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I've never played it but I was thinking about getting it, I see it cheap now,
So is it any good?

You should play the other two FFXIII games first if you haven't already, but if you have and you enjoyed them, then yes. LR has the best gameplay and it also has the first open world in an FF RPG, and the biggest FF world in general so far. There's tons to do and the gameplay is tight.

It's good imo, but you won't understand it if you never played FFXIII/XIII-2

I've never played final fantasy but I heard this ones is alright,
So since I won't understand it I might not get it

the ffxiii trilogy are mediocre games

the first one did have good graphics though

but that was about it

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I've never played final fantasy but I heard this ones is alright,
So since I won't understand it I might not get it

Try and get XIII and XIII-2. Pretty cheap at Gamestop used.

Nz doesn't have GameStop, we have eb games and there's only lightning returns, new and used, used is cheaper though

Don't listen to zer0dch, he is a FFXIII hater. LR is good but please try and get XIII and XIII-2 first, because without them you won't understand the story and characters.

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Don't listen to zer0dch, he is a FFXIII hater. LR is good but please try and get XIII and XIII-2 first, because without them you won't understand the story and characters.

Lmao.

The games are fundamentally flawed compared to the previous FF games. Its filled with one dimensional writing, bad combat, and an over convoluted plot that doesn't make any sense.

They're also the most linear in the series (yes, xiii with the exception of xiii-2) and have some of the worst mission structure and side quest lines in any FF to date.

There was good reason why there was a lot of criticism and back lash at these games,/and a lot of it whenever a sequel was announced.

OP, save your money and play a real good FF. XIII will taint your taste.

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They're also the most linear in the series

I mean I like both but it really bugs me when people pan FFXIII for being linear, yet praise FFX and it was even more linear.

And at least with FFXIII, it opened up dramatically half way through, and even when it WAS linear, each area had it's own unique gimmick (Weather control to influence what monsters would appear in Sunleth Waterscape, for example), and it did a really good job of hiding the hallways with the beautiful visuals.

FFX was literally just a series of straight line dungeons and towns. It was a series of levels that you went through, and then when you get near the end of the game, you unlock a level select and can revisit these levels and play a handful of extra ones.

FFXIII-2 also used a level select system like this, but at least each level was a well designed open area with a well built world to it, as opposed to a bunch of linear dungeons.

And before it's brought up, the Calm Lands do not count as an "open area":



That is just about the entirety of the Calm Lands. There isn't a lot to do in it and it isn't really that big, it's just an intersecting point that serves as a place to grind. It's a just a flat piece of grass with a shop and an arena thing.

The Archylte Steppe in FFXIII however, is quite large and has a lot of depth to it's topology. It also feels very alive with all of the monsters running around, and it isn't even the only area on Gran Pulse. It also has dynamic weather and everything.

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Don't listen to zer0dch, he is a FFXIII hater. LR is good but please try and get XIII and XIII-2 first, because without them you won't understand the story and characters.

Lmao.

The games are fundamentally flawed compared to the previous FF games. Its filled with one dimensional writing, bad combat, and an over convoluted plot that doesn't make any sense.

They're also the most linear in the series (yes, xiii with the exception of xiii-2) and have some of the worst mission structure and side quest lines in any FF to date.

There was good reason why there was a lot of criticism and back lash at these games,/and a lot of it whenever a sequel was announced.

OP, save your money and play a real good FF. XIII will taint your taste.

Yeah yeah Troll. We know your opinion about FFXIII.
Please do us a favor and don't write more BS about XIII in a XIII thread.
Make your own FFVII thread.

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Don't listen to zer0dch, he is a FFXIII hater. LR is good but please try and get XIII and XIII-2 first, because without them you won't understand the story and characters.

Lmao.

The games are fundamentally flawed compared to the previous FF games. Its filled with one dimensional writing, bad combat, and an over convoluted plot that doesn't make any sense.

They're also the most linear in the series (yes, xiii with the exception of xiii-2) and have some of the worst mission structure and side quest lines in any FF to date.

There was good reason why there was a lot of criticism and back lash at these games,/and a lot of it whenever a sequel was announced.

OP, save your money and play a real good FF. XIII will taint your taste.

Yeah yeah Troll. We know your opinion about FFXIII.
Please do us a favor and don't write more BS about XIII in a XIII thread.
Make your own FFVII thread.

Dude, chill.

And people are allowed to give their opinion on the game. If its a bad opinion, justify it. That's what I did. Don't like it? Well, ignore it.

@Sonic: Nearly forgot about FFX. At least its better than the XIII games.

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XSparxX, not to sound rude, but it seems that Zer0 has a justified reason for not liking the games.

Now I know that he's being sort of a jerk about it, but that doesn't mean that you need to go and call him a 'hater' or other such things.

If what he says really bothers you that much, just ignore him.

I personally played a little bit of XIII myself and I thought it was alright. I still prefer some of the older games, but I can see why some people like the game.

At the same time however, I can also see why some people don't like the game.

The game does have a lot of flaws, but that's okay because no game is 'perfect', but some people do have legitimate, justified reasons for disliking the games, just as you have legitimate, justified reasons for liking them.

Let's not turn this into a "FF[insert number here] is better than FFXIII!!!" war because it's honestly quite annoying from both sides of the argument.

If you don't like the game, good for you. If you do like the game, good for you too.

People can like whatever they want so long as they aren't hurting anyone, so let's not drag this on any further, please?

Thank you.

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Also, can we agree that VII was overrated as all hell? It's a great game, don't get me wrong, but it pales in comparison to V and VI and people overhype the game sooo much.

Oh, and did I mention that you basically play as a lego? Yeah...

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Now, to the OP, I would suggest seeing if you can find a place to rent a copy of the first game (XIII) for cheap and play it a bit to see if you like it enough and if you want to purchase the game yourself.

I'll agree to none of that. I like XIII and spent 4 years of my life defending the game but XIII-2 took notions of where to go from XIII's ending and did the opposite with generic anime protagonists and aimless plot. Lightning Returns feels like a greater insult by making Lightning into what she shouldn't be and the plot about trying to make Lightning "happy" meant wearing dumb clothes, saying awful monologues and killing god. All of that is bad but the timer is was broke the camel's hump.

There is no word on the PC version yet but I bet it'll come as a remaster on PS4 and Xbox One as well. If so, I'll buy it if you CAN turn off the timer.

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XSparxX, not to sound rude, but it seems that Zer0 has a justified reason for not liking the games.

Now I know that he's being sort of a jerk about it, but that doesn't mean that you need to go and call him a 'hater' or other such things.

If what he says really bothers you that much, just ignore him.

I personally played a little bit of XIII myself and I thought it was alright. I still prefer some of the older games, but I can see why some people like the game.

At the same time however, I can also see why some people don't like the game.

The game does have a lot of flaws, but that's okay because no game is 'perfect', but some people do have legitimate, justified reasons for disliking the games, just as you have legitimate, justified reasons for liking them.

Let's not turn this into a "FF[insert number here] is better than FFXIII!!!" war because it's honestly quite annoying from both sides of the argument.

If you don't like the game, good for you. If you do like the game, good for you too.

People can like whatever they want so long as they aren't hurting anyone, so let's not drag this on any further, please?

Thank you.

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Also, can we agree that VII was overrated as all hell? It's a great game, don't get me wrong, but it pales in comparison to V and VI and people overhype the game sooo much.

Oh, and did I mention that you basically play as a lego? Yeah...

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Now, to the OP, I would suggest seeing if you can find a place to rent a copy of the first game (XIII) for cheap and play it a bit to see if you like it enough and if you want to purchase the game yourself.

Yes you are right, soory But it looks like he tried every chance to hate FFXIII .. It's a little bit annoying. :/

I agree with your whole text.

VII IS overrated and good FF's like IX are totally underrated because of their art style. :/

V and VI are great but I like IV a little bit more.

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Yes you are right, sorry But it looks like he tried every chance to hate FFXIII .. It's a little bit annoying. :/

I agree with your whole text.

VII IS overrated and good FF's like IX are totally underrated because of their art style. :/

V and VI are great but I like IV a little bit more.

It's perfectly alright, I was getting a bit annoyed by it myself too.

Holy **** I love IX.

IV's pretty damn good too, not gonna lie.

Yes! I love it too! IX is awesome!!! Specially Vivi, one of the best FF chars ever. :3

But back to Topic: All of the XIII games are different from each other in terms of gameplay. I like XIII-2 and Lightning Returns a lot more as XIII, XIII is still good but the weakest of the three imo.

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They're also the most linear in the series

I mean I like both but it really bugs me when people pan FFXIII for being linear, yet praise FFX and it was even more linear.

And at least with FFXIII, it opened up dramatically half way through, and even when it WAS linear, each area had it's own unique gimmick (Weather control to influence what monsters would appear in Sunleth Waterscape, for example), and it did a really good job of hiding the hallways with the beautiful visuals.

FFX was literally just a series of straight line dungeons and towns. It was a series of levels that you went through, and then when you get near the end of the game, you unlock a level select and can revisit these levels and play a handful of extra ones.

PLEASE DON'T GET ME STARTED ON FFX. I HATED FFX. I CAN'T GO BACK TO IT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT GAMEPLAY. I do love the graphics it at the time of it's release, and especially on the PS3/PS4 HD Remake, but Jesus Christ, what disappointed me is the whole "no traditional leveling up" and adding the sphere grid. The Sphere Grid was complete utter bull**** in my honest opinion. The thing is way too ****ing difficult to navigate, and when I try to place a sphere, I NEVER ****ING CAN. I CAN'T DO **** ON IT. I TRIED PLAYING AS MUCH AS I CAN, BUT HOLY **** THIS GAME REALLY PISSED ME OFF.

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They're also the most linear in the series

I mean I like both but it really bugs me when people pan FFXIII for being linear, yet praise FFX and it was even more linear.

And at least with FFXIII, it opened up dramatically half way through, and even when it WAS linear, each area had it's own unique gimmick (Weather control to influence what monsters would appear in Sunleth Waterscape, for example), and it did a really good job of hiding the hallways with the beautiful visuals.

FFX was literally just a series of straight line dungeons and towns. It was a series of levels that you went through, and then when you get near the end of the game, you unlock a level select and can revisit these levels and play a handful of extra ones.

PLEASE DON'T GET ME STARTED ON FFX. I HATED FFX. I CAN'T GO BACK TO IT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT GAMEPLAY. I do love the graphics it at the time of it's release, and especially on the PS3/PS4 HD Remake, but Jesus Christ, what disappointed me is the whole "no traditional leveling up" and adding the sphere grid. The Sphere Grid was complete utter bull**** in my honest opinion. The thing is way too ****ing difficult to navigate, and when I try to place a sphere, I NEVER ****ING CAN. I CAN'T DO **** ON IT. I TRIED PLAYING AS MUCH AS I CAN, BUT HOLY **** THIS GAME REALLY PISSED ME OFF.

Omg D: True! And don't forget Tidus and Wakka ... Worst characters ever. " But I like FFX because of Spira, Yuna, Rikku, Auron, Lulu and the whole atmosphere in Spira.
FFX-2 is better in terms of gameplay .. But the story is worse x_x and Yuna ... Poor, poor Yuna ... She was like a Bi*** in X-2 ... Okay novel and drama Yuna is more a Bi*** as X-2 Yuna.

I was mainly annoyed by X because I hated Tidus lmao. In fact I don't think that game had any characters that struck me as memorable.

That was one of the main reasons why I liked Vii, because a lot of my favourite FF characters are from that game. Tifa and Zack are a couple of my favourite FF characters. Especially Zack. And I do admit that when I think of Final Fantasy, Vii comes into mind.

I don't like FFVII all that much but I adore Crisis Core and Zack is easily one of the best FF protagonists there is, if not one of the best JRPG protagonists period.

^ Zack is friking amazing. Easily my favourite FF character (a reason why I like the VII series). I would like to see how Noctis and Stella (I refuse to admit that she got replaced until I see a confirmation) turn out in FFXV though, since they look like they could be favourites of mine. I do wish they stuck to Noctis's old design though. Also I'm one of those people who want a VII remake on the PS4 lol.

Also Sephiroth is a great villain and one of my favourite FF villains. Which is another reason why I like VII.

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I mean I like both but it really bugs me when people pan FFXIII for being linear, yet praise FFX and it was even more linear.

And at least with FFXIII, it opened up dramatically half way through, and even when it WAS linear, each area had it's own unique gimmick (Weather control to influence what monsters would appear in Sunleth Waterscape, for example), and it did a really good job of hiding the hallways with the beautiful visuals.

FFX was literally just a series of straight line dungeons and towns. It was a series of levels that you went through, and then when you get near the end of the game, you unlock a level select and can revisit these levels and play a handful of extra ones.

PLEASE DON'T GET ME STARTED ON FFX. I HATED FFX. I CAN'T GO BACK TO IT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT GAMEPLAY. I do love the graphics it at the time of it's release, and especially on the PS3/PS4 HD Remake, but Jesus Christ, what disappointed me is the whole "no traditional leveling up" and adding the sphere grid. The Sphere Grid was complete utter bull**** in my honest opinion. The thing is way too ****ing difficult to navigate, and when I try to place a sphere, I NEVER ****ING CAN. I CAN'T DO **** ON IT. I TRIED PLAYING AS MUCH AS I CAN, BUT HOLY **** THIS GAME REALLY PISSED ME OFF.

Omg D: True! And don't forget Tidus and Wakka ... Worst characters ever. " But I like FFX because of Spira, Yuna, Rikku, Auron, Lulu and the whole atmosphere in Spira.
FFX-2 is better in terms of gameplay .. But the story is worse x_x and Yuna ... Poor, poor Yuna ... She was like a Bi*** in X-2 ... Okay novel and drama Yuna is more a Bi*** as X-2 Yuna.

I hated Wakka. Tidus was tolerable but I ****ing hate Wakka.

I got lightning returns today, hope its good

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I got lightning returns today, hope its good

You might as well read a summary of XIII and XIII-2.

^or watch a movie version of both games

Everyones FFVersus design was better as their XV counterparts ... specially Prompto ...

my favourite ff villain is Caius Ballad, gosh he is awesome. I love XIII-2, the ending of this game was great.

lololol ffxiii sucked balls

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muh hallways

but it opens up only 20 hours into the game its not a hallway!!!!!!!!!!

FfXIII came out when I was a freshman year of high school.

At least that was a good year. The game taints my mind.

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muh hallways

but it opens up only 20 hours into the game its not a hallway!!!!!!!!!!

ffx is extremely linear yet no one gives a ****

And FFX NEVER opens up. Literally gives you a level select near the end, like it's a run of the mill action game or something.

Holy **** guys, FFX is less linear than FFXIII. It also has content.

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Holy **** guys, FFX is less linear than FFXIII. It also has content.

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Holy **** guys, FFX is less linear than FFXIII. It also has content.

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I'm going to assume that you didn't play FFXIII, because the leveling system in that is literally sphere grid 2.0 and it still sucked as much ass as it did in FFX.

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Holy **** guys, FFX is less linear than FFXIII. It also has content.

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The towns were totally small, not worth talking about compared to FF I - FF IX.

Towns in XIII were dungeons because of the storyline. They were persecuted by the government, everyone wanted them dead. it is only logical that you can't walk comfortably in towns.

XIII has NPC's too, Nautilus, Bodhum in the playable Snow flashback, Palumpolum ect.
A screenshot from Nautilus with a lot of NPC's http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net...s/c/c0/Naut.jpg
You can't really interact with them like in XIII-2 and Lightning Returns, but you didn't write NPC's interacting, only NPC's.

Shops were also in XIII, okay not classic shops like other Rpg's, but shops are shops.

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I'm going to assume that you didn't play FFXIII, because the leveling system in that is literally sphere grid 2.0 and it still sucked as much ass as it did in FFX.

I actually did play FFXIII. Not too much of it, but about 3 hours of it. Up to the point where you're in this icy lake/land iirc.

lets just say that both games suck and be done with it :)

hopefully ffxv will be open as heck so that people will stop complaining about linear ****.

^No both games are good.

I have nothing against linear games, open world games are overhyped. I hope XV is not too much open world.

Linearity and good game are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Open world and bad game are not mutually exclusive concepts.

So...

I didn't enjoy FFXIII as much as my boyfriend did, but alot of the game play problems in FFXIII were fixed in FFXIII-2. I HIGHLY enjoy the second one and love the battle system. The story is no neccessarily bland but it is slightly predictable in places. However once you beat you can actually go back and change the outcomes of several events. (The game revolves around time travel as a whole.) I would've loved this game more but it leaves off with a good cliff hanger.

That cliff-hanger made me excited for FFXIII Lighting Returns. For me this game is very hard to follow. There is almost no direction and it does the same time mechanism Major'as Mask does but worse. You have to do side quests to earn "time" to go back in time. If you don't earn enough the world ends. I haven't been able to get far without heavily relying on the strategy guide.

Also one of my biggest pet peeves with the game was that all of the "emotion" was taken from the characters by a force (no spoilers). So Lightning and her side-kick in the game seem rather bland and it's hard to relate to them for a long time.

I'd play the first two, they are enjoyable GAMES. I'd watch the last one on youtube if you do decide to get invested.

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Linearity and good game are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Open world and bad game are not mutually exclusive concepts.

this.

but honestly i just want people to stop complaining about linear ff games, since a linear game doesn't automatically make a game bad, as proven by FFX since everyone seems to love that game.