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I think this is a great move to get more kids into Skylanders. Kids love the dual-purpose toys (in game/out of game), and parents can enjoy the game too. I don't picture the demographic for the game changing anytime soon. I predict a larger bunch of new parents asking questions about the older games next January.

Alright, for people out there ho hate the fact that the main 8 are the ones getting the Supercharger status this year, think about how many forum members here play Skylanders. Not the entire population, as there is an unknown numbers of ditched accounts or those who dislike Skylanders. Now, do you think that we alone got Skylanders all the way to Multi-Billion dollar status? No, we didn't, it was mainly the kids and parents that don' post here that buy this game and the figures. And according to sales numbers, who are the guys who are bought the most, and are loved and wanted by most of those kids? The exact eight Superchargers that were reposed. Face it, most people here only account for popularity of characters on the forums, when in reality the real popularity test is out in the world, where most of the consumers are. We don't dictate he popular ones here, the rest of the world does. VV just wants to make sure that people who see the commercials that when they see a character they like, like Pop Fizz, that they will be available. And of course, you don't have to buy them!

With that out of the way, I'll go on to my gripes and likes about the game. First likes:

• Vehicles, while not an expected gimmick for me, looks fun, and will not get in the way of me enjoying Skylanders. Change is good.
  
• The plot looks interesting with Kaos actually ruling parts of Skylands, and him ruining our connection with the world. I'm excited to see how it will turn out.
  
• With there only being 40 figures this year, even if it is a bit more than the usual number of new characters, I am sure it will be less expensive than Trap Team.
  
• Zook is getting an Eon's Elite this year, which I am really excited for, as I have been wanting a repose since Swap Force, a he is my favorite character to this day.
  
• Online is finally here, and as I don't usually play with my family, this is a hug plus o me, as that means I can paly with others without having to be related to them!
  

Now for the gripes:

• The wonky waves. I would really like to have the respective characters to there vehicles at the same time, but oh well. I can't really control that.
  
• The lack of cards. I really enjoyed those from all the others games, as it gave me a chance to catalogue all of the different characters. But, it does give me the excuse to but any Superchargers figure used, its a borderline.
  
• The Skymiibos. While definitely a good idea, they prevent Nintendo players like myself from enjoying Spitfire and the Hot Streak day one, as he is pretty much confirmed as of now not to be in Wave One. I guess its really more of an issue about...
  
• The Starter Packs. Oh, why couldn't it be like Trap Team, and have all but the 3DS (and Wii this year) contain the same figures as everything else. It really makes it difficult for collectors and standard consumers alike.
  
• The prices. To be honest, the Superchargers should have been $10, with the vehicles being 12 to 13. I mean, the characters are really no different than standard core, but the engine is apparently enough to justify it. And the vehicles are playable, but their almost-assured lack of good forward compatibility makes them go down in price, as well as heir status of being alike to Traps.
  

Things that don't really bother me:

• The Dark Editions. I have never gotten them, and am not about to start now, and I won't go on about those.
  
• The reposes. They are old characters with new movesets as well as a matching vehicle. I am getting all of the vehicles, and the characters are enough for me to get as well.
  

Those are my thoughts as of now on Superchargers.

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Alright, for people out there ho hate the fact that the main 8 are the ones getting the Supercharger status this year, think about how many forum members here play Skylanders. Not the entire population, as there is an unknown numbers of ditched accounts or those who dislike Skylanders. Now, do you think that we alone got Skylanders all the way to Multi-Billion dollar status? No, we didn't, it was mainly the kids and parents that don' post here that buy this game and the figures. And according to sales numbers, who are the guys who are bought the most, and are loved and wanted by most of those kids? The exact eight Superchargers that were reposed. Face it, most people here only account for popularity of characters on the forums, when in reality the real popularity test is out in the world, where most of the consumers are. We don't dictate he popular ones here, the rest of the world does. VV just wants to make sure that people who see the commercials that when they see a character they like, like Pop Fizz, that they will be available. And of course, you don't have to buy them!

With that out of the way, I'll go on to my gripes and likes about the game. First likes:

• Vehicles, while not an expected gimmick for me, looks fun, and will not get in the way of me enjoying Skylanders. Change is good.
  
• The plot looks interesting with Kaos actually ruling parts of Skylands, and him ruining our connection with the world. I'm excited to see how it will turn out.
  
• With there only being 40 figures this year, even if it is a bit more than the usual number of new characters, I am sure it will be less expensive than Trap Team.
  
• Zook is getting an Eon's Elite this year, which I am really excited for, as I have been wanting a repose since Swap Force, a he is my favorite character to this day.
  
• Online is finally here, and as I don't usually play with my family, this is a hug plus o me, as that means I can paly with others without having to be related to them!
  

Now for the gripes:

• The wonky waves. I would really like to have the respective characters to there vehicles at the same time, but oh well. I can't really control that.
  
• The lack of cards. I really enjoyed those from all the others games, as it gave me a chance to catalogue all of the different characters. But, it does give me the excuse to but any Superchargers figure used, its a borderline.
  
• The Skymiibos. While definitely a good idea, they prevent Nintendo players like myself from enjoying Spitfire and the Hot Streak day one, as he is pretty much confirmed as of now not to be in Wave One. I guess its really more of an issue about...
  
• The Starter Packs. Oh, why couldn't it be like Trap Team, and have all but the 3DS (and Wii this year) contain the same figures as everything else. It really makes it difficult for collectors and standard consumers alike.
  
• The prices. To be honest, the Superchargers should have been $10, with the vehicles being 12 to 13. I mean, the characters are really no different than standard core, but the engine is apparently enough to justify it. And the vehicles are playable, but their almost-assured lack of good forward compatibility makes them go down in price, as well as heir status of being alike to Traps.
  

Things that don't really bother me:

• The Dark Editions. I have never gotten them, and am not about to start now, and I won't go on about those.
  
• The reposes. They are old characters with new movesets as well as a matching vehicle. I am getting all of the vehicles, and the characters are enough for me to get as well.
  

Those are my thoughts as of now on Superchargers.

You make good points. the waves will be wonky sadly.

Also, I'd say main seven, not eight. Spyro is the main magic.

Thanks for the response, but I would say with Pop Fizz getting a repose every year since Giants, and appearing in most commercials, he has been converted to the main Magic. Hate to say it, but it's true.

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Thanks for the response, but I would say with Pop Fizz getting a repose every year since Giants, and appearing in most commercials, he has been converted to the main Magic. Hate to say it, but it's true.

Lets say their both the mains of Magic. They're too amazing to have one be over the other.


I just want my Spyro to be loved..

I'll live with that.

I think it's a big step in the wrong direction. But I like Fiesta, Roller Brawl, Nightfall, and Thrillipede. I'm planning on just buying those four and their vehicles along with a Portal Owner's Pack.

I have faith TFB will right the ship.

BTW, the ads on this site keep crashing my browser. Makin' me sad.

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BTW, the ads on this site keep crashing my browser. Makin' me sad.

Use Adblock, even if just here. I have this issue in most Curse forums and there's really no reason for them to keep laggy ads around when most other sites bother doing better, and I don't think Dark can do much to fix them.

On TFB making it right again though,dunno. Decisions from higher ups and lack of time definately hurt TT, and now that there are even more dumb decisions to keep or change, things could accumulate next game.

I am old. I love Skylanders - it's the only game I play aside from some games on my mobile phone. So perhaps because I am old there are things that I think I'm really going to hate about Super Chargers. So personally I don't think it's a step in the right direction for me personally, but it might be a for their main target market.

I hate racing style games. I hate with a passion any Sonic games for this reason. I hated the Swap Zones in Swap Force where you had to fly through things to get a time boost or start again. Or where you had to climb while avoiding falling things etc. I just want to explore areas, destroy baddies etc.

One of my favourite parts of the original games was trying to find legendary treasures, treasure chests, hats etc. But now they seem to be in treasure chests where what you get is something of a lucky dip (don't get me started about the poker machine similarities in a kids game). They say they've done this to increase replayability and give people a reason to go through a chapter again. But that's forced in my opinion. Making me go through a chapter again just trying to get a legendary treasure sucks. Why not something like a faulty portal that could randomly send you to any number of lands where you could confront different types of enemies or have mini-missions. That would get me playing the game over and over again.

I hated the idea of more EE characters, but I must admit I don't mind their choices, particularly given some of the old ones that people wanted to see back have been chosen.

I'm trying to keep an open mind about this, but I'm not excited about what I've seen so far. But I am happy for those of you who like racing/flying/jumping style games. I just wish Skylanders didn't go down this path.

I think it is. I just wish we had a whole new set of characters to play with but the re imagined super chargers are a good compromise.

I like racing games. Originally, when I saw posts on the predictions every year, I didn't like the idea because people were saying about them being like SF figures. Loved that gimmick, but not for a second time. But I do like this idea of anyone driving, even if I will only use supercharged pairs in the main play playthrough. All the figures look great, including revamps, even if they could have been all new characters.

I don't like the idea of buying tons of starter packs. It's really difficult, especially of you are a kid or teen who gets money off parents. I get £5 a week, which isn't even enough to buy a trap at the moment. I have to save for 2 weeks to buy a core or trap and 3 for trap masters. 3 weeks is a long time and 2 weeks is enough time for a rare figure to sell out. This year it is making it worse as Superchargers are £13 and vehicles are £15. For us, we're missing out on figures and TFB/VV/Acti are making less money. We also have to ask our parents to preorder the game if we want the preorder exclusives as we have to wait until Christmas or save up for a ridiculous amount of time to preorder ourselves.

They need to understand that their target audience can't just set aside a portion of their wages as we can't work, unlike adults. Even for adults, it's still expensive. They understand that there are people like me who started off in the target audience (7-12) but are leaving that age group and still playing. They don't understand that most teens don't get handed £20 a week. The advantages that we get bought Skylanders as presents and receive birthday money.

I love this game, it's just that the inflated prices aren't benefitting anyone, including the companies.

As far as gameplay is concerned, I think it mostly comes down to whether or not you prefer VV's design philosophy over TfB's. Granted, VV has never required vehicular gameplay before but even so the gameplay looks like your standard VV goodness with some vehicles thrown in. It still has a major emphasis on platforming, puzzles, and obstacle navigation, which is what I've always loved about VV's games. And I doubt they will have required vehicular gameplay in any future games, so calling it a "direction" rather than a "one time gimmick" isn't really accurate.


As far as the marketing side of everything goes...I can't say I mind much how they are doing things. I'm not a completionist, so I feel no desire to get every variant, or even any variants at all. I know what figures I want and I'll get them whenever they come out and go on sale. Mostly I'm just happy that SuperCharger gates aren't elemental. They could easily have required us to get a SuperCharger of every element in order to unlock every gate. And as for trophies, I am curious about them, but at the moment it's looking like I probably won't have any interest in getting them (assuming they just have racing-related content) so they will most likely be a non-issue for me.

I think they will have a hard time selling this game this year, parents have been turned off by trap team and the amount of stuff it requires you to buy just to complete the game 100%. A lot of kids are losing interest in skylanders here, because other than the video game, it is nothing. Lets see a TV show, webisodes, or a movie made that comes out around the holiday season and it will go much further. Lego Dimensions is coming out which is going to be the most popular Toys To Life game this holiday for sure. There is also Disney Infinity 3.0, but from what I see, its not going to be much of a threat. Most kids and parents will not be able to afford 2+ games. Almost every kid here and a ton of adults play with legos these days, its a hugely popular thing, and the addition of popular franchises to the lineup, its going to be taking over skylanders for a lot of parents and kids. The lego pieces can also be used with the regular blocks.

I am disappointed that all these expensive trap masters are essentially being regulated to core status in this game. It seems that the skylander's games are stand alone games now. They don't build on one another like with Giants, Spyro's and Swap force. The cores were pretty good in Swap force even, and I had no issues finding all the swappers in the stores, plus the swappers gave you a decent amount of value, each unlocking a multiple level mini game that you couldn't access without them. You buy a set of figures then you abandon it for the next game, because they don't do anything special in the next game. If you have finished a game like Trap Team 100% there is little reason to keep the special figures around for the next game. If they kept the trap masters around, aka make them do something special in the game, then I would not have such animosity towards it. Trap team was literately NOTHING but a money grab. Fortunately I saw this coming, so I sold off all my trap masters and got nearly what I paid for them in some cases more so that I would not be stuck with a pile of figures that are only used to open gates in one game that contain 1-2 items each and no other content.

Yokai watch is also coming, if you haven't heard of it, its the single BIGGEST franchise in Japan right now. Its coming to the US this holiday with merchandise, a 3DS video game and a TV show. it is almost taking over Pokemon's popularity in Japan (and if you don't know Pokemon is THE most popular video game in Japan). You cannot take one step into the country of Japan without seeing Yokai merchandise everywhere. Kids are replacing Pokemon merchandise with yokai merchandise at a rapid pace. Do not take this franchise lightly just because you have not heard of it. This will surely captivate some kids, while I don't expect it to be the absolutely smash hit that it is in Japan in the USA, it might be able to make an impact on the toy market. Or it could take over everything, that remains to be found out. There are 6 Yokai games in development right now for Japan (in addition to the ones that are already out), and while the USA is just getting the first one, if this series latches on in the USA I expect the games to start coming at a fast and furious pace to catch up. The games have sold massive amounts of copies in Japan. This has the potential to take a bite out of skylanders.

Anyways this holiday season will surely be interesting nonetheless.

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I think they will have a hard time selling this game this year, parents have been turned off by trap team and the amount of stuff it requires you to buy just to complete the game 100%. A lot of kids are losing interest in skylanders here, because other than the video game, it is nothing. Lets see a TV show, webisodes, or a movie made that comes out around the holiday season and it will go much further. Lego Dimensions is coming out which is going to be the most popular Toys To Life game this holiday for sure. There is also Disney Infinity 3.0, but from what I see, its not going to be much of a threat. Most kids and parents will not be able to afford 2+ games. Almost every kid here and a ton of adults play with legos these days, its a hugely popular thing, and the addition of popular franchises to the lineup, its going to be taking over skylanders for a lot of parents and kids. The lego pieces can also be used with the regular blocks.

I am disappointed that all these expensive trap masters are essentially being regulated to core status in this game. It seems that the skylander's games are stand alone games now. They don't build on one another like with Giants, Spyro's and Swap force. The cores were pretty good in Swap force even, and I had no issues finding all the swappers in the stores, plus the swappers gave you a decent amount of value, each unlocking a multiple level mini game that you couldn't access without them. You buy a set of figures then you abandon it for the next game, because they don't do anything special in the next game. If you have finished a game like Trap Team 100% there is little reason to keep the special figures around for the next game. If they kept the trap masters around, aka make them do something special in the game, then I would not have such animosity towards it. Trap team was literately NOTHING but a money grab. Fortunately I saw this coming, so I sold off all my trap masters and got nearly what I paid for them in some cases more so that I would not be stuck with a pile of figures that are only used to open gates in one game that contain 1-2 items each and no other content.

Yokai watch is also coming, if you haven't heard of it, its the single BIGGEST franchise in Japan right now. Its coming to the US this holiday with merchandise, a 3DS video game and a TV show. it is almost taking over Pokemon's popularity in Japan (and if you don't know Pokemon is THE most popular video game in Japan). You cannot take one step into the country of Japan without seeing Yokai merchandise everywhere. Kids are replacing Pokemon merchandise with yokai merchandise at a rapid pace. Do not take this franchise lightly just because you have not heard of it. This will surely captivate some kids, while I don't expect it to be the absolutely smash hit that it is in Japan in the USA, it might be able to make an impact on the toy market. Or it could take over everything, that remains to be found out. There are 6 Yokai games in development right now for Japan (in addition to the ones that are already out), and while the USA is just getting the first one, if this series latches on in the USA I expect the games to start coming at a fast and furious pace to catch up. The games have sold massive amounts of copies in Japan. This has the potential to take a bite out of skylanders.

Anyways this holiday season will surely be interesting nonetheless.

I'm not entirely sure Yokai Watch will be as well as some people thing. Could it do well? Absolutlely, but the problem is that it's VERY Japanese. Pokemon tends to keep the prefect balance of Eastern and Western culture in it's games so it's audience won't feel alienated.

I'm assuming YW takes place in Japan, so it's customs and Yokai designs might look a bit off and out there to American children.

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I'm not entirely sure Yokai Monsters will be as well as some people thing. Could it do well? Absolutlely, but the problem is that it's VERY Japanese. Pokemon tends to keep the prefect balance of Eastern and Western culture in it's games so it's audience won't feel alienated.

I'm assuming YM takes place in Japan, so it's customs and Yokai designs might look a bit off and out there to American children.

Yokai Watch. Not monsters. Watch.

The game is trying to heavily americanize it, so it might appeal more, even if it is still very Japanese.

But Yo-Kai Watch is not TtL related as far as I know and won't be as potentially expensive as Skylanders/Infinity/Universe/Amiibos.

It's just a 3DS family friendly game and there are tons of other titles like that in the stores.

It will probably sell well and might also become a TtL title one day but it doesn't threaten Skylanders at all right now.

Aaaaand the "respect older gimmicks" trend was actually broken by SuperChargers not Trap Team.
True, Trap Masters aren't a brilliant gimmicks like Swappers but still they were special inside that game and could still be unique if they play them well.
Which I don't think will happen even if I still have hope.

I don't feel like writing a long paragraph explaining my opinion right now, but the short answer to the topic title is YES, because we need some changes to the usual formula. Superchargers seems to be doing so without stretching too far from the core experience of Skylanders.

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I don't feel like writing a long paragraph explaining my opinion right now, but the short answer to the topic title is YES, because we need some changes to the usual formula. Superchargers seems to be doing so without stretching too far from the core experience of Skylanders.

This is true but in my opinion they changed what already worked and didn't even touch what would have used some tweaks.

Their intentions were good but they kinda missed their point.
I feel like they modified what shouldn't have been touched so the game won't change that much from the core experience but won't be that much "innovative" either.

I think starting a more open world type of approach would have been a better innovation. Then, vehicles might have felt more natural. Right now, it seems / appears to be very forced and slapped together. I'm sure it was easier this way though. Easy money, but disappointing.

Yokai may not be Toys To Life but it has disrupted the whole video game and toy market in Japan and I think that is saying enough about its potential to become very popular in America. My thought was if people start buying Yokai merchandise en masse then they will buy less toys to life stuff.

Yokai Watch also has an anime, which is something none of the TtL franchises have. Skylanders is a bit closer since we have merch and the extra material while LEGO Dimensions and Disney Infinity depend on source material, but getting a cartoon is almost a surefire way to draw more people in since,unlike books/comics, it's much easier to notice and get interested in. Activision did show interest in a cartoon over a movie(which would probably be a nightmare to make with so many characters), but it's been 4 years since they mentioned anything about it. If it was actually in production, we'd have probably found something about it.

This is a rant so if you don't want to see hate for this game just don't read it.... Thanks.

Agree with you DragonDog.

They did explained why Donkey Kong and Bowser are in the Skylands and it's actually a lore-coherent explanation... But it's still an overall bad concept under many aspects.

If I can give you an advice at least wait to see how Skylanders 6 will be.
I'm confident TfB will fix a couple broken engines...

Amiibolanders make sense in canon. The Mario universe EXISTS in the Skylanders universe because Skylands is the convergence of the multiverse - it can connect to ALL universes,which is why it's so important to protect. Before calling ruined, do research guys, there's a wiki and it's there for people to use.

It's bad explanation, but it's one. VV was the one to put themselves in trouble by asking Nintendo for a partnership, so at least it wasn't the mother of handwave like Dark Portal Masters. This one was expected with Spyro and many other foreigners around, though of course not the specific characters - Yoshi being all for showing up for an heroic adventure is one thing. Bowser would've dragged his castle through the nearest Rift to beat the Darkness himself no matter how dumb that idea would be and the high probability of him getting posessed or having his stuff stolen... Again.

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This is a rant so if you don't want to see hate for this game just don't read it.... Thanks.

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I personally don't like the idea of BAD GUYS from the MARIO series suddenly become a part of the world. MARIO DOESN'T LIVE IN SKYLANDS. The fact that DK and Bowser are only in the WiiU and 3DS games (and can't be played in other games.) makes me thinks the WiiU is going to have some of it's own "special" story that other system players can't get to see (watching on YouTube isn't the same!) I'm passing on this game. Skylanders have gone down hill. At this rate Skylanders 6 is going to have Disney Infinity characters!!! It was fun while it lasted... But I'm sorry to say I'm starting to agree that Actvision ruined Spyro. Good bye Skylanders Super Chargers.... I'm just gonna play my older Skylanders and SPYRO games. (My friend sounds like she agrees. Saying that Actvision is about to pull a Sonic 6 on some of the fans.) I'm glad some of you think it looks amazing. But I don't.

DK is NOT a villain. He's a good guy. You don't seem to be a Nintendo fan, or at least not a big one.


As for Bowser, he has fought for good before.

Bowser probably heard that there was a villain even badder than him and got pissed, so he decided to kick their butts. That's what Bowser does.

But Bowser takes a lot of convincing to do anything on a team, usually from Peach - or at least that's how it's gone in the spinoffs I read/watched/played. If he doesn't, he'll just try to fix the issue by himself and get himself in big trouble. Though, even if VV probably didn't spend more than 15 minutes thinking of how to put them in the canon, it'd be pretty nice if we had a minicomic where it shows Bowser almost getting his tail kicked by the Darkness and having to admit he needs some puny group of heroes(but don't be saying he isn't strong enough,he just needs a LITTLE more manpower). Even the holiday variants have been getting small stories about them, why not the amazing crossover characters.

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This is a rant so if you don't want to see hate for this game just don't read it.... Thanks.

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I personally don't like the idea of BAD GUYS from the MARIO series suddenly become a part of the world. MARIO DOESN'T LIVE IN SKYLANDS. The fact that DK and Bowser are only in the WiiU and 3DS games (and can't be played in other games.) makes me thinks the WiiU is going to have some of it's own "special" story that other system players can't get to see (watching on YouTube isn't the same!) I'm passing on this game. Skylanders have gone down hill. At this rate Skylanders 6 is going to have Disney Infinity characters!!! It was fun while it lasted... But I'm sorry to say I'm starting to agree that Actvision ruined Spyro. Good bye Skylanders Super Chargers.... I'm just gonna play my older Skylanders and SPYRO games. (My friend sounds like she agrees. Saying that Actvision is about to pull a Sonic 6 on some of the fans.) I'm glad some of you think it looks amazing. But I don't.

(Message to the spoiler)

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But Bowser takes a lot of convincing to do anything on a team, usually from Peach - or at least that's how it's gone in the spinoffs I read/watched/played. If he doesn't, he'll just try to fix the issue by himself and get himself in big trouble. Though, even if VV probably didn't spend more than 15 minutes thinking of how to put them in the canon, it'd be pretty nice if we had a minicomic where it shows Bowser almost getting his tail kicked by the Darkness and having to admit he needs some puny group of heroes(but don't be saying he isn't strong enough,he just needs a LITTLE more manpower). Even the holiday variants have been getting small stories about them, why not the amazing crossover characters.

This happened in both Paper Mario games, and pretty much every Mario & Luigi game besides Dream Team. Bowser gets jealous at a new villain for doing more evil stuff than him and goes to beat them up, and usually fails. I think the difference here is that Bowser mostly gets beaten because he's alone and without his army. Here he actually does have some of his army, plus a new hammer, a new form, and a higher being telling him what to do (Though I don't think he would like that).

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Mario's ancestor also named Mario

That's never been confirmed anywhere...all that's ever been confirmed is that the current DK is the original DK's grandson, and that the original DK (now named Cranky) used to battle Mario. They never said that the Mario that Cranky battled was a different Mario from the current Mario.

You can read it in the Donkey Kong Country manual here:

http://mario.wikia.com/wiki/Fi...anual_-_SNS.pdf

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Mario's ancestor also named Mario

That's never been confirmed anywhere...all that's ever been confirmed is that the current DK is the original DK's grandson, and that the original DK (now named Cranky) used to battle Mario. They never said that the Mario that Cranky battled was a different Mario from the current Mario.

You can read it in the Donkey Kong Country manual here:

onkey_Kong_Country_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf">http://mario.wikia.com/wiki/Fi...anual_-_SNS.pdf

Gorillas also do not live as long as humans, they only live 40 years, compared to a human's 80 or so.

Game Theory had an episode where he explained how the "Mario" in the modern games is not the same "Mario" who first captured Donkey Kong (the future Cranky).

Yes, I've seen that video, but it was all conjecture rather than official canon.

Well, nintendo has both said the small bowsers, I forget their names, are his children and then have said they aren't. So official cannon is sometimes more screwed up and hard to believe than something like Game Theory.

Still doesn't make Game Theory official canon. Hence why it's called Game Theory.


And anyway, the current canon on the matter of the Koopalings is that their relationship with Bowser is a mystery, according to Super Smash Bros for Wii U: https://youtu.be/GTy76vf630c?t=4s

Skylanders has great, creative, original characters. Lots of them. With new ones all the time. Way better than Nintendo characters, imo. I don't like the decision to include Nintendo characters, but I do understand it: $$$. Lame if you ask me. The only Nintendo character I like at all is Samus, but I personally wouldn't want any character from another game mixed into Skylanders. I'm still going to buy the game to enjoy with my daughter, but only a few of the new characters and nothing else. We'll probably be spending more time with DI this year, which is sorta weird since I used to be very pro-Skylands in any Skylanders vs DI discussions.

Sorry to keep interjecting with my cynical viewpoint, but I care about this franchise, and everything I've seen so far is disappointing to me, with the exception of a few new characters.

And thank you Bifrost. AdBlock makes the site run so smooth for me. I can't believe I was never using it before.

No probs,samuraituretsky. Problem is, VV were the fanboys who approached Nintendo about this - it doesn't matter if one likes their characters or not, it was about who they wanted in since, like the Overused Eight, you can say they're popular even if it's hardly a difference from the other Nintendo stars or Mario characters specifically. It'd have loved more than Mario guys for franchise variety(Though I'd be biased myself and ask for Kirby characters) but we weren't asked about this - though they'll darn say we clamored for those two specifically.

I wouldn't really call DK a Mario character at this point honestly.

I agree with you samuraituretsky.

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, pessimistic and "cynical" in some way recently... But I really, really, really care about this franchise and what I've seen (mostly marketing/packaging decisions not game-related ones so far) really concerns me.

I sincerely hope to be wrong and that the objective mistakes they've made with this entry will be solved in the future.

I think it's a given we all care otherwise we wouldn't be wasting our time writing about it. When I get overly pessimistic I think it's good to consider walking away. Personally I think a few people are fighting the fact they don't like the game and are simply going with it. I REALLY didn't like Trap Team....the game wasn't bad but was the MOST expensive and provided the LEAST value if measured in time played.

I'm mixed because I prefer VV to TfB and I think VV's influence will make me happier, but on the whole not sure what this game will REALLY give me. Considering the stripped content last game I'll not put down a penny until I can analyze it.

Just gotta vote with dollars if you want them to change. $$$ is the only language they speak.