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• The most wanted terrorist in history was killed (by U.S. forces).
  
• Steps have been taken to make healthcare universal.
  
• The Global War on Terror began to end.
  
• Commerce has resumed with Cuba, after 50 years of feuding.
  
• Same-sex marriage became legal nationwide.
  

Now, was he directly responsible for all of these? No. Not directly.


But love him or hate him, you can't deny that he's going to go down in history.

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• The most wanted terrorist in history was killed (by U.S. forces).
  
• Steps have been taken to make healthcare universal.
  
• The Global War on Terror began to end.
  
• Commerce has resumed with Cuba, after 50 years of feuding.
  
• Same-sex marriage became legal nationwide.
  

Now, was he directly responsible for all of these? No. Not directly.


But love him or hate him, you can't deny that he's going to go down in history.

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Are you trying to get banned?

Don't all presidents do? e.e

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• The most wanted terrorist in history was killed (by U.S. forces).
  
• Steps have been taken to make healthcare universal.
  
• The Global War on Terror began to end.
  
• Commerce has resumed with Cuba, after 50 years of feuding.
  
• Same-sex marriage became legal nationwide.
  

Now, was he directly responsible for all of these? No. Not directly.


But love him or hate him, you can't deny that he's going to go down in history.

Okay, it's extremely debatable as to whether or not that's a good thing, the government under our constitution wasn't designed to control healthcare.

And of course he'll go down in history. He'll be more memorable (in a good way for some, and a bad way for others) than pretty much any single term president.

Probably wouldve got more things done if the Republicans in the HoR and Senate would actually look at anything he tried to do.

This is My favorite place to talk about political figures.

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But love him or hate him, you can't deny that he's going to go down in history.

Tbh the fact that he was the first black president is going to make him history book worthy regardless of his decisions.

He sucks and Mitt Romney would've been better. I know this because I read a YouTube comment about this. :)

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But love him or hate him, you can't deny that he's going to go down in history.

Tbh the fact that he was the first black president is going to make him history book worthy regardless of his decisions.

The exact same thing would happen to Hilary, IF she ends up being next in line that is.

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But love him or hate him, you can't deny that he's going to go down in history.

Tbh the fact that he was the first black president is going to make him history book worthy regardless of his decisions.

The exact same thing would happen to Hilary, IF she ends up being next in line that is.

Yeah, and honestly I wouldn't doubt if she does get voted in. Call me ignorant about politics if you want but I feel like a lot of people are gonna vote for her just to finally see a woman in office. I kinda feel the same about Obama and why he was elected.

What about the trade agreement that just got signed into law? That's what's got my attention right now. ;>.>

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Tbh the fact that he was the first black president is going to make him history book worthy regardless of his decisions.

The exact same thing would happen to Hilary, IF she ends up being next in line that is.

Yeah, and honestly I wouldn't doubt if she does get voted in. Call me ignorant about politics if you want but I feel like a lot of people are gonna vote for her just to finally see a woman in office. I kinda feel the same about Obama and why he was elected.

It seems we see eye to eye on that.

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Tbh the fact that he was the first black president is going to make him history book worthy regardless of his decisions.

The exact same thing would happen to Hilary, IF she ends up being next in line that is.

Yeah, and honestly I wouldn't doubt if she does get voted in. Call me ignorant about politics if you want but I feel like a lot of people are gonna vote for her just to finally see a woman in office. I kinda feel the same about Obama and why he was elected.

Pretty much. The left wing is kind of big on identity politics.

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The exact same thing would happen to Hilary, IF she ends up being next in line that is.

Yeah, and honestly I wouldn't doubt if she does get voted in. Call me ignorant about politics if you want but I feel like a lot of people are gonna vote for her just to finally see a woman in office. I kinda feel the same about Obama and why he was elected.

Pretty much. The left wing is kind of big on identity politics.

Where is My anime running for office?

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Are you trying to get banned?

Explain.


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Don't all presidents do? e.e

Every term of every president is well-documented. Only history's emphasis tends to change.

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Don't all presidents do? e.e

Every term of every president is well-documented. Only history's emphasis tends to change.

Uuuum...Yeah okay.

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Don't all presidents do? e.e

Every term of every president is well-documented. Only history's emphasis tends to change.

Uuuum...Yeah okay.

I mean the emphasis of mainstream educational history......Whose credibility is debatable in the first place.

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• The most wanted terrorist in history was killed (by U.S. forces).
  
• Steps have been taken to make healthcare universal.
  
• The Global War on Terror began to end.
  
• Commerce has resumed with Cuba, after 50 years of feuding.
  
• Same-sex marriage became legal nationwide.
  

Now, was he directly responsible for all of these? No. Not directly.


But love him or hate him, you can't deny that he's going to go down in history.

Okay, it's extremely debatable as to whether or not that's a good thing, the government under our constitution wasn't designed to control healthcare.

And of course he'll go down in history. He'll be more memorable (in a good way for some, and a bad way for others) than pretty much any single term president.

He's been in for two terms though.

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• The most wanted terrorist in history was killed (by U.S. forces).
  
• Steps have been taken to make healthcare universal.
  
• The Global War on Terror began to end.
  
• Commerce has resumed with Cuba, after 50 years of feuding.
  
• Same-sex marriage became legal nationwide.
  

Now, was he directly responsible for all of these? No. Not directly.


But love him or hate him, you can't deny that he's going to go down in history.

Okay, it's extremely debatable as to whether or not that's a good thing, the government under our constitution wasn't designed to control healthcare.

And of course he'll go down in history. He'll be more memorable (in a good way for some, and a bad way for others) than pretty much any single term president.

He's been in for two terms though.

I know that. That's why I said he'd be more well known than any single term president.

he's better than any prime minister australia will ever get :\

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he's better than any prime minister australia will ever get

This is true.

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he's better than any prime minister australia will ever get

I don't know about that. From my understanding Tony Abbott is a pretty bad leader, and I'll believe that. Nothing particularly awful has happened under the Obama administration, but it's quite clear that Obama is motivated by a strong hatred for the United States and it's constitution.

It all starts when the free market takes a turn for the worse (as all markets do) and then the left has the government clean up the "mess." This wouldn't be a problem if the government would back off and let the free market run its course (as the Keynesian economics plan would go) but instead, the government stays in and over regulates the economy.

Unfortunately, it doesn't end there. Left wing politicians like Obama love when the economy is moving slowly because that's their cue to send "Big Brother," the government in to continue gaining control of the nation's resources, much more than the U.S. constitution allows it to.

It is unfortunate that Marxist philosophies were developed well after our founding fathers wrote the constitution, because they could have been much more keen in establishing what type of government we are not to have. The whole foundations of Marxist teachings revolve around envy and class warfare, pitting groups against each other. What politicians like Obama are doing is blatantly demonizing those who are successful or "privileged," in an attempt to rise to power. "You need to feel like the world owes you something, and the government will grant it to you by punishing those who are more successful than you.........and this is all at the expense of your liberty and freedom. We want you to prefer freebies over freedom." These are the basic Marxist ideas. I'm paraphrasing of course.

President Obama is a very smart man, and very competent in terms of achieving what he wants, I'm not denying that. Unfortunately his politics, his attitude, his philosophy; they all come to resemble the type of government that Karl Marx would advocate for.

I don't know about Tony Abott, but this is what Obama's all about. Pardon me for going so in depth, I just didn't want to leave some mindless little comment like "Obama suks bruh."

Our constitution is kind of a mess. It's sort of a double-edged blade in how open it is to interpretation. On the one hand, it's good for allowing us to progress through generations on the same constitution, on the other, it's inconsistent, allowing for both positive and negative things to come out of the various interpretations for it.

This is why whenever someone says Obama has no respect for the constitution, I can only shake my head. Nobody's going to have the exact same interpretation of it, and personally I think it's time for us to give it a complete update. It was designed well and has served us for over two hundred years - but that's just it. It's been two hundred years. The document needs to be revisited by our nation and revised and updated to better suit the modern world we live in.

Truly we need a constitution that better specifies the separation of powers between not only the branches of government, but also between the federal and state governments. There is a power struggle that has been going on between the states and the central government for decades. We need to renew this country with a constitution that better serves her people.

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he's better than any prime minister australia will ever get

Nothing particularly awful has happened under the Obama administration, but it's quite clear that Obama is motivated by a strong hatred for the United States and it's constitution.

What???
That's completely unfounded, and makes zero sense.

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he's better than any prime minister australia will ever get

Nothing particularly awful has happened under the Obama administration, but it's quite clear that Obama is motivated by a strong hatred for the United States and it's constitution.

What???
That's completely unfounded, and makes zero sense.

Elaborate.

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he's better than any prime minister australia will ever get

Nothing particularly awful has happened under the Obama administration, but it's quite clear that Obama is motivated by a strong hatred for the United States and it's constitution.

What???
That's completely unfounded, and makes zero sense.

that's what I was saying.

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Nothing particularly awful has happened under the Obama administration, but it's quite clear that Obama is motivated by a strong hatred for the United States and it's constitution.

What???
That's completely unfounded, and makes zero sense.

Elaborate.

Give me ACTUAL PROOF that he hates the US and the Constitution, then there's a sliver of a chance I'll believe you.

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Our constitution is kind of a mess. It's sort of a double-edged blade in how open it is to interpretation. On the one hand, it's good for allowing us to progress through generations on the same constitution, on the other, it's inconsistent, allowing for both positive and negative things to come out of the various interpretations for it.

This is why whenever someone says Obama has no respect for the constitution, I can only shake my head. Nobody's going to have the exact same interpretation of it, and personally I think it's time for us to give it a complete update. It was designed well and has served us for over two hundred years - but that's just it. It's been two hundred years. The document needs to be revisited by our nation and revised and updated to better suit the modern world we live in.

Truly we need a constitution that better specifies the separation of powers between not only the branches of government, but also between the federal and state governments. There is a power struggle that has been going on between the states and the central government for decades. We need to renew this country with a constitution that better serves her people.

We have a system that works well and has worked well for years. Anti-American politicians like Obama, while not quite flamboyant with their Anti-American ideas do have disdain for this constitution. If we were to change it, it would take a VERY long time, and understandably so, as the whole process of changing laws is designed to be cumbersome.

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Our constitution is kind of a mess. It's sort of a double-edged blade in how open it is to interpretation. On the one hand, it's good for allowing us to progress through generations on the same constitution, on the other, it's inconsistent, allowing for both positive and negative things to come out of the various interpretations for it.

This is why whenever someone says Obama has no respect for the constitution, I can only shake my head. Nobody's going to have the exact same interpretation of it, and personally I think it's time for us to give it a complete update. It was designed well and has served us for over two hundred years - but that's just it. It's been two hundred years. The document needs to be revisited by our nation and revised and updated to better suit the modern world we live in.

Truly we need a constitution that better specifies the separation of powers between not only the branches of government, but also between the federal and state governments. There is a power struggle that has been going on between the states and the central government for decades. We need to renew this country with a constitution that better serves her people.

We have a system that works well and has worked well for years. Anti-American politicians like Obama, while not quite flamboyant with their Anti-American ideas do have disdain for this constitution. If we were to change it, it would take a VERY long time, and understandably so, as the whole process of changing laws is designed to be cumbersome.

You've got a point there. The Constitution was purposely written the way it is so that no single ruler could use it as a tool to gain power.


I think the whole thing about Obama being Anti-American comes from post-9/11 paranoiacs who were used to Bush's benevolent militarization of the country.

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What???
That's completely unfounded, and makes zero sense.

Elaborate.

Give me ACTUAL PROOF that he hates the US and the Constitution, then there's a sliver of a chance I'll believe you.

Nah, I'd rather you tell me why Obama is an angel who loves this country, since I made a long post about him being anti-American, and all you're doing is saying "dood ur wrong u dun make no sense," without actually providing adequate backup.

tfw obama will never give you the bbc

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Elaborate.

Give me ACTUAL PROOF that he hates the US and the Constitution, then there's a sliver of a chance I'll believe you.

Nah, I'd rather you tell me why Obama is an angel who loves this country, since I made a long post about him being anti-American, and all you're doing is saying "dood ur wrong u dun make no sense," without actually providing adequate backup.

I did read it. I just didn't want to take up space by quoting everything.
None of that was actual proof, it was unfounded theory at best. It barely had any basis for anyone to understand unless you put on your tin foil conspiracy hat.

politics is the best discussion to have on a children's website based on a nostalgic game that features a purple dragon with a dragonfly as a best friend

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Give me ACTUAL PROOF that he hates the US and the Constitution, then there's a sliver of a chance I'll believe you.

Nah, I'd rather you tell me why Obama is an angel who loves this country, since I made a long post about him being anti-American, and all you're doing is saying "dood ur wrong u dun make no sense," without actually providing adequate backup.

I did read it. I just didn't want to take up space by quoting everything.
None of that was actual proof, it was unfounded theory at best. It barely had any basis for anyone to understand unless you put on your tin foil conspiracy hat.

Explain. Not to be rude, but all you're really doing is casting aspersions here.

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mfw obama thanks japan for ANIIIIIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Our constitution is kind of a mess. It's sort of a double-edged blade in how open it is to interpretation. On the one hand, it's good for allowing us to progress through generations on the same constitution, on the other, it's inconsistent, allowing for both positive and negative things to come out of the various interpretations for it.

This is why whenever someone says Obama has no respect for the constitution, I can only shake my head. Nobody's going to have the exact same interpretation of it, and personally I think it's time for us to give it a complete update. It was designed well and has served us for over two hundred years - but that's just it. It's been two hundred years. The document needs to be revisited by our nation and revised and updated to better suit the modern world we live in.

Truly we need a constitution that better specifies the separation of powers between not only the branches of government, but also between the federal and state governments. There is a power struggle that has been going on between the states and the central government for decades. We need to renew this country with a constitution that better serves her people.

We have a system that works well and has worked well for years. Anti-American politicians like Obama, while not quite flamboyant with their Anti-American ideas do have disdain for this constitution. If we were to change it, it would take a VERY long time, and understandably so, as the whole process of changing laws is designed to be cumbersome.

You've got a point there. The Constitution was purposely written the way it is so that no single ruler could use it as a tool to gain power.


I think the whole thing about Obama being Anti-American comes from post-9/11 paranoiacs who were used to Bush's benevolent militarization of the country.

It goes a bit deeper than that. I would talk a little bit more, but I'm kinda tired after that first post. Here's a link to some very interesting stuff from Obama and a little bit from Michelle.

http://www.tomatobubble.com/obamas_hate_america.html

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Explain. Not to be rude, but all you're really doing is casting aspersions here.

How am I attacking you? I'm simply stating that you don't have any proof. If you really want me to point out every little detail, then fine.

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I don't know about that. From my understanding Tony Abbott is a pretty bad leader, and I'll believe that. Nothing particularly awful has happened under the Obama administration, but it's quite clear that Obama is motivated by a strong hatred for the United States and it's constitution.

Her post said nothing about Obama until you brought it up. There was no use in even saying so.

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Left wing politicians like Obama love when the economy is moving slowly because that's their cue to send "Big Brother," the government in to continue gaining control of the nation's resources, much more than the U.S. constitution allows it to.

You have no proof of this, you make it sound like there's some sort of big secret hooplah behind the government. I'm not denying that politicians are often corrupt, but there's no "Big Brother" there's no Illuminati, there's no One World Order, none of that conspiracy crap. You have no evidence of this, and you especially don't have evidence of his apparent secret resource hoarding.

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President Obama is a very smart man, and very competent in terms of achieving what he wants, I'm not denying that. Unfortunately his politics, his attitude, his philosophy; they all come to resemble the type of government that Karl Marx would advocate for.

I thought Americans were over the Red Scare. Clearly I was wrong.

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I don't know about Tony Abott, but this is what Obama's all about. Pardon me for going so in depth, I just didn't want to leave some mindless little comment like "Obama suks bruh.

Again, why bother saying all this stuff when her post had almost nothing to do with Obama? You could have at least saved your rant for when someone said something even remotely like it.

Ohh nooo, another political debate. Let's make a sex joke and wait for the topic to be closed.

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We have a system that works well and has worked well for years. Anti-American politicians like Obama, while not quite flamboyant with their Anti-American ideas do have disdain for this constitution. If we were to change it, it would take a VERY long time, and understandably so, as the whole process of changing laws is designed to be cumbersome.

You've got a point there. The Constitution was purposely written the way it is so that no single ruler could use it as a tool to gain power.


I think the whole thing about Obama being Anti-American comes from post-9/11 paranoiacs who were used to Bush's benevolent militarization of the country.

It goes a bit deeper than that. I would talk a little bit more, but I'm kinda tired after that first post. Here's a link to some very interesting stuff from Obama and a little bit from Michelle.

http://www.tomatobubble.com/obamas_hate_america.html

Are they really anti-American, or are they simply dissatisfied with how the country was and hoped to change it?


After all, isn't that the whole point of becoming President?

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Explain. Not to be rude, but all you're really doing is casting aspersions here.

How am I attacking you? I'm simply stating that you don't have any proof. If you really want me to point out every little detail, then fine.

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I don't know about that. From my understanding Tony Abbott is a pretty bad leader, and I'll believe that. Nothing particularly awful has happened under the Obama administration, but it's quite clear that Obama is motivated by a strong hatred for the United States and it's constitution.

Her post said nothing about Obama until you brought it up. There was no use in even saying so.

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Left wing politicians like Obama love when the economy is moving slowly because that's their cue to send "Big Brother," the government in to continue gaining control of the nation's resources, much more than the U.S. constitution allows it to.

You have no proof of this, you make it sound like there's some sort of big secret hooplah behind the government. I'm not denying that politicians are often corrupt, but there's no "Big Brother" there's no Illuminati, there's no One World Order, none of that conspiracy crap. You have no evidence of this, and you especially don't have evidence of his apparent secret resource hoarding.

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President Obama is a very smart man, and very competent in terms of achieving what he wants, I'm not denying that. Unfortunately his politics, his attitude, his philosophy; they all come to resemble the type of government that Karl Marx would advocate for.

I thought Americans were over the Red Scare. Clearly I was wrong.

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I don't know about Tony Abott, but this is what Obama's all about. Pardon me for going so in depth, I just didn't want to leave some mindless little comment like "Obama suks bruh.

Again, why bother saying all this stuff when her post had almost nothing to do with Obama? You could have at least saved your rant for when someone said something even remotely like it.

1. To the first quote, I didn't say you were attacking me, I'm just saying you haven't really contributed anything other than simply saying my post was conspiracy theory.

2. The post said, without mentioning Obama's name, that the U.S. President could not possibly be worse than the Australian Prime Minister.

3. Big government is actually a high level threat to us. I'm not saying we should be anarchists or commit treason against our government, but it's a problem. Do you know the story of Adolph Hitler? I'm not comparing Obama to him, rather I'm comparing their rise to power and increasing the size of the government.

4. Okay, so if I'm worried about Marxist ideals seeping into the country I'm suddenly some little 1950's Red Scare boy? Not really. Most people frown upon communism.

5. Well, someone brought up how Tony Abbott was bad and could not be worse than Obama, and so I decided to pitch in. I don't expect to convince anyone on this site that Obama's truly a bad president (although some people like Parisruelz seem to believe this already). I was only being analytical and pointing out ways in which Obama's plan and attitude resembles that of Marx.

I'm sorry if I sound rude, I don't have anything against you, nor do I consider this a political flame war.

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he's better than any prime minister australia will ever get :\

I don't know about that. From my understanding Tony Abbott is a pretty bad leader, and I'll believe that. Nothing particularly awful has happened under the Obama administration, but it's quite clear that Obama is motivated by a strong hatred for the United States and it's constitution.

It all starts when the free market takes a turn for the worse (as all markets do) and then the left has the government clean up the "mess." This wouldn't be a problem if the government would back off and let the free market run its course (as the Keynesian economics plan would go) but instead, the government stays in and over regulates the economy.

Unfortunately, it doesn't end there. Left wing politicians like Obama love when the economy is moving slowly because that's their cue to send "Big Brother," the government in to continue gaining control of the nation's resources, much more than the U.S. constitution allows it to.

It is unfortunate that Marxist philosophies were developed well after our founding fathers wrote the constitution, because they could have been much more keen in establishing what type of government we are not to have. The whole foundations of Marxist teachings revolve around envy and class warfare, pitting groups against each other. What politicians like Obama are doing is blatantly demonizing those who are successful or "privileged," in an attempt to rise to power. "You need to feel like the world owes you something, and the government will grant it to you by punishing those who are more successful than you.........and this is all at the expense of your liberty and freedom. We want you to prefer freebies over freedom." These are the basic Marxist ideas. I'm paraphrasing of course.

President Obama is a very smart man, and very competent in terms of achieving what he wants, I'm not denying that. Unfortunately his politics, his attitude, his philosophy; they all come to resemble the type of government that Karl Marx would advocate for.

I don't know about Tony Abott, but this is what Obama's all about. Pardon me for going so in depth, I just didn't want to leave some mindless little comment like "Obama suks bruh."

julia gillard was terrible too. so terrible she got replaced. tony abbott isn't the only terrible prime minister we've had.

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mfw obama thanks japan for ANIIIIIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

i'm not going to lie, my respect for him went up after he said that

Power to the proletariat.