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Meet Kristin Beck.

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You know when Jenner changed his sex Akon donated solar panels to Africa. Priorities.

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To be completely honest, I really don't respect Jenner much because it seems like she's trying to capitalize on the whole thing, whereas Beck lived a far more productive life and is doing something to legitimately help the transgender community. She's even running for Congress, for goodness' sake.

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To be completely honest, I really don't respect Jenner much because it seems like she's trying to capitalize on the whole thing, whereas Beck lived a far more productive life and is doing something to legitimately help the transgender community. She's even running for Congress, for goodness' sake.

"capitalize on it" by doing whatever she can to normalize and gain acceptance for something that has and still does result in people's lives being ruined or even ended because of ruthless intolerance? she's probably the biggest celebrity to come out, and in doing so is literally changing how a society views transgender individuals as a whole. ****, before jenner, a majority of the media still thought "transsexual" was the correct term.

i get it, you think navy seals are the epitome of cool, so if a navy seal comes out as trans, it must mean they have all the bravery of a navy seal plus all the bravery of a transgender individual put together as if you thought "bravery" was some kind of calculable, quantifiable number to compare with other people; but this isn't a competition. kristin beck is incredibly brave. caitlin jenner is incredibly brave. all transgender individuals are incredibly brave, even if they aren't out yet. it takes an unimaginable amount of courage simply to accept the fact you are transgender, and it's a struggle that many many people have to go through, not just being transgender, but having to face a society that thinks you're wrong just for being transgender, a society that as a whole, can't accept you for who you are. to have to live in that society every day, one that is built not to even acknowledge your challenges yet, takes extraordinary bravery.

no one wants this to be a competition. someone's livelihood should never be a competition.

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To be completely honest, I really don't respect Jenner much because it seems like she's trying to capitalize on the whole thing, whereas Beck lived a far more productive life and is doing something to legitimately help the transgender community. She's even running for Congress, for goodness' sake.

i get it, you think navy seals are the epitome of cool, so if a navy seal comes out as trans, it must mean they have all the bravery of a navy seal plus all the bravery of a transgender individual put together as if you thought "bravery" was some kind of calculable, quantifiable number to compare with other people; but this isn't a competition.

That's not what I think at all. Caitlin Jenner lives the carefree life of a celebrity. She was amazing as an athlete, and that made her career, but let's face it: even if the whole nation opposed her, she would've still had tons of money and fame and probably wouldn't have given a damn at the end of the day.

I mean, she does great activism and that counts for something, but it's only on the social level.

Kristin Beck is aiming to participate directly in the legislature of the United States. She is aiming to make changes on the political level. She is aiming to stand up directly to those in power who openly oppose the LGBT community and she's going to take the fight to them.

As impassioned as her activism may be, Caitlin Jenner will NEVER make an impact like that. I don't have anything directly against her, but I respect Beck a hell of a lot more.

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They're both brave in different ways. It's not a battle, silly.

TRANSGENDER WARS

WITH DARTH TRANS AND LUKE TRANSWALKER

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To be completely honest, I really don't respect Jenner much because it seems like she's trying to capitalize on the whole thing, whereas Beck lived a far more productive life and is doing something to legitimately help the transgender community. She's even running for Congress, for goodness' sake.

i get it, you think navy seals are the epitome of cool, so if a navy seal comes out as trans, it must mean they have all the bravery of a navy seal plus all the bravery of a transgender individual put together as if you thought "bravery" was some kind of calculable, quantifiable number to compare with other people; but this isn't a competition.

That's not what I think at all. Caitlin Jenner lives the carefree life of a celebrity. She was amazing as an athlete, and that made her career, but let's face it: even if the whole nation opposed her, she would've still had tons of money and fame and probably wouldn't have given a damn at the end of the day.

I mean, she does great activism and that counts for something, but it's only on the social level.

Kristin Beck is aiming to participate directly in the legislature of the United States. She is aiming to make changes on the political level. She is aiming to stand up directly to those in power who openly oppose the LGBT community and she's going to take the fight to them.

As impassioned as her activism may be, Caitlin Jenner will NEVER make an impact like that. I don't have anything directly against her, but I respect Beck a hell of a lot more.

social acceptance of trans people is just as important if not more important than political acceptance. being legally considered an equal doesn't mean much if your parents kick you out of your house and all your friends turn their backs on you because they think you're "disgusting" or a "freak". gay marriage was recently legalized nationwide, yet i still hear homophobic slurs, opinions, and actions all the time. to teach people to accept trans individuals and treat as though they are actually people is much more effective than simply making it illegal to be fired for being transgender, because that doesn't actually change people's opinions and actions towards trans people, it just gives them slightly less ways to be an asshole to trans people.

jenner has caused a gigantic shift in the media of acceptance. before jenner came out, it was rare to see the media, or many people in general, use the correct pronouns or names for trans people, and in this short amount of time, there's been a pretty radical change where almost every media outlet uses correct names and pronouns and significantly more people do as well. after she came out, trans rights became a much bigger issue, politicians actually started caring enough to state their opinion on the matter. transgender is now a household word.

don't get me wrong, i'm not at all saying political activism is a bad thing, in fact, it's very important as well. making it easier for trans people to change their gender on legal paperwork and doing whatever possible to stop discrimination through employment or exclusion is also very important. political acceptance can slowly lead to social acceptance, just like social acceptance can slowly lead to political acceptance, but both are very necessary and very important.

they're both making changes for the better in society, so i have no idea why you keep insisting and trying to tell us that one is "more deserving of respect" than the other. can't you just be happy that changes for the better are happening, as opposed to making everything into a competition? they're on the same team, you know.

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i get it, you think navy seals are the epitome of cool, so if a navy seal comes out as trans, it must mean they have all the bravery of a navy seal plus all the bravery of a transgender individual put together as if you thought "bravery" was some kind of calculable, quantifiable number to compare with other people; but this isn't a competition.

That's not what I think at all. Caitlin Jenner lives the carefree life of a celebrity. She was amazing as an athlete, and that made her career, but let's face it: even if the whole nation opposed her, she would've still had tons of money and fame and probably wouldn't have given a damn at the end of the day.

I mean, she does great activism and that counts for something, but it's only on the social level.

Kristin Beck is aiming to participate directly in the legislature of the United States. She is aiming to make changes on the political level. She is aiming to stand up directly to those in power who openly oppose the LGBT community and she's going to take the fight to them.

As impassioned as her activism may be, Caitlin Jenner will NEVER make an impact like that. I don't have anything directly against her, but I respect Beck a hell of a lot more.

social acceptance of trans people is just as important if not more important than political acceptance. being legally considered an equal doesn't mean much if your parents kick you out of your house and all your friends turn their backs on you because they think you're "disgusting" or a "freak". gay marriage was recently legalized nationwide, yet i still hear homophobic slurs, opinions, and actions all the time. to teach people to accept trans individuals and treat as though they are actually people is much more effective than simply making it illegal to be fired for being transgender, because that doesn't actually change people's opinions and actions towards trans people, it just gives them slightly less ways to be an asshole to trans people.

jenner has caused a gigantic shift in the media of acceptance. before jenner came out, it was rare to see the media, or many people in general, use the correct pronouns or names for trans people, and in this short amount of time, there's been a pretty radical change where almost every media outlet uses correct names and pronouns and significantly more people do as well. after she came out, trans rights became a much bigger issue, politicians actually started caring enough to state their opinion on the matter. transgender is now a household word.

don't get me wrong, i'm not at all saying political activism is a bad thing, in fact, it's very important as well. making it easier for trans people to change their gender on legal paperwork and doing whatever possible to stop discrimination through employment or exclusion is also very important. political acceptance can slowly lead to social acceptance, just like social acceptance can slowly lead to political acceptance, but both are very necessary and very important.

they're both making changes for the better in society, so i have no idea why you keep insisting and trying to tell us that one is "more deserving of respect" than the other. can't you just be happy that changes for the better are happening, as opposed to making everything into a competition? they're on the same team, you know.

Those are all very good points. I just believe that Jenner is getting far more attention and publicity than she deserves, in proportion to the ones like Beck. Pardon me for thinking that someone who risked her life fighting against global threats deserves more respect than someone who played tennis for a living, but that's just my personal opinion.

I honor the work Jenner is doing, but why is she being applauded more than the other transgender crusaders? What makes her inherently better? Why are the others not getting as much publicity? I'll tell you why; it's because they're not celebrities.

I'm just saying that Jenner is not the only one, and she's definitely not the most inspirational. Not to me, at least.

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That's not what I think at all. Caitlin Jenner lives the carefree life of a celebrity. She was amazing as an athlete, and that made her career, but let's face it: even if the whole nation opposed her, she would've still had tons of money and fame and probably wouldn't have given a damn at the end of the day.

I mean, she does great activism and that counts for something, but it's only on the social level.

Kristin Beck is aiming to participate directly in the legislature of the United States. She is aiming to make changes on the political level. She is aiming to stand up directly to those in power who openly oppose the LGBT community and she's going to take the fight to them.

As impassioned as her activism may be, Caitlin Jenner will NEVER make an impact like that. I don't have anything directly against her, but I respect Beck a hell of a lot more.

social acceptance of trans people is just as important if not more important than political acceptance. being legally considered an equal doesn't mean much if your parents kick you out of your house and all your friends turn their backs on you because they think you're "disgusting" or a "freak". gay marriage was recently legalized nationwide, yet i still hear homophobic slurs, opinions, and actions all the time. to teach people to accept trans individuals and treat as though they are actually people is much more effective than simply making it illegal to be fired for being transgender, because that doesn't actually change people's opinions and actions towards trans people, it just gives them slightly less ways to be an asshole to trans people.

jenner has caused a gigantic shift in the media of acceptance. before jenner came out, it was rare to see the media, or many people in general, use the correct pronouns or names for trans people, and in this short amount of time, there's been a pretty radical change where almost every media outlet uses correct names and pronouns and significantly more people do as well. after she came out, trans rights became a much bigger issue, politicians actually started caring enough to state their opinion on the matter. transgender is now a household word.

don't get me wrong, i'm not at all saying political activism is a bad thing, in fact, it's very important as well. making it easier for trans people to change their gender on legal paperwork and doing whatever possible to stop discrimination through employment or exclusion is also very important. political acceptance can slowly lead to social acceptance, just like social acceptance can slowly lead to political acceptance, but both are very necessary and very important.

they're both making changes for the better in society, so i have no idea why you keep insisting and trying to tell us that one is "more deserving of respect" than the other. can't you just be happy that changes for the better are happening, as opposed to making everything into a competition? they're on the same team, you know.

Those are all very good points. I just believe that Jenner is getting far more attention and publicity than she deserves, in proportion to the ones like Beck. Pardon me for thinking that someone who risked her life fighting against global threats deserves more respect than someone who played tennis for a living, but that's just my personal opinion.

I honor the work Jenner is doing, but why is she being applauded more than the other transgender crusaders? What makes her inherently better? Why are the others not getting as much publicity? I'll tell you why; it's because they're not celebrities.

I'm just saying that Jenner is not the only one, and she's definitely not the most inspirational. Not to me, at least.

literally no one is saying jenner is better than other trans activists, she's getting more publicity because she's a celebrity, and by being a celebrity with more publicity and more influence, she's able to make a bigger change because she has the means to. she's using her celebrity status to raise awareness and gain acceptance for trans people. this isn't about "does she deserve to be a celebrity" and how wealth is unfairly distributed to the entertainment industry, this is about making changes for the best for trans people.

kristin beck isn't less of activist or somehow "less" than caitlin jenner. because this was never a competition to see which one deserves more subjective "respect" points.

it's about trans people all over the world working together to gain rights and acceptance for themselves and their fellow trans people. it's about how the celebrity tennis player who was afraid of what the public reaction would be, and the ex-navy seal who had a big secret, and the cheerleader who never quite felt comfortable with her gender identity, and the boy down the street who was born with the name "michelle", and the cashier at petsmart who everyone used laugh at and talk about behind her back, and that guy that never smiles because people always ask him about his genitals, and the teenage girl who still has to pretend she's a boy around her parents who she overheard say that they think trans people should be put in prison. it's about all of the different trans people of all different backgrounds and stories coming together to cause worldwide change because they've struggled with a common problem and a too common intolerance.

My issue is how her family seems to use this newfound fame for Caitlyn as an excuse to turn into the next Kardashian family. Or how the tabloids seem to follow all of their steps as if it's some circus show.

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My issue is how her family seems to use this newfound fame for Caitlyn as an excuse to turn into the next Kardashian family. Or how the tabloids seem to follow all of their steps as if it's some circus show.

Exactly. And she is (or was) technically a member of the Kardashians.

That's mostly what I meant by capitalizing. While what she's doing does help the cause, they love the publicity and they know it.

^Actually I kinda feel like (at least on Caitlyn's part) it's more the tabloid's fault for constantly focusing on her. Meanwhile the rest of her family notices this and tries to get in on the attention too, which the tabloids also eat up.

I want to think that it's not entirely Caitlyn's doing. Was she like this before as well? I legitimately don't know.