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Quote: Mesuxelf

I've recently been playing random quite a lot, and I've noticed flaws in many characters. Here's what I would change about all the characters to make them perfect in my eyes. Remember, this is my opinion. If you don't like it, or you feel differently, feel free to say so. But don't get mad about this. I made this for fun.

• Bowser Jr.: Less landing lag on down air
  
• Zelda: Get rid of her down air sweet spot, and make her whole down air hitbox have the same properties as the sweetspot before. Also, make her forward air and back air's sweetspot hitbox be out for longer, like as long as the falcon knee. Make a little faster.
  

agreed


• Sheik: Honestly, I don't think anyone likes down airs that plummet themselves to the ground. Get rid of that property, and make it a meteor smash, but not go hurdling towards the earth.
  

how about we don't buff sheik right now


• Samus: Make her able to charge her charge shot in the air. Make her up tilt identical to Falcon's
  

agreed


• Zero Suit Samus: Same thing about Sheik with the crappy down air.
  

bad mesu


• Falco: Keep the best double jump in the game, make a little faster, scale down significantly the horrendous ending lag on his forward air.
  

also fix his blaster to be slightly faster


• Greninja: Let's be real here. Greninja is WAY too good. Even though this list isn't meant to nerf anyone, and is meant to only build up off of what's already there, we really need to nerf Greninja to make it fair on everyone else.
  

i can not agree more


• R.O.B.: Make his down air and nair come out a little quicker.
  

yes


• Sonic: Same change as with Sheik and Zero Suit Samus.
  

it spikes already and he can recover well from it as it has no atrocious endlag

and while we're at it let's just make all of greninja's moves his down air

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Quote: Mesuxelf

I've recently been playing random quite a lot, and I've noticed flaws in many characters. Here's what I would change about all the characters to make them perfect in my eyes. Remember, this is my opinion. If you don't like it, or you feel differently, feel free to say so. But don't get mad about this. I made this for fun.

• Bowser Jr.: Less landing lag on down air
  
• Zelda: Get rid of her down air sweet spot, and make her whole down air hitbox have the same properties as the sweetspot before. Also, make her forward air and back air's sweetspot hitbox be out for longer, like as long as the falcon knee. Make a little faster.
  

agreed


• Sheik: Honestly, I don't think anyone likes down airs that plummet themselves to the ground. Get rid of that property, and make it a meteor smash, but not go hurdling towards the earth.
  

how about we don't buff sheik right now


• Samus: Make her able to charge her charge shot in the air. Make her up tilt identical to Falcon's
  

agreed


• Zero Suit Samus: Same thing about Sheik with the crappy down air.
  

bad mesu


• Falco: Keep the best double jump in the game, make a little faster, scale down significantly the horrendous ending lag on his forward air.
  

also fix his blaster to be slightly faster


• Greninja: Let's be real here. Greninja is WAY too good. Even though this list isn't meant to nerf anyone, and is meant to only build up off of what's already there, we really need to nerf Greninja to make it fair on everyone else.
  

i can not agree more


• R.O.B.: Make his down air and nair come out a little quicker.
  

yes


• Sonic: Same change as with Sheik and Zero Suit Samus.
  

it spikes already and he can recover well from it as it has no atrocious endlag

and while we're at it let's just make all of greninja's moves his down air

Regarding Sheik and Zero Suit Samus, the list I provided was meant to buff characters - get rid of their weak points. While I agree that they don't need buffs, I'm going to give them them anyway because that's the name of the game.

And about Sonic, just because he can recover from it doesn't mean it's good. Sonic would be better with a standard meteor smash than his current down air.

Sonic's down air is great, because he can shoot down from afar which is more threatening than most meteors. It just takes more skill to use.

Quote: sonicbrawler182

Sonic's down air is great, because he can shoot down from afar which is more threatening than most meteors. It just takes more skill to use.

But then there's Toon Link's down air. It sends him straight down and it goes straight through opponents, unlike Link and Greninja. It also takes forever to recover from.

Quote: Mesuxelf

Quote: sonicbrawler182

Sonic's down air is great, because he can shoot down from afar which is more threatening than most meteors. It just takes more skill to use.

But then there's Toon Link's down air. It sends him straight down and it goes straight through opponents, unlike Link and Greninja. It also takes forever to recover from.

Unreliable af offstage

Greninja can recover much like Sonic can but Toon Link is just


done for

I miss pogo sticking people with Toon Link :c

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Sonic's down air is great, because he can shoot down from afar which is more threatening than most meteors. It just takes more skill to use.

But then there's Toon Link's down air. It sends him straight down and it goes straight through opponents, unlike Link and Greninja. It also takes forever to recover from.

Unreliable af offstage

Greninja can recover much like Sonic can but Toon Link is just


done for

Same with Bowser's dair. It's only useful for the meteor at the edge of the stage, which is edgy.

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I miss pogo sticking people with Toon Link :c

Greninja is your man.

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Greninja is your man.

It's just...not the same. :c

Greninja's pogo stick has gotten me a lot of humiliating deaths in Smash.

So is anyone else getting Lucas when he comes out Sunday?

yesssssss

can't wait for this DLC direct as well

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Greninja's pogo stick has gotten me a lot of humiliating deaths in Smash.

So is anyone else getting Lucas when he comes out Sunday?

I'll pass. I've always hated Earthbound and it's characters, lord knows I need ANOTHER one of those ****s to fight.

Quote: pankakesparx456

Greninja's pogo stick has gotten me a lot of humiliating deaths in Smash.

So is anyone else getting Lucas when he comes out Sunday?

Yessssss.

Quote: I-Brawler

yesssssss

can't wait for this DLC direct as well

*hopes for wolf*

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Quote: pankakesparx456

Greninja's pogo stick has gotten me a lot of humiliating deaths in Smash.

So is anyone else getting Lucas when he comes out Sunday?

I'll pass. I've always hated Earthbound and it's characters, lord knows I need ANOTHER one of those ****s to fight.

Personally, I'm going to get every DLC fighter they throw out at me for both systems. I'm too loyal ;A;
Unless it's another Lucina. **** that ****.

Quote: Mesuxelf

Quote: pankakesparx456

Greninja's pogo stick has gotten me a lot of humiliating deaths in Smash.

So is anyone else getting Lucas when he comes out Sunday?

Yessssss.

Quote: I-Brawler

yesssssss

can't wait for this DLC direct as well

*hopes for wolf*

Quote: StriderSwag

Quote: pankakesparx456

Greninja's pogo stick has gotten me a lot of humiliating deaths in Smash.

So is anyone else getting Lucas when he comes out Sunday?

I'll pass. I've always hated Earthbound and it's characters, lord knows I need ANOTHER one of those ****s to fight.

Personally, I'm going to get every DLC fighter they throw out at me for both systems. I'm too loyal ;A;
Unless it's another Lucina. **** that ****.

;~;
I really only want Roy and Ryu if they're announced. Other than that, i think I'll pass on most DLC. The only reason I got Mewtwo was that dual console deal for having both games.

Quote: StriderSwag

Quote: Mesuxelf

Quote: pankakesparx456

Greninja's pogo stick has gotten me a lot of humiliating deaths in Smash.

So is anyone else getting Lucas when he comes out Sunday?

Yessssss.

Quote: I-Brawler

yesssssss

can't wait for this DLC direct as well

*hopes for wolf*

Quote: StriderSwag

I'll pass. I've always hated Earthbound and it's characters, lord knows I need ANOTHER one of those ****s to fight.

Personally, I'm going to get every DLC fighter they throw out at me for both systems. I'm too loyal ;A;
Unless it's another Lucina. **** that ****.

;~;
I really only want Roy and Ryu if they're announced. Other than that, i think I'll pass on most DLC. The only reason I got Mewtwo was that dual console deal for having both games.

I'll get Roy even if he's $50. Roy's been my boy since 2004, and nothing will stop me from playing as him again. I hope to god he's as good as PM Roy.
I'm also interested in Ryu, as I'd like to see what they'd do with him.

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Quote: Mesuxelf

Yessssss.


*hopes for wolf*


Personally, I'm going to get every DLC fighter they throw out at me for both systems. I'm too loyal ;A;
Unless it's another Lucina. **** that ****.

;~;
I really only want Roy and Ryu if they're announced. Other than that, i think I'll pass on most DLC. The only reason I got Mewtwo was that dual console deal for having both games.

I'll get Roy even if he's $50. Roy's been my boy since 2004, and nothing will stop me from playing as him again. I hope to god he's as good as PM Roy.
I'm also interested in Ryu, as I'd like to see what they'd do with him.

I just want Roy because HOT DAMN DO I LOVE FIRE EMBLEM. Plus, I like his design a hell of a lot more than Marth's.
I've always really liked Street Fighter as well, and if the DLC gets Amiibo's I'm totally gonna be first in line for Ryu's.

Anyone else feel like certain characters fair better on the 3DS than on the Wii U and vice versa? For example, I find aerials so much easier to land on the 3DS version than on the Wii U, especially with characters like JigglyPuff and Pac-Man.

Quote: Mrmorrises

Anyone else feel like certain characters fair better on the 3DS than on the Wii U and vice versa? For example, I find aerials so much easier to land on the 3DS version than on the Wii U, especially with characters like JigglyPuff and Pac-Man.

I hoped I wasn't the only one!

I'm FAR better as Lucina on the 3DS, but way worse as Shulk on it.

Quote: I-Brawler

Quote: Mesuxelf

I've recently been playing random quite a lot, and I've noticed flaws in many characters. Here's what I would change about all the characters to make them perfect in my eyes. Remember, this is my opinion. If you don't like it, or you feel differently, feel free to say so. But don't get mad about this. I made this for fun.

• Bowser Jr.: Less landing lag on down air
  
• Zelda: Get rid of her down air sweet spot, and make her whole down air hitbox have the same properties as the sweetspot before. Also, make her forward air and back air's sweetspot hitbox be out for longer, like as long as the falcon knee. Make a little faster.
  

agreed


• Sheik: Honestly, I don't think anyone likes down airs that plummet themselves to the ground. Get rid of that property, and make it a meteor smash, but not go hurdling towards the earth.
  

how about we don't buff sheik right now


• Samus: Make her able to charge her charge shot in the air. Make her up tilt identical to Falcon's
  

agreed


• Zero Suit Samus: Same thing about Sheik with the crappy down air.
  

bad mesu


• Falco: Keep the best double jump in the game, make a little faster, scale down significantly the horrendous ending lag on his forward air.
  

also fix his blaster to be slightly faster


• Greninja: Let's be real here. Greninja is WAY too good. Even though this list isn't meant to nerf anyone, and is meant to only build up off of what's already there, we really need to nerf Greninja to make it fair on everyone else.
  

i can not agree more


• R.O.B.: Make his down air and nair come out a little quicker.
  

yes


• Sonic: Same change as with Sheik and Zero Suit Samus.
  

it spikes already and he can recover well from it as it has no atrocious endlag

and while we're at it let's just make all of greninja's moves his down air

Honestly, I have not had that much trouble dealing with Greninja. I can think of worse characters than him. *coughCaptainFalconcough*

i said

let's make all of his moves his down air

do you not want to nerf greninja

because that is unacceptable

Quote: I-Brawler

i said

let's make all of his moves his down air

do you not want to nerf greninja

because that is unacceptable

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Greninja nerfed, but more because I hate the ugly piece of **** rather than actually having trouble fighting him, so I don't know if that counts.

Quote: MugoUrth

Quote: I-Brawler

i said

let's make all of his moves his down air

do you not want to nerf greninja

because that is unacceptable

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Greninja nerfed, but more because I hate the ugly piece of **** rather than actually having trouble fighting him, so I don't know if that counts.

He doesn't get the joke

Quote: Mesuxelf

Quote: MugoUrth

Quote: I-Brawler

i said

let's make all of his moves his down air

do you not want to nerf greninja

because that is unacceptable

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Greninja nerfed, but more because I hate the ugly piece of **** rather than actually having trouble fighting him, so I don't know if that counts.

He doesn't get the joke

what should we do about it

Quote: I-Brawler

Quote: Mesuxelf

Quote: MugoUrth

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Greninja nerfed, but more because I hate the ugly piece of **** rather than actually having trouble fighting him, so I don't know if that counts.

He doesn't get the joke

what should we do about it

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kill him

Good idea, let's do that.

Quote: Mesuxelf

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Quote: Mesuxelf

He doesn't get the joke

what should we do about it

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i say we nerf greninja

Good idea, let's do that.

mesu no don't edit my posts ):<

http://kotaku.com/there-are-no...ator-1710569154

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Sakurai concludes that while it is made for all sorts of players, from novices to veterans, Smash Bros. is essentially balanced so that mid-ranged players can enjoy it.

So does this mean they're gonna buff Rosalina? :V

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what should we do about it

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mesu was here ib is a l00zr

Good idea, let's do that.

mesu no don't edit my posts ):<

i didn't <3



Quote: sonicbrawler182

http://kotaku.com/there-are-no...ator-1710569154

Quote:

Sakurai concludes that while it is made for all sorts of players, from novices to veterans, Smash Bros. is essentially balanced so that mid-ranged players can enjoy it.

So does this mean they're gonna buff Rosalina? :V

Nah, nerf Greninja.

Quote: sonicbrawler182

http://kotaku.com/there-are-no...ator-1710569154

Quote:

Sakurai concludes that while it is made for all sorts of players, from novices to veterans, Smash Bros. is essentially balanced so that mid-ranged players can enjoy it.

because if anyone is good with a Kid Icarus or Kirby character it's obviously Sakurai's fault.

Seriously, he may be biased, *coughDARKPITcough* but he's not THAT biased.

Quote: Mesuxelf

Quote: MugoUrth

Quote: I-Brawler

i said

let's make all of his moves his down air

do you not want to nerf greninja

because that is unacceptable

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Greninja nerfed, but more because I hate the ugly piece of **** rather than actually having trouble fighting him, so I don't know if that counts.

He doesn't get the joke

I sort of do. It's just not funny. Also, the last update buffed him.

Quote: Mesuxelf

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kill him

Good idea, let's do that.

Dieplz.

i could've sworn the last update nerfed him

Quote: I-Brawler

i could've sworn the last update nerfed him

Meh, I looked back at Reddit, and apparently the last update did nothing to him. All the "buffs" people thought he got might have just been imagined.

Quote: MugoUrth

Quote: I-Brawler

i could've sworn the last update nerfed him

Meh, I looked back at Reddit, and apparently the last update did nothing to him. All the "buffs" people thought he got might have just been imagined.

did nothing to him? that's a lie

they made him worse somehow

they are unseeable nerfs

but they are nerfs

Quote: I-Brawler

Quote: MugoUrth

Quote: I-Brawler

i could've sworn the last update nerfed him

Meh, I looked back at Reddit, and apparently the last update did nothing to him. All the "buffs" people thought he got might have just been imagined.

did nothing to him? that's a lie

they made him worse somehow

they are unseeable nerfs

but they are nerfs

It's hidden code. All the patch actually did was nerf Greninja.

i'm bored again so i'm gonna go through the events that happened with smash in my life

- my family was at this party in late 2008 of which the kids who lived there had Brawl. i had literally no idea what the game was but i wanted to play it
- i picked kirby and didn't know how to do anything but standard b and standard a
- another kid picked kirby but also didn't know what he was doing so it was a kirby face-off with only inhale and swallowing each other (though it was on melee yoshi's island so i fell through the middle hole a few times
- couple months later early 2009 i go to my friend's house for another party but i pick pikachu and yet again only do standard a and b

at this point in time these were my thoughts on some characters
- pikachu was cool
- we referred to zelda as the princess and sheik as the old man because that was what they looked like to us for some reason
- i thought ness and lucas were from a horror game because of their entrances, ness teleporting with a creepy smile and lucas riding on a living table
i never played as them for years
- i thought meta knight was a fire emblem character just because he had a sword, didn't know what fire emblem was, either, just the sword thing made me think he went with "the marth dude"
- mr game and watch was boring
- lucario was op due to aura mechanic (of which none of us knew about)
- "who's mewtwo?"

- a while later i got a pre owned copy of the game, which was terribly scratched, sheik caused the game to crash every time she was loaded in, which caused me and my brother to be all like "oh no zelda is in this match kill her quick before she transforms" and then she transforms at some point and game crashes
- no idea what the heck the shield or grab is but i know at this point that direction + attack does different stuff
- unable to finish subspace because #sheikproblems
- r.o.b. and game and watch are boring and stupid because they're old and i don't know what they are
- snake is boring because he's too realistic

- fast forward like 3-4 years and me and my friends have casual smash parties every so often
- luigi is my main
- captain falcon is overrated
- go to this summer camp for two weeks 2 years in a row where smash 64 and melee appear (never seen in person)
- "where's meta knight and sonic"
- 2013 and smash 4 is announced
- "oh i can grab and shield huh nice"
- getting hyped with pic of the day and new character trailers etc
- actually wanting characters i never used such as r.o.b. and ness to return
- 3ds release
- getting better
- wii u release
- don't get until later because \no interest
- don't play wii u for months
- get back to it in like february
- get mewtwo
- lucas hype
- enter first tourney
- present

\really bored ok

Quote: I-Brawler

i'm bored again so i'm gonna go through the events that happened with smash in my life

- my family was at this party in late 2008 of which the kids who lived there had Brawl. i had literally no idea what the game was but i wanted to play it
- i picked kirby and didn't know how to do anything but standard b and standard a
- another kid picked kirby but also didn't know what he was doing so it was a kirby face-off with only inhale and swallowing each other (though it was on melee yoshi's island so i fell through the middle hole a few times
- couple months later early 2009 i go to my friend's house for another party but i pick pikachu and yet again only do standard a and b

at this point in time these were my thoughts on some characters
- pikachu was cool
- we referred to zelda as the princess and sheik as the old man because that was what they looked like to us for some reason
- i thought ness and lucas were from a horror game because of their entrances, ness teleporting with a creepy smile and lucas riding on a living table
i never played as them for years
- i thought meta knight was a fire emblem character just because he had a sword, didn't know what fire emblem was, either, just the sword thing made me think he went with "the marth dude"
- mr game and watch was boring
- lucario was op due to aura mechanic (of which none of us knew about)
- "who's mewtwo?"

- a while later i got a pre owned copy of the game, which was terribly scratched, sheik caused the game to crash every time she was loaded in, which caused me and my brother to be all like "oh no zelda is in this match kill her quick before she transforms" and then she transforms at some point and game crashes
- no idea what the heck the shield or grab is but i know at this point that direction + attack does different stuff
- unable to finish subspace because #sheikproblems
- r.o.b. and game and watch are boring and stupid because they're old and i don't know what they are
- snake is boring because he's too realistic

- fast forward like 3-4 years and me and my friends have casual smash parties every so often
- luigi is my main
- captain falcon is overrated
- go to this summer camp for two weeks 2 years in a row where smash 64 and melee appear (never seen in person)
- "where's meta knight and sonic"
- 2014 and smash 4 is announced
- "oh i can grab and shield huh nice"
- getting hyped with pic of the day and new character trailers etc
- actually wanting characters i never used such as r.o.b. and ness to return
- 3ds release
- getting better
- wii u release
- don't get until later because \no interest
- don't play wii u for months
- get back to it in like february
- get mewtwo
- lucas hype
- enter first tourney
- present

\really bored ok

If they thought Lucario was OP in Brawl, then they haven't seen him in Smash 4.


Smash 4 was announced in 2013.

we were kids

ok

8 years old

also let me fix that

They should nerf sheik dude! So OP!!!!

Quote: Mitt rox

They should nerf sheik dude! So OP!!!!

Every Sheik ever.

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hello i am a fellow smasher, i play mostly project m but i play smash 4 too

my smash 4 mains are

-Mewtwo
-Dedede
-Fox?

wii u name is SherriBat

June 14th is almost here... So here's some hype!

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June 14th is almost here... So here's some hype!

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Quote: I-Brawler

Quote: AJAwesome

June 14th is almost here... So here's some hype!

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warning: mlg

warning: hype

Those aren't the only things that were leaked:

I know one guy who would love that...

So Ryu and Roy are finally confirmed? I kind of hoped they wouldn't be.

-No more Fire Emblem characters please.
-I still think Ryu imight have a very similar moveset to Luigi or Dr. Mario. Neutral B: Projectile, Up B: Uppercut, Down B: Spinning move. Side B is still a mystery.
-SSB4 needs more non-humans please.
-SSB4 needs more villains please.
-Two Capcom reps. No fair!
-3DS version needs more stages please.

...I'm still going to by them, but like Lucas, I'm mostly buying them for collection purposes.

Quote: MugoUrth

So Ryu and Roy are finally confirmed? I kind of hoped they wouldn't be.

-No more Fire Emblem characters please.
-I still think Ryu imight have a very similar moveset to Luigi or Dr. Mario. Neutral B: Projectile, Up B: Uppercut, Down B: Spinning move. Side B is still a mystery.
-SSB4 needs more non-humans please.
-SSB4 needs more villains please.
-Two Capcom reps. No fair!
-3DS version needs more stages please.

...I'm still going to by them, but like Lucas, I'm mostly buying them for collection purposes.

Dreamland 64 and the Street Fighter stage are in both versions of the game.

Also more stuff:

Quote: MugoUrth

So Ryu and Roy are finally confirmed? I kind of hoped they wouldn't be.

-No more Fire Emblem characters please.
-I still think Ryu imight have a very similar moveset to Luigi or Dr. Mario. Neutral B: Projectile, Up B: Uppercut, Down B: Spinning move. Side B is still a mystery.
-SSB4 needs more non-humans please.
-SSB4 needs more villains please.
-Two Capcom reps. No fair!
-3DS version needs more stages please.

...I'm still going to by them, but like Lucas, I'm mostly buying them for collection purposes.

But we have 6 Mario characters if you only count the Mushroom series and we have 6 Pokemon as well. Fire Emblem only has 3 original characters with the others being clones (unless they change up Roy)

can't argue don't know

We have 21 out of 48 on the roster (excluding miis) that are non-human, with Mewtwo and possibly more later, such as Wolf

i might be uneducated here so i won't say anything

Who said the 3ds won't have DLC stages?

:|

Looking at Ryu's little footage, he looks like he's really gonna be more like an upgraded Little Mac. Those Smash Attacks with the ink trails I believe were called "Focus Attacks" or something in SFIV, and I believe they granted super armour, so they'll likely do the same in Smash, making Ryu a Little Mac who also kicks and has more versatile specials.

Also none of the upcoming characters have customs.

Roy and Ryu don't really surprise me considering the leaks a while back. But i'm wondering if they're going to be released a lot closer than expected. They look mostly finished based on what the new leaks have to offer.

I have no doubt that Ryu and Roy will be released alongside Lucas tomorrow. Lucas stuff is being leaked too (trophies and what not). Also, the banner for tomorrow's livestream on the official Smash Bros site changed.

For those of you who don't know how the leak got out, Nintendo momentarily uploaded the patch for tomorrow in Japan, with the only thing missing from it being a Wii U installation executable. However, some tech savvy guys who keep an eye on this stuff spotted it, and due to how Nintendo's server infrastructure is set up, it was easy to download the contents. While the person who has it can't play the update, they can mine it for models and stuff.

Speaking of which, Classic/All-Star clear images: