse, "it's not worth it"

people are literally dying and the only thing that crosses people's minds is "it's not worth it if we can't take them all out at once", like if we just stop the kkk and not a black hate group, that would be somehow worse than if we only stopped the kkk

i understand that the kkk aren't as powerful anymore, and i know that black-on-black violence is exceptionally high, and there are certainly other just as big hate groups in the country, but it doesn't sit right with me at all that it sounds like he's trying to justify or make kkk violence seem not as bad by saying "oh well black-on-black violence is really high too" like the kkk are any less of a threat than they are. it just sounds like
"i'm okay with this genocidal hate group because they're practically killing themselves already"

like what else could someone be trying to say by comparing black-on-black violence with kkk killings? like they're anywhere near the same thing because it's people of the same ethnicity being killed; and not because one is an issue of crime and the other is an issue of racism and prejudicial hatred

it just makes me feel uncomfortable to hear someone think like that.

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As I've stated before, there are a lot of other hate groups that should be considered terrorist organizations. Honestly the way I see it, there should just be one big petition for all of these groups, instead of just the one. Kill two birds with one stone kind of thing.

And black-on-black violence can be just as bad as KKK violence, same with violence against white people, if you really want to get into that.


Although personally I don't see what arguing will do. If you feel so strongly about it, sign the petition. People who don't want to sign it have their reasons why, so let's just leave it at that.

but that's not what's being said. this isn't a matter of bureaucratic efficiency by banning all of them at once, it's a matter of "it's not fair to ban one without the others" or even worse, "it's not worth it"

people are literally dying and the only thing that crosses people's minds is "it's not worth it if we can't take them all out at once", like if we just stop the kkk and not a black hate group, that would be somehow worse than if we only stopped the kkk

Well unfortunately we can't control other people's opinions. If you want change to happen, do something about it. Arguing about it on a Spyro forum isn't going to accomplish much, especially when the person I'm assuming you're mostly talking about isn't even posting here anymore.

While it's good to get up and go actually do things instead of JUST complaining about them, a little debate on issues isn't terrible. In fact, debate can help strengthen your opinions further.

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But what's the point of having those opinions if you're not going to put them to use?

That's why I said it's no good to JUST complain. But debate is good the make your opinions stronger, so that when the time does come and you ARE doing things, you'll be even more prepared.

You have to keep in mind though, some people are currently in situations where they cannot do anything about it, and most of the time it has to do with their living situation. At that point they have nothing to do BUT debate. And when you debate, not only can you strengthen your opinions, but you can also change the opinions of other potentially, which results in more support.

No, I'm not saying people should complain all the time but never try to do anything about the situation. But debate is not inherently a bad thing.

Making them a terrorist organization won't solve anything.

Just look what's been done with terrorists so far.

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Oh that's right jack ****

Quote: Greeble

Making them a terrorist organization won't solve anything.

Just look what's been done with terrorists so far.

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Oh that's right jack ****

Strategically speaking, the KKK would be much easier to fight since they're on our home soil......And that also makes them a larger immediate threat.

Quote: Metallo

I never said it was.

My original post wasn't exactly directed at you either, keep that in mind. I'm simply speaking my thoughts.

Though to be honest, I'm not entirely sure what the debate here is, or if there even is one? I don't know.

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Quote: Greeble

Making them a terrorist organization won't solve anything.

Just look what's been done with terrorists so far.

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Oh that's right jack ****

Strategically speaking, the KKK would be much easier to fight since they're on our home soil......And that also makes them a larger immediate threat.

From what i understand there are branches all over the country, and some are even judges and police officers.

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Strategically speaking, the KKK would be much easier to fight since they're on our home soil......And that also makes them a larger immediate threat.

From what i understand there are branches all over the country, and some are even judges and police officers.

I'm more concerned with the militant ones, deep in the heart of Texas, I believe.

The underlying problem is in the people, not the organization. It's a good idea, but I don't think it would be very effective at stopping all of that. Playing with terms wouldn't change what people already thought about the whole issue.

And let me just say something that most of you guys probably won't like. I think people shouldn't try to eradicate racism.

I'm not saying that to say that it's not bad and doesn't have bad effects, but because they simply won't succeed. Racism is in us, we're the source of it. If there's more than one race present anywhere anytime, it'll happen in some form/amount. We have literally evolved to be racist. It is a fundamental part of our nature and it will not go anywhere, no matter how many blogs people write about it and how many times someone goes to jail because of it.

In the end we're just a primate species. Intelligent, yes, but we're still animals that naturally form packs and fight among one another. We can't really take that away.
It's never one-sided either. Arabs, asians, white people, black people, none of us are exactly welcoming towards minorities.

What I think would yield better results, is if we would shift our goal from trying to eradicate racism to trying to deal with racism. Acknowledge it, examine it, understand it, make people aware of it's true nature and cope with it locally. It should be common knowledge to everybody, not just some evil taboo that you're supposed to fear and hate. Something like that kills off all the examination.

And no, I'm not saying that anybody ever should be racist. It's a liability for everyone involved. I'm just telling people to look into it.

I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what will happen eventually, but it never hurts to get your word in.