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#1 Posted: 03:55:45 18/07/2015 | Topic Creator
Controversial topic for an immature board.
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#2 Posted: 03:58:26 18/07/2015
It can sometimes happen as a side effect from other diseases, I think.
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#3 Posted: 04:00:41 18/07/2015 | Topic Creator
Quote: Metallo
But a good amount of the time they choose what they ate. It's a mixed bag. |
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#4 Posted: 04:04:04 18/07/2015
Quote: somePerson
Now I'm not a doctor, but I think when it comes to maintaining weight, exercise is far more important than diet. Overweight people who at least try to be active are still healthier than normal weight people who sit on their butts all day. |
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#5 Posted: 04:13:29 18/07/2015
It depends
With some people yes, because it's just a diet issue. With some people no because it's an illness issue With some people eeeeeeh, because it can be a brain issue.
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#6 Posted: 04:15:51 18/07/2015
I'm over weight. I watch what I eat. I eat well. But I'm still over weight. Some diseases or mental health problems can either contribute or make it happen in the first place. But we can't choose them. You don't get fat just because you eat. I gained weight when I first attempted suicide. It's when your body isn't exercising as much or sometimes even at all. Now, I'm not obese. I am chubby. Another part of that is from my family history of diseases and such. One that comes to mind is diabetes. You don't get diabetes from being fat, it's inherited. My mom has is, my grandmother had it, I'll probably have it. I'm chubby because of my families history of it. So, in conclusion, sometimes it's a choice, but in most, it's not
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#7 Posted: 04:22:47 18/07/2015
It's a result of choices you make.
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#8 Posted: 04:26:57 18/07/2015
Quote: terrafin2299
Type 1 Diabetes is inherited. Type 2 does come from obesity in most cases. But it sounds like you'll be alright. Being a little overweight is not a huge issue, as long as you can move around well and you don't have any other health problems (like asthma). |
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#9 Posted: 04:29:12 18/07/2015
Quote: Metallo
I have asthma, but it's just because of allergies. And, kind of like other diseases like heart disease and cancer, you don't directly get type 2 diabetes automatically, but your chances are greatly higher |
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#10 Posted: 04:30:15 18/07/2015
Quote: terrafin2299
Well, as long as you're treating it, I think you'll be okay. And yes, correct. |
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#11 Posted: 04:32:41 18/07/2015
I mean, there are some cases where it is. There can be genes that cause you to be obese but I just think it's lazy if you decide to not watch what you're eating or exercise to stay in shape and keep from being overweight.
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#12 Posted: 04:34:44 18/07/2015
Let's just wait for Samius, he's the closest thing to a doctor here besides HIR (and HIR needs a doctor, so......).
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#13 Posted: 04:35:14 18/07/2015
Quote: Metallo
I just can't run a mile continously without losing vision for a couple minutes. So, it's a problem, but it's not deadly. |
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#14 Posted: 04:37:53 18/07/2015
it is a choice
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#15 Posted: 04:43:44 18/07/2015
Some people have battled with their weight their entire lives, no matter what they do. Other people suffer from certain diseases (they can be mental or physical illnesses) which causes them to gain weight. And then there are those who can gain weight from having kids, or suffering from an injury that keeps them from being active, or something along those lines. Obesity isn't always just caused from lack of exercise and eating too much junk food, so no it isn't always a choice.
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#16 Posted: 04:44:59 18/07/2015
my brother has a blubber butt and he made the choice to get it
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#17 Posted: 06:16:46 18/07/2015
Quote: Mitt rox
Blubber butt, blubber blubber blubber but, stick it out show the world u got a |
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#18 Posted: 06:34:57 18/07/2015
Usually yes. I know there are genetic disorders or issues that can cause it with little they can do about it. But for the most part being overweight or obese is a fault of the eating habits or lack of physical activity, and requires some lifestyle tweaking.
If you acknowledge that you're fat, understand why you're fat, but don't want to commit to changing that, it's definitely a choice that you're making. |
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#19 Posted: 15:12:39 18/07/2015
Yes it is. You never become obese if you don't live with a calorie surplus, no matter what disease or condition you have. Your body doesn't just "create" fat out of nowhere.
You would be surprised by the amount of people who claim that their obesity is anything but their own fault. They blame things like slow metabolism, thyroid conditions, or my favorite one: that they "just can't lose weight" (the same kinda "I don't know, it just happened"-excuse that children often employ by the way). It's delusional thinking that has no basis in any facts whatsoever. It's always grown people who say this stuff too, and they're seemingly usually women. When the media handles the subject of obesity they mostly concentrate on female obesity. Male obesity is not shown in television or talked about as often, but it's also a huge problem. But to be honest, I don't think that we should even be discussing whether it's a choice or not, seeing how it can really only be a choice if it's made consciously. It's debatable whether an obese person who isn't knowledgeable enough to understand the effects of his/her diet is obese due to a "choice" or not. Children, for example, are fed by their parents. Anyone younger than a teenager is not in a position to make any tangible choices about his/her own diet. If their parents are uneducated, they might not even realize that they're teaching their children unhealthy habits and rendering them vulnerable to the many health problems that come with obesity, and this is the whole root of the problem. We can't erase gluttony or laziness from human nature, but we can mitigate the problem by spreading awareness and information. Quote: Metallo
While that last part may be true, I don't really agree with what you said first. Having to exercise just to maintain your bodyfat percentage is a consequence of a crappy diet. For obese people, the very source of their problem is not that they aren't active enough, it's that they eat too much. Now, whether exercising is healthier than eating healthy is debatable. If you're not at all active there's a host of problems waiting for you besides obesity, but an unhealthy diet is also very dangerous for your health and longevity. |
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#20 Posted: 15:14:31 18/07/2015
only if you're *****spyro.
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#21 Posted: 15:41:19 18/07/2015
Quote: Metallo
Actually dieting is more effective in cutting calories than exercise. |
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#22 Posted: 15:44:58 18/07/2015
it depends
for some people, it is. you choose not to exercise and you choose to stuff your face in with mcdonalds for other people, it could be a disease or an illness that causes it which can't be helped, or maybe a physical injury that prevents them from getting proper exercise. people like that don't have much of a choice. |
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#23 Posted: 15:47:49 18/07/2015
Quote: Thunderdragon14
But that's the thing, there is no disease out there that makes people obese. Fat doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from the food that you eat. If people were eating 2000 calories a day, but getting 4000 calories worth of fat/energy (because energy is stored as fat) we would've solved all the world's energy problems. Just replicate that and boom, infinite energy. |
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#24 Posted: 16:05:01 18/07/2015
Quote: Samius
well i can't say i know any either but depression causes fluctuations in weight, and for unfortunate people it gets to the point where it's hard to manage |
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#25 Posted: 16:13:34 18/07/2015
is existance even a choiccceee e.e.e..e.e.e
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#26 Posted: 16:47:13 18/07/2015
Quote: Iceclaw
All of these, yet it may also be a genetic issue.
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#27 Posted: 17:35:05 18/07/2015
saying obesity is a choice is saying that it's a conscious decision, which in most cases, it's not.
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#28 Posted: 19:01:36 18/07/2015
Quote: Samius
Ah, okay. That makes a lot more sense. And I think the reason why female obesity is given so much more attention (both positive and negative) than that of men is because of the highly sexualized image into which Western society places the ideal woman. Also, most "fat acceptance" activists tend to be female. In other news, I ate over half a pound of meat in one sitting today (a Wendy's Baconator). Now I have a stomachache, and in a few hours, I'm probably going to take the biggest **** in my life. So guys, please listen to Samius about eating too much. Please, please, please. |
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#29 Posted: 20:15:47 18/07/2015 | Topic Creator
Quote: Metallo
**** now you made me hungry. |
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#30 Posted: 21:53:24 18/07/2015
Quote: valskeletor
The conscious decision isn't "I'm gonna be fat", but rather the decision to eat this particular food, or this much of that food. Or the decision to not work out, or not even go for a walk. By making several conscious decisions that can lead to a lack of activity or unhealthy eating that leads to going obese, it can be reasoned that you're technically making a choice to be obese, while also doing nothing to reverse it or even just balance it out. |
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#31 Posted: 22:07:49 18/07/2015
Quote: CAV
that's definitely true, but most people don't just say "I'M GOING TO EAT EVERYTHING AND ASSUME THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES", it's usually just a slippery slope of gradually eating more and gradually gaining weight so subtly that you might not notice until it's too late, which is a lot easier than it looks. most people don't realize that what they're doing is causing them to become obese, or they would've stopped before it got that far along. if it's like this, then i don't think it's "choosing to be obese" per say, like choosing to go over the speed limit while driving a car isn't "choosing to get into a car accident" it's just too indirect of a choice for me to associate it with very direct terminology
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#32 Posted: 22:14:34 18/07/2015
^Fair enough and I do understand your point. But what about when they reach a point where they realize they're obese, perhaps acknowledge why it happened, but then don't really do anything to change it? We always make jokes and hear about people making promises to work out more as a new year's resolution only for it to fall to the wayside after. Or people who say they'll work out only put it off for tomorrow.
At that point doesn't some of the blame fall on themselves and to the point where they're making the choice to continue their bad habits? |
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#33 Posted: 22:25:38 18/07/2015
i feel like many people do really try to not be obese, but if become a normal weight again was as easy as simply wanting and trying to, i doubt the obesity rate would be as high as it is. when i was about 14 i was pretty overweight and i felt horrible about it because i never really wanted to get like that, and just going from overweight to normal was a pretty arduous task, especially considering how busy i was with school. now, i'm considered to be at my medically ideal weight, but it took a lot of work and breaking habits that i didn't even realize i had. and i wasn't even obese, just maybe 25 pounds overweight.
i'm sure almost every obese person has made an effort to get healthier, but it might be harder than they afford the time and money for.
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#34 Posted: 22:25:40 18/07/2015
Then you have people like me, where being obese, or even overweight, is not even an option for me even if I wanted to be.
I'm gonna say that it's not always a choice, partly because of the above statement. Yes, slow metabolism can be considered an excuse - but depending on just how severe it is, that's like telling a kid that has asthma that they chose to go to a family gathering full of smokers, when it was their parents who dragged them along, and that it's their own fault they nearly died of an asthma attack - sometimes people are legitimately backed into a corner on these things. Actually, on the note of family, sometimes parents can be the cause of obesity in a child. Children don't understand the concept of differentiating between what is and isn't healthy unless their parents teach them. If a child is raised by lazy parents who never cook for their child and instead buy them McDonalds and take-aways all of the time, that child is most likely going to end up obese and unhealthy. And the child cannot be blamed nor told "it was their choice", because how would they know any better if their parents never taught them? Children will only want to eat whatever they find tasty, and they can only discover whatever foods are bought/cooked for them. So if a child is brought up on unhealthy foods, then that's all they are ever gonna want to eat because it's what their parents taught them, and they are already gonna be overweight, maybe even obese, by the time they grow up to understand why being obese is bad on their own, and even then, they will still be relying on parents to provide for them. So yeah, it really isn't always a choice. This is very much a subject to be taken without generalising.
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#35 Posted: 22:53:28 18/07/2015
Quote: valskeletor
Okay, now I see. People (including me) are mixing up two very different things here. "Choice" and "fault". I'd like to word my thoughts a bit differently now. "Being obese" isn't an agenda. I've yet to see any sane human being consciously choose to eat a ton for the sole purpose of gaining fat. Still, it is true that being obese depends on any person's own individual actions (here I'm also assuming that anyone above the age of fourteen or so possesses the mental capability to change their diet to suit their needs). So can we say that it's a choice? Depending on the situation, no. Someday yet someone may actually choose to want to be obese, and that would be a choice, but in any normal case of obesity we can't really say that the person involved made a choice like that. It's more like a consequence of choosing to eat badly if anything. And while they did choose to eat badly, it's a matter of opinion whether it "carries over" to also choosing to be obese in this way. On the other hand, is an adult person at fault for being obese? Absolutely. No-one else did it for them. Though it's maybe not a choice, depending on how you look at it, it is still definitely their own fault. |
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#36 Posted: 00:21:32 19/07/2015
It is true that, statistically speaking, obesity goes hand-in-hand with clinical depression and low self esteem.
Depression does not cause obesity; rather, some depressed people look at food as a comfort and coping mechanism, and therefore, they become obese, much akin to the way other depressed people might look at illegal drugs as comfort and therefore become addicts. That being said, obese people should not be shamed, nor should they be encouraged to stay the same. They should be benevolently encouraged to change their lifestyle (with documented medical facts and practices, of course). Watch an episode of My 600-lb Life and observe how Dr. Nowzaradan treats the patients. That's how I believe obese people should be treated. |
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